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Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
245
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:31:00 -
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I do not appreciate ISD censoring my posts as I attempt to rebuke the OP and its line of logic. Please refrain from moderating my posts. |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
245
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:32:00 -
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As a strong CIS-gendered capsuleer I have a right to defend my way of life and my bodytype choice. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2009
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:32:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:
And no, the Jovians have never been, are not and most probably will not ever be Dolphins.....
They just haven't found the right plastic surgeon yet. Point Blank Alliance [DAKKA] is currently recruiting corporations to join in our lowsec piracy operations. For more information, please add the in game channel 'weflyrifters' or speak to a DAKKA member today. |

Fourteen Maken
State Protectorate Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:36:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:couldn't you fix this with a few lines of RP text in your bio?
Exactly my first thought; what would a transgender avatar look like anyway, because it's not like you can undress them to see if they have all the right bits and pieces, who's to say whats under there  |

Glowstix
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:42:00 -
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Fourteen Maken wrote:GreenSeed wrote:couldn't you fix this with a few lines of RP text in your bio? Exactly my first thought; what would a transgender avatar look like anyway, because it's not like you can undress them to see if they have all the right bits and pieces, who's to say whats under there 
What a shame CCP still won't touch Incarna features, otherwise we might be able to know the answers to such pressing questions.
Speaking of naked space barbies, bring back the transparent Gallente clothing. That was some space-age style. |

Black Apok
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
19
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:10:00 -
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Honestly I'd just like to change my gender. But if we're already thinking about implementing a system that people can change the gender of their characters why not go a step further and add this?
And thanks ISD Ezwal :p I already thought that something like this would attract trolls like flies. It's just not something that a lot of people think about or even want to think about. Doesn't mean that other people won't or don't.
Also El Space Mariachi gender nor sex are binary. There are a million resources, studies and books on that subject online. Educate yourself. I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |

Livonian
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:34:00 -
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Black Apok wrote:Honestly I'd just like to change my gender. But if we're already thinking about implementing a system that people can change the gender of their characters why not go a step further and add this?
And thanks ISD Ezwal :p I already thought that something like this would attract trolls like flies. It's just not something that a lot of people think about or even want to think about. Doesn't mean that other people won't or don't.
Also El Space Mariachi gender nor sex are binary. There are a million resources, studies and books on that subject online. Educate yourself.
While I respect your opinion, I don't see the relevance to gameplay. Mind shedding some light on it? |

Livonian
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:37:00 -
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Mr. ISD I am a trans-raced person irl. I don't see why you feel the need to delete my constructive posts. |

Black Apok
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
19
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:37:00 -
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Livonian wrote:
While I respect your opinion, I don't see the relevance to gameplay. Mind shedding some light on it?
There is no real effect in gameplay. But then again, why do we all have avatars? Why don't we all have generic pictures with smiley faces on them... It's about personalization and roleplaying in an MMORP I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |

Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
398
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:02:00 -
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Like somebody said, it's understandable that this is a big deal for some people. However, does this really add anything? It has no affect on anything ingame and doesn't really add new gameplay.
Then there's the question of resculpting because I would assume nobody wants a sex change without changing their physical appearance. So changing your characters gender would most likely be done through character resculpting which costs (RL) money. On the other hand, it probably wouldn't be too difficult to implement. Just buy character resculpt -> change gender and change appearance.
As for adding an option for a gender that's something other than male/female... Most people don't really even understand this concept and the risk of CCP getting it wrong is pretty noticeable. And once again we face the problem of no added gameplay.
So basically, a simple sex change should be easy enough to implement and doesn't really require CCP to do much. Takes very little time or resources so why not. Adding new gender options on the other hand is going to be a larger operation that's frankly not worth the money or the effort.
A LOT of us don't care about WiS or character customization anyway. This is a subcategory of those things so... you know. Let's not waste too much on that. |

Aversun
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
20
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:35:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:Only if I can make my character like my fursona Indeed. bring on the animal people!
So OriPo is after the ability to change the gender of his/her character post creation? (ORIgnal POster) |

Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
431
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:11:00 -
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I would vastly prefer if Social Justice bait was not forcefully injected into EVE, thanks. |

Ocean Pollen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:29:00 -
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Hi OP. The basic problem with your proposal is that it's relevant to basically nobody and so if added to the game would be used exclusively for 'humorous' purposes such as all of TEST agreeing to mix boobs and beards (which humorous purposes would themselves be complained about in support tickets created by earnest folk such as yourself, leading to greater GM load and drama and generally negative publicity for the game).
The basic problem with this thread is that the basic problem with your proposal, stated this simply, is a personal attack (I've marginalized you by suggesting that your interests actually are marginal) and also trolling ('cuz now you can reply by citing Kinsey research and we can have a great long discussion about gender that will go nowhere) and also discussion about forum moderation (see this parasentence itself) and also hatespeech and blah. The basic problem cannot even be cleverly stated in an indirect way, as with the appeals to otherkin -- as that would OBVIOUSLY be trolling.
Because the basic problem with your proposal cannot be stated and then discussed (actual possible rejoinder: "yeah, I'm aware that I'm an exceptional person, not like you breeder muggles, but we're talking about bizarre-world immortal capsuleers here. Wouldn't TEST's boobs-and-beards program actually entirely suit the lore of EVE, even if it's inappropriate to the lore of Earth, today?"), it can't be discussed effectively at all. Threads about your proposal will always be doomed, and the doomed threads will haunt your proposal, probably hurting its mindshare with CCP better than any of our actual sincere arguments against it could.
So if you'd actually like to see this gender slider in EVE someday, it's best not to discuss it here. Don't even link to discussion about it, because even your links will spawn doomed threads. Flesh out the discussion elsewhere and then tweet CCP or something. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
733
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Posted - 2013.12.04 08:02:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:I fully support this idea as long as I can be a dolphin Best answer. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
141
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Posted - 2013.12.04 08:12:00 -
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There's no good reason to say no on ethical grounds, the problem is always going to be developer effort and the gains for that effort (high effort, low gains), so short of a public outcry for such a feature or CCP risking a backlash from fans over 'wasting their time to cater to niche minorities and equality' (there'll always be some), it's unlikely you'll get something so avant garde.
I'd love to get rid of the gender-oriented clothing and allow everyone to wear all the different shirts, coats, etc. Also, some characters I've seen are already are fairly androgynous, so at least some stop-gap exists. |

Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bright Side of Death
125
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Posted - 2013.12.04 10:00:00 -
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As further development of though:
why i cant select religion of charecter? And also i can select how strong religion in he. Add quadrangle with labels Islam/Christianity/buddhism/Judaism about its vertices, and via red dot i can select % religiosity in each religion and absolute value via slider near quadrangle. -Ñ-Ñ-Ñ > -+-+-¦ -¦-¦-¦-¦ -¦-+-+-î-ê-¦ -¦-+-¦-¦-+ -+-+-+-Ç-¦-¦-+-+-¦-ü-î -¦-+-¦-¦-+-¦-¦-Ç-Å -+-Ç-+-ü-é-+-é-¦, -+-+-¦-+-+ -+-¦-é-î-¦-â -+-¦ 4-+-¦-+ -+-+ -ü-¦-+-+-à -¦-+-î-é-+-¦ -ü-+-¦-Ç-¦-é-î -+ -ü-+-é-¦-+ -¦-¦-+-+-Ç-+-ï-à -ü-¦-+-+-+-¦ -+-¦-é |

Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
194
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:14:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote: And no, the Jovians have never been, are not and most probably will not ever be Dolphins.....
 I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
740
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:15:00 -
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If we're talking about dolphins, can we also include sharks with freakin' lasers? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Black Apok
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
20
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:25:00 -
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Vizvig wrote:As further development of though:
why i cant select religion of charecter? And also i can select how strong religion in he. Add quadrangle with labels Islam/Christianity/buddhism/Judaism about its vertices, and via red dot i can select % religiosity in each religion and absolute value via slider near quadrangle.
Not sure if serious or trying to mock the idea..... I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |

FightingMoose
Norse'Storm Battle Group
18
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:23:00 -
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My only concern with regards to this feature would be abuse by some of the more transphobic members of the community. Just thinking how a feature like this could be abused by some of the less-mature groups in EVE makes me have concerns for it. That having been said, I don't see a reason dev time can't be allocated to at least allow a gender change during character resculpt, which seems like it would be helpful. (Also would let me change that stupid "HAWT" female alt I made when I was 18). Proud owner of an Ibis. |

Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
194
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:43:00 -
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Just put a rainbow flag in your bio? |

Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
82
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:50:00 -
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Oh, boy, it's THIS thread again.
Look, I'm transgendered myself, but this is a game in space we're talking about. You can make very masculine female avatars (although feminizing the male avatar is rather hard) very easily. Since you can't see your characters' genitalia anywhere I doubt transsexualism would be implementable in any reasonable matter either.
Lore wise, odds are they can probably pump your pod-clone-fetus so full of hormones you can choose your biological sexual characteristics upon becoming a capsuleer. I really don't know what kind of super special snowflake transformation you could want on top of that... |

Zi'el Aubaris
Origin. Black Legion.
0
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:31:00 -
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Aglais wrote:I would vastly prefer if Social Justice bait was not forcefully injected into EVE, thanks.
This. Just remember for every 100 social justice warriors there are thousands of people who literally don't give a **** or explicitly disagree with the entire concept. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
752
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:39:00 -
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Zi'el Aubaris wrote:Just remember for every 100 social justice warriors there are thousands of people who literally don't give a **** or explicitly disagree with the entire concept. I don't give a ****, and I endorse this post. To be honest, I'd rather have a picture of my ship as my avatar anyway. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Nag'o
Cuisinart Inc. Insidious Empire
34
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:34:00 -
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Wait, how is sex not binary. I mean, sure you can do whatever you want with your sexuality. Nonetheless I'm not aware about this third human genotype. Unless you're saying the difference between a man body from a woman's body is merely a difference of degree in organs development. That is a biology subject I am sure everyone can be more educated about. Please explain. Brain hackz0r. Execute schizophrenia virus. Hyper-phishing activated. Downloading reality. |

Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
859
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:36:00 -
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Zi'el Aubaris wrote:Aglais wrote:I would vastly prefer if Social Justice bait was not forcefully injected into EVE, thanks. This. Just remember for every 100 social justice warriors there are thousands of people who literally don't give a **** or explicitly disagree with the entire concept.
While you're at it, remember that CCP Seagull is one of those "social justice warriors"--which is, despite your best efforts, actually a flattering description. Instead of just being people who'd like some extra customization in the (already mostly redundant) character creator which is 100% in line with in-game lore: People in New Eden, most notably the Gallente, have been mucking around with their DNA for a very long time now, with the result that all Gallente are more or less trangendered.
But then, there are people who don't care about the lore. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |

Seranova Farreach
Lion Squadron
478
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:27:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Just a little reminder to keep it civil people. Keep RL out of this discussion as much as possible. As said by another poster, this is a SF game. In New Eden tampering with DNA is trivial, although in the past some parts of humanity have gone a bit to far.....  Edit: I also deleted an of topic post. ISD Ezwal.
it wouldnt be hard. just have a different clone probably not even your own body, just has to be a "fresh" clone set to receive your own neurological data. no dna tampering at all. |

Seranova Farreach
Lion Squadron
478
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:29:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Zi'el Aubaris wrote:Aglais wrote:I would vastly prefer if Social Justice bait was not forcefully injected into EVE, thanks. This. Just remember for every 100 social justice warriors there are thousands of people who literally don't give a **** or explicitly disagree with the entire concept. While you're at it, remember that CCP Seagull is one of those "social justice warriors"--which is, despite your best efforts, actually a flattering description. Instead of just being people who'd like some extra customization in the (already mostly redundant) character creator which is 100% in line with in-game lore, they are Fearless Warriors for Great Justice! People in New Eden, most notably the Gallente, have been mucking around with their DNA for a very long time now, with the result that all Gallente are more or less trangendered. But then, there are people who don't care about the lore.
thats also because they are of liberal and french |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
604
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:35:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Zi'el Aubaris wrote:Aglais wrote:I would vastly prefer if Social Justice bait was not forcefully injected into EVE, thanks. This. Just remember for every 100 social justice warriors there are thousands of people who literally don't give a **** or explicitly disagree with the entire concept. While you're at it, remember that CCP Seagull is one of those "social justice warriors"--which is, despite your best efforts, actually a flattering description. Instead of just being people who'd like some extra customization in the (already mostly redundant) character creator which is 100% in line with in-game lore, they are Fearless Warriors for Great Justice! People in New Eden, most notably the Gallente, have been mucking around with their DNA for a very long time now, with the result that all Gallente are more or less trangendered. But then, there are people who don't care about the lore.
All well and good, but the Amarr would certainly have an issue with this given their history of social repression and most likely this would not be a popular option in the Minmatar regions due to the cross cultural contamination of their former Amarr masters.
Personally I think that whilst some people would love to change genders (if only for a day) if the technology were available as human beings we have an inbuilt desire to see the male or female form as attractive or unattractive as per our sexuality, hence most men would like to date women and most women would like to date men. Gay men want to date other gay men and gay women want to date other gay women. The central focus of this is that we're all attracted to a gender. It's for this reason of sexual competitiveness that I doubt that in the future there will ever be a time when male/female bodies are not the norm and whilst some people may choose to be somewhere in between male or female this would be a sociological niche and not the norm as it's a rare person who is attracted to people between genders.
It's like asking a gay man to be attracted to a male transvestite who is so convincingly a woman to the outside world that no one can tell the difference, it just wouldn't be attractive to him as he would of course like men that demonstrate they are masculine. Likewise most straight man probably wouldn't want to date a woman that has chosen to grow a *****. Again some men might be happy with it, but it probably wouldn't be mainstream. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Black Apok
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
21
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Posted - 2013.12.05 13:43:00 -
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Nag'o wrote:Wait, how is sex not binary. I mean, sure you can do whatever you want with your sexuality. Nonetheless I'm not aware about this third human genotype. Unless you're saying the difference between a man body from a woman's body is merely a difference of degree in organs development. That is a biology subject I am sure everyone can be more educated about. Please explain.
EDIT: Please don't link anything, just give a small brief from your own pov. I'm not that interested. It's just that you can't simply throw a concept like that in a game forum and expect people to dig through it.
"BLA BLA BLA YOU MAKE NO SENSE BLA BLA BLA.
Edit. But don't explain it to me, I DONT CARE, I WANT TO STAY IGNORANT BLA BLA BLA"v
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
Bottom line: XX and XY aren't the two only chromosomal variations that there are and that can survive and are perfectly viable. And only because you have certain chromosomes doesn't mean that the body will grow up along those lines.
(Mod please forgive me for RL reference. I'm trying to make a point here) I was born with XX chromosomes, yet with male genetalia. Fact is: It's not binary. Sex might not be as fluently spectral as gender but there are plenty of options in between. I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
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