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Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.06 23:47:00 - [31] At least i can say the Developers never talk to me... Even if they are Pwning me.. ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.03.06 23:47:00 - [32] Forget ice, what about containers? It's a real nightmare trying to get individual corp-mates their own personal storage without using containers and hauling them from Empire is a bit silly. It doesn't change anything in the way of game dynamics, it just makes things easier, less of a headache, for poor CEOs like me
MellaRinn	Posted - 2006.03.06 23:49:00 - [33] Originally by: ToxicFire Actually it would make life easier to seed everything in every region and change the price to 100isk like the test server, honestly its the way forward This joke made my day!! --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Jonis Sinmaker	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Forget ice, what about containers? It's a real nightmare trying to get individual corp-mates their own personal storage without using containers and hauling them from Empire is a bit silly. It doesn't change anything in the way of game dynamics, it just makes things easier, less of a headache, for poor CEOs like me Agreed...Station Containers FTW Semper Fi Jonis Sinmaker Bring back Mines
Vika Tanin	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 Well, I'd say something in a nice way except that statement of your has absolutely no truth to it. Racial ice is there to stay. Oh, and to OP, no. Can you at least seed some Station Can or GSC BPO's? Its a bloody nightmare trying to organise the Rat loot collection out here!
Taran Blake	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:44:00 - [36] ^^^Bloody alt post...
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2006.03.07 06:50:00 - [37] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.07 06:58:00 - [38] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread If this post were pk you'd have just won EVE. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.03.07 07:16:00 - [39] hearing this talk about a lack of logistic support from empire to 0.0 for POS fuel makes me wish I was established enough to build a corporation to satisfy the demand. oh well, maybe when I eventually get that Charon
zoturi	Posted - 2006.03.07 07:21:00 - [40] good luck on going to empire from there..
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.03.07 07:27:00 - [41] if I were part of a transport contract designed to fuel a POS from anywhere, and any place in low sec space, I wouldn't be alone.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.03.07 07:56:00 - [42] I think upcoming Contract system will eventually allow that players can buy player mined ice and get 'em hauled to 0.0 space. Unnerf Amarr!! '.. in your chase after the imaginary "endgame fun"... which actually doesn't exist.' j0sephine
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.07 08:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Vincent Gaines hearing this talk about a lack of logistic support from empire to 0.0 for POS fuel makes me wish I was established enough to build a corporation to satisfy the demand. oh well, maybe when I eventually get that Charon No need. Sub-contract. Get other folk to mine it, get more folk to deliver it to a hi-sec staging area then haul it into the POS at the arranged time and dump it in cans outside the forcefield. The more bits you do yourself the bigger your margin but the less you can get done in a week. Good luck "I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are." - Zulu proverb.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.03.07 09:19:00 - [44] IMO seeding all the outposts with all the trade goods would not be a good thing. However, I do think that having each outpost producing one or two of the necessary ones for starbase operation would be helpful. I suppose that does mean that if somone built 4 outposts they could run their starbases 'in region' but ... But you know, all these problems go away if you just use the Correct Dread. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
ToxicFire	Posted - 2006.03.07 11:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: ToxicFire Well seeing as someone managed to whine, ice with all racial isotopes into existance, it stands a good chance, if we whine a bit more they will probably seed T2 Well, I'd say something in a nice way except that statement of your has absolutely no truth to it. Racial ice is there to stay. Oh, and to OP, no. PWNAGE to make you feel moist. I was working from two now defunct posts when i said that
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.03.07 12:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace No need. Sub-contract. Get other folk to mine it, get more folk to deliver it to a hi-sec staging area then haul it into the POS at the arranged time and dump it in cans outside the forcefield. The more bits you do yourself the bigger your margin but the less you can get done in a week. Good luck Exactly. At a point it's not just the margin but the hours saved doing other things, not to mention a fleet and workers that are likely to do more with greater effectiveness. Since I am new I can only assume, but I'm sure many POSs have the newer and lower ranked do most of the mining and hauling (If I'm wrong forgive me). While this may be cheaper, having higher tech mine and haul would get it done faster even if your involvement is minimal. instead of subbing out mining, hauling, and escort (if it's required) than just consider one contract which handles all logistic support for a POS. That one corp should be able to sub out the security themselves (or have some ofthe POS handle it) but have the fleet to handle it. Even with my tiny little emerging corp it's hard to get things organized because the lack of pure direct communication, so having an arrainged time to do it might not always work out, not to mention losses in mining and hauling even in higher sec. When mining in empire I feel you always need escort, no matter what ship I'm mining with. We have an escort gate checking and scouting belts ahead as well. So doing the entire support yourself would cost you manpower in security, extraction, and transport. With a contract on a company dedicated to support of a POS, you may only have to worry about security, or no manpower at all. In the long run you save ships, pilots, and time.
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.07 12:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Telemicus Thrace No need. Sub-contract. Get other folk to mine it, get more folk to deliver it to a hi-sec staging area then haul it into the POS at the arranged time and dump it in cans outside the forcefield. The more bits you do yourself the bigger your margin but the less you can get done in a week. Good luck Exactly. At a point it's not just the margin but the hours saved doing other things, not to mention a fleet and workers that are likely to do more with greater effectiveness. Since I am new I can only assume, but I'm sure many POSs have the newer and lower ranked do most of the mining and hauling (If I'm wrong forgive me). While this may be cheaper, having higher tech mine and haul would get it done faster even if your involvement is minimal. instead of subbing out mining, hauling, and escort (if it's required) than just consider one contract which handles all logistic support for a POS. That one corp should be able to sub out the security themselves (or have some ofthe POS handle it) but have the fleet to handle it. Even with my tiny little emerging corp it's hard to get things organized because the lack of pure direct communication, so having an arrainged time to do it might not always work out, not to mention losses in mining and hauling even in higher sec. When mining in empire I feel you always need escort, no matter what ship I'm mining with. We have an escort gate checking and scouting belts ahead as well. So doing the entire support yourself would cost you manpower in security, extraction, and transport. With a contract on a company dedicated to support of a POS, you may only have to worry about security, or no manpower at all. In the long run you save ships, pilots, and time. I didn't mean subbie out to quite that degree. Worth a try if you want. I reckon by the time you sub out the running of your POS you would be better off just buying the output of somebody elses POS. I was just refering to the fella that wanted to sell fuel to POS owners, he'd be able to get more through put in hauling and mining if he payed some folk to help him mine and haul without having to worry about having an organised corp. "I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are." - Zulu proverb.
Milkminer	Posted - 2006.03.07 12:34:00 - [48] Edited by: Milkminer on 07/03/2006 12:35:35 Ive not read the whole thread but id say this argument should of been presented very differently. Instead of saying what you want, give a system for it to work, for instance: Outpost owner decides he wants to add a NPC "vendor" to his Outpost, this NPC requires X in compensation for living in your station, this could be minerals or a set list of items (maybe add afew special drops to RAT's which are used to give the NPC's but they should be rare so not to make it to easy, deep 0.0 isnt all fun and games). The NPC will then supply X items on the market at slightly above empire costs (as its an alternative, its still ur choice if u wanna buy them items). Now, this would involve Outposts to be enhanced in certain ways, lets call then "hook points" as thats what they are called in other games, a set amount of slots which allow you to add something to them, in this case NPC "vendors". This would also enhance public Outposts and encourage 0.0 activity. Although saying that, 0.0 has never be so busy.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.03.07 20:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I didn't mean subbie out to quite that degree. Worth a try if you want. I reckon by the time you sub out the running of your POS you would be better off just buying the output of somebody elses POS. I was just refering to the fella that wanted to sell fuel to POS owners, he'd be able to get more through put in hauling and mining if he payed some folk to help him mine and haul without having to worry about having an organised corp. true, and to also catch on the point above, if I read your post right you are still cutting out the point of having a POS, that you have to manage and sustain the POS. even using an NPC "agent" for materials would be the same as seeding roids in the same system. I assume that having a POS is supposed to be very difficult and require an organized group to run, thus keeping out the random gang taking one over and able to raise havoc as they wish, and also to keep nubes (like myself and my corp :p) from running them. Thrace, I agree. As a new player, one thing I see a lack of in eve is the presense of large-scale support logistics organizations, and the same for mining operations. By buying output from another POS you're still forming a dependency instead of actually using a solution (this is in my opinion though). I would love to see instead of a division of corporate part-time miners or small mining companies, something to the effect of a large scale alliance. An issue with the current POS system is that a corp is forced into a vertical conglomerate, controlling everything from supply to distrobution, when in some cases it's not bad (especially if it's a very large corp, but forcing corps that can't handle it to do what incites failure, namely in space that is extremely dangerous to anything not geared and tooled up. For this I understand why many are complaining. I'm drawn into eve for the business aspect more than the fighting one, so I hope one day that industrial alliances can become a "reality" in eve.
Xelios	Posted - 2006.03.07 21:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Naverin Edited by: Naverin on 06/03/2006 21:31:05 Edited by: Naverin on 06/03/2006 16:36:56 living out in the sticks of eve if you will.. Paragon soul Logistics is a nightmare.. NPC bought fuel is one of the Only reasons left i have to go to empire.. Lets end that need shall we. Outposts should have NPC Pos fuel seeded.. that is all. EDIT If someone comes in here and says.. you should use the "Correct" Somthing.. god save us all.. If the logistics are too nightmarish we'll gladly take the wasteland back for a small fee Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Zubenelgenubi	Posted - 2006.03.07 21:21:00 - [51] jamesw for King
Mr Bondy	Posted - 2006.03.07 21:53:00 - [52] This is why people dont give naverin a link to the forum - Mineing posts everywhere u Should see his "nav protects the veld" vid Naverin a.k.a "The Veldspar King" P.S T2 ice miners plz :) and some pills for nav
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.03.07 22:20:00 - [53] Originally by: James Lyrus But you know, all these problems go away if you just use the Correct Dread. Did someone call me?
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.03.07 22:54:00 - [54] Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread This makes the point - and stunningly elegant, if I may say so - I would REALLY like Oveur to comment on. Can we expect racial segregation to be increased? Because that is what it does, after the introduction of jump drive driven ships. Now you are punished for flying ships of specific races depending on geographic position. If thats the agenda, I think its about time people were given more than hints, so precautions can be taken. And it would be a bit late to introduce that kind a barrier between corp and alliance mates, if you ask me. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread If this post were pk you'd have just won EVE. jamesw hasn't already won eve? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Trak Cranker Originally by: jamesw Poem dedicated to the Tribal Souls alliance I live in a hole, its called "Paragon Soul" The regions quite old and the residents bold... The roids here are nice but its missing some ice I've asked once or twice yet there's still no new ice Its messed with my head what the big dev man said and now I'll be dead lest I use the Correct Dread This makes the point - and stunningly elegant, if I may say so - I would REALLY like Oveur to comment on. Can we expect racial segregation to be increased? Because that is what it does, after the introduction of jump drive driven ships. Now you are punished for flying ships of specific races depending on geographic position. If thats the agenda, I think its about time people were given more than hints, so precautions can be taken. And it would be a bit late to introduce that kind a barrier between corp and alliance mates, if you ask me. The point i was making was really... well there was no point, I just wanted to pay out Naverin . As I have mentioned in the other "Naverin wants to live in his hole and never come out" thread, EVE is about player interaction. By implementing regional ice, CCP Encourage that. It makes perfect sense that one region would be plentiful in a particular resource, but not so in others. Trade into the 0.0 regions of varying ice products feeds the empire economy, it feeds the pvp economy (freighters to protect etc, something Tribal Souls is very good at). Alliances may be able to set up ICE deals with suppliers in return for high end minerals, etc etc. So its more difficult to use a Gallente tower in Amarr ice space - BIG EFFING DEAL! If you need a Gallente on over an Amarr one so badly, it is obviously going to be cost effective to truck in the ICE. Same goes for Dreads and other cap ships. My understanding is that the introduction of Outposts was exactly what was meant to encourage this trade. There is no place for the "sit in my little box and have every resource I need at my doorstep" in EVE.... Well actually there is, but you have to get someone to bring it to your doorstep -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:05:00 - [57] Originally by: HippoKing now get the correct dread rofl, I liked that dude "Get the correct Dread" "WTF? A correct dread?"
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:06:00 - [58] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: HippoKing now get the correct dread rofl, I liked that dude "Get the correct Dread" "WTF? A correct dread?" There was another Naverin thread where that phrase got coined... let me dig up a link -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:12:00 - [59] Naverin threads usually end up in a dev replying.. and or a new phrase being made.. its a true story.. nods ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.07 23:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Naverin Naverin threads usually end up in a dev replying.. and or a new phrase being made.. its a true story.. nods I bet Poetry is a first, though -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas

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