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Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Naverin on 06/03/2006 16:36:56 living out in the sticks of eve if you will.. Paragon soul Logistics is a nightmare.. NPC bought fuel is one of the Only reasons left i have to go to empire.. Lets end that need shall we. Outposts should have NPC Pos fuel seeded.. that is all. EDIT If someone comes in here and says.. you should use the "Correct" Somthing.. god save us all.. ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
ToxicFire	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:39:00 - [2] Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2
Colonel O'Neill	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:42:00 - [3] They should seed Station containers too... // Colonel O'Neill
Simon Illian	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Simon Illian on 06/03/2006 16:42:01 use the player interaction, pay someone to bring you'r fuel .. and voila problem solved !
ToxicFire	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:49:00 - [5] Actually it would make life easier to seed everything in every region and change the price to 100isk like the test server, honestly its the way forward
Ti anna	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Ti anna on 06/03/2006 16:52:45 Actually, I tend to agree. Both the containers and goods for POS's continued operation should be available from stations in 0.0 or from outposts. I would love to live out in the styx (yes spelled that way on purpose for the spellin police) permanently, but logistics tend to make an extended sojourn a nightmare. Ice products should continue to be player obtained the hard way :P P.S. Don't try the trite "Try some player interraction to get your items from empire" Bullpucky, there is more player interraction in 0.0 than almost anywhere in empire. We actually interract with, not ignore, those around us.
Filan	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Colonel O'Neill They should seed Station containers too... or atleast let them be folded up and fit into a freighter. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bps, ty - Cortes
MuffinsRevenger	Posted - 2006.03.06 17:11:00 - [8] to sum it up: don't gank the haulers comming into your space
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.03.06 17:14:00 - [9] Why aren't titans being seeded into my hangar then?
Gierling	Posted - 2006.03.06 17:14:00 - [10] Not all outposts, make the heretofore useless ADMIN outpost have a (NPC) market. SPecifically have NPC's apply for office space and when you accept it thats one less office for you, however they will setup agents in your tation, with NPC's of the corresponding types (Don't let serpentis in your station unless you want to see Serpentis NPC's in that system). PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
Kaaii	Posted - 2006.03.06 18:09:00 - [11] Whats next, deleting all trader characters?? "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.." Tradeing 101
Justice Starcatcher	Posted - 2006.03.06 18:26:00 - [12] Outposts should NOT have POS fuel seeded. The logistics are supposed to be a nightmare. That is the whole background to the game. 0.0 regions are not independant of the empires, and still require support from them. I would say that full independance will not be achievable untill we have planetary interaction. What the...
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.06 18:33:00 - [13] What the person above me said, If you don't like it Goto Empire but 8 Billion worth of the stuff and put in on market down there. Theres you market seeding. Now stop being lazy ________________________________ Club Seals, Not Sandwichs
Arcadia1701	Posted - 2006.03.06 18:37:00 - [14] pos fuel isnt seeeded at all anywere as far as i knew, its totaly player mined.
Lisento Slaven	Posted - 2006.03.06 19:07:00 - [15] Awesome. NPC stations SHOULD have fuels in them. But they should only have the correct fuels in them. Why would they even have fuel they don't need? Pff, they rely on the Correct Fuel (tm).
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.06 19:15:00 - [16] Suggesting a change that would make your life easier with little to no regard for the consequences isn't the way to improve eve. The alliances with the best logistics can handle these issues fine. Moving away from player-driven markets isn't going to happen so I'm not even going to argue against this. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Lisa Run	Posted - 2006.03.06 20:13:00 - [17] Edited by: Lisa Run on 06/03/2006 20:14:25 An outpost could reduce the fuel requirements of the poses in that system. How much ? Don't know. Was just an idea for more outposts. Would also mean an advantage for the defender in a pos-war. Don't know, if that makes sense. It just came into my mind.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.06 20:16:00 - [18] here i'm gonna have to say, no, get a player to haul it for you. this is about making eve easy for everyone, not just those flying the correct dread (tm) and if you dare bump this, i'll whine sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Lisa Run	Posted - 2006.03.06 20:21:00 - [19] A freighter with jumpdrive maybe ... Sorry, wasn't serious and sorry for the /bump ;)

Oveur	Posted - 2006.03.06 21:14:00 - [20] Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 Well, I'd say something in a nice way except that statement of your has absolutely no truth to it. Racial ice is there to stay. Oh, and to OP, no. Senior Producer EVE Online

Professor McFly	Posted - 2006.03.06 21:25:00 - [21] Oveur strikes your post perfectly, wrecking for pwnage. __________________ Retard's handbook
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.06 21:28:00 - [22] ok... so i cant get racial ice in all 0.0.. I cant get NPC bought Fuels in Outposts.. I will settle with a never ending bistot Asteroid outside my Outpost plz.. Thanks for the reply. (can we at least buff up the Amarr Towers some sence thats the only towers i use cause of ice..) ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.03.06 21:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Naverin Thanks for the reply. (can we at least buff up the Amarr Towers some sence thats the only towers i use cause of ice..) So you admit to using the correct tower?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.06 21:56:00 - [24] now get the correct dread sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.06 22:07:00 - [25] I have the correct dread.. I just wanted to whine :/ ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.03.06 22:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 Well, I'd say something in a nice way except that statement of your has absolutely no truth to it. Racial ice is there to stay. Oh, and to OP, no. Cruel Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.06 22:51:00 - [27] Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Ralus	Posted - 2006.03.06 22:54:00 - [28] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.06 23:01:00 - [29] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread you win the forums today sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin

Oveur	Posted - 2006.03.06 23:19:00 - [30] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread you win the forums today Bwaaaahahahahahahaa. Senior Producer EVE Online

Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.06 23:47:00 - [31] At least i can say the Developers never talk to me... Even if they are Pwning me.. ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.03.06 23:47:00 - [32] Forget ice, what about containers? It's a real nightmare trying to get individual corp-mates their own personal storage without using containers and hauling them from Empire is a bit silly. It doesn't change anything in the way of game dynamics, it just makes things easier, less of a headache, for poor CEOs like me
MellaRinn	Posted - 2006.03.06 23:49:00 - [33] Originally by: ToxicFire Actually it would make life easier to seed everything in every region and change the price to 100isk like the test server, honestly its the way forward This joke made my day!! --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Jonis Sinmaker	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Forget ice, what about containers? It's a real nightmare trying to get individual corp-mates their own personal storage without using containers and hauling them from Empire is a bit silly. It doesn't change anything in the way of game dynamics, it just makes things easier, less of a headache, for poor CEOs like me Agreed...Station Containers FTW Semper Fi Jonis Sinmaker Bring back Mines
Vika Tanin	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 Well, I'd say something in a nice way except that statement of your has absolutely no truth to it. Racial ice is there to stay. Oh, and to OP, no. Can you at least seed some Station Can or GSC BPO's? Its a bloody nightmare trying to organise the Rat loot collection out here!
Taran Blake	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:44:00 - [36] ^^^Bloody alt post...
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2006.03.07 06:50:00 - [37] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.07 06:58:00 - [38] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread If this post were pk you'd have just won EVE. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.03.07 07:16:00 - [39] hearing this talk about a lack of logistic support from empire to 0.0 for POS fuel makes me wish I was established enough to build a corporation to satisfy the demand. oh well, maybe when I eventually get that Charon
zoturi	Posted - 2006.03.07 07:21:00 - [40] good luck on going to empire from there..
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.03.07 07:27:00 - [41] if I were part of a transport contract designed to fuel a POS from anywhere, and any place in low sec space, I wouldn't be alone.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.03.07 07:56:00 - [42] I think upcoming Contract system will eventually allow that players can buy player mined ice and get 'em hauled to 0.0 space. Unnerf Amarr!! '.. in your chase after the imaginary "endgame fun"... which actually doesn't exist.' j0sephine
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.07 08:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Vincent Gaines hearing this talk about a lack of logistic support from empire to 0.0 for POS fuel makes me wish I was established enough to build a corporation to satisfy the demand. oh well, maybe when I eventually get that Charon No need. Sub-contract. Get other folk to mine it, get more folk to deliver it to a hi-sec staging area then haul it into the POS at the arranged time and dump it in cans outside the forcefield. The more bits you do yourself the bigger your margin but the less you can get done in a week. Good luck "I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are." - Zulu proverb.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.03.07 09:19:00 - [44] IMO seeding all the outposts with all the trade goods would not be a good thing. However, I do think that having each outpost producing one or two of the necessary ones for starbase operation would be helpful. I suppose that does mean that if somone built 4 outposts they could run their starbases 'in region' but ... But you know, all these problems go away if you just use the Correct Dread. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
ToxicFire	Posted - 2006.03.07 11:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 Well, I'd say something in a nice way except that statement of your has absolutely no truth to it. Racial ice is there to stay. Oh, and to OP, no. PWNAGE to make you feel moist. I was working from two now defunct posts when i said that
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.03.07 12:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace No need. Sub-contract. Get other folk to mine it, get more folk to deliver it to a hi-sec staging area then haul it into the POS at the arranged time and dump it in cans outside the forcefield. The more bits you do yourself the bigger your margin but the less you can get done in a week. Good luck Exactly. At a point it's not just the margin but the hours saved doing other things, not to mention a fleet and workers that are likely to do more with greater effectiveness. Since I am new I can only assume, but I'm sure many POSs have the newer and lower ranked do most of the mining and hauling (If I'm wrong forgive me). While this may be cheaper, having higher tech mine and haul would get it done faster even if your involvement is minimal. instead of subbing out mining, hauling, and escort (if it's required) than just consider one contract which handles all logistic support for a POS. That one corp should be able to sub out the security themselves (or have some ofthe POS handle it) but have the fleet to handle it. Even with my tiny little emerging corp it's hard to get things organized because the lack of pure direct communication, so having an arrainged time to do it might not always work out, not to mention losses in mining and hauling even in higher sec. When mining in empire I feel you always need escort, no matter what ship I'm mining with. We have an escort gate checking and scouting belts ahead as well. So doing the entire support yourself would cost you manpower in security, extraction, and transport. With a contract on a company dedicated to support of a POS, you may only have to worry about security, or no manpower at all. In the long run you save ships, pilots, and time.
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.07 12:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Telemicus Thrace No need. Sub-contract. Get other folk to mine it, get more folk to deliver it to a hi-sec staging area then haul it into the POS at the arranged time and dump it in cans outside the forcefield. The more bits you do yourself the bigger your margin but the less you can get done in a week. Good luck Exactly. At a point it's not just the margin but the hours saved doing other things, not to mention a fleet and workers that are likely to do more with greater effectiveness. Since I am new I can only assume, but I'm sure many POSs have the newer and lower ranked do most of the mining and hauling (If I'm wrong forgive me). While this may be cheaper, having higher tech mine and haul would get it done faster even if your involvement is minimal. instead of subbing out mining, hauling, and escort (if it's required) than just consider one contract which handles all logistic support for a POS. That one corp should be able to sub out the security themselves (or have some ofthe POS handle it) but have the fleet to handle it. Even with my tiny little emerging corp it's hard to get things organized because the lack of pure direct communication, so having an arrainged time to do it might not always work out, not to mention losses in mining and hauling even in higher sec. When mining in empire I feel you always need escort, no matter what ship I'm mining with. We have an escort gate checking and scouting belts ahead as well. So doing the entire support yourself would cost you manpower in security, extraction, and transport. With a contract on a company dedicated to support of a POS, you may only have to worry about security, or no manpower at all. In the long run you save ships, pilots, and time. I didn't mean subbie out to quite that degree. Worth a try if you want. I reckon by the time you sub out the running of your POS you would be better off just buying the output of somebody elses POS. I was just refering to the fella that wanted to sell fuel to POS owners, he'd be able to get more through put in hauling and mining if he payed some folk to help him mine and haul without having to worry about having an organised corp. "I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are." - Zulu proverb.
Milkminer	Posted - 2006.03.07 12:34:00 - [48] Edited by: Milkminer on 07/03/2006 12:35:35 Ive not read the whole thread but id say this argument should of been presented very differently. Instead of saying what you want, give a system for it to work, for instance: Outpost owner decides he wants to add a NPC "vendor" to his Outpost, this NPC requires X in compensation for living in your station, this could be minerals or a set list of items (maybe add afew special drops to RAT's which are used to give the NPC's but they should be rare so not to make it to easy, deep 0.0 isnt all fun and games). The NPC will then supply X items on the market at slightly above empire costs (as its an alternative, its still ur choice if u wanna buy them items). Now, this would involve Outposts to be enhanced in certain ways, lets call then "hook points" as thats what they are called in other games, a set amount of slots which allow you to add something to them, in this case NPC "vendors". This would also enhance public Outposts and encourage 0.0 activity. Although saying that, 0.0 has never be so busy.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.03.07 20:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I didn't mean subbie out to quite that degree. Worth a try if you want. I reckon by the time you sub out the running of your POS you would be better off just buying the output of somebody elses POS. I was just refering to the fella that wanted to sell fuel to POS owners, he'd be able to get more through put in hauling and mining if he payed some folk to help him mine and haul without having to worry about having an organised corp. true, and to also catch on the point above, if I read your post right you are still cutting out the point of having a POS, that you have to manage and sustain the POS. even using an NPC "agent" for materials would be the same as seeding roids in the same system. I assume that having a POS is supposed to be very difficult and require an organized group to run, thus keeping out the random gang taking one over and able to raise havoc as they wish, and also to keep nubes (like myself and my corp :p) from running them. Thrace, I agree. As a new player, one thing I see a lack of in eve is the presense of large-scale support logistics organizations, and the same for mining operations. By buying output from another POS you're still forming a dependency instead of actually using a solution (this is in my opinion though). I would love to see instead of a division of corporate part-time miners or small mining companies, something to the effect of a large scale alliance. An issue with the current POS system is that a corp is forced into a vertical conglomerate, controlling everything from supply to distrobution, when in some cases it's not bad (especially if it's a very large corp, but forcing corps that can't handle it to do what incites failure, namely in space that is extremely dangerous to anything not geared and tooled up. For this I understand why many are complaining. I'm drawn into eve for the business aspect more than the fighting one, so I hope one day that industrial alliances can become a "reality" in eve.
Xelios	Posted - 2006.03.07 21:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Naverin Edited by: Naverin on 06/03/2006 21:31:05 Edited by: Naverin on 06/03/2006 16:36:56 living out in the sticks of eve if you will.. Paragon soul Logistics is a nightmare.. NPC bought fuel is one of the Only reasons left i have to go to empire.. Lets end that need shall we. Outposts should have NPC Pos fuel seeded.. that is all. EDIT If someone comes in here and says.. you should use the "Correct" Somthing.. god save us all.. If the logistics are too nightmarish we'll gladly take the wasteland back for a small fee Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Zubenelgenubi	Posted - 2006.03.07 21:21:00 - [51] jamesw for King
Mr Bondy	Posted - 2006.03.07 21:53:00 - [52] This is why people dont give naverin a link to the forum - Mineing posts everywhere u Should see his "nav protects the veld" vid Naverin a.k.a "The Veldspar King" P.S T2 ice miners plz :) and some pills for nav
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.03.07 22:20:00 - [53] Originally by: James Lyrus But you know, all these problems go away if you just use the Correct Dread. Did someone call me?
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.03.07 22:54:00 - [54] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread This makes the point - and stunningly elegant, if I may say so - I would REALLY like Oveur to comment on. Can we expect racial segregation to be increased? Because that is what it does, after the introduction of jump drive driven ships. Now you are punished for flying ships of specific races depending on geographic position. If thats the agenda, I think its about time people were given more than hints, so precautions can be taken. And it would be a bit late to introduce that kind a barrier between corp and alliance mates, if you ask me. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread If this post were pk you'd have just won EVE. jamesw hasn't already won eve? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Trak Cranker Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread This makes the point - and stunningly elegant, if I may say so - I would REALLY like Oveur to comment on. Can we expect racial segregation to be increased? Because that is what it does, after the introduction of jump drive driven ships. Now you are punished for flying ships of specific races depending on geographic position. If thats the agenda, I think its about time people were given more than hints, so precautions can be taken. And it would be a bit late to introduce that kind a barrier between corp and alliance mates, if you ask me. The point i was making was really... well there was no point, I just wanted to pay out Naverin . As I have mentioned in the other "Naverin wants to live in his hole and never come out" thread, EVE is about player interaction. By implementing regional ice, CCP Encourage that. It makes perfect sense that one region would be plentiful in a particular resource, but not so in others. Trade into the 0.0 regions of varying ice products feeds the empire economy, it feeds the pvp economy (freighters to protect etc, something Tribal Souls is very good at). Alliances may be able to set up ICE deals with suppliers in return for high end minerals, etc etc. So its more difficult to use a Gallente tower in Amarr ice space - BIG EFFING DEAL! If you need a Gallente on over an Amarr one so badly, it is obviously going to be cost effective to truck in the ICE. Same goes for Dreads and other cap ships. My understanding is that the introduction of Outposts was exactly what was meant to encourage this trade. There is no place for the "sit in my little box and have every resource I need at my doorstep" in EVE.... Well actually there is, but you have to get someone to bring it to your doorstep -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:05:00 - [57] Originally by: HippoKing now get the correct dread rofl, I liked that dude "Get the correct Dread" "WTF? A correct dread?"
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:06:00 - [58] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: HippoKing now get the correct dread rofl, I liked that dude "Get the correct Dread" "WTF? A correct dread?" There was another Naverin thread where that phrase got coined... let me dig up a link -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:12:00 - [59] Naverin threads usually end up in a dev replying.. and or a new phrase being made.. its a true story.. nods ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Naverin Naverin threads usually end up in a dev replying.. and or a new phrase being made.. its a true story.. nods I bet Poetry is a first, though -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:18:00 - [61] yes... the poetry was a new angle.. and in all its glory it pwned face.. ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:46:00 - [62] Originally by: jamesw As I have mentioned in the other "Naverin wants to live in his hole and never come out" thread, EVE is about player interaction. By implementing regional ice, CCP Encourage that. It makes perfect sense that one region would be plentiful in a particular resource, but not so in others. That it does. But without delving further into it, so does many other things that have been throdden under foot in the name of game mechanics. Originally by: jamesw So its more difficult to use a Gallente tower in Amarr ice space - BIG EFFING DEAL! If you need a Gallente on over an Amarr one so badly, it is obviously going to be cost effective to truck in the ICE. Same goes for Dreads and other cap ships. Difference between dreads and POS's is that you don't train quite a long time for a race specific POS - in fact you dont train race specific at all for them. They comes with benefits and deficits - and you can pick what you like, no matter where you live and what racial tendency there has been in your skill training. Same is not true for dreads. You don't just swith to the dread that suits the situation. And it can be argued that you picked your dread before they were even in the game, and their game mechanics known, because they rely heavily upon what racial ship line you have favoured until then. Then your answer might be; Live with it. And thats one opinion that has a valid position in the debate. Just don't think its in linewith how character races have been handled so far in this game. It was introduced with the jump drive driven ships. It might be even more segregated with factional warfare. And thats basically what I want Oveur to expand on. Cause that could be devastating to many groups in the game. Originally by: jamesw My understanding is that the introduction of Outposts was exactly what was meant to encourage this trade. There is no place for the "sit in my little box and have every resource I need at my doorstep" in EVE.... Well actually there is, but you have to get someone to bring it to your doorstep There is a difference between wanting it easy and wanting a playing field thats somewhat level as far as character races go - no matter the geographical position. Equally hard is good for me. Or at least somewhat equally. Might not be what the OP meant - but thats my opinion at least. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:57:00 - [63] It is equally hard. Amarr, Gallente and Minnie dread pilots living up in Tenal and Branch etc would have a fun time running their dreads, too (those are the "incorrect" dreads for that area, right?). Dreads are a team excersise (There is no "I" in Dreadnought ). If your alliance is too busy losing unescorted freighters to supply your dreads with adequate fuel, I would venture to suggest that you need to find yourself a new alliance. -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.03.08 00:28:00 - [64] Edited by: Trak Cranker on 08/03/2006 00:30:11 Edited by: Trak Cranker on 08/03/2006 00:28:57 Originally by: jamesw It is equally hard. Amarr, Gallente and Minnie dread pilots living up in Tenal and Branch etc would have a fun time running their dreads, too (those are the "incorrect" dreads for that area, right?). Dreads are a team excersise (There is no "I" in Dreadnought ). If your alliance is too busy losing unescorted freighters to supply your dreads with adequate fuel, I would venture to suggest that you need to find yourself a new alliance. I maintain that given a geographical position its not equally hard. And you manage to contradict yourself on that subject in the the two first sentences. Only a pig in an Orson Welles novel operates with the "more equal than some is also equal" and thinks he's smarter for it. How many times can one say that it is not the team exercise or thats the problem? Thats its not the difficulty or _a_ difficulty thats the problem. But the fact that training for a dread is such a large commitment for a player, that having geographical limitations to the use of it, seems a harsh impediment introduced solely based on the racial type of ship - and its only imposed on the ships and characters that have committed much training and isk to do a quite specific thing. Why not for ALL ships of a certain race, then? I maintain that I think its a game design decision thats creating a precedence that I do not think will be good for the game in the long run. If you DO think racial segregation would be a blast, then state so. But please stop commenting on my post as if I want things easier. I am not a member of a 0.0 based alliance and I do not fly or own a dread. Nor do I operate in organisations that do so in 0.0. I just think the development needs a debate that goes beyond "Thats the way it is. Live with it", as the full implications of it would make living in Eve very potentially hellish on the groups, organisations and friendships already formed in the game. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.08 00:36:00 - [65] Originally by: Trak Cranker I maintain that given a geographical position its not equally hard. And you manage to contradict yourself on that subject in the the two first sentences. Only a pig in an Orson Welles novel operates with the "more equal than some is also equal" and thinks he's smarter for it. How many times can one say that it is not the team exercise or thats the problem? Thats its not the difficulty or _a_ difficulty thats the problem. But the fact that training for a dread is such a large commitment for a player, that having geographical limitations to the use of it, seems a harsh impediment introduced solely based on the racial type of ship - and its only imposed on the ships and characters that have committed much training and isk to do a quite specific thing. Why not for ALL ships of a certain race, then? I maintain that I think its a game design decision thats creating a precedence that I do not think will be good for the game in the long run. If you DO think racial segregation would be a blast, then state so. But please stop commenting on my post as if I want things easier. I am not a member of an alliance and I do not fly or own a dread. Nor do I operate in organisations that do so in 0.0. I just think the development needs a debate that goes beyond "Thats the way it is. Live with it", as the full implications of it would make living in Eve very potentially hellish on the groups, organisations and friendships already formed in the game. As I have posted already, the geographical limitations of not using the "Correct Dread" only come into effect if the team supporting you is unable to, well, support you! If they can support you, the training time you have made can be put to good use by all involved. You now have a mixed dread fleet - what a huge advantage! Where your enemies could previously predict what type of damage to tank (and deal) on their POS, they now have to use extra resources to tank it all! They cannot predict what damage, range, or tanking will be used on your Dreadnoughts meaning they spend more resources on guns and pos tanking mods. This is the clear advantage that gets countered by the clear need needing to supply these dreads with ice. It is not about racial segregation, making Amarr dreads live in Amarr regions and Gallente in Gallente etc etc - it is about giving an advantage to those teams who put in the extra effort to support their members and further their own capabilities... -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Kai Lae	Posted - 2006.03.08 04:13:00 - [66] Edited by: Kai Lae on 08/03/2006 04:13:00 Originally by: jamesw (freighters to protect etc, something Tribal Souls is very good at). ] rofl
Kipkruide	Posted - 2006.03.08 09:55:00 - [67] Edited by: Kipkruide on 08/03/2006 09:56:20 Dreads aren;t really a problem, teh amount of ice they use comapared to runnig posses is negligable. Oh, should i be yelling , down Nav down yet ? or can we leave it at getting pwned by jamesw's poem. nice one btw. rofl
Hehulk	Posted - 2006.03.08 10:26:00 - [68] Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 You've got to be joking? Someone actually whinging enough to get generic ice? ---------- Chief Patronising Officer - Black Sea Industries Shareholder In O'Mara Shipyards
Admiral Keyes	Posted - 2006.03.08 10:47:00 - [69] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread jamesw wins Eve Absolutely quality! ----------------------------------- HaHaHa! This sig is edit proof! Sadly, it appears so. -Capsicum \o/ I Am Invincible \o/
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.03.08 10:48:00 - [70] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.08 11:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Hehulk Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 You've got to be joking? Someone actually whinging enough to get generic ice? No, Naverin tried and eventually resorted to spreading some bull that it had been changed. Toxicfire was taken in for a bit as was I. When I found out the next day all the folks telling me it was true had based that on what one of Naverin's alts had been saying the penny dropped. Right about the same time Oveur said a resounding no to the idea. We know the truth now. I hope tha clears that up. "I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are." - Zulu proverb.
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.09 15:57:00 - [72] Im going to go ahead and vote that.. me making everyone think Ice fields had changed has got to be the best Rumor of 2006 thus far.. Shame i got pwned by a Dev in the process... but It was worth it =) ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.11 00:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Naverin Im going to go ahead and vote that.. me making everyone think Ice fields had changed has got to be the best Rumor of 2006 thus far.. Shame i got pwned by a Dev in the process... but It was worth it =) You can stop tooting your own horn. I never thought you got anything changed. Granted, I could care less about ice fields, but that's a minor detail. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Fogy	Posted - 2006.03.17 13:35:00 - [74] Thats probably why BoB use Revelations (or what ever the amarr dread is named) Delve is rich on "Amarr Ice" why didnt Tribal Soul think about that.. :lol: Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity" ♥RUBRA♥
Naverin	Posted - 2006.04.11 20:13:00 - [75] So yeah this thread pwned. now my question is.. Why does everyone assume "Tribal souls" = Naverin posting. its my dread.. its my fuel.. tribalsouls has nothing to do with it.. weird that people make that comparison ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.11 20:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Naverin So yeah this thread pwned. now my question is.. Why does everyone assume "Tribal souls" = Naverin posting. its my dread.. its my fuel.. tribalsouls has nothing to do with it.. weird that people make that comparison Yay necromancy!
Posaltnav	Posted - 2007.09.25 16:14:00 - [77] lulz
Amantus Gallente Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2007.09.25 16:25:00 - [78] ... Thanks for that pointless necro. ------------

CCP Morpheus	Posted - 2007.09.25 16:25:00 - [79] Originally by: Posaltnav lulz Not cool, dude. click


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