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Molly	Posted - 2003.09.07 02:58:00 - [1] Edited by: Molly on 07/09/2003 03:00:08 Thank you for turning the game into a mining simulator.
Tristan	Posted - 2003.09.07 03:37:00 - [2] Sigh... time for a new sig i suppose.
Molly	Posted - 2003.09.07 03:44:00 - [3] Lol, this one is good. My theory is that one of the developers sucks at killing shield hardeners users, so he is simply nerfing them. Or did anyone ask for a nerf? If yes, go to hell :P. Dr Dre can get you one.
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.09.07 03:46:00 - [4] Well I guess CCP is really good at nerfing because they do it alot. I just have one question however. Why do they do they spend energy and time nerfing items and ships when they could be fixing more important things? Even if they could balance the game and fix major bugs at the same I'd still rather they just fix the major bugs or add more content first. Bottom line is CCP needs to stop jacking around with nerfing items and ships and fix the more important ** first I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.**
Tristan	Posted - 2003.09.07 03:51:00 - [5] Edited by: Tristan on 07/09/2003 03:51:39 Hence the sig. feel free to use it. i might get the ol' bat sig out again and give it a dust off
cball	Posted - 2003.09.07 04:02:00 - [6] Quote: Edited by: Molly on 07/09/2003 03:00:08 Thank you for turning the game into a mining simulator. Why don't you quit again Molly, but don't bother coming back. ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
NoHawker	Posted - 2003.09.07 04:07:00 - [7] The ones that complain about the changes are the ones that relied too much on game imbalances. Don't get comfortable using over powered inbalanced game play mechanics. Carebear? What are you going to do? I'm going to kill them all sir
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.09.07 04:08:00 - [8] NoHawker, your assumptions are false and illogical. *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
The Wretch	Posted - 2003.09.07 04:14:00 - [9] I think once all the testing is done the changes will be pretty good. The stacking and shield hardeners were a little out of controll. The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
Ezra	Posted - 2003.09.07 04:15:00 - [10] Quote: Sigh... time for a new sig i suppose. lmao. And that nerf gun looks WEAK. (FYI, Hasbro has been "nerfing" their own guns... Older Nerf guns could shoot a lot farther and with more force than new ones. The old Crossbow could be turned into a pain-dealing welt-causing nightmare with a few simple tweaks. The last reasonably modifiable Nerf gun was the SM3000 - Put on 1-foot PVC barrels and increase the size of the air tank and and I was denting my closet door from the other end of my house. :) ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
Tristan	Posted - 2003.09.07 04:25:00 - [11] Edited by: Tristan on 07/09/2003 04:26:56 Ezra, your knowledge of nerf guns... scares me lol ive no problem with shield hardeners being tweeked, they need it. however, guns are underpowered as it is. nerfing them more is just stupid. if the tachyon changes come over to TQ then nobody will use them, they use too much cap to use! even with full cap charging skills, lvl 4 Amarr battleship skill, 3 X 25% cap rechargers (no neg affect) and STILL they eat your cap before you kill the enemy. There will be no point using guns when missiles are like they are on chaos. Every man and his dog will be flying ravens and using torps + cruise missiles = lot of dead people complaining their ship lasted <5 seconds in combat. Also.. with missiles like they are on chaos, (yes they DID need buffing) what use are Defender missiles!?!?! I mean, defenders are useless as it is.. they already go after your drones or explode on your own ship, or detonate before they even leave the missile bay properly. but after the patch... Defenders will be even more useless than they already are, unless they get some MAJOR love. i pity any man in a galante ship after the patch, as they are seriously screwed if these changes arent balanced properly. Infact i pity anyone not in a raven.
Molly	Posted - 2003.09.07 04:39:00 - [12] NoHawker, multiple shield hardners could be countered with cap drainers. I don't see any imbalance here.
Black Lung	Posted - 2003.09.07 04:50:00 - [13] well just as long as i can still take on 30-50k rats in my thorax, i will be happy.
pred ator	Posted - 2003.09.07 05:43:00 - [14] Quote: Edited by: Molly on 07/09/2003 03:00:08 Thank you for turning the game into a mining simulator. Don't worry. at this rate CCP will only be able to nerf one more thing. their customers. :) and we all know where that leads to. :)
Revolution	Posted - 2003.09.07 05:53:00 - [15] Play the game, not the forums.
pred ator	Posted - 2003.09.07 05:57:00 - [16] Quote: Play the game, not the forums. the forums are apart of the game. else they wouldn't be here. only paying customers can post. also for one who gives advice. you sure dont follow it :) else your post wouldn't have ever made it to the forums, because you'd be playing the game. :) You Nerf our features, we nerf you! lets all buy nerf guns! :)
Crimsonjade	Posted - 2003.09.07 06:08:00 - [17] i do both.... No pain, no palm; no thorns, no throne; no gall, no glory; no cross, no crown.
Revolution	Posted - 2003.09.07 06:28:00 - [18] yeah, the forums are here to give feedback on the game (lol), but its obvious these people havent been testing on chaos , so i say "play the game, not the forums"
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.09.07 06:55:00 - [19] Wretch and Revolution both have good points. The other server really shows the effect of these "nerfs" (some arent that bad at all). I for one am happy to see projectile weapons beefed up a bit but otherwise the effects seem pretty minor. Constant adjustment is part and parcel of the online course for these games (in my very limited experience) and an ongoing process. Raise one thing up, something else is thrown out of kilter, so adjust that, then this thing is out, and so on and so on. By the way Tristan, Love that nerf gun, made me laugh! Calladen
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.07 06:58:00 - [20] Quote: Lol, this one is good. My theory is that one of the developers sucks at killing shield hardeners users, so he is simply nerfing them. Or did anyone ask for a nerf? If yes, go to hell :P. Dr Dre can get you one. The laser users begged for them in the turret changes thread in Ships and Modules. Go through all 23 pages. The minute TomB changed Tachyons, it began I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Cobba Vanga	Posted - 2003.09.07 07:03:00 - [21] They want slow us to 0. With this nerf with stacking of modules we will be slow like snail. I mean speed modules, and this will be nerf for all pilots :( [righthttp://www.chon-corp.org/gfx/chon_logo_new.jp[/right]
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.07 07:07:00 - [22] Quote: They want slow us to 0. With this nerf with stacking of modules we will be slow like snail. I mean speed modules, and this will be nerf for all pilots :( TomB already said the speed modules most likely wouldn't be included I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.09.07 07:23:00 - [23] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 07/09/2003 07:24:58 Molly you make some good points sometimes, but this isn't one of those times. I don't see much of a problem here.. base turret stats are improving, but damage module stacking is getting nerfed. Nothing wrong about that, low slots should have a better purpose than to be soley for damage mods, stacking them provides results so powerful that there really is no other reason to not fill them with damage mods. All this will do is force people to use different setups.. perhaps 3 heatsinks will be enough, and after that you can use power diagnostics, armor upgrades.. yanno the stuff that is useless when you can achieve huge damage modifiers and insanely low ROF by stacking the hell out of damage mods.. Since defenses are getting heavily nerfed this patch, I really don't see a problem with the change to turret damage mod stacking, or stacking in general. I like most of these changes, personally. I think we have to keep in mind that we are still using tech 1 items mostly. Items will get much more powerful as they introduce tech II, III, IV.. ect (albiet SLOWLY). Softening up tech I stuff might be necessary. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.09.07 09:56:00 - [24] See Molly and his/her annoying comrades just like to cry "nerf" whenever something they liked to use gets a smacking because it was out of balance. You seem to have no idea what these changes TomB is intruducing on Chaos actually do so why don¦t you just go and read the proper thread a few times before you come here to whine yet again? I¦m saying "a few times" cause I actually believe you wouldn¦t even understand after reading the entire thread 2 times in a row... The changes done all make sense and balance the game and they¦re supported by most of the players as you can see in the Ships and Modules section so please for gods sake go there and see for yourself. You and your stupid sigs are so annoying it¦s unbelievable. ¦ou come here crying like stupid babies whenever things you liked to use become less effective. Mai's Idealog
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.09.07 11:24:00 - [25] "Also.. with missiles like they are on chaos, (yes they DID need buffing) what use are Defender missiles!?!?! I mean, defenders are useless as it is.. they already go after your drones or explode on your own ship, or detonate before they even leave the missile bay properly. but after the patch... Defenders will be even more useless than they already are, unless they get some MAJOR love." ... I think you should actually test the Defenders on Chaos before you say that; you might be surprised. (... unless was really lucky and they still suck otherwise... but it'd be first time :s)
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.09.07 11:52:00 - [26] I believe the reason the Apocolypse and Megathron ships have 2 launcher slots is for defenders, it might actually be a good defense once missles become popular, which I think they will. Dominix and Armageddon lack launcher slots completely.. so they'd have to rely on smartbombs, which I don't think will be as effective, considering the sheer speed of missles now. Though smartbombs are pretty good for other stuff, like drone killing. I already see WTB Raven bid on trade channel, never have seen that before. I got my Raven the other day so I'm ready for some missle pwnage. =] I bet Mimnatar ships will become much more popular.. few guys in corp have Tempests now, probably will be a good ship once the patch came. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Angelsfist	Posted - 2003.09.07 12:33:00 - [27] Although I am less than thrilled about the upcoming changes to tachyons, is has prompted me to try even more diverse setups and I feel that they will be adequete when these new changes go live. I do think it is silly though. An amarr Battleships should have the cap and powercore to run 8 tachyons successfully as beam weapons are their specialty but oh well. I think it'll be fine in the long run. Anyway off to chaos to test some more fittings, cya all later
Tentimes	Posted - 2003.09.07 12:35:00 - [28] FFS F off Molly. Can we not all pay Molly to really quit or something?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.09.07 12:44:00 - [29] Quote: Although I am less than thrilled about the upcoming changes to tachyons, is has prompted me to try even more diverse setups and I feel that they will be adequete when these new changes go live. I do think it is silly though. An amarr Battleships should have the cap and powercore to run 8 tachyons successfully as beam weapons are their specialty but oh well. I think it'll be fine in the long run. Anyway off to chaos to test some more fittings, cya all later Heh, you can't be serious. If ships had the powercore to run 8 of the BEST turrets, what good would engineering skills or reactor control units be??? The Tachyon "nerf" was kinda necessary, with current module stacking, even with a 12sec ROF.. with good heatsinks.. and the Armageddon ROF bonus.. tachyons would still have a VERY VERY good ROF. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Lithorus	Posted - 2003.09.07 12:48:00 - [30] Quote: NoHawker, multiple shield hardners could be countered with cap drainers. I don't see any imbalance here. You mean the cap drainers that drains 10 cap/45 sec.?

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