Or was it the fact nothing changed for it?

Rifter is fine in a a gang, stop trying to balance everything for solo, this is not a solo game...

I enjoyed the Rifter being **** for quite a while..

But the novelty is wearing off.

Frigs need another balance pass, Punisher/rifter are both hot garbage.

An Iteron V is fine in a gang too.

Both Rifter and Punisher are fine in a select number of cases. In the Punisher's case, when a giant cheap brick is needed for tackle or such. The Rifter is useful when you need complete unpredictability, or one of the rare situations where being "okay" at a lot of things is better than being "great" at a couple things.

I'd give the Punisher (along with several select other ships) the 5% resistance bonus back, plus a possible slight increase in base tracking of all small lasers.

For the Rifter, I would just switch its damage/tracking bonuses to RoF/falloff, resulting in a slight paper DPS increase, decrease in tracking, and increase in falloff. It differentiates it from every other small autocannon ship in both fitting and fighting style, and gives an entry point to projectile falloff PvP.

Thanks for that input.

Rifter is fine in a a gang, stop trying to balance everything for solo, this is not a solo game...

You're welcome. If you ever need a list of ships that work fine in a gang, let me know.

I enjoyed the Rifter being **** for quite a while..

But the novelty is wearing off.

Both Rifter and Punisher are fine in a select number of cases. In the Punisher's case, when a giant cheap brick is needed for tackle or such. The Rifter is useful when you need complete unpredictability, or one of the rare situations where being "okay" at a lot of things is better than being "great" at a couple things.

I'd give the Punisher (along with several select other ships) the 5% resistance bonus back, plus a possible slight increase in base tracking of all small lasers.

For the Rifter, I would just switch its damage/tracking bonuses to RoF/falloff, resulting in a slight paper DPS increase, decrease in tracking, and increase in falloff. It differentiates it from every other small autocannon ship in both fitting and fighting style, and gives an entry point to projectile falloff PvP.

5% reduction in inertia modifier is all it needs.

It hits harder than a slasher. Tanks more than a slasher and is way more flexible than a slasher.

The reduction in inertia gives it something of it's old self back without being OP.

5% reduction in inertia modifier is all it needs.

It hits harder than a slasher. Tanks more than a slasher and is way more flexible than a slasher.

The reduction in inertia gives it something of it's old self back without being OP.

So the glory days of a rifter eating everything are over and no its probaly the worse t1 frig for pvp. the dps on small auto cannons is horrible to begin with. what frig do people who fly armor rupture and armor canes fly? breacher(mini cyclone)...

Switch damage bonus for rate of fire bonus, switch 4th highslot for 4th lowslot.

Fixed.

The rifter is as good as it used to be. It can still do the very same stuff.
The difference is, however, that there is probably not a single cruiser out now that might have struggle fighting off a Rifter, and that all the other frigs are now on par or above the Rifter. It's engagement profile got reduced.


It certainly can still fight some frigs, examples here are Incursus and (behold:) Slasher, but it usually gets steamrolled by anything. Still good for gangstuff, ofc. Never hurts to have another Rifter with you.

A fix would be:

Falloff + RoF
or
4 Turretslots with Tracking + Falloff
or
3-3-4

A good rifter dies to a good Incursus 10/10 times

Would go a long way.

utility highs slots = worst slots

Wow. Things really have changed since the last time I played. Rifter was frig king from like 2006-2011...

What changed? Or was it the fact nothing changed for it?

Rifter had years of love in their "glory days", so maybe it's pilots need to learn how to actually fight now.

Wolf took it's place.

Take the utility high away and completely kill off the rifter for good.

The extra high that allows you to fit nos/neut or launcher (that's gives it a good 25%+ DPs over slasher btw) is what makes it so versatile

Seriously all it needs is a slight reduction to inertia to make it the fastest combat frig but still slower than attack frigs. Most of the people whining about the rifter have never spent hours upon hours in them. No the rifter is not the 'king' anymore but it is far from completely useless that the majority of people make it out to be.

It doesn't give anything a 4th low wouldn't be better for. A frig needs 4 lows for a proper armor tank and gank.


And to the gentleman above, of course i meant a Rail mancursus.

This thread makes me want to buy some Rifters and try them out, so I will.

You know something is wrong, when fitting Blasters to an obvious autocannon platform gives you better results.

Go strap some ions on it, dudes. Hell, Neutrons work, too.

[Rifter, Blasterifter]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Small Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I



[Rifter, AutoRifter]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Small Armor Repairer II
Gyrostabilizer II

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I



First one needs 3% CPU, but since a lot of people - or at least i do - use Geno Cores, that shouldn't be a problem.

Note the difference of the mods.
Less than 10% difference in tracking - on a tracking bonused hull.
Less DPS with autocannons - on a projectile damage bonused hull.
With Ions, the AutoRifter can get 'more range'. With Neutrons, it's pretty much even.

Note the difference of the mods.
Less than 10% difference in tracking - on a tracking bonused hull.
Less DPS with autocannons - on a projectile damage bonused hull.
With Ions, the AutoRifter can get 'more range'. With Neutrons, it's pretty much even.

but they also have more range and selectable damage type.

No they don't and no they don't. Mathematical is all true, in space is not.
Suggestion: Fit your AC rifter and go fight Coilex blaster incursus, or Reciprocrat rail Incursus.

Against Null there is no damage selection, and if both fit ambits only way to do better damage than your oponent is to fight out of scram range, also good luck trying to break his tank at that range. Against rail incursus the speed diference is so small that you'll die when trying to get under his guns (better chances if the pilot is waiting at zero with his rails -.-).

Honestly, I don't even know where to start, if in all t2 ammo, if in speed/agility, small rail tracking or even Rifter slot layout/bonus.
Minmatar have 3 brawlers, but I do like a brawling rifter, and I do like the utility high.
A small buff to speed and agility would be a nice start, but I doubt this changes would be enough.

What is a Coilex blaster incursus ? And a Reciprocrat rail incursus ?

Coilex blaster incursus

Reciprocrat rail Incursus

What is a Coilex blaster incursus ? And a Reciprocrat rail incursus ?

The idea is, go fight against a good pilot in a blaster incursus / rail incursus with your rifter, and tell me how the increased range and ammo selection helped you out.

I was talking about the AC Rifter vs blaster Rifter.

[...]

Now I think null shouldn't have been buffed in the blaster buff some years ago ; and the Rifter could have a bit more agility or speed, but more than that would push it over the top where he was before the rebalance and that's not a good thing IMO.

Coilex Military Research Corporation (GASDAQ: COILCO) conducts research and development on various technologies relevant to today's modern military needs. Their most recently released product, the Coilex Advanced Light Proton Blaster, boasts special integration into the classic Incursus hull, leading to performance "better in every way than even a Winmatar autocannon" using groundbreaking built-in magnetic infusion systems. Military experts are calling this a magnetosaural field.

Unfortunately the Coilex Advanced Light Proton Blaster is not available for general usage due to restrictions on classified technology imposed de facto by the Consolidated Cooperation and Relations Command Inner Circle.



The local Gallente government in the region of Solitude has been recently dealing with an extremist political faction dubbing themselves the "Reciprocrats". Their exact demands are unclear, but they appear to involve socioeconomic safety net reforms. Their cause is bolstered by extremely vicious forces and inexplicably advanced technology, such as railguns with unprecedented tracking. "Our regular protocol of doing a barrel roll is completely ineffective!" one law enforcement official has told us, on condition of anonymity.

Jovian representatives have not yet responded to inquiries into rumors of the involvement of Jovian tech in this mess.

..

What?

maybe simply cutting the rifter's size is the way to go.

I would think AB kiting from 13-20km would work better with a arty rifter.

Wouldn't work well but it should work.