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Solbright	Posted - 2006.09.11 20:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Solbright on 11/09/2006 21:00:05 I'm all for opening the source code of the Eve client, GPL is the obvious license choice to protect CCP's investment, but for the moment I'm bloody happy to be able to continue playing Eve. The extra cost of paying for Cedega is no concern especially given the funding required for Eve subscription. Therein lies the catch with WINE support for online games in general. The service is closed source so there is no argument to make the rest of the integration open.
Solbright	Posted - 2006.09.15 07:08:00 - [2] It's the ingame stutters that is the real problem. No one would be complaining this much if it was only the login that was so slow. BTW: I'm still using cedega; don't have a choice having just come from win98. Reduced to high sec mining in a hauler, that's pretty sad for a PVPer.
Solbright	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:26:00 - [3] Try shifting the cache directory somewhere else so then the client will create a new cache. If this don't help then you can put the old one back.
Solbright	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Makko Verillia I recently moved back to Linux - just got tired of some glaring issues with Windows I could never correct. I picked up SimplyMEPIS, a Dapper distro, and it worked, no CLI action yet, for a wonder. Oh for the days of Slackware 2.0.0.... Anyway I got cedega on, EVE etc. I have a 6800GS, 768meg RAM, Sempron 64 running at 2.1GHz (overclocked 1.4. I have no stability issue, just a serious lack of FPS. I run at 1024x768 (10x7), 24bit. I've done the interval default/immediate thing, buffer to 300meg, tried windowed/desktop mode, varying vertex and what not on and off. I never get over 30fps outside. If I go on a misson or somewhere with lots of ships, I dip into the teens, around 12-14fps. I know some of you have way better framerates. I'm running the 87.xx series NVIDIA drivers. Any reason to upgrade to the 9x.xx series? Any other tweaks to cedega that will help? Will dropping the color to 16bit actually help? Thanks for the help. Graphics is not your limit, you have to have a particularly poor 3D card before it affects Eve. Eve is very poorly coded, requiring stupidly large amounts of CPU. A teraflop processor might just be enough to hide the stuttering.
Solbright	Posted - 2006.12.11 05:30:00 - [5] Sometimes ExeFile.exe window does not come to the front, and then the Eve.exe window doesn't close leaving a black screen. I shrink the Eve.exe window and it goes away revealing the login screen.
Solbright	Posted - 2007.01.22 19:35:00 - [6] That sounds ominous. :(
Solbright	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:51:00 - [7] Interestingly, myself and others have had no font problem. I decided to have a look for Arial.ttf in Cedega's install of Eve and found a link from the Eve windoze directory to ~/.transgaming_global/Fonts where indeed Arial.ttf and 30 other fonts aready reside. I don't know if these are fonts that the Eve installers have put there or if they all come via Cedega itself. One thing I do know is I didn't put them there and there is no actual Windoze installation on this PC.
Solbright	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:15:00 - [8] Ah, the datestamp on all but one font are September 2006 which suggests they all went in with the original Cedega install. The exception is TGMarlett.ttf which is dated November.
Solbright	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:48:00 - [9] Originally by: rig0r BTW, I noticed that two clients with wine consume less CPU than 2 clients with cedega. Cedega always maxes out to 100% usage per CPU core per client. Looks like wine does something a bit smarter than cedega does The normal response should be: "There's something wrong if it's not using 100%." Only reason for Eve to be limited would be if rendering to V-sync is enabled. That's not usually a done thing but maybe you have it enabled when you are using WINE.
Solbright	Posted - 2007.02.28 08:20:00 - [10] When you say "crash", do you mean a reboot or just back to desktop? If it's a reboot then it's your hardware/bios, otherwise it's more likely a compatibility problem. One experiment is to try same installation on another PC also with ATI graphics.
Solbright	Posted - 2007.04.04 06:55:00 - [11] That's not lag. Low framerate can not be caused by lag. Lag implies a network or server related issue which is clearly not what is happening. Call it poor performance or just low framerate or even stutter if you like.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.02 11:32:00 - [12] I'm happy to announce a successful Wine based install. The biggest hassle I had was I didn't think it was creating the Application Data directory structure containing the prefs.ini file. Changing from Cedega where that directory is placed in c:\ I didn't think to look for it in c:\windows\profiles\USERNAME\. Therefore it was splash'n'crash'n and I thought it was other problems. Took me a couple of days of trying different ways of installing before I realised that a pre-Rev 2.2 version of Eve was working just fine. Putting two and two together, that told me it was only the prefs.ini that was the problem so I went looking ... Hope this helps others.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.02 13:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Azaya Syncaa ... if the client crash or disconnect, i can't relog in game with my trial account : everytime the same error messages : "While we appreciate your enthusiasm to try EVE, we would also appreciate if you could limit yourself to using a single trial account at a time." Lol, perfectly normal. Try to avoid vanishing on Eve like that. The server thinks you are still logged on, in fact other pilots will see you still sitting in space and you can be shot at. With a paid account the new login will cause the lost connection to kick in and the new login will take over. With a trial account you aren't allow to have more than one login so it refuses you. Eventually, something will cause the server to decide you have disconnected. After which you will be able to log in again.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.02 13:21:00 - [14] Maybe the server logic could be changed to always kick the older login when a new one occurs.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.02 14:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Mthed And when i try to start the client this message appears fixme:process:IsWow64Process (0xffffffff 0x33fc34) stub! I have installed the latest nvidia drivers for my geforce 6800. If you have a solution please include the specific commands because i'm a total linux noob. Thanks in advance. Looks good so far. Still need to do two more things: - Copy all the Arial font files into the new c:\windows\fonts\ directory. - Edit the prefs.ini file in c:\windows\profiles\USERNAME\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE\settings\ and add the three audio disable lines. Or add the wine patch to enable voice.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.02 22:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Azaya Syncaa Originally by: Solbright With a trial account you aren't allow to have more than one login so it refuses you. Eventually, something will cause the server to decide you have disconnected. After which you will be able to log in again. It's been about 6 hours that i cant still login on my trial account .. do you think it's normal? Hmm, that's extreme. Dunno, maybe you've struck a bug. The above "feature" is new I think anyway. I first struck it a couple of weeks back when I tried to do some weapons testing and found I couldn't use a trial alt like I used to. Report it in Bug Reporting
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.02 22:54:00 - [17] Edited by: Solbright on 02/09/2007 22:55:15 Originally by: Mthed Solbright: Did you mean this patch http://dev.gentoo.org/~uberlord/wine-0.9.44-sound.patch if so i have no idea how to use it, i tried to read the instructions above but couldn't make much sense of it Yeah, I've not tried it sorry, I have very little interest in sound atm. Slows the game down and adds bugs, both on windoze and linux.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Akaelii Okay, so I seem to have an issue that I don't think has been addressed yet -- or if it has, I haven't found it in the previous 50 pages of ... stuff. I start up, get the splash screen, goes to the black box. Got rid of that by putting the lib on an ntfs filesystem. Now, when I start up, after the splash screen, I don't get anything. Start over with a fresh install of Eve. Forget the NTFS stuff. Then: - Copy all the Arial font files into the new c:\windows\fonts\ directory. - Edit the prefs.ini file in c:\windows\profiles\USERNAME\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE\settings\ and add the three audio disable lines. Or add the wine patch to enable voice. ------ Vote for Low graphics client
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.08 03:35:00 - [19] And if that still dies then do the multi-copy/link of lib.ccp ------ Vote for Low graphics client
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.09 05:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Akaelii Originally by: Solbright Originally by: Solbright - Copy all the Arial font files into the new c:\windows\fonts\ directory. Copy from -where-, pray tell? I grabbed them from my old Cedega install of Eve but there is plenty of examples of downloading from M$ that I've seen from time to time in this tech forum. Quote: Originally by: Solbright - Edit the prefs.ini file in c:\windows\profiles\USERNAME\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE\settings\ This file does not exist. Maybe run Eve once first. ------ Vote for Low graphics client
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.09.10 03:14:00 - [21] Bloody hell, read the recent posts, .44 works. You just have to disable sound with the three switches or add the patch to fix it. ------ Vote for Low graphics client
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.04.06 16:44:00 - [22] More likely the nVidia 3D driver is no longer installed and you are trying to run with OpenGL emulation.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.04.07 13:52:00 - [23] Good stuff. I'm thinking the models not loading issue is the evolving deferred loading getting a little aggressive on the deferring.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.08.16 12:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Biakuzolm My graphic card is an ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] (it's an old graphic card but it did run EVE several days ago in XP, with graphic options set to low). I suspect the Radeon OpenGL driver for Linux doesn't support the older chips. So, although your hardware can do the job, you prolly don't have a 3D driver installed that can use it. ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.08.16 13:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Biakuzolm Quote: glxgears -info GL_RENDERER = Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 4x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL GL_VERSION = 1.3 Mesa 7.4 GL_VENDOR = DRI R300 Project [...] There you go. It's not AMDs driver. I'm not following progress but I'd guess you'll have to wait some time before the open source driver is up to Eve's requirements. ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.08.16 13:56:00 - [26] Ya, well, for best 3D support atm you want to use the new GPUs. The old ones only have open source support. That and Eve now requires more than it once did. As you have already pointed out you had to use low settings just to get Eve to load up in Windoze. It's feature set rather than 3D performance with Eve. Eve's performance problems are all CPU bound. ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.08.17 11:56:00 - [27] Unless someone else pipes up and says otherwise then, as I said, using a new graphics card is the only answer. Trying to use a Radeon 9800 (or derivative) is a lost cause for the moment. ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.08.18 01:09:00 - [28] Edited by: Solbright on 18/08/2009 01:17:19 I don't use the virtual desktop mode. I instead block all desktop shortcuts and use windowed mode in Eve itself and have Eve's window configured borderless so it can be fullscreen. Then rely on the taskbar (shrinkable) and mouse for selecting things. This doesn't completely solve the bug, I still have to make sure I shrink Eve's window before selecting any other app's window, but it is usable and always fits whatever screen I'm using. EDIT: Oh, and at some point in the past I had to use the settings of force Eve's window to the back so I could still access the taskbar and also force the window position to 0,0 on the screen. ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.08.18 13:35:00 - [29] Edited by: Solbright on 18/08/2009 13:36:06 Originally by: Biakuzolm ... it crashes on loading, at stage "Entering station". Dunno, try disable sound. There could still be some ATI driver specific issues, I'm using a GeForce 8800 so Eve has always worked for me. Quote: Note that when I run glxgears -info and use top in another terminal, I see the glxgears process at the top, with approx. 90% CPU. Hence, I'm not sure I actually have 3D hardware acceleration. It's working alright, glxgears is pretty terrible performance in software mode. You are pulling 9000 fps after all. All you're seeing there is your GPU is having no trouble keeping up with the job the CPU is feeding it. So the CPU maxes out on issuing the rendering commands to the GPU. Not really surprising given the simple job the GPU is doing. Having said all that I decided to run the test myself and got about double your fps and the same 100% CPU. I then full-screened the rendering window and the fps dropped by about seven fold and the CPU system time went from 25% to 70%. Hmmm, something fishy there. Either fps shouldn't change due to CPU still being topped out or CPU should start to become idle waiting for the GPU. I did a quick google of glxgears and pulled up this comment. Which says how glXSwapBuffers() is about all that is seriously happening. This is plain old blitting from the 3D buffer into the desktop framebuffer. The CPU should be idle while waiting for the the GPU to perform the blit. Since that is not the case and it's the system time that is climbing with blit size there must be something wrong with GLX implementation. Either the CPU is performing the blit itself - bad! Or the CPU is busy-waiting on the GPU - also bad! ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2009.08.18 13:57:00 - [30] BTW, the only thing I do extra when performing a clean install of Wine+Eve is copy the fonts. I don't make any adjustments to any config files. ----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up!

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