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Treher	Posted - 2006.03.03 02:56:00 - [1] Out of ignorance I thought that I would go for AFs as my first post frigate ship. However, I'm finding that it is impossible to use my 200mms on Angel vipers (inties) because they orbit at 9K and web. This is taking place in deadspace, so no MWD. Missions are awfully boring with 280s on my wolf. Is it time to give up? I have Trajectory Analysis IV Sharpshooter IV Assault Frig IV and I'm using Barrage S and Tracking enhancer II I'm not going to train any more fives just to hit an inty. ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.
Foulis	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:00:00 - [2] Edited by: Foulis on 03/03/2006 03:01:28 Web 'em back. If that fails... use arties ---- I <3 Taranis Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Treher	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:04:00 - [3] Yeah, the webbing back slows them down, but with their MWD, they are still going 400 and I'm going 100m/s. Arties work just fine, it's just that they are labourous to use and really take the fun out of flying the wolf. I might as well by in a sniper ship if that's the case. ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Treher Yeah, the webbing back slows them down, but with their MWD, they are still going 400 and I'm going 100m/s. Wait till they turn off their MWD before you web em. Then they'll drop down to ~20m/s or so. Same tactic goes for Spider Drones and any other inty you encounter. Anyhow, you should be hitting those Vipers around 60% of the time given your skills so perhaps you might want to add a gyrostab or two if your DPS isn't high enough. The tracking enhancer btw isn't helping you at all.
Treher	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:11:00 - [5] Thanks, I had the tracking enhancer for the 15% range bonus as my total range is 8500 with proton S or 75 with Barrage S. So, for NPCs, once the MWD is off they don't turn it back on? And this is definitely possible and won't take too long? ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Treher Thanks, I had the tracking enhancer for the 15% range bonus as my total range is 8500 with proton S or 75 with Barrage S. Tracking enhancer doesn't affect falloff so it's useless. Your total range with barrage S should be 1.44km optimal + 8.64km falloff with your skills you listed. Dunno why you are seeing lower numbers. Quote: So, for NPCs, once the MWD is off they don't turn it back on? And this is definitely possible and won't take too long? Never have resumed MWD against me over countless missions. After they orbit you for a few seconds, they'll turn off the MWD and settle into orbit speed.
Treher	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:19:00 - [7] Well, I was using quickfit because my wolf is currently many systems away while I'm doing some couriers during patch day. I don't recall my numbers being that high, but I'll have to see what they say over the weekend. Thanks for the responses. ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.
Treher	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:34:00 - [8] Is there a thread somewhere on how range is calculated? ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.
Treher	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:47:00 - [9] Trajectory Analysis (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [40xBarrage S].falloff : 4000.0 m => 4800.0 m Sharpshooter (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [40xBarrage S].maxRange : 1200.0 m => 1440.0 m Assault Ships (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [40xBarrage S].maxRange : 1440.0 m => 2016.0 m Assault Ships (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [40xBarrage S].falloff : 4800.0 m => 5760.0 m Trajectory Analysis (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [66xProton S].falloff : 4000.0 m => 4800.0 m 042 - Sharpshooter (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [66xProton S].maxRange : 1200.0 m => 1440.0 m 048 - Assault Ships (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [66xProton S].maxRange : 1440.0 m => 2016.0 m 049 - Assault Ships (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [66xProton S].falloff : 4800.0 m => 5760.0 m That is from QuickFit. If I weren't in my mammoth now, I'd have some actual numbers. ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.
Dhemos	Posted - 2006.03.03 04:43:00 - [10] I positively hate those vipers. They heal so dadgum fast.
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.03.03 05:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Treher Trajectory Analysis (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [40xBarrage S].falloff : 4000.0 m => 4800.0 m Sharpshooter (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [40xBarrage S].maxRange : 1200.0 m => 1440.0 m Assault Ships (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [40xBarrage S].maxRange : 1440.0 m => 2016.0 m Assault Ships (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [40xBarrage S].falloff : 4800.0 m => 5760.0 m Trajectory Analysis (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [66xProton S].falloff : 4000.0 m => 4800.0 m 042 - Sharpshooter (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [66xProton S].maxRange : 1200.0 m => 1440.0 m 048 - Assault Ships (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [66xProton S].maxRange : 1440.0 m => 2016.0 m 049 - Assault Ships (lvl 4) -> [ 4 \| 7] 200mm AutoCannon II [66xProton S].falloff : 4800.0 m => 5760.0 m That is from QuickFit. If I weren't in my mammoth now, I'd have some actual numbers. Quickfit isn't making the calculations correctly Base Optimal = 1.2 * 1.2(Sharpshooter 4) * 1.4(Assault Ship 4) = 2.016km (I goofed earlier and forgot AS bonus) Base Falloff = 4 * 1.2(Traj Analy 4) * 1.2(Assault Ship 4) = 5.76km Optimal with Proton = 2.016 * 1.2(Proton modifier) = 2.4192km Falloff with Proton = 5.76km (ammo mod doesn't affect fallof here) Optimal with Barrage S = 2.016 * 1(Barrage mod) = 2.016km Falloff with Barrage S = 5.76 * 1.5(Barrage mod) = 8.64km
Treher	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:38:00 - [12] Thanks Toaster Oven ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.

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