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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.03.06 07:17:00 -
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so we have to buy EQN #3 to find out? booooooooooo
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2006.03.06 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Hehulk on 06/03/2006 07:23:31
 Originally by: Tachy
But guys. Wait till you see all the cloak and dagger garbage planned for Windows Vista.
Cloak and dagger how? I don't know a great deal about vista, appart form what the GUI looks like in the current beta.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.03.06 07:29:00 -
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The graphic updates sound minimal kinda bummed. This game needs a nice boost of eye candy, more explosion varities, more visual omph on the weapon effects, where wepaons hit ships etc.... More ship models for all tiers of ships.
Important part of eve that needs to progress to keep the game fresh and growing.
I would also like to see a nice sound upgrade right now little things like when you look at the ship your shooting you get no sounds.... Ie when your missle explodes on an enemy ship the sound is generated at YOUR ship hehe.
I like the music in eve is very appropriate mood, would love too see some mroe tracks.
LAstly they need to spice up space alot. I know I know space is a big empty place but this is a game! and space needs a few mroe visuals. Like nebula, some galaxies that can be spotted int he distant and other celestial bodies, even if I cant fly to them have them on the back ground.
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Iavia
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Posted - 2006.03.06 07:38:00 -
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I whish I could find the link the the fan fest vids.
One covered the graphics upgrades in detail.
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mboverload
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Posted - 2006.03.06 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Asane
Wait for DX10 and then it's nudity time
that would mean that everyone in EVE would need to start using Windows VISTA, since DX10 will only be available for VISTA afaik.
Well i guess most people playing now, has upgraded allready to a 64bit machine or are thinking about it anyway.
64 bit itself means nothing when refering to speed of a home user's computer.
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Anatole Faucet
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Posted - 2006.03.06 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
The graphic updates sound minimal kinda bummed. This game needs a nice boost of eye candy, more explosion varities, more visual omph on the weapon effects, where wepaons hit ships etc.... More ship models for all tiers of ships.
Important part of eve that needs to progress to keep the game fresh and growing.
I would also like to see a nice sound upgrade right now little things like when you look at the ship your shooting you get no sounds.... Ie when your missle explodes on an enemy ship the sound is generated at YOUR ship hehe.
I like the music in eve is very appropriate mood, would love too see some mroe tracks.
LAstly they need to spice up space alot. I know I know space is a big empty place but this is a game! and space needs a few mroe visuals. Like nebula, some galaxies that can be spotted int he distant and other celestial bodies, even if I cant fly to them have them on the back ground.
I couldn't agree more with you...
CCP should make higher polygon count models for all items in the game, redo the textures so they don't look like crap when zoomed all the way in.
just those two things would up the graphics lvl in EVE by alot, and as far as i know very few ppl have so bad computers it will be a problem.
On top of that i would really like to see a physics system implemented, making the battleships seem large, heavier and more bulky and the interceptors more nimble. I would like to see recoil when a tempest fires a broadside of arties. and i would like to see scaleable models so that when i zoom out fully there isn't just a white speck but a small model, making it easier to tell which ship class i'm targetting. 
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mboverload
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Posted - 2006.03.06 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Anatole Faucet
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
The graphic updates sound minimal kinda bummed. This game needs a nice boost of eye candy, more explosion varities, more visual omph on the weapon effects, where wepaons hit ships etc.... More ship models for all tiers of ships.
Important part of eve that needs to progress to keep the game fresh and growing.
I would also like to see a nice sound upgrade right now little things like when you look at the ship your shooting you get no sounds.... Ie when your missle explodes on an enemy ship the sound is generated at YOUR ship hehe.
I like the music in eve is very appropriate mood, would love too see some mroe tracks.
LAstly they need to spice up space alot. I know I know space is a big empty place but this is a game! and space needs a few mroe visuals. Like nebula, some galaxies that can be spotted int he distant and other celestial bodies, even if I cant fly to them have them on the back ground.
I couldn't agree more with you...
CCP should make higher polygon count models for all items in the game, redo the textures so they don't look like crap when zoomed all the way in.
just those two things would up the graphics lvl in EVE by alot, and as far as i know very few ppl have so bad computers it will be a problem.
On top of that i would really like to see a physics system implemented, making the battleships seem large, heavier and more bulky and the interceptors more nimble. I would like to see recoil when a tempest fires a broadside of arties. and i would like to see scaleable models so that when i zoom out fully there isn't just a white speck but a small model, making it easier to tell which ship class i'm targetting.
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Nuanne Am
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Posted - 2006.03.06 08:38:00 -
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It would be nice to have some visible damage on the ships too as there are no dmg seen atm. And those who will say that it adds lag, it would only need to be a client side effect with an option to turn it of. A good LOD system and it will work just fine. A lot of work of course but hey... ;)
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Chribba
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Posted - 2006.03.06 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Genevieve Broussard
It'd be nice if they managed to sort the horrible texture artifacts on some space stations (mainly Amarr ones it seems, curse their frivality!). But the stations are modular I think so unless they remodel them all as seperate stations I doubt this'll happen. Still, good news all the same as Eve is still bloody gorgeous and any new pretties are welcome by me!
if you're talking about the flickering I think it's something to do with the Z-buffer.
Apparently, if your GFX card supports it, changing to W-buffer fixes it.
Any difference GFX wise running Z or W? I can't seem to change to W tho, if I change then it says Z still.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.03.06 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 06/03/2006 09:04:11
I'll be happy enough for a major graphics overhaul, just as long as its optional for me to use.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.06 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: babyblue on 06/03/2006 09:11:19
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Genevieve Broussard
It'd be nice if they managed to sort the horrible texture artifacts on some space stations (mainly Amarr ones it seems, curse their frivality!). But the stations are modular I think so unless they remodel them all as seperate stations I doubt this'll happen. Still, good news all the same as Eve is still bloody gorgeous and any new pretties are welcome by me!
if you're talking about the flickering I think it's something to do with the Z-buffer.
Apparently, if your GFX card supports it, changing to W-buffer fixes it.
Any difference GFX wise running Z or W? I can't seem to change to W tho, if I change then it says Z still.
Not really. It's just a different depth distribution - based on the homogenous w rather than the z coordinate. The problem is with the models, which don't scale their detail smoothly from far out to close in. You get "z fighting" in the distance when you are trying to render items with a small depth range. Ideally, the model should simplify the further away from it you are.
Edit: your card might not support w buffering, which may be why it won't let you set the option.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.06 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: babyblue
Edited by: babyblue on 06/03/2006 09:11:19
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Genevieve Broussard
It'd be nice if they managed to sort the horrible texture artifacts on some space stations (mainly Amarr ones it seems, curse their frivality!). But the stations are modular I think so unless they remodel them all as seperate stations I doubt this'll happen. Still, good news all the same as Eve is still bloody gorgeous and any new pretties are welcome by me!
if you're talking about the flickering I think it's something to do with the Z-buffer.
Apparently, if your GFX card supports it, changing to W-buffer fixes it.
Any difference GFX wise running Z or W? I can't seem to change to W tho, if I change then it says Z still.
Not really. It's just a different depth distribution - based on the homogenous w rather than the z coordinate. The problem is with the models, which don't scale their detail smoothly from far out to close in. You get "z fighting" in the distance when you are trying to render items with a small depth range. Ideally, the model should simplify the further away from it you are.
Edit: your card might not support w buffering, which may be why it won't let you set the option.
now that you mention it, what cards support W-buffering? I know my ATI 9600 doesn't
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Hardin
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Posted - 2006.03.06 10:37:00 -
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Guys www.mmorpg.com and find the last EVE news (about 2/3 weeks ago - it is an interview with Oveur.
In it he talks about an upgrade to the graphics engine as a priority for 2006...
Straight from the horse's mouth...
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: ToxicFire on 06/03/2006 11:04:55
Edited by: ToxicFire on 06/03/2006 11:04:29
Originally by: Hehulk
Edited by: Hehulk on 06/03/2006 07:23:31
Originally by: Tachy
But guys. Wait till you see all the cloak and dagger garbage planned for .
Cloak and dagger how? I don't know a great deal about , appart form what the GUI looks like in the current beta.
Cloak and dagger.. its not really cloak and dagger its DRM and companies have been rather upfront about the fact its going to be in alot of the new software coming out.. and within in a few years it will be directly run from the hardware meaning no OS will be free of drm unless ur willing to pay through the teeth for a non drm system and loose access to a feck load of mainstream software
DRM = Digital Rights Management, basicly everything should have some form of liscence (unless its open source of course) and if it doens't have the appropriate info to verify its the authentic on your pc, it goes bye bye automatically or in some cases it will lock you out of your pc. Requiring you to call certain it support to get you out of it.
The entire concept really is in a couple of decades you won't actually own all the software on your system just be renting it from the major corps when you actually need to use it.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:38:00 -
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I'd kill for new textures.
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:06:00 -
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I definately want turrets to actually miss their target ... and way more spots where your ship can be hit ...
besides that which actually wont happen ... 
... i want pretty hawt looking planets and moons ... cuz right now they simply suck ... which prolly wont happen either
ohohoh btw nebulas ftw, system wide that is 
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:34:00 -
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They should really upgrade the textures on planets and moons, because the moons and some planets look horrible atm.
Also there is one thing which no-one mentions for some reason... Its the space backgrounds. Right now there is a set of fixed backgrounds, which are randomly assigned to all systems. What would be nice is them having some consistency, i.e. if there is, say a nebula at some location, one could see it from the different sides by warping to the systems around it etc. This would mean that each system would have an unique background, but it isnt impossible, is it?
And decrease the brightness level in space plz, space is dark! Actually, if it was made realistic, all the red-blue-green-brown stuff would have to go too, but it'd look boring that way  .
Then, why not introduce some (omg ) physics, like making it impossible to warp thru celestial objects... The problems associated with that (like warping from A to B with a planet in-between) could be solved by moving the planets away from the routes between all known objects in a system. And if u have a weird ss, thats behind a planet, you should get a warning like "You cannot warp there because there is a celestial object in the way^^". 
I'd also love to see docking bays, i.e. places at a station which you have to approach in order to dock, rather than the station itself... but that would general insane amounts of whine from a certain part of the playerbase. And since that certain part of the playerbase would also whine about all the new graphics causing lag, why not make a text-based version of eve, with only fullscreen overview, all ship stats and chat channels displayed? 
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
I definately want turrets to actually miss their target ... and way more spots where your ship can be hit ...
besides that which actually wont happen ...
I'm not sure.
It could be done entirely client side (after all, hit/miss is all that matters for damage), so it's certainly possible.
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Jherek Cornelian
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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IMO People only want it running on linux for the "omg I'm a leet unix user - cool" factor, and AFAIK it can be made to work on linux as it is. (at least it used to when I tried it)
That's a very bad interpretation of why people are requesting EVE on Linux (even if through just Wine suport and not an EVE codebase port). In my experience, the EVE Linux community wants the capability not for the 'leet' factor but because EVE the one remaining reason why Windows exists on their computer. That's my only reason. Everything else I need, from games to security, authoring and graphical construction are already avaliable to me on Linux. Because I prefer the GUI (in specific gnome and fluxbox) that runs on the Linux kernel to the Windows GUI (or litestep modification), that doesn't mean we are trying to be 'leet'.
I have to agree with this guy. Having worked on Linux and Unix for the past 15 years, anyone who runs Linux at home cannot ever class himself as leet. Gimping yourself for no reason is certainly not leet.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2006.03.06 14:06:00 -
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To all the people wanting big improvements to graphics - do you have some kind of supercomputer or something or do you NEVER pvp and like to win or fight more than 5 NPC ships at once and like a frame rate over 20fps!?!
It has, in my knowledge, become pretty much essential to switch off all effects and turret effects if you want to stand a chance in PvP encounters and react to situations as they change. Even for PvE if there is lots on screen the game lags badly.
My PC setup is dman good and runs all current FPS's (including FEAR) at a decent resolution and frame rate.
If anything I would make the graphics worse and allow full effects to be used all the time on reasonable spec PC's with no lag.
Then my dream of a large space battle with guns, missiles and effects left right and centre making it FEEL like an epic space battle may be realised. Not just getting to watch a red bar get bigger 
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.03.06 15:39:00 -
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I have effects on in almost every battle. No, I dont have fps problems. Maybe your puter isnt that good after all? You say you run fear with a decent res... thats not saying anything really. Whats a decent resolution? for some people 800*600 is good, for others 1280*960 is crap... and there are also aa/af settings. With them disabled, even fear can run nicely on a very crappy comp.
Try maxing you aa/af, max the in-game settings, run on atleast 1280 resolution, and then tell how well fear runs .
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.03.06 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire
The entire concept really is in a couple of decades you won't actually own all the software on your system just be renting it from the major corps when you actually need to use it.
Did they end up getting rid of the plan to prevent coders from writing programs for other computers unless they had expensive licenses? I remember a lot of Windows geeks were up in arms about that one and I can understand why - CCP would never have started in that environment.
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Xzender S'jet
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Posted - 2006.03.06 20:16:00 -
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There is NO need for a dedicated linux client; if the GFX are rewritten in OpenGL (not exactly a trivial thing) then someone will port it in like 10 minutes. So, stop whining about getting a linux client, its NOT going to happen, and push for some time down the road for a OpenGL based client, them EVERYONE will be happy.
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Minsc
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Posted - 2006.03.06 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jamius
To all the people wanting big improvements to graphics - do you have some kind of supercomputer or something or do you NEVER pvp and like to win or fight more than 5 NPC ships at once and like a frame rate over 20fps!?!
It has, in my knowledge, become pretty much essential to switch off all effects and turret effects if you want to stand a chance in PvP encounters and react to situations as they change. Even for PvE if there is lots on screen the game lags badly.
My PC setup is dman good and runs all current FPS's (including FEAR) at a decent resolution and frame rate.
If anything I would make the graphics worse and allow full effects to be used all the time on reasonable spec PC's with no lag.
Then my dream of a large space battle with guns, missiles and effects left right and centre making it FEEL like an epic space battle may be realised. Not just getting to watch a red bar get bigger
The major problem with the graphics engine right now is that it doesn't really take full advantage of newer video cards. Many of the Effects that are in the game are hardcoded into the engine and as a result the game is VERY CPU intensive. If they were to rewrite the engine to actually make better use of current GPU's the performance should actually increase. It might even allow them to implement better LOD which should help performance as well.
As for the ship models, they don't really need many more poly's if any, but giving them some upgraded textures and some bump and normal mapping would certainly make them look a hell of a lot better. Planets definitely need to be revamped though. Personally I would love to see them made much more detailed and much bigger in relation to the stations as currently the stations appear to be a long way away from the planets they are orbiting. This will also become more apperent when planetary interaction comes into the game so it will probably need to be done at some point.
As for weapon effects and the like, I would love to see weapon blasts actually hitting shields and then when that gives way, armor and showing armor damage. I believe that could be accomplished fairly easily with shaders.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2006.03.06 20:44:00 -
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LAstly they need to spice up space alot. I know I know space is a big empty place but this is a game! and space needs a few mroe visuals. Like nebula, some galaxies that can be spotted int he distant and other celestial bodies, even if I cant fly to them have them on the back ground.
My gosh the good ole days. Hey we have color now. I dont understand why anyone would want the background to have more stuff in it.
People complain that ships go thru planets.
People complain that we dont see other systems in the distance.
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I guess you figure on one thing and go with it. There once was talk about painting your ship. Damage to ones ship is as good as painting. If you turn off you sound you can make your own sound effects.
"Kaboom" "Zap" "Gate fire- whrillllll" "Peow"
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DJ Matty
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Posted - 2006.03.06 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: ToxicFire
The entire concept really is in a couple of decades you won't actually own all the software on your system just be renting it from the major corps when you actually need to use it.
Did they end up getting rid of the plan to prevent coders from writing programs for other computers unless they had expensive licenses? I remember a lot of Windows geeks were up in arms about that one and I can understand why - CCP would never have started in that environment.
Just the opposite with Vista... the compilers are included in the o/s so you can write .net framework code in notepad and compile them with command lines...
Well it was a couple of years ago when they showed that at an event, but i think it's still the case now.
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 07/03/2006 13:58:35
I'd like to see smartbombs re-done as proper omni-directional (i.e. spherical) blasts out to the correct radius.
You only have to look at some of the deadspace structure explosions to see what the engine is capable of when concerning truly 3D effects...
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Samantha Dar'Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.07 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Eyecandi
Not even on my list of things to do this year, or probably the next couple of years. They institute a need for 64 bit systems and I'm sure a lot of people will have problems, particularly poor college students like myself.
Not really, a low end 64-bit system will set you back maybe ú200, i did it recently in chunks and now i have a 64-bit system and OS :)
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.03.07 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight
so we have to buy EQN #3 to find out? booooooooooo
Yeah, I'm begginning to hate EON just out of association. Some cool new feature just get released? Want info on it? Well, up pops Zapero to tell you you'll have to fork over cash for it.
I don't have a problem with EON (beyond the fact I'll never get my money back for the first issue I bought) but it's just... irritating. Pointlessly so, maybe, but irritating none-the-less.
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Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2006.03.07 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: RaYdeX
If you wan to be "Different" and run Linux for most things, you should be be able to script your own graphics support, Otherwise your just a trend ***** anyway.
So if whining and *****ing that your upsupported OS, is not supported by CCP is your cup of tea, I won't miss you when your gone :)
Thats such a highly ignorant response I hesitated to even respond to it. However I tend to help ignorant people as much as I can, when I can. Most people don't run Linux to be "different". Linux is unix based. Some of the applications I, and other users run simply ARE NOT AVAILABLE in Windows.
Repeat after me. We run linux because the applications are not AVAILABLE in windows. Unix in one form or another was around for 25+ years before the first windows OS came about.. thats ALOT of applications and many of them were never ported to windows. Why? Well some are obscure, and some require tremendous amounts of horsepower that simply wont work under machinery that Windows runs on, some only work with robust permission based systems (of which Windows is not one), and various other reasons.
So you see it has nothing to do wtih being different. It has to do with using the tool that is the best for the job. If the tool doesnt exist in Windows, then I cant use Windows to get the job done.
I like others have M$ installed only to play Eve. It crashes too frequently for me under Wine in linux. If they would just fix the *THREE* biggest crash bugs (Esc, Mini, and Gates) most of us "Different" users would shut up and go away.
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