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Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:18:00 - [61] yes... the poetry was a new angle.. and in all its glory it pwned face.. ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:46:00 - [62] Originally by: jamesw As I have mentioned in the other "Naverin wants to live in his hole and never come out" thread, EVE is about player interaction. By implementing regional ice, CCP Encourage that. It makes perfect sense that one region would be plentiful in a particular resource, but not so in others. That it does. But without delving further into it, so does many other things that have been throdden under foot in the name of game mechanics. Originally by: jamesw So its more difficult to use a Gallente tower in Amarr ice space - BIG EFFING DEAL! If you need a Gallente on over an Amarr one so badly, it is obviously going to be cost effective to truck in the ICE. Same goes for Dreads and other cap ships. Difference between dreads and POS's is that you don't train quite a long time for a race specific POS - in fact you dont train race specific at all for them. They comes with benefits and deficits - and you can pick what you like, no matter where you live and what racial tendency there has been in your skill training. Same is not true for dreads. You don't just swith to the dread that suits the situation. And it can be argued that you picked your dread before they were even in the game, and their game mechanics known, because they rely heavily upon what racial ship line you have favoured until then. Then your answer might be; Live with it. And thats one opinion that has a valid position in the debate. Just don't think its in linewith how character races have been handled so far in this game. It was introduced with the jump drive driven ships. It might be even more segregated with factional warfare. And thats basically what I want Oveur to expand on. Cause that could be devastating to many groups in the game. Originally by: jamesw My understanding is that the introduction of Outposts was exactly what was meant to encourage this trade. There is no place for the "sit in my little box and have every resource I need at my doorstep" in EVE.... Well actually there is, but you have to get someone to bring it to your doorstep There is a difference between wanting it easy and wanting a playing field thats somewhat level as far as character races go - no matter the geographical position. Equally hard is good for me. Or at least somewhat equally. Might not be what the OP meant - but thats my opinion at least. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:57:00 - [63] It is equally hard. Amarr, Gallente and Minnie dread pilots living up in Tenal and Branch etc would have a fun time running their dreads, too (those are the "incorrect" dreads for that area, right?). Dreads are a team excersise (There is no "I" in Dreadnought ). If your alliance is too busy losing unescorted freighters to supply your dreads with adequate fuel, I would venture to suggest that you need to find yourself a new alliance. -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.03.08 00:28:00 - [64] Edited by: Trak Cranker on 08/03/2006 00:30:11 Edited by: Trak Cranker on 08/03/2006 00:28:57 Originally by: jamesw It is equally hard. Amarr, Gallente and Minnie dread pilots living up in Tenal and Branch etc would have a fun time running their dreads, too (those are the "incorrect" dreads for that area, right?). Dreads are a team excersise (There is no "I" in Dreadnought ). If your alliance is too busy losing unescorted freighters to supply your dreads with adequate fuel, I would venture to suggest that you need to find yourself a new alliance. I maintain that given a geographical position its not equally hard. And you manage to contradict yourself on that subject in the the two first sentences. Only a pig in an Orson Welles novel operates with the "more equal than some is also equal" and thinks he's smarter for it. How many times can one say that it is not the team exercise or thats the problem? Thats its not the difficulty or _a_ difficulty thats the problem. But the fact that training for a dread is such a large commitment for a player, that having geographical limitations to the use of it, seems a harsh impediment introduced solely based on the racial type of ship - and its only imposed on the ships and characters that have committed much training and isk to do a quite specific thing. Why not for ALL ships of a certain race, then? I maintain that I think its a game design decision thats creating a precedence that I do not think will be good for the game in the long run. If you DO think racial segregation would be a blast, then state so. But please stop commenting on my post as if I want things easier. I am not a member of a 0.0 based alliance and I do not fly or own a dread. Nor do I operate in organisations that do so in 0.0. I just think the development needs a debate that goes beyond "Thats the way it is. Live with it", as the full implications of it would make living in Eve very potentially hellish on the groups, organisations and friendships already formed in the game. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.08 00:36:00 - [65] Originally by: Trak Cranker I maintain that given a geographical position its not equally hard. And you manage to contradict yourself on that subject in the the two first sentences. Only a pig in an Orson Welles novel operates with the "more equal than some is also equal" and thinks he's smarter for it. How many times can one say that it is not the team exercise or thats the problem? Thats its not the difficulty or _a_ difficulty thats the problem. But the fact that training for a dread is such a large commitment for a player, that having geographical limitations to the use of it, seems a harsh impediment introduced solely based on the racial type of ship - and its only imposed on the ships and characters that have committed much training and isk to do a quite specific thing. Why not for ALL ships of a certain race, then? I maintain that I think its a game design decision thats creating a precedence that I do not think will be good for the game in the long run. If you DO think racial segregation would be a blast, then state so. But please stop commenting on my post as if I want things easier. I am not a member of an alliance and I do not fly or own a dread. Nor do I operate in organisations that do so in 0.0. I just think the development needs a debate that goes beyond "Thats the way it is. Live with it", as the full implications of it would make living in Eve very potentially hellish on the groups, organisations and friendships already formed in the game. As I have posted already, the geographical limitations of not using the "Correct Dread" only come into effect if the team supporting you is unable to, well, support you! If they can support you, the training time you have made can be put to good use by all involved. You now have a mixed dread fleet - what a huge advantage! Where your enemies could previously predict what type of damage to tank (and deal) on their POS, they now have to use extra resources to tank it all! They cannot predict what damage, range, or tanking will be used on your Dreadnoughts meaning they spend more resources on guns and pos tanking mods. This is the clear advantage that gets countered by the clear need needing to supply these dreads with ice. It is not about racial segregation, making Amarr dreads live in Amarr regions and Gallente in Gallente etc etc - it is about giving an advantage to those teams who put in the extra effort to support their members and further their own capabilities... -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Kai Lae	Posted - 2006.03.08 04:13:00 - [66] Edited by: Kai Lae on 08/03/2006 04:13:00 Originally by: jamesw (freighters to protect etc, something Tribal Souls is very good at). ] rofl
Kipkruide	Posted - 2006.03.08 09:55:00 - [67] Edited by: Kipkruide on 08/03/2006 09:56:20 Dreads aren;t really a problem, teh amount of ice they use comapared to runnig posses is negligable. Oh, should i be yelling , down Nav down yet ? or can we leave it at getting pwned by jamesw's poem. nice one btw. rofl
Hehulk	Posted - 2006.03.08 10:26:00 - [68] Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 You've got to be joking? Someone actually whinging enough to get generic ice? ---------- Chief Patronising Officer - Black Sea Industries Shareholder In O'Mara Shipyards
Admiral Keyes	Posted - 2006.03.08 10:47:00 - [69] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread jamesw wins Eve Absolutely quality! ----------------------------------- HaHaHa! This sig is edit proof! Sadly, it appears so. -Capsicum \o/ I Am Invincible \o/
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.03.08 10:48:00 - [70] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.08 11:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Hehulk Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 You've got to be joking? Someone actually whinging enough to get generic ice? No, Naverin tried and eventually resorted to spreading some bull that it had been changed. Toxicfire was taken in for a bit as was I. When I found out the next day all the folks telling me it was true had based that on what one of Naverin's alts had been saying the penny dropped. Right about the same time Oveur said a resounding no to the idea. We know the truth now. I hope tha clears that up. "I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are." - Zulu proverb.
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.09 15:57:00 - [72] Im going to go ahead and vote that.. me making everyone think Ice fields had changed has got to be the best Rumor of 2006 thus far.. Shame i got pwned by a Dev in the process... but It was worth it =) ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.11 00:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Naverin Im going to go ahead and vote that.. me making everyone think Ice fields had changed has got to be the best Rumor of 2006 thus far.. Shame i got pwned by a Dev in the process... but It was worth it =) You can stop tooting your own horn. I never thought you got anything changed. Granted, I could care less about ice fields, but that's a minor detail. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Fogy	Posted - 2006.03.17 13:35:00 - [74] Thats probably why BoB use Revelations (or what ever the amarr dread is named) Delve is rich on "Amarr Ice" why didnt Tribal Soul think about that.. :lol: Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity" ♥RUBRA♥
Naverin	Posted - 2006.04.11 20:13:00 - [75] So yeah this thread pwned. now my question is.. Why does everyone assume "Tribal souls" = Naverin posting. its my dread.. its my fuel.. tribalsouls has nothing to do with it.. weird that people make that comparison ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.11 20:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Naverin So yeah this thread pwned. now my question is.. Why does everyone assume "Tribal souls" = Naverin posting. its my dread.. its my fuel.. tribalsouls has nothing to do with it.. weird that people make that comparison Yay necromancy!
Posaltnav	Posted - 2007.09.25 16:14:00 - [77] lulz
Amantus Gallente Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2007.09.25 16:25:00 - [78] ... Thanks for that pointless necro. ------------

CCP Morpheus	Posted - 2007.09.25 16:25:00 - [79] Originally by: Posaltnav lulz Not cool, dude. click


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