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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.09.06 14:15:00 -
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Why oh why was it done, changing that much is a bit extreme as a correction for a mistake s i cannot believe that reason.
Just egg's me off 
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.06 14:22:00 -
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I can't see the reason either. 
I'll have to use at least 3 to get my regular loadout to work, it would seem.
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2003.09.06 14:57:00 -
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Also remember that using more than 2 gets the stacking nerfed as well...
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Posted - 2003.09.06 15:19:00 -
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yeah, it'd be nice to see an extra 50-100 cpu on some shiops due to this nerf :/
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.06 15:30:00 -
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Also remember that using more than 2 gets the stacking nerfed as well...
Make that 7 then. Might be enough 
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Judicator
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Posted - 2003.09.06 15:48:00 -
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*swings the nerf bat of *** abbandon*
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.09.06 16:13:00 -
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You'll be filling your Raven's lows just to be able to use Siege launchers. Ack.
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Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2003.09.06 21:21:00 -
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It's quite the over nerf, saying that the photonics were hit by the nerf bat would be an understatement, it's more like getting hit by the nerf mack truck.
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Daan
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Posted - 2003.09.06 21:24:00 -
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pls, can we not do this :/
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Majin Buu
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Posted - 2003.09.06 22:12:00 -
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what is the point of giving lvl 2 battleships another low slot when we are going to need another 7(SEVEN) low slots to power any sort of decent config? Doing this would also make ALOT of tech 2 stuff unusable because of there high cpu requirement
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.06 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 06/09/2003 23:49:47
Calvert looks at his spare 90 cpu and 3K powergrid on his Scorpion and wonders if his setup is lame because he hasn't used every ounce of powergrid/cpu
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2003.09.06 23:28:00 -
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Archon, is this something you see because you go on the test server and is not a patch note item?
I hope it is not so, but I ask this as I don't go on the test server and kind of rely on the patchn otes and what others write in the forums to see what is coming up.
If it is only because you play on the test server that you see this, I am glad you bring the subject up. If nobody complained about an issue like this, then we who don't have a clue how to play over there and what is needed, would be even more clueless should that change get implemented on the regular server.
Keeping my fingers crossed it is just a test situation and will not be entered into the Tranquility server.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.09.06 23:38:00 -
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Photonics dropped like rain the first month or so. We had so many we'd recycle them. Now they are too common and I think the only way to nerf them is to reduce CPU...LAME. But what can you do. Train Electrionics!
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Klatuu
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Posted - 2003.09.07 00:28:00 -
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you're kidding, right? photonics are going down to 8%? Geez, talk about using a sledgehammer.
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.09.07 00:48:00 -
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it was only a matter of time, every top named version of an item is 1.2x of the base stats
ex : 250mm proto dmg mod is 3, which is 1.2x the 250mm RG's 2.5x dmg mod
the photonic cpu is now 1.2x of the normal cpu (7%) when it was more like 7% + 20% = 27% before...
if ud have bothered checking eve-db ud have seen that even the tech 5 cpu was worse than the tech 1 photonic cpu... bit weird no ?
instead of whinning, find new ways ot equip your ship...
adapt or die 
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.07 01:05:00 -
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Find new ways = get a setup that requires less CPU = worse. 
I do understand WHY they nerfed it, but it still isn't that good...
Basic co: 15%
Co-processor: 18%
Photonic: 21,6%
Sounds more reasonable. Of course other tech levels will have to be adjusted as well.
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Caillech
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Posted - 2003.09.07 01:16:00 -
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the unofficial reason for the change is cause when tech5 sometime in the future comes out the cpu mods would be better than tech5 ...
and that just isnt right :)
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.07 01:50:00 -
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the unofficial reason for the change is cause when tech5 sometime in the future comes out the cpu mods would be better than tech5 ...
and that just isnt right :)
My suggestion would solve that "problem".
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.09.07 03:16:00 -
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Yet another good module smashed into a million pieces by the CCP Sledgehammer, which is then followed by a steam roller to crush and flatten the remaining million pieces.
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Arch Aggelos
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Posted - 2003.09.07 05:52:00 -
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Just as we all got over the "injustice" of good ore bing moved out of empire space, so will you all get over the "nerfing" of Photonic CPU enhancers. You do have to admit, giving more than 1/4 extra CPU is a bit excessive...
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2003.09.07 07:02:00 -
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Edited by: TimeKeepr on 07/09/2003 07:03:38
hmm, not a problem...ive always avoided using cpu enhancers in favor of something more useful, like weapon upgrades or something. elec 5 and weapon upgrades 4 helps my cpu quite a bit
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Krowe
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Posted - 2003.09.07 11:11:00 -
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Are there not enough complaints about other unbalances that CCP has to mess with something else and create more?
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Khyan
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Posted - 2003.09.07 11:20:00 -
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i agree 27% was a bit much, but dropping it to 8%??? how about 14%-15%?
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Boneca
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Posted - 2003.09.07 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Boneca on 07/09/2003 11:26:07
Edited by: Boneca on 07/09/2003 11:25:01
These items have always seemed overpowered when you remember that R C units allow no more than a 10% boost,even the tech2 ones i have seen. Pilots requiring a CPU boost rather than a Power boost have had a big advantage in this respect up until now.
Surely this is just the sort of balancing we need to these "Uber" items.
We are only just seeing the introduction of tech2, tech1 should have failings in all our eyes cos it is only just above basic stuff.
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2003.09.07 14:08:00 -
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Where's the proof that this is going to happen? Or is it just a rumor?
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Jad'Quer Deltoir
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Posted - 2003.09.07 16:07:00 -
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Well guys you are forgetting they are introducing some tech II .. that should even it up right?
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Arch Aggelos
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Posted - 2003.09.07 18:21:00 -
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i agree 27% was a bit much, but dropping it to 8%??? how about 14%-15%?
Remember, we've gotta get these things all the way up to Tech Level 5. So unless you want Tech5 to be a 100% boost, then yes, 8% seems about right.
Think to the future of Eve, not to your selfish desires.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.09.07 18:31:00 -
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heh time to sell them
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Wodka
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Posted - 2003.09.07 20:21:00 -
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photonics are now down to 7.2% on test this means they are almost the same as co processors anyway now they are useless
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.09.07 21:52:00 -
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those of you who are moaning that you now won't be able to have "_ber config MkV" - why are you bothered?
Why did you need that _ber config? To combat someone elses _ber config? But they can't HAVE that config anymore, so you're not actually losing ANYTHING.
The thing I'm going to miss is putting it on an apoc to fit Miner II's. bah.
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Khyan
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:49:00 -
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did they change the nanomechanical ones?
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Knaar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 02:00:00 -
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IMHO 8% is totally 100% useless... I think they should raise the normal CPU enhancer's stats so that the photonic CPU stays roughly the same, perhaps a little tiny bit lower. Even 15% is usefull... anything less and the module becomes useless because you need too many of them to make it worth your while. If a tech 5 enhancer is crappier than a tech 1 photonic, then raise the damn stats on the tech 5 enhancers... that's my two cents anyway.
Knaar
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Reapers Wrath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 02:20:00 -
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Sigh, I guess no one will be able to stack miner II's on a thorax anymore (without filling up low slots with co-processors).
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:04:00 -
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28% to 8% ouch.... Talk about overnerf. Be nice if they had some way to grandfather this kind of change in.
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Paul Dubois
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:51:00 -
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Like the man said, everyone will be in the same boat. And its supposed to be difficult to fit your ship with all the nifty equipment, you have to make choices and compromises, personally I think it makes fitting out your ship more interesting and also makes your skills more important.
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Bashar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 16:52:00 -
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So it can't just be photonics...
What are the nanoelectric nanomechanical and quantums cpus at now? there's not a lot of room between a coprocessor 1 and a photonic for those other rares now is there? Is this going to be another item where there are 4 rare versions and they are all the same stats like power diagnostics and so many other pointless rares?
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Talhlia
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Posted - 2003.09.09 00:34:00 -
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TOO MUCH!!! Please please adjust the CPU bonus on Tech2+ equipment.
With the new stacking rules with this nerf will make it all but impossible for cruisers to mine as well as they do now.
You're basically forcing me and my corpmates to use BS to mine in because of the CPU requirements.
This effectively is making all mining lasers use 20% more CPU than they do today.
This will also impact the ability for people to mine as effectively.
Please, please reconsider this change. 
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Hyrii
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Posted - 2003.09.09 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Hyrii on 09/09/2003 02:42:53
Edited by: Hyrii on 09/09/2003 02:42:23
its the standard we have to much push us back to keep us playing technique that is become quite old.
btw - stacking nerf does not apply to cpu
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Darth Maul
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Posted - 2003.09.09 06:17:00 -
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Typical CCP over nerf. I mean.. have they nerfed a SINGLE thing yet that needed a minor tweak and so make a minor adjustment? NO! They go in shooting from the hip and totally descimate whatever they had in their nerf bat crosshairs - Weapons skills, MWD's, Stacking formula, loot drops anyone?
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2003.09.09 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 09/09/2003 17:03:02
I had a whine about this change gimping my battleship in another thread but thinking it over and now being sober(!), I've had another more sensible thought.
The critical issue in my mind here is time, time spent in game, valuable RL time that is used to play the game because it is supposed to be fun.
What do a lot of people spend most of their time doing in game right now? Right, mining.
What is the least fun part of the game right now? Right, mining.
Now that your CPU is gonna be nerfed to death with the Death Star Ray of all nerfs, guess what you won't be able to fit as many of to your ship? Right, mining lasers.
So guess what we all will have to spend more time doing? Right, mining.
So basically a nerf that appears to be an attempt to rebalance the tech levels is gonna cost us all hours more in mining time. Guess what CCP people don't play this game to sit staring at asteroids all bloody day. To make the game more fun we need to be able to mine faster not slower. I'm not suggesting instant uber mining but just less damn game time.... :(
Be careful with the nerf's that slow gameplay and progress down, longevity is only a good thing if people are interested and having fun.
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Lt Karot
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Posted - 2003.09.09 18:12:00 -
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BLOODY WELL SAID Blacklight...I know if mining take longer than it does now I'll be canceling atleast 2 of my 3 accounts. Why did I bust my ass to get 3 battleships??? so I could mine more efficently, NOT so I could go get 300 Million ISK blown up in 3.5 seconds by some pirate with a bad hair day. Pirates have their place, and for the most part my respect (Fear)
But mining is my bread and butter, and if I gotta use all my low slots for cpu enhancers just to run my cu vapors and no room for expanders or overdrives...Well it's not gonna be worth my 90 bucks for 3 months to continue this game
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TFC Grimwill
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:33:00 -
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I have a suggestion....
Instead of whining....
Improvise, adapt and overcome!
ps. Instead of threatening to leave, just leave. If you no longer care to play this game then fine, the rest of us would hardly care you left or knew you existed anyway. In other words, quit the childish tantrums. If you dont agree with something put down your arguments clearly and concisely. Do any of you whiners who threaten to leave actually think your posts are being taken into consideration??? If I was a dev I would roll my eyes and move on to the next post. You are not helping yourselves in the least.
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Trillian Dent
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:18:00 -
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Well what can I say?
Well only one thing: The universe is not giving you what you want, but what u need ;-)
cheers m8s
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Talhlia
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Posted - 2003.09.10 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: Talhlia on 10/09/2003 02:40:29
I don't understand what the problem is with the 27.2% Photonic CPU Enhancers. Photonic CPU Enhancers are already VERY rare and thus what's the problem?
Basically because of the stacking rules and the nerfages to Photonics, the price of Photonics will go though the roof in price. Why would anyone want to buy a lower level CPU then?
Below was the schedule for all the CPU enhancers in the game before this change.
Basic Co-Processor (-6%)
Co-Processor I (-7%)
Co-Processor II (-8%)
Co-Processor III (-9%)
Co-Processor IV (-10%)
Nanoelectrical Co-Processor I (-11.3%)
Nanoelectrical Co-Processor II (-12.35%)
Nanoelectrical Co-Processor III (-13.4%)
Nanoelectrical Co-Processor IV (-14.45%)
Nanoelectrical Co-Processor V (-15.5%)
Nanomechanical CPU Enchancer I (-16.6%)
Nanomechanical CPU Enchancer II (-17.7%)
Nanomechanical CPU Enchancer III (-18.8%)
Nanomechanical CPU Enchancer IV (-19.9%)
Nanomechanical CPU Enchancer V (-21%)
Quantum Co-Processor I (-21.9%)
Quantum Co-Processor II (-23.05%)
Quantum Co-Processor III (-24.2%)
Quantum Co-Processor IV (-25.35%)
Quantum Co-Processor V (-26.5%)
Photonic CPU Enhancer I (-27.2%)
Photonic CPU Enhancer II (-28.4%)
Photonic CPU Enhancer III (-29.6%)
Photonic CPU Enhancer IV (-30.8%)
Photonic CPU Enhancer V (-32%)
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2003.09.10 03:38:00 -
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The word "co-processor" would normally indicate a doubling in CPU power if you only have 1 CPU to start off with, no? If I got another co-processor for the SGI Octane2 that I use at work, and it only increased my cpu outpout power by 8%, I would have it sent back as a defective chip.
Could we get some clarification to this logic please?
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StarWolfer
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Posted - 2003.09.11 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: StarWolfer on 11/09/2003 02:16:02
Bah, I absolutely don't like it... Why do they stick their head in the sand and change it, while so many people are begging CCP not to change it.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.09.11 03:41:00 -
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The word "co-processor" would normally indicate a doubling in CPU power if you only have 1 CPU to start off with, no? If I got another co-processor for the SGI Octane2 that I use at work, and it only increased my cpu outpout power by 8%, I would have it sent back as a defective chip.
Could we get some clarification to this logic please?
Dual Processor systems never give you a 100% performance boost, they dont even give you a 50% performance boost.
Depending on what you are doing, the performance boost is anywhere from 20-30%.
As for the co-processor, the co-processor doesnt need to be a copy of the original, it could be a floating point co-processor that helps with math calculations, or any number of smaller CPU's.
Remember, the old intel CPU's had a seperate math co-processor, it didnt boost the potential of the CPU by 100%, it only gave a marginal increase in performance.
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
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