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Brer2375
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Posted - 2006.03.04 15:40:00 -
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Bookmarks are a large bone of contention pretty much everyone hates em, they are being used for purposes they werent intended, they make travel a nightmare, they lag systems where theyre copied..... etc etc etc.
The subjects been discussed many many times calls for their removal by utterly moronic pirates & calls for all jumps to be 0m accurate. These are all bad ideas for various reasons. However through the nightmare of flaming & whining some genius (I truly wish i could remember the post) struck pure gold.
The server keeps a track of how many times you visit a system. Make the server drop you 1km closer to the gate/station/roid belt whatever each visit.
They dont have to change the interface. It will eliminate the need for 99.9% of BMs in people & places leaving people with only safespot BMs. Pirates can still live off slowboaters visiting the system for the first time. Deliberately 'teaching' yourself the BMs would require you to pass through the system 15 times. Itd be easier to BM it tbh :D. I cant see any downside.
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Saine
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Posted - 2006.03.04 15:54:00 -
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Interesting idea.
Does the server log a system visit, or jumpgate activation? It would make a difference. What about docking - do you enter a system whenever you undock from a station there? Pilots could just dock/undock and have spot-on jumps in 2 minutes.
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Ishen Villone
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Posted - 2006.03.04 16:09:00 -
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This would create many times the server load than just the bookmarks themselves...
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.03.04 17:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Ishen Villone
This would create many times the server load than just the bookmarks themselves...
How? The serve already keeps track of all the systems you've ever visited....it's a dispay option in the map.
And I like the idea, but it should be done on a visits to location basis, not system. ie go to gate x 15 times and you have it logged, not go to system x and get every gate/station.
Some people have thousands of bookmarks bought in sets, most of which they will never use. I think a majority of people only live and operate within about 15-20 jumps of their chosen home, and so it would be alot less info to be saved.
My 2 isk worth.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.03.04 17:56:00 -
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Have it so your Book marks "decay" over time. Explain it off as stations/warpgates "Drifting" in space, so if you haven't used that gate for say 15 days, you loose say 1km per day.
This would clear out "instas" for sectors you haven't been in for a long time.
I like this idea Brer.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:59:00 -
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Nah, just move all the gates and make it impossible to copy bm's.
Tough love :)
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Andargor theWise
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:06:00 -
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Whatever you do, pirates or carebears will complain: does it favorize one over the other.
I, for one, am for either stargate drifting in a 15km radius, or inaccurate warps. The latter would place you anywhere 0-15km from your intended warp-in point.
Sometimes you're bang on, some others, you're not. Perhaps Warp Drive Operation, or and advanced Warp Drive skill would allow you to narrow down the inaccuracy.
Andargor
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Amerrus Eka
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Originally by: Ishen Villone
This would create many times the server load than just the bookmarks themselves...
How? The serve already keeps track of all the systems you've ever visited....it's a dispay option in the map.
Lag would be created because it would create much more traffic:
Here's what us haulers would do: hop in a shuttle, set waypoints to all corners of the region visiting every single system 15 times, putting on the autopilot and going to sleep. Next morning I'd have a full set of instas (well, after a few nights if I get ganked).
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:10:00 -
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Don't start your argument by stating your opinion as a general fact. Most people like and use bookmarks.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:16:00 -
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You're cross posting:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=303124
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So basically I have to visit each gate and station in every system where I'm operating 15 times, then I get insta travel anywhere?
Snort. Boring grind, insta AFk traderoutes, massive database lag.
old idea, bad idea
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 04/03/2006 19:20:12
thought they were on about getting rid of bookmarks about 1 and a half years ago aswell as safe spots
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Blake
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:22:00 -
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Look, I'm fed up of seeing posts about bookmark's.
They are part of the game mechanics, always have been and always will be, so DEAL with it 
If you don't like the way they work now then adapt. Plenty of stuff out there to counter bookmarks.
Travel in this game is long enough.
Having read posts about this subject over the past year; it strikes me that the majority of folks looking for a change is because people can't be bothered adapting - damn I can't catch my prey without thinking out of the box a little - get a life seriously.
Move on or move out.
Blake
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Blake
Look, I'm fed up of seeing posts about bookmark's.
They are part of the game mechanics, always have been and always will be, so DEAL with it
If you don't like the way they work now then adapt. Plenty of stuff out there to counter bookmarks.
Travel in this game is long enough.
Having read posts about this subject over the past year; it strikes me that the majority of folks looking for a change is because people can't be bothered adapting - damn I can't catch my prey without thinking out of the box a little - get a life seriously.
Move on or move out.
Blake
QFE.
Bookmarks are neat. They are a helpful piece of information for safer traveling in the huge huge system called EVE.
Think of it this way, when you travel to a large city you never have been in before, Lets say Tokyo for the sake of a megapolis - do you go there without a map? I certainly would not. Not in Los Angeles or New York or any other large cities either for that sake. Then the safe traveler, buys a map. I compares the waypoints in EVE to be just that. A map or waypoint for the safe traveller to use. Ofcource, such maps cost money, and thats why certain companies set up to gather maps, making a "hitch hikers guide to the galaxy" or wathever, so they who dont like to explore can buy these, for safe traveling. While they who loves to explore, can earn money on their experience.
I dont see any difference between this way to earn money and mining. After all, both are legal ways to sc*****some ISK.
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Arkanor
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/03/2006 19:16:53
You're cross posting:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=303124
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So basically I have to visit each gate and station in every system where I'm operating 15 times, then I get insta travel anywhere?
Snort. Boring grind, insta AFk traderoutes, massive database lag.
old idea, bad idea
Eternal Fury, so I'd have to go through and visit EVERY system I wanted to be able to travel in with instas every 15 days, PLUS I'd have to go through the same grind every single time I went into a new region? Snarf.
Yeah, seriously, this is one of the worst solutions I have heard. Not only would it make it a boring grind to set the "new bookmarks," but there would likely be more lag because of people jumping through gates constantly.
Not to mention, it almost completely removes the prospect of even considering going into low-sec without a guard force or battleship, since all the "veterans" inhabit that space already.
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DaveW
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:43:00 -
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"Bookmarks, a Solution...."
There has to be a problem before you have a 'Solution'.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:43:00 -
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Like npc logs consist of minerals, let making a bookmark cost u minerals... like 1 unit of nocx per bookmark or just plain cash, every bm, will cost u 1000 isk or something.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Like npc logs consist of minerals, let making a bookmark cost u minerals... like 1 unit of nocx per bookmark or just plain cash, every bm, will cost u 1000 isk or something.
Meh. The cost is too low to discourage anyone who's played for a while, and would thus just hurt newer players.
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Blake
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:51:00 -
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QFE?
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Nickname Taken
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:53:00 -
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Nice solution! Now we only need a problem to fit it!
Anyone?
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Zarks
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:53:00 -
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very cool idea, I like it
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Andreask14
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:59:00 -
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Plz see my Sig for an elaborate essay on the topic of bookmarks.
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Blake
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:59:00 -
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Look, let's put an end to this thread for the 10,287,205 time by agreeing that we are happy as is.
All that agree, sign below.
Blake
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Prien
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:02:00 -
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Signed.
No need to fix what ain't broken.
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Dejay
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:02:00 -
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IMHO, just save the bookmark data in client side will help a lot.
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Kharak'khan
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:04:00 -
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Bookmarks are essential tools to travel in eve, If i had to slow boat everywhere id just not bother!
Extra skills, nerfing and changing. Oh well its a shame they cause lag/server load but lets face it the server is down again anyway.
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P0rsche
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:04:00 -
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Yep I agree.
Only gripe for me is re-foldersiing them every time I reinstall, other than that I am happy witht them them way they are.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Some people have thousands of bookmarks bought in sets, most of which they will never use. I think a majority of people only live and operate within about 15-20 jumps of their chosen home, and so it would be alot less info to be saved.
Says the man that has never done 150+ jumps a night through enermy territory on ops. 
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Kharak'khan
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:15:00 -
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Yeah thats it, A carebear might not care ok AFK hauling or there mining missions slowed down, but have you ever tried running from Obe to Akkio without instas, You can slowboat it in somethign fast but in a BS etc it will take an age!
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FreeHansje
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:18:00 -
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Quote:
They are part of the game mechanics, always have been and always will be
Famous last words. Many ppl and civilizations have perished because of that misconception.
Also, it is not about adaption to ppl who want to chance it, it's about adaption to ppl, who DON't want to change... I would love it very much if I could build automatically BM's. Some routes I have BMed, but I just can't be bothered to go out and thru the hazzle to create them. Tried it a few times and they hardly ever work out correctly.
So YES! Automatic BMs! Let the ones with current BMs adapt or die!
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/03/2006 20:26:53
So to avoid snipers on one gate I need to warp to it HOW many times?
Heh. Realistic suggestions, plz.
(And one per day? So I need to spend 2 weeks running arround an area like a rabbit before I can realistically go out with the gang? Woot, not)
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