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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:50:00 -
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Thanks Eternal Fury & Sable Schroedinger, Youve put it far more eloquently than I could have.
Yes Ive posted in both forums cause I want the idea out there. Bookmarks arent very realistic there hard to manage & their a pain in the ass. CCP obviously have trouble with BM's or they wouldnt lag the system out, take 10 minutes to copy a half dozen or be exploitable in creating lag. Ive no idea why so many people react so badly to the idea of a change.
Gate ganking tossers can still gate gank. All that changes is you dont need to handle hundreds of BMs & you dont get a free ride across the galaxy 0.0 becomes a place you have to frequent to travel safely in or you need to use a gang whos traveled their before.
BMs could still actually be used to visit new areas but would become a liability after frequent visits.
Additionally it benefits people who actually travel to places rather than BM leeching gimps.
 Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.11 13:20:00 -
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I meant every warp to point in that system becomes a 15km - visits in kms point.
Avon, this would make regular routes gank proof & new routes dangerous adventures.
I agree whole heartedley about the tracking & acquistion. long range fast acquistion is just ludicrous.
I also liked the the interdictor comments.
Kim Chee, I agree to an extent but skills reducing the warp distance would make every jump pinpoint accurate. This way only systems you were familiar with give you a benefit.
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:08:00 -
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Really DukDodgers they like copying 600 odd bookmarks do they ?, they like making their own BMs, Which can take 2 days for 50 jumps BTW.
I think your talking bulldoppings yourself.
How about you learn to read & save us all your tiresome trolling.
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.12 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: BrerLapin on 12/03/2006 13:39:11
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Eternal Fury
I think what a lot of you are missing is that you are seeing this as a grinding oportunity.
WHY THE HELL would you go around exploreing gates and stations just for auto bookmarks. Most of which you'll never use. The idea is if you spend time in that region, you'll get them automatically.
WHAT THE HELL am I doing in that region? I trade and I PvP. Both require instajumps. Without them, I am inefficient and get myself killed and vey low profits.
And it dosn't matter if *I* don't want to go somewhere, traderoutes take me all over the place, and people run in unpredictable ways. Without BM's, I can't work effectively against them.
YOU, as a Empire carebear, might follow fixed routes all the time, or stuck to a small cluster of systems. Your idea would only suit players like you, and is a common form of blindness - the inability to see others requirements in a MMO.
If you want to limit the bumber of BM's you can have loaded....then LIMIT them. A limit per shiptype, with overruns deactivating random BM's. Simple, efficient.
Eve is NOT a game for the Achiever Bartle type. It AVOIDS that sort of grind, and Exlorers and Killers, the vast majority of Eve travellers, will NOT grind, they'll leave.
BrerLapin, because a badly managed change could very easily kill off large sections of the Eve community.
Viceroy, and you'd stop snipers supreme how? Details plz.
Dukath, ? Tracking enhancers are lowslot T2 modules. They allready ARE different from Sensor Boosters.
Wow, wowwy wow wowser. Most ignorant post ever. So you want to be able to travel safely anywhere regardless of sec level & pirates gate ganks for maximum profit? Thats contrary to EVEs design philosophy that nowhere is safe.
'You as a empire carebear..' is particularly amusing, as a empire carebear he doesnt need bookmarks.
A poorly managed change would kill off a large portion of the playerbase. How exactly? Given that the changes will favour well used routes over never used routes. Given that Bookmarks will still function as previously just if you use em alot your distancing will mess up.
Reread Viceroys & Dukaths post.
Your advocating against Bms so strongly for something you dont seem to understand. Whats worse is your basically saying the devs should just let us warp to 1km settings. Im tempted to sit in Empire giving out free copies of the universes BM's to every passing noob.
zOMG thousand of players would leave. Good players who want the insta(forgive the pun) win, sooner were rid of those types the better. Id rather be left with players who plan & use intelligent thoughtful solutions to their travel problems. ADDITIONALLY if you actually try reading & comprehension, old players would start with an immediate advantage having been in many systems many many times.
You havent actually constructed a logical this idea wont work because... arguement.
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.12 17:50:00 -
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Sorry let me re-iterate for the slower members. Removal of Bookmarks completeley would make the game a nightmare & wholey unpleasureable to play.
In a sweeping gesture of generalziation anyone who wants Bms removed completely must live in .4 gateganking newbs because its screw trade routes & make fast raid unbearabley slow. Some people have lives never mind a freighter run would take minimum 8 hours. Its too nightmarish to consider.
Whilst anchoring bms to objects is a good idea it suffers from the TOO MANY OBJECTS ALREADY issue.
I dont really see where restriciting amount of BMs helps but it is a start.
Youve really got to get over this grind attitude you dont understand. You would have to grind youd just have to make the run 15 times whixch is NOTHING if its a route your going to be using.
Instas should be acquireable in a heartbeat they should be earned.
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:38:00 -
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Reiteration order of the day.
DONT REMOVE BM's CHANGE THE WAY WARPING WORKS IN RELATION TO BM's.
**** learn to read. Utilise a data entry in the game to create a lessened need for an existing system drag (BM's lag the servers thats why they take hours to copy & were used offensively) by making a well used route insta. This would remove the need for a bulk of BM used by most people.
Dont remove jump distance at all because its neccesary to catch slow boats. The 15km warp distance is too much your far too vulnerable for too long a time & freighters mean that itd take MONTHS to do a decent sized route.
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.14 12:35:00 -
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Three pages of BM issues
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.14 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Necronous
Does it? I mean, I've been in EVE for 2 months now, and the "systems I've visited" option has never displayed anything, all the stars just revert to a neutral blueish color. Up til now I just presumed it wasn't implemented yet or that its was one of the the several map display bugs that occur.
Try mousing over the systems youve been through & it should read the numbers. Small numbers dont show
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:18:00 -
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Actually my recent systems arent showing either but stuff from Jan 05 is
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:24:00 -
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Indeed Tzu, this is dramatics however this is a idea.
I havent seen a valid arguement against it apart from the map being bugged, wethere those data entries still exist & just arent being displayed.
I feel that unfamiliar space should be unfamiliar & familiar space should be your home ground. Not oh look I have 30 M I can blow on a BM set, Wheee lets insta round enemy space.
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: BrerLapin on 20/03/2006 12:29:29
Especially given that we are fast raiding in wolf packs around a area of space that only a fraction of the corp are familiar with.
CCp might as well make the warp to ... distance 2.5km
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.03.25 04:33:00 -
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Unfortunately thatd punish non-combat characters.
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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