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![Hesod Adee Hesod Adee](https://images.evetech.net/characters/303266683/portrait?size=64)
Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:39:00 -
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Faidin wrote:The wackos are spying on Eve - just like other mmorpgs, but especially Eve with it's international player base...only a moron would assume they're not doing it b/c the media didn't mention Eve by name...I would wager they deeper into Eve than all the other games out there combined. No joke. How many games other than Eve have players spying on each other for an in-game advantage ?
How many games other than Eve have players making an effort to stop enemy spies ?
Eve alliances seem like they would be harder to infiltrate than other MMO guilds. Simply because Eve alliances already have stuff they want to hide. |
![Pontianak Sythaeryn Pontianak Sythaeryn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92942374/portrait?size=64)
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
0
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:16:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:World of Warcraft and Second Life are based in the United States, so the NSA could get a FISA court to issue a warrant to do so and then have Blizzard and the creators of Second Life served with those unConstitutional warrants that also prevent them from mentioning the fact they are doing so. However, EvE Online s based out of Iceland, and the servers are in England. That extrajudicial territory, and even if they did serve CCP with the same paperwork, as a non-US entity they aren't required to follow through with the requirements not to mention it or tell anyone. The most the US government can do is prevent us from playing EvE Online again, but that would cause a diplomatic incident, believe it or not.
I was under the understanding the NSA has more spying powers on foreign communications than domestic. That is the biggest way they sweep up U.S. communications, is by sweeping up data that goes in and out of the U.S. |
![Kyseth Kyseth](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90207411/portrait?size=64)
Kyseth
Touring New Eden Haven.
11093
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:28:00 -
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Graygor wrote:They already are in EVE but are probably regular players. I mean look at the variety of players we have now, id bet damn good money we have a large number of people from the intelligence services here. Theyre taking the meta to the next level.... ![Shocked](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_shocked.png)
RIP Vile Rat.
Maybe not the branch in question, but there are plenty of government officials that have likely been in a sov war or just 0.01 isked you. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden was leading the Russians in the south. ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) |
![Lady Areola Fappington Lady Areola Fappington](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92962088/portrait?size=64)
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
948
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:32:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Faidin wrote:The wackos are spying on Eve - just like other mmorpgs, but especially Eve with it's international player base...only a moron would assume they're not doing it b/c the media didn't mention Eve by name...I would wager they deeper into Eve than all the other games out there combined. No joke. How many games other than Eve have players spying on each other for an in-game advantage ? How many games other than Eve have players making an effort to stop enemy spies ? Eve alliances seem like they would be harder to infiltrate than other MMO guilds. Simply because Eve alliances already have stuff they want to hide.
The typical "spy" for, say, the NSA isn't gonna give a damn what an EVE alliance has regarding in-game stuff.
Lets say, for ***** and giggles, there's a person of interest in an alliance that the NSA/CIA wants to listen in on. It's likely going to go down like this:
Spy joins alliance, watchlists target. Spy listens in on Ventrillo/teamspeak. Spy records the person of interest's login/logoff times. Spy reports this up the chain. Spy draws as little attention to himself as possible.
Higherups then use the login/logoff patterns, along with intel gathered from other sources, to dronestrike the Person of Interest when they know he's sitting in front of the computer playing EVE.
That's the kind of info the CIA would find useful, and wouldn't expose the agent too much to gather. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
![Tollen Gallen Tollen Gallen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90551860/portrait?size=64)
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
4003
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:32:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:They just didn't want to admit they are isk doublers.
Fixed that fo ya ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
I like Zimmy Zeta. Zimmy Zeta -I f*cking love martinis.the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. |
![Naomi Tichim Naomi Tichim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/94000535/portrait?size=64)
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
52
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:48:00 -
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Because Mossad got here first, and we told the CIA "scram, we got dibs". I think the Russians have GuildWars, the Chinese have Lineage 2, and MI6 took Ultima Online. |
![Casanunda Casanunda](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1089845250/portrait?size=64)
Casanunda
Church Of The Eternal Cosmic Confidence Trick
120
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:11:00 -
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Naomi Tichim wrote:Because Mossad got here first, and we told the CIA "scram, we got dibs". I think the Russians have GuildWars, the Chinese have Lineage 2, and MI6 took Ultima Online. I'd have thought Second Life was more MI-6s style given the British Aristocracy's penchant for kinky sex games, and occasionally dying during them.
The fact that I am not a gazillionaire Gallente aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle. |
![Naomi Tichim Naomi Tichim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/94000535/portrait?size=64)
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
52
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:13:00 -
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Casanunda wrote:Naomi Tichim wrote:Because Mossad got here first, and we told the CIA "scram, we got dibs". I think the Russians have GuildWars, the Chinese have Lineage 2, and MI6 took Ultima Online. I'd have thought Second Life was more MI-6s style given the British Aristocracy's penchant for kinky sex games, and occasionally dying during them.
Why do you think MI6 banned its people from playing SL? |
![Jane Schereau Jane Schereau](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92751747/portrait?size=64)
Jane Schereau
63
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Posted - 2013.12.11 02:33:00 -
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Us CEO's do our jobs too well, they would never get into my corp >_< |
![Anya Klibor Anya Klibor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/301802921/portrait?size=64)
Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
553
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Posted - 2013.12.11 04:14:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:World of Warcraft and Second Life are based in the United States, so the NSA could get a FISA court to issue a warrant to do so and then have Blizzard and the creators of Second Life served with those unConstitutional warrants that also prevent them from mentioning the fact they are doing so. However, EvE Online s based out of Iceland, and the servers are in England. That extrajudicial territory, and even if they did serve CCP with the same paperwork, as a non-US entity they aren't required to follow through with the requirements not to mention it or tell anyone. The most the US government can do is prevent us from playing EvE Online again, but that would cause a diplomatic incident, believe it or not. I was under the understanding the NSA has more spying powers on foreign communications than domestic. That is the biggest way they sweep up U.S. communications, is by sweeping up data that goes in and out of the U.S.
In theory, that i the case. It is like the CIA, which is barred by law from operating on US soil: they can get around this by monitoring anything that has an international connection. By simply having a phone, you have the capability to make international calls, and so the CIA and NSA can monitor you, even if it isn't actually an international call. And because by law they are not law enforcement bodies, it means they get around Constitutional issues 99% of the time. All this stuff about the NSA not violating the Constitution is true: they don't because there is nothing that actually prevents them in the Constitution from doing what they do. |
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![Ila Dace Ila Dace](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91622714/portrait?size=64)
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1365
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:19:00 -
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We really are all Chribba's alts... They don't need to spy on just one guy. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
![Malaclypse Muscaria Malaclypse Muscaria](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1195690550/portrait?size=64)
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.12.12 04:30:00 -
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I find it hard to believe someone at the NSA genuinely thought they would be catching "terrorists" or somesuchs on an MMOG.
Sounds to me more like some smartasses managed to swindle their superiors into letting them play online video games as part of their daily jobs.
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![Emiko P'eng Emiko P'eng](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90686054/portrait?size=64)
Emiko P'eng
54
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Posted - 2013.12.16 10:33:00 -
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Hehe!
Don't worry the NSA cannot touch the EVE servers as they are in the UK.
So they got us Brits to do their dirty work and inflitrate the EVE servers for them, I expect ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
BBC Click - Why British and US spies are infiltrating online games
Now how do I persude them to spy on my competitors for me ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) |
![Reiisha Reiisha](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148584827/portrait?size=64)
Reiisha
Evolution
446
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Posted - 2013.12.16 10:42:00 -
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Anny Jackson wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/world/spies-dragnet-reaches-a-playing-field-of-elves-and-trolls.html?_r=1&
I mean they were spying for WoW and Second Life, but not for EVE. Or they tried but couldn't handle with counterspying?
Where do you think the Goons come from?
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
![baltec1 baltec1](https://images.evetech.net/characters/101100080/portrait?size=64)
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9075
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Posted - 2013.12.16 12:17:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Anny Jackson wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/world/spies-dragnet-reaches-a-playing-field-of-elves-and-trolls.html?_r=1&
I mean they were spying for WoW and Second Life, but not for EVE. Or they tried but couldn't handle with counterspying? Where do you think the Goons come from?
CIA. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
![Bagrat Skalski Bagrat Skalski](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90478770/portrait?size=64)
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
576
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:55:00 -
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There is no spai here. Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |
![Hesod Adee Hesod Adee](https://images.evetech.net/characters/303266683/portrait?size=64)
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
209
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:24:00 -
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British spies have been a bit nuts. That's what happens when everyone just assumes you're sane and competent while you hide all the evidence of your successes and failures. |
![Reaver Glitterstim Reaver Glitterstim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1017580736/portrait?size=64)
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
690
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Posted - 2013.12.17 09:27:00 -
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because EVE isn't a USA game. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
![Samoth Egnoled Samoth Egnoled](https://images.evetech.net/characters/642429527/portrait?size=64)
Samoth Egnoled
30080
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Posted - 2013.12.17 09:48:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:They just didn't want to admit they fell prey to isk doublers.
Well i guess that explains the UK's deficit, Erotica 1 has it. ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Ego Sum Mortem Incarnatum - I Am Death Incarnate |
![Slade Trillgon Slade Trillgon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1470513625/portrait?size=64)
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1103
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Posted - 2013.12.17 12:23:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The typical "spy" for, say, the NSA isn't gonna give a damn what an EVE alliance has regarding in-game stuff.
Lets say, for ***** and giggles, there's a person of interest in an alliance that the NSA/CIA wants to listen in on. It's likely going to go down like this:
Spy joins alliance, watchlists target. Spy listens in on Ventrillo/teamspeak. Spy records the person of interest's login/logoff times. Spy reports this up the chain. Spy draws as little attention to himself as possible.
Higherups then use the login/logoff patterns, along with intel gathered from other sources, to dronestrike the Person of Interest when they know he's sitting in front of the computer playing EVE.
That's the kind of info the CIA would find useful, and wouldn't expose the agent too much to gather.
BUSTED!!!! BURN THE HERETIC AT THE STAKE!!!! ![Twisted](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png) ![Twisted](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png) ![Twisted](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png)
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![Robby Altair Robby Altair](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1491977270/portrait?size=64)
Robby Altair
71
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:29:00 -
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As referred on The Colbert Report(2013.12.16).
"Documents contain no indication that the surveillance ever foiled any terrorist plots, nor is there any clear evidence that terror groups were using the virtual communities to communicate as the intelligence agencies predicted." Ah,... that was a secret.
Hay, where has all the time and money been spent. Probably spying on former BF/GF,... or people they would like as BF/GF.
Refs: Xbox Live among game services targeted by US and UK spy agencies
NSA Employees Spied On Romantic Interests In The Past: Report
It is GIGO application development. |
![Hesod Adee Hesod Adee](https://images.evetech.net/characters/303266683/portrait?size=64)
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
209
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:35:00 -
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The real question you need to ask yourself: Does the NSA have any programs that are actually successful at catching terrorists ? |
![Bagrat Skalski Bagrat Skalski](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90478770/portrait?size=64)
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
578
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:31:00 -
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Its just the way to play WoW in your work, paying with the public money. ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |
![Alpheias Alpheias](https://images.evetech.net/characters/830141653/portrait?size=64)
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
3079
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:50:00 -
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I think the reason the NSA avoided EVE was because of the tutorial. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
![Hesod Adee Hesod Adee](https://images.evetech.net/characters/303266683/portrait?size=64)
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
210
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:00:00 -
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You seem to be an NSA agent spying on Eve. It would be a shame if something happened to your boot.ini file. |
![Tanesha Kring Tanesha Kring](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93771076/portrait?size=64)
Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:10:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:World of Warcraft and Second Life are based in the United States, so the NSA could get a FISA court to issue a warrant to do so and then have Blizzard and the creators of Second Life served with those unConstitutional warrants that also prevent them from mentioning the fact they are doing so. However, EvE Online s based out of Iceland, and the servers are in England. That extrajudicial territory, and even if they did serve CCP with the same paperwork, as a non-US entity they aren't required to follow through with the requirements not to mention it or tell anyone. The most the US government can do is prevent us from playing EvE Online again, but that would cause a diplomatic incident, believe it or not. I was under the understanding the NSA has more spying powers on foreign communications than domestic. That is the biggest way they sweep up U.S. communications, is by sweeping up data that goes in and out of the U.S.
Not to mention that, ideally a intelligence service has a lot less restrictions on how they operate outside of there own country. The NSA for instance only needs the approval of the Senate (stress ideally since this isn't apparently the case, although Senate Intelligence Committee can and has lied in the past about their involvement in ops) to conduct a operation against a foreign power. Outside of that they have any and all means to conduct their operation, because since it's committing criminal acts inside another nation normal legal and ethical considerations do not apply. |
![Steven Alfrir Steven Alfrir](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93989489/portrait?size=64)
Steven Alfrir
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:10:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:World of Warcraft and Second Life are based in the United States, so the NSA could get a FISA court to issue a warrant to do so and then have Blizzard and the creators of Second Life served with those unConstitutional warrants that also prevent them from mentioning the fact they are doing so. However, EvE Online s based out of Iceland, and the servers are in England. That extrajudicial territory, and even if they did serve CCP with the same paperwork, as a non-US entity they aren't required to follow through with the requirements not to mention it or tell anyone. The most the US government can do is prevent us from playing EvE Online again, but that would cause a diplomatic incident, believe it or not. Please explain how the US Government preventing it's citizens from playing eve online cause a diplomatic incident because i can't see how it would. |
![Steven Alfrir Steven Alfrir](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93989489/portrait?size=64)
Steven Alfrir
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:14:00 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:I find it hard to believe someone at the NSA genuinely thought they would be catching "terrorists" or somesuchs on an MMOG.
Sounds to me more like some smartasses managed to swindle their superiors into letting them play online video games as part of their daily jobs.
Be very careful in what you say because bad things would very likely befall someone who badmouths a NSA or GCHQ agent.
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![Amber Kurvora Amber Kurvora](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90466681/portrait?size=64)
Amber Kurvora
132
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Posted - 2013.12.18 09:25:00 -
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I'd imagine it has something to do with the KGB levels of paranoia Eve can induce.
"You say were in an NPC corp for six months? We want receipts, proof of the missions run, you're incomings and out goings on a daily basis, as well as the details of all your contacts. Oh, and if you want to mail your passport over so we can verify who you are..." |
![Kitty Bear Kitty Bear](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91881080/portrait?size=64)
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1018
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:05:00 -
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Jane Schereau wrote:Us CEO's do our jobs too well, they would never get into my corp >_<
Unless it's a 1 man corp, you have no guarantees of that.
That person you recruited last week, it could be them. |
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