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Looktu
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:29:00 -
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 First of all, yes I am posting with an alt. Why? Because I haven't told my corp that I just lost everything we owned between us, I'd rather not tell them via a forum post. If you do figure it out guys, I'm so sorry
I started EVE online a few months ago, and like any newbie I learnt that ANY sec status does not mean you are safe. I guess that if you are reading this, here is your warning: Don't forget those early newbie lessons!!
I started off as a miner and slowly moved onto production joining a nice little corp full of people of similar intrests as myself. We mined together, produced together, and generally had a great time. Until our first corp theif who took 200m in minerals and ships. That hurt, but we're not a group to fall at the first hurdle, we gathered ourself, and went about REbuilding our little empire. Sub-Empire. Anyway after a couple of weeks our CEO decided to leave and handed over CEO-Ship to me. Upsetting but it was due to real life stuff.
Hooray!
Or so I thought. Around 5 weeks ago, we got war declared on. Damn. Another hurdle, or at least what we thought would be another hurdle. A small corporation of just 4 people had seemingly war declared us, But we never saw them. Ever. We didn't see this corporation ONCE for the next 8 weeks. Whats going on?
This pirate corporation had seemingly made a war declaration and never acted upon it. Infact, the Pirates CEO logged on only twice within a long period of time, woo hoo maybe this was not such a bad turn of events and just a random declaration from pirates looking for an easy shot.
Anyways, we found ourselves a small niche market in mining ice, dark glitter infact and ended up making our corp quite profitable, its long since dry, but it was great whilst it lasted. . Infact I would go so far as to say our little corp wallet was fairly impressive for a bunch of players who had played for such a short time. We scraped around 400m and invested it into blueprints. Sure it was only cruisers, but it felt quite an achievement to consider we now had an inventoryof blueprints!.
Anyways, we decided that in order to maximise our production of these cruisers we would need to move to Lagsulaert, the nearest hub to us (I Mean Oursulaert oh please don't ban me!!) in order to actually make ends meet. A couple of us may have been a bit aprehensive setting up so far from a hub and charging 7.5m for a Thorax ;) but we're a fairly fun group and wanted to try and carve out our own place, but it hadn't worked.
No big deal. On to Oursulaert!
Transport Ships I! Hooray! Finally I'm flying around in an armored elongated (and strangely phallic shaped!) Occator. Time to start phase 2....Our market operations place! Woo hoo!.
By now its 3am. My second account is soothing my ears with the SWoOoOsh....SwoOosh of ice mining, and I'm cramming all our blueprints and remaining minerals into the occator for the fairly long journey to our new  base of operations!. Phew, its all in there. Perhaps half a billion or so of stuff!
Setting autopilot was a breeze. Not a single low sec system on the way there to bother me and my precious transport ship. Bring it on, pirates, no haulers for you to pop today! I set my ship off, sitting infront of the monitor and munching on a sandwich, switching back and forth between my ice mining and my jumping hauler.
Remember what I said about remembering those first lessons? Yeah, remember those. YOU ARE NEVER SAFE IN SPACE. Trundling along in my hauler approaching the second to last gate on my uneventful journey.....
Flashing red........FLASHING RED...........FLASHING. RED.
Crap. Yeah, those guys. The guys we had not seen for a LONG LONG TIME had picked the best time ever to be online and active and presumably heading off to some low sec to blow up the nearest hauler. But they ran into me. Their only war target online.
 The one with everything our corp owned stuff. All 500m of it.
Crap
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:39:00 -
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ouch m8, really unlucky. dont give up though - you can earn it all back. its just an annoying setback :)
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DaMiGe
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:40:00 -
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Damn, that's quite some bad luck
Try to get even on them
And dont give up, becouse quitting is for quitters 
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:40:00 -
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Id be more looking at who in your corp proposed the move, its a pretty good trick and used before to war dec your own corp when you fail to get access to corp hangars to steal.
Good luck on explaining it all to your corp, but Im sure you will get over it
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Looktu
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:41:00 -
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Thanks guys. :). It was actually a joint decision about the move, and only I picked the time to do it as my skills just finished really and I was prepared to take everything on a trip to the new place.
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Looktu
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:42:00 -
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Oh and getting even? Can I ram people to death?
Hehe
I am online now on this alt ****ING myself about logging on my main.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:47:00 -
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have you considered becoming an Emo?
that'll probably help.
no skills, just luck.
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:49:00 -
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LOL.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:51:00 -
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It might just be me and this isn't a reflection on who you really are (obviously I have no idea), but the foundations are also set for you to have stolen this from your own corp - nice little alt-post on forums etc... Your corp mates are likely to want to see the kill-mail and want to talk to the guys that popped your ship and even then will still have that thought in the back of their head about whether it really happened the way you described.... Happy dreams 
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:54:00 -
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 Quote:
How Do You Tell Your Corp You Lost Everything?
"Hey guys, guess what I got with our 500 mil - magic beans!"
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Looktu
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Quote:
How Do You Tell Your Corp You Lost Everything?
"Hey guys, guess what I got with our 500 mil - magic beans!"
It just might work!
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Looktu
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Looktu on 07/03/2006 12:58:25
+ 1 post of accidental.
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Looktu
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
It might just be me and this isn't a reflection on who you really are (obviously I have no idea), but the foundations are also set for you to have stolen this from your own corp - nice little alt-post on forums etc... Your corp mates are likely to want to see the kill-mail and want to talk to the guys that popped your ship and even then will still have that thought in the back of their head about whether it really happened the way you described.... Happy dreams
I appreciate what you are saying. However the people in my corp would KNOW I am not this kind of person. Infact we're a pretty close group and I cannot imagine any of them doing this, and I know I certainly would not.
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Khabok
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:36:00 -
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If you didn't have a guilty conscience, you wouldn't be on the forums looking for some kind of . . . what? justification?
And if they're the type of people that "know" you're not the kind of person to rip them off, then why are you here again?
Call my a cynic . . . <shrug>
Khabok
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:48:00 -
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All I can say is, if you are transporting something that expensive, you should have done it with EVERY ONE of your corp mates with you in their combat ship.
Sorry for your loss, but that's the truth.
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
H.L. Mencken.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:04:00 -
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Quote:
How Do You Tell Your Corp You Lost Everything?
"Hey corp. I lost everything." Should give them a pretty good idea about your situation.
(didn't bother reading your post, sorry)
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:24:00 -
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You screwed up, now you need to take responsibility for it. EVE's a harsh world. :\
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:26:00 -
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That's quite a painful and expensive lesson. All you can do is pick up the pieces, and maybe use instas next time you're at war while carrying half a bil worth of stuff. actually, might want to do that anyway, suicide gankers might have had a pop at you with all that stuff in your hold.
Good luck
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:33:00 -
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#1 - If there was more than one war target, odds are you were maybe unlucky but quite possibly ratted out.
#2 - blueprints belong in a very fast MWD frigate if you don't have instants.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:37:00 -
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Ow although to be fair next time you will have an escort to go through space. Hey Eve isn't about the stuff you have it's the experience, chalk this up to learning and move on.
BTW Make Thorax's in low sec, much more money.
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:59:00 -
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sounds like the corp that war deced you had a spy in your corp, that timming is just to good
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Weebear
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Posted - 2006.03.07 15:00:00 -
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500mil isn't that difficult to make back, start grinding out missions on one account and mining on the other account and you can replace the 500 mil of assets before the end of the week I bet!
Or just own up. I'm sure they all understand how they game works as well. |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.07 15:29:00 -
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This screams SPY SPY SPY
If the above was not clear enough SPY SPY SPY SPY SPY!!!!
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.07 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Khabok
If you didn't have a guilty conscience, you wouldn't be on the forums looking for some kind of . . . what? justification?
And if they're the type of people that "know" you're not the kind of person to rip them off, then why are you here again?
Call my a cynic . . . <shrug>
Khabok
I thought the same thing tbh.
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Stogee
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Posted - 2006.03.07 15:41:00 -
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Does sound all just a bit convenient I must say.
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0ss0
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Posted - 2006.03.07 16:06:00 -
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hmmm You said there were 5 guys in the corp who made war.....I assume all 5 were in your corp as well. Welcome to EVE.
Look for the guys who leave.
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Sloppy Hole
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Posted - 2006.03.07 16:20:00 -
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SPY, no doubt in my mind.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2006.03.07 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 07/03/2006 17:08:36
lol
whoops.
I think the phrase, "never put all your eggs in one basket" applies here.
PS:
LMAO, Irashi, your sig is awesome
Sass
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.07 17:20:00 -
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One word.
SPY.
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What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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Tavor Jeager
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Posted - 2006.03.07 17:31:00 -
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of course if you are one to use alts it may have been an idea to use Mr.Alt in a mwding/instaing frig to transport such valuable items particularly if you are at war.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.03.07 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
One word.
SPY.
I was thinking the same thing when i read his post...
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Lord Grimreaper
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Posted - 2006.03.07 18:47:00 -
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I think you should tell your corp. They trust you to move it so atleast you could to is let them know that you didn't make it there. But again like noted earlyer if you were transporting all that stuff why not have them guard you??? |
Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.03.07 19:44:00 -
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Bond...James Bond , if you get my drift
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.03.07 20:02:00 -
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So, um, you bought the CCP line that those new fangled transports were somehow actually worth a dam$ :)
Really though, with a war dec out there, moving alot of valuable under the corp tag is kind of stupid. Really stupid in fact. Get someone else to move it as in an alt in noob corp with a tanked BS or something. Even retards ganking in 1.0 sec space won't bother with that.
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Amerrus Eka
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Posted - 2006.03.07 20:32:00 -
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First of all, in a certain profession there's no such thing as a coincidence. And what you described sounds like such a non-coincidence. You might have a traitor, turncoat or just an opportunist in your corp who benefitted from the theft directly or indirectly. Or just did it out of spite.
And, as have been said several times, you really should've had escorts.
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Har Ganeth
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Posted - 2006.03.07 23:58:00 -
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You should be moving blueprints in a WCS interceptor.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifae
So, um, you bought the CCP line that those new fangled transports were somehow actually worth a dam$ :)
No, actually, they're basically invincible to all but the most dedicated interceptor packs in empire.
My Viator warps instantly with its nanofibers and can hit 2.5km/s with its MWD.
I like my Viator.
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What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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Evil Edna
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
have you considered becoming an Emo?
that'll probably help.
rofl
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La Hafiz
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:28:00 -
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Wow man, that sucks :( Hopefully you can regain your losses.
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IonHammer
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:44:00 -
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I reckon your thinking those bm sellers are looking cheap right now.
You made the same mistake as many in this game assuming the worst cant happen it does and more often than one would expect.
Hauling anything worth a lot to you should be done in something fast with bms.
As for corp fess up, some of you corp mates may consider that perhaps that they should have been around to help you move.
GL, you can always rebuild. Its always faster the sedond or third time around.
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Bloodst0ne
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Posted - 2006.03.08 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Fury
All I can say is, if you are transporting something that expensive, you should have done it with EVERY ONE of your corp mates with you in their combat ship.
Sorry for your loss, but that's the truth.
Well said.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.03.08 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
One word.
SPY.
Two word:
Cow dung
I was once running something through FDMLJ and thought: well I could say to my corp oh sorry I got blown up when in fact I was not blown up.
Hence an alt posting this cowdung to see if people here smell it for what it is so it could be presented to members of his corporation who will likely respond just like we respond to it here.
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Alaesa
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Posted - 2006.03.08 08:58:00 -
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well 50/50 chance of a spy or you being a corp thief.
personally I would kick you as s nub for using a hauler while war dec'd. You should of left your corp then rejoined later.
Anyway thata sside. I would also kick you for not telling teh rest iof teh corp of the loss right away. You obviously didnt anounce a war target is around in corp chat which means you put the rest of teh corp at risk.
Name teh corp that dec'd you so that others will knoe to watch for the spy tactic from them if they are dec'd by them. This assuming that you arnt a corp thief of course
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Tekee Maruth
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Posted - 2006.03.08 09:26:00 -
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Ouch chief, sorry to hear that..
I don't think there is any way around this but just letting your corp mates know what happened.
It isn't your fault, or at least it doesn't seem like it ;)
Anyway, just need to get back on the horse and continue, it's tough having to remake hard earned money, but its the only way to go, mate.
Though, it does seem VERY convenient for those pirates, that they just "happen" to show up at that particullar time doesn't it? :)
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.03.08 10:38:00 -
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give me the name of the pirates
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2006.03.08 10:48:00 -
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If my CEO of a few weeks turned around and said:
"Hey guys, those folks that war decced us and yet we have never seen turned up for the first time last night while I was the only guy on line. By pure bad luck I happened to be moving all the corps assets and I got ganked."
Now I have been known to wear the tin foil hat every so often but I think I might find my self thinking - "Hmmmm, Wonder if my ceo has any alts or dodgy mates"
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia
give me the name of the pirates
can you people even read? there were no pirates. anywhere.
no skills, just luck.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor
Originally by: Dark Shikari
One word.
SPY.
Two word:
Cow dung
I was once running something through FDMLJ and thought: well I could say to my corp oh sorry I got blown up when in fact I was not blown up.
Hence an alt posting this cowdung to see if people here smell it for what it is so it could be presented to members of his corporation who will likely respond just like we respond to it here.
Meh....If I was ever to steal from my own corp, I'd just do it, and run. Why would you want to stay in a corp that you have so little respect for, that you lie to them about dying. The corp will probably be crippled by the loss, and a thief would not bother staying.
So, if you ARe a thief, congrats....you just made 1/2 Billion ISK.
on the other hand, If you are serious....ouch...thats going to hurt your corp, and it will probably split up. Still, nevermind, you can always get employment in another corp. Just tell them, "Her, sorry, boys and girls, I just lost all our assets". The worst that will happen is they hunt you down and pod you repetively. If they do, just move far far away, where they probably wont bother following you.
Its only a game. Incidents like these add to the character of it. Write about it in your Bio, and make a nice character history. 
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:19:00 -
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Whats the lesson? Don't travel (Afk or not) alone while war dec or with current empire campers. Also never travel with a great amount of isk worth in your hauler!
And dude, tell em and be punished.
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Jessica Lorelei
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:22:00 -
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DUDE!!! you were set up big time
fire your corp instantly , have them killed if necessary.
and learn eves lesson n02 DONT TRUST ANYTHING.
lesson no1 you are never safe
lesosn no2 dont trust anything
lesson no3 goto no1
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Dark Whisper
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:41:00 -
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You didnt find it starnge that a corp kept a war goin for 8 weeks, that costs a good ammount of isk so they kept it goin for a reason, I would look to whoever suggested you move your opperations to where you was moving. You got a nasty spy in you midst. Kick em all and move to cal-provisions!!
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2006.03.08 12:25:00 -
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When moving really really important stuff, stick it in a firggin cargo container and add a password..so if you go boom you will either have a few seconds to anchor it and come back later to get it, either way your stuff will be safe*.
* i think )
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bow locks
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Posted - 2006.03.08 12:31:00 -
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why worry about telling your corps - they already know!
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.03.08 12:44:00 -
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Next time keep all your gold in a noob corp alt character ... no wardecs in there and when you have to move something just do it in the most private way possible.
You are not safe from a suicidal gang in empire but the your ods will become much higher
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
When moving really really important stuff, stick it in a firggin cargo container and add a password..so if you go boom you will either have a few seconds to anchor it and come back later to get it, either way your stuff will be safe*.
* i think )
What happens when you repackage a passworded can I find floating in space?
\o/ yay it expodes and fills your hanger with fun suprises!
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Orco
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Posted - 2006.03.08 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Orco on 08/03/2006 17:03:10
Edited by: Orco on 08/03/2006 17:02:33
Originally by: Rthor
Originally by: Dark Shikari
One word.
SPY.
Two word:
Cow dung
I was once running something through FDMLJ and thought: well I could say to my corp oh sorry I got blown up when in fact I was not blown up.
Hence an alt posting this cowdung to see if people here smell it for what it is so it could be presented to members of his corporation who will likely respond just like we respond to it here.
Indeed
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:58:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 08/03/2006 19:58:45
Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
When moving really really important stuff, stick it in a firggin cargo container and add a password..so if you go boom you will either have a few seconds to anchor it and come back later to get it, either way your stuff will be safe*.
* i think )
What happens when you repackage a passworded can I find floating in space?
\o/ yay it expodes and fills your hanger with fun suprises!
Hence the need to anchor it before you get podded i assume ????
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2006.03.08 22:23:00 -
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This post doesn't smell quite right and my spider-sense is tingling. It sounds as if it is written so that anyone from this corp will recognize it on purpose. It is also unnecessary is has way too much detail.
I am going to say that "Looktu" robbed his own corp and is trying to pass along the blame while keeping his corp happy. In 3 years of EVE, my spider-sense has never been wrong.
If the "mysteriously-perfectly-timed-return" pirate corp confirms his story here with a kill mail, I will eat my hat.
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.03.09 00:14:00 -
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That, my friend, is a bastard. A really big bastard.
Not your fault, you were not to know, especially with never seeing them in the weeks of the "war"
Pick yourselves up, dust yourselves off, and get back to work. You can do it :)
Your corp shouldnt be too ****ed, just annoyed.
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Matt Madness
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Posted - 2006.03.09 05:52:00 -
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Ignoring the whole coincidence thing... I have to ask why did you have no escorts? You were moving 500m worth of stuff without a single ship guarding you.
That fact alone rates high on my suspect ometer.
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Skipsta
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Posted - 2006.03.09 07:38:00 -
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Quote:
You were moving 500m worth of stuff without a single ship guarding you.
Yeah I find this kinda suspicious also. I mean if your corp had 5 bn isk worth of gear and you moved 500m of it without an escort that would seem legit. But moving ALL of your corps assets in a single hauler without an escrot just seems unbelievable really.
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Satanista
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Posted - 2006.03.09 14:38:00 -
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500m worth of stuff? a friend of mine just joined eve, total newb, made about 200m on his own in his 2 months in cash and actually has nice skilsl and +2 rig and a ferox. so to be honest, 500m worth of stuff means the corp was pretty clueless so i actually believe the story, sorry for the hard truth mate.
dont quit eve, 500m is not much. just play for 6 more months and you'll laugh about that sum. think of it that way: if you and your corp just do lvl4 missions for a week you'll have it all back and possibly alot more!
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.03.09 15:59:00 -
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I don't haul stuff for my corp if I can't replace it. Take responiblity for your actions. Maybe your corp will cut you slack.
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Psyrex
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Posted - 2006.03.09 16:45:00 -
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I wanna know if the corp has been told yet, or are you still hiding?
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The world is a battle field, pass me my gun!
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Salmonella
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Posted - 2006.03.09 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Salmonella on 09/03/2006 17:52:31
1.Create 4 alts on your 2 accounts
2.Make pirate corp with your alts
3.They can not be online when you're playing with your two main accounts.
4.Wait till all corp members are offline
5.Rip yourself off
6.Disband corp
Et voila! Mystery solved...
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:09:00 -
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How Do You Tell Your Corp You Lost Everything?
You don't need to tell them, just quit the game in shame.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:38:00 -
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Eggs.......
Baskets......
Could be a plan for the future if this is a legit theft.
It is calming to me to see a level of paranoina desplayed by so many on these forums that I once thought I needed medication for.
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Necromancer D
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Posted - 2006.03.10 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
It might just be me and this isn't a reflection on who you really are (obviously I have no idea), but the foundations are also set for you to have stolen this from your own corp - nice little alt-post on forums etc... Your corp mates are likely to want to see the kill-mail and want to talk to the guys that popped your ship and even then will still have that thought in the back of their head about whether it really happened the way you described.... Happy dreams
/signed
No offence to the OP, but a killmail would be nice.
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Tekka
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Posted - 2006.03.10 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tekka on 10/03/2006 02:26:46
500m isnt much.
When I got popped in my Covert ops due to a bug, I lost my CNR BPC, Gist X-Type Xlarge booster 3bil in stuff. -- I lol in local and logged off
No big deal, youll recover, just tell them 
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Posted - 2006.03.10 13:58:00 -
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First of all it IS VERY wierd that nobody was online and u saw the war enemies first time then ater weeks. This cant be coincidance. I beleive that either u where setup by ur corp or there was an informant.
Cause i if u say true nad the loss was just 500mil u must be a nublar to rob a noobie corp that only has 500mil nad get a name for urself just for 500m. Also since u are a mining corp and u have 2 accounts i figure that u are able to mine 500mil in short 10 days so why bother.
Also since no bpo or significant modules and ISK where in the pocession of the corp i do not see a reason for someone to become a knowned corp thief for so little reward.
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