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Mystice	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Mystice on 03/03/2006 18:07:50 Every patch the crystal set is more and more useless when will this end?With this patch(hidden nerv?!) the efficience is down to 26% with all +3 crystal + omega this is no more worth 3 bil.if i know that before...
Rexy	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:10:00 - [2] the ridiculous price could've been an indicator of how overpowered something is and how likely it's to be nerfed
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:13:00 - [3] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/03/2006 18:15:58 If it's true, even though the set was overpowered, it's still completely and utterly ridiculous that nothing was said about it in the Patchnotes. /me goes off to find the post by Kieron regarding similar naughtyness with other patches. /Elve
Mystice	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:13:00 - [4] i know my problem is this was a hidden nerv and why they start with very high boni and drop them than down...why not reverse????
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:14:00 - [5] this should be a bug as there is NOTHING in the patch notes about it ______________________________________________ Hurrah I'm Unbanned \o/
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/03/2006 18:15:58 If it's true, even though the set was overpowered, it's still completely and utterly ridiculous that nothing was said about it in the Patchnotes. /me goes off to find the post by Kieron regarding similar naughtyness with other patches. Prewarning players of big value changes prior to the change causes market chaos. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/03/2006 18:15:58 If it's true, even though the set was overpowered, it's still completely and utterly ridiculous that nothing was said about it in the Patchnotes. /me goes off to find the post by Kieron regarding similar naughtyness with other patches. Prewarning players of big value changes prior to the change causes market chaos. that's when things increase in value/desirability. ______________________________________________ Hurrah I'm Unbanned \o/
Montero	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:39:00 - [8] Edited by: Montero on 03/03/2006 18:39:24 nerf now leave my sig alone damn ISD
Farjung	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Mystice Edited by: Mystice on 03/03/2006 18:07:50 Every patch the crystal set is more and more useless when will this end?With this patch(hidden nerv?!) the efficience is down to 26% with all +3 crystal + omega this is no more worth 3 bil.if i know that before... Um, are you sure? Friend with gist x-type xlarge booster + gist x-type shield boost amp + full crystal set gets 1,477 hp per boost since the patch, same as before. 672 * 1.43125 * 1.5363 = 1,477 hp, seems fine.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:46:00 - [10] Crystal Implant stats havent changed so if your set aint working the bug is elsewhere. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/03/2006 18:15:58 If it's true, even though the set was overpowered, it's still completely and utterly ridiculous that nothing was said about it in the Patchnotes. /me goes off to find the post by Kieron regarding similar naughtyness with other patches. Prewarning players of big value changes prior to the change causes market chaos. Who gives a toss? Every change causes the market to fluctuate, its not been a problem in the last 3 years, it shouldnt be now. /Elve
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Sarmaul that's when things increase in value/desirability. Not specifically. Impending increases cause hoarding. Impending decreases cause a kind of "hot potato" effect where everyone wants rid of them as fast as possible. In both cases, I'd say the market goes into chaos. If the changes are made to the game without warning, at least everyone can see that the stats are lower at the same time. If they warned about it in the patch notes, the few people that actually read them would have an advantage where they could sell the item for full cost to someone who didn't know the stats were about to drop. It's almost a scam as the seller is lying by omission of that important fact. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Sarmaul that's when things increase in value/desirability. Not specifically. Impending increases cause hoarding. Impending decreases cause a kind of "hot potato" effect where everyone wants rid of them as fast as possible. In both cases, I'd say the market goes into chaos. If the changes are made to the game without warning, at least everyone can see that the stats are lower at the same time. If they warned about it in the patch notes, the few people that actually read them would have an advantage where they could sell the item for full cost to someone who didn't know the stats were about to drop. It's almost a scam as the seller is lying by omission of that important fact. Who doesnt read patchnotes? I mean, you really have to try to miss them. :\| /Elve
Farjung	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Sarmaul that's when things increase in value/desirability. Not specifically. Impending increases cause hoarding. Impending decreases cause a kind of "hot potato" effect where everyone wants rid of them as fast as possible. In both cases, I'd say the market goes into chaos. If the changes are made to the game without warning, at least everyone can see that the stats are lower at the same time. If they warned about it in the patch notes, the few people that actually read them would have an advantage where they could sell the item for full cost to someone who didn't know the stats were about to drop. It's almost a scam as the seller is lying by omission of that important fact. Heh, I wonder if the OP is currently trying to purchase a set of crystals and is scare-mongering to generate some bargains? ;p
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Farjung Heh, I wonder if the OP is currently trying to purchase a set of crystals and is scare-mongering to generate some bargains? ;p Heh, possibly. Sounds like it's a bug or something if he's telling the truth. AFAIK, the set is working perfectly but there was an issue where T2 implant bonuses were being applied to the non-T2 implants that affected the same attribute. Is there a T1 implant that affects shield boosting like the crystal does? Originally by: Elve Sorrow Who doesnt read patchnotes? I mean, you really have to try to miss them. :\| Oh, you'd be surprised how many people don't bother reading the things. People will always complain about changes in-game when they were all in the patch notes for weeks before the patch. I guess most forum-goers would read them, though. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:20:00 - [16] My guess is that this is someone using cap relays on his shield tank, and now when they've been de-bugged he's getting the results he should have had all the time. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Stratosfear	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/03/2006 18:15:58 If it's true, even though the set was overpowered, it's still completely and utterly ridiculous that nothing was said about it in the Patchnotes. /me goes off to find the post by Kieron regarding similar naughtyness with other patches. Prewarning players of big value changes prior to the change causes market chaos. Explain what do you mean by market chaos and why is that bad? I completely don't understand the problem.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.03.03 20:04:00 - [18] Crystal Set hasn't changed... it's still x1.536.. as it should be. ------
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.03 20:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Nyphur on 03/03/2006 20:08:03 Originally by: Stratosfear Explain what do you mean by market chaos and why is that bad? I completely don't understand the problem. I think I already explained that but basically I mean that if you let players know of coming changes to the value of things via a limited resource like the patch notes (limited because most people don't read them), you create a split in the market where some people know that a certain item is about to change in value and the rest of people don't. You get people ripping each other off left right and center and a lot of people get annoyed. It's really only important when it's an NPC item as supply is unlimited and it can crash trading markets or cause hoarding but it can be important for player-valued items like implants too. But in this case, it's not important. This is just a bug, nothing was apparantly changed. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.03.03 20:11:00 - [20] See: Sac price shooting up as soon as the bonus changes were announced in here.
Mystice	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:09:00 - [21] before the patch i had over 500 shieldboost with one large tobias mod. sb and one gist x amp now i have 484 sb.there is a change the amp and the sb have the same stats as pre patch!
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:21:00 - [22] Originally by: dalman My guess is that this is someone using cap relays on his shield tank, and now when they've been de-bugged he's getting the results he should have had all the time. My thoughts exactly
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/03/2006 18:15:58 If it's true, even though the set was overpowered, it's still completely and utterly ridiculous that nothing was said about it in the Patchnotes. /me goes off to find the post by Kieron regarding similar naughtyness with other patches. Prewarning players of big value changes prior to the change causes market chaos. Only when the item is abundant, cheap and/or NPC supplied. These are none of the above. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Farjung	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Mystice Edited by: Mystice on 03/03/2006 21:23:16 before the patch i had over 500 shieldboost with one large tobias mod. sb and one gist x amp now i have 484 sb.the amp and the sb have the same stats as pre patch! What's your full fitting? Any capacitor power relays? Have you tried fitting just the shield booster and nothing else to the ship to see what boost you get?
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Mystice Edited by: Mystice on 03/03/2006 21:23:16 before the patch i had over 500 shieldboost with one large tobias mod. sb and one gist x amp now i have 484 sb.the amp and the sb have the same stats as pre patch! What's your full fitting? Any capacitor power relays? Have you tried fitting just the shield booster and nothing else to the ship to see what boost you get? Yes, it is surely as I said, he has 2 cap relays fitted. According to my math: Tobias L booster + GistXamp + full crystal = 591 hp boost. Adding 2 cap relays it becomes 485. While before when the relays were bugged it became 509. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Mystice	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:43:00 - [26] yes 2 relays maybe this is the source
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Mystice yes 2 relays maybe this is the source lmao ______________________________________________ Please do not discuss actions taken by forum moderators, even in your sig. --Jorauk
Mystice	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:45:00 - [28] hidden nerv(was it in patch notes)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Mystice hidden nerv(was it in patch notes) it's not a nerf, it's the new stacking penalty. ______________________________________________ Please do not discuss actions taken by forum moderators, even in your sig. --Jorauk
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:56:00 - [30] On the other hand, I'm receiving less bonus for slave implants and an armor hp implant. Perhaps their synergy has been fiddled with.

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