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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:09:00 -
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On second thought, I think it is pretty clear where this alt comes from.
Judging from the media campaign Botox Bandits/Curse Coaltion are trying to wage (clumsily, I might add), it is safe to assume this alt is one of theirs.
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"Never underestimate the power of language."
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:10:00 -
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As several investors have pointed out, share dividends are very high. As such there are only two possibilities:
1) ISS stations are a success.
2) ISS stations are a failure, but the ISS is shelling out billions every month to hide this fact.
Given that 2) is unsustainable even for a few weeks, and wouldn't make sense anyway since all shares have been issued I think we can file this one under insanity.
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Phrixus Zephyr
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:32:00 -
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ISS hardly does itself any favours when its Navy opens fire on neutrals who up until that moment have ignored any ISS ship encountered.
ISS might be doing better than expected for the moment, but they're certainly becoming less neutral everyday.
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Konietzko
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:44:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Beringe
On second thought, I think it is pretty clear where this alt comes from.
Judging from the media campaign Botox Bandits/Curse Coaltion are trying to wage (clumsily, I might add), it is safe to assume this alt is one of theirs.
Yet if you read my post on the first page you'd think otherwise. Go try it out.
[botox bandits : pirates]
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
On second thought, I think it is pretty clear where this alt comes from.
Judging from the media campaign Botox Bandits/Curse Coaltion are trying to wage (clumsily, I might add), it is safe to assume this alt is one of theirs.
Have you ever seen an official post by CC? Theres a reason for that... We speak with our guns... Find someone else to blame this thread on because he/she is not from our alliance.
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Zachios Primos
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
On second thought, I think it is pretty clear where this alt comes from.
Judging from the media campaign Botox Bandits/Curse Coaltion are trying to wage (clumsily, I might add), it is safe to assume this alt is one of theirs.
actually, you're completely wrong...kthxbye
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:57:00 -
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Gotta love these boards.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story
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Coasterbrian
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Posted - 2006.03.08 21:18:00 -
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This thread gets the FUNNEH seal of approval.
/me pats the alt lovingly. Now now, don't let the big mean forum *****s get in the way of your delusions of grandeur......
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Originally by: riker to thebold
first post w/ your main.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wee Dave
As several investors have pointed out, share dividends are very high. As such there are only two possibilities:
1) ISS stations are a success.
2) ISS stations are a failure, but the ISS is shelling out billions every month to hide this fact.
Given that 2) is unsustainable even for a few weeks, and wouldn't make sense anyway since all shares have been issued I think we can file this one under insanity.
I've noticed that a lot of ISS associated players are quick to respond that ISS is just great. That is to be expected. Enron executives did the same thing prior to that companyÆs collapse.
The insanity may be in trying to bring this problem to the public. Both pirates and ISS don't want this issue brought to light. Pirates don't want ISS to beef up security because it would ruin their fun. ISS doesn't want the public to know there's a problem because it would scare people away from their project. And its ISS customers that pays the price in ganked ships and lost cargo for this subterfuge.
Again, my advice to players looking at ISS as an investment is to be careful and weigh the risks. They are not making money hand over fist no matter how much their forum warriors say they are. Their stations are not safe to use (yet) and things will not improve unless they have more success controlling access to their stations.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.08 21:26:00 -
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I notice you didn't answer my question ...
*Sigh*. Trolls everywhere 
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.08 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
I've noticed that a lot of ISS associated players are quick to respond that ISS is just great. That is to be expected. Enron executives did the same thing prior to that companyÆs collapse.
I have no ISS shares.
I actively shoot ISS pilots in 0.0.
I look forward to being part of their downfall.
Yet, I still claim that you're talking crap.
Deal with it.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Drunk Driver
I've noticed that a lot of ISS associated players are quick to respond that ISS is just great. That is to be expected. Enron executives did the same thing prior to that companyÆs collapse.
I have no ISS shares.
I actively shoot ISS pilots in 0.0.
I look forward to being part of their downfall.
Yet, I still claim that you're talking crap.
Deal with it.
You could not have proved my point any better.
Thank you.
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Ziyi Zhang
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Posted - 2006.03.08 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ziyi Zhang on 08/03/2006 22:01:08
I could see how pirate activity could dent traffic but the outposts are not at any sort of risk. Why would you spend the many many hours it would take to take down the POS with inevitable losses to gain ownership of an admin outpost in the middle of what would almost certainly be hostile territory?
U can't use it to refine or make things or to generate any isk other than through an activity such as ISS are doing.
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Graalum
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Posted - 2006.03.08 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ziyi Zhang
Edited by: Ziyi Zhang on 08/03/2006 22:01:08
I could see how pirate activity could dent traffic but the outposts are not at any sort of risk. Why would you spend the many many hours it would take to take down the POS with inevitable losses to gain ownership of an admin outpost in the middle of what would almost certainly be hostile territory?
U can't use it to refine or make things or to generate any isk other than through an activity such as ISS are doing.
if you did take that outpost, as an external thrid party, every big power in the area would be all over you to take it for themselves.
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2006.03.08 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Debreault
While it is clear that Drunk Driver has an agenda to promote that relies on belittling ISS, it's also clear that I would like to pod Dark Shikari.
It's also clear that if you podded them both, the biggest cheer would be saved for last.
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Vael Nayan
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Posted - 2006.03.08 23:49:00 -
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Bad form DD. I'd keep to drinking while flying and not drinking while posting on the forums, that way you'll only die in space.
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Ripline
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Posted - 2006.03.08 23:52:00 -
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As blackmail attempts go this has to be among the more creative ones. The big question would be if they have any real leverage besides causing some ship losses. It's easier to be patient when you're sitting in your own little station vs camping some gates in the middle of nowhere.
Suppose ISS just accepts the fact they'll take some losses and end up paying lower dividends? What's it mean to you, camping in the middle of nowhere indefinitely? The whole thing revolves around the assumption a wealthy alliance like ISS actually cares about whatever losses you inflict on them.
Very much fits in the spirit of the game, in any case. Wages of war, business of battle.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.09 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 09/03/2006 00:10:30
Allow me to clarify a few points.
1) Pirating at the outposts has significantly DECREASED in recent months, thanks mainly to an increasingly determined military presence and multiple capital ship support. KDF is safer than it ever has been, you are welcome to visit to find this out for yourself.
2) Shares have performed better than expected, not worse.
Just wanted to clarify those points.
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The ISS Navy is recruiting.
See this thread for further details.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.09 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
ISS hardly does itself any favours when its Navy opens fire on neutrals who up until that moment have ignored any ISS ship encountered.
ISS might be doing better than expected for the moment, but they're certainly becoming less neutral everyday.
This should not have happened, could you evemail me the details and I'll pass them on. Thanks.
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The ISS Navy is recruiting.
See this thread for further details.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.09 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
For example, BoB, [5], FIX, G, IRON, or ASCN could probably take an ISS outpost as long as no other alliance stepped up to defend it.
So you dont think FE could take it?
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Jorev
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Dark Shikari
For example, BoB, [5], FIX, G, IRON, or ASCN could probably take an ISS outpost as long as no other alliance stepped up to defend it.
So you dont think FE could take it?
One way to find out....
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:39:00 -
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Quote:
As a member of the [23], it is my job to crush and eliminate stupid alt troll posters who attempt to discredit perfectly valid organizations such as the ISS.
You're taking the [23] thing rather seriously...
I do agree about the OP however...
Go ahead and scare potential investors away, more shares for us that have a clue...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Dark Shikari
For example, BoB, [5], FIX, G, IRON, or ASCN could probably take an ISS outpost as long as no other alliance stepped up to defend it.
So you dont think FE could take it?
That wasn't a complete list. Its hard to list every single capable alliance in the game
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.03.09 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
My last dividend was 1.8 billion total over all shares, 80% above predictions.
WTS clue.
Silly man. You should be helping to increase the panic and buying shares cheap 
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Corporate Ninj4
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Posted - 2006.03.09 08:52:00 -
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Hmmm let me think, if want to invest a serious amount of money into something, will I
A.) Listen to random uninvolved people, hiding behind alts, posting drivel on the forums.
B.) Contact current and former investors, and others with the integrity to put their name to their statements.
If you answered A.), please contact me in-game, I have an excellent investment opportunity for you.
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"Caldari always warp twice" ~ Cmdr Sy |
Konietzko
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Posted - 2006.03.09 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Konietzko on 09/03/2006 15:39:30
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 09/03/2006 00:10:30
Allow me to clarify a few points.
1) Pirating at the outposts has significantly DECREASED in recent months, thanks mainly to an increasingly determined military presence and multiple capital ship support. KDF is safer than it ever has been, you are welcome to visit to find this out for yourself.
2) Shares have performed better than expected, not worse.
Just wanted to clarify those points.
In reference to point # 1
Now that's just an blatant lie and you know it.
edited: oops spelling.
[botox bandits : pirates]
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Zachios Primos
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Posted - 2006.03.09 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Konietzko
Edited by: Konietzko on 09/03/2006 15:39:30
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 09/03/2006 00:10:30
Allow me to clarify a few points.
1) Pirating at the outposts has significantly DECREASED in recent months, thanks mainly to an increasingly determined military presence and multiple capital ship support. KDF is safer than it ever has been, you are welcome to visit to find this out for yourself.
2) Shares have performed better than expected, not worse.
Just wanted to clarify those points.
In reference to point # 1
Now that's just an blatant lie and you know it.
edited: oops spelling.
don't mind him...KDF is VERY safe...infact, there is a hauler party tonight...all are welcome!!
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Zachios Primos > dunno why you just
stuck to the one sys
Wanem Dead > cause the can is here and
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.09 15:45:00 -
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I know its hard to believe, but it really is much better than it was :)
You guys keep us on our toes though, respect to you.
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The ISS Navy is recruiting.
See this thread for further details.
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David Hope
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Posted - 2006.03.09 15:47:00 -
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Piracy attacks declined as measured by total ships in the area.
Look at it this way: If there are 200 ships heading to KDF and 180 make it, that's a loss of 10%.
A few months later, 400 ships head to KDF and 370 make it. That's a much better survival rate, even though the number of successful piracy attacks have increased by 50%.
Indeed, as Marginis profits are driven entirely by traffic increased dividends effectively prove that the station has become more successful.
Pirates cannot gauge how successful their attacks are because they don't have complete access to how many people end up docking at Marginis. It is easy to get a false impression because you have killed 20-30 ships in the pipe. But that's a drop in the ocean for traffic in the area.
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Konietzko
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Posted - 2006.03.09 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: David Hope
Piracy attacks declined as measured by total ships in the area.
Look at it this way: If there are 200 ships heading to KDF and 180 make it, that's a loss of 10%.
A few months later, 400 ships head to KDF and 370 make it. That's a much better survival rate, even though the number of successful piracy attacks have increased by 50%.
Indeed, as Marginis profits are driven entirely by traffic increased dividends effectively prove that the station has become more successful.
Pirates cannot gauge how successful their attacks are because they don't have complete access to how many people end up docking at Marginis. It is easy to get a false impression because you have killed 20-30 ships in the pipe. But that's a drop in the ocean for traffic in the area.
Pirates can gauge how successful their attacks are. I know mine are successful because my wallet grows and a steady rate. The success of a pirate is not measured by the damage inflicted on his victims but rather the profitability of his attacks. The more customers you have, the more money I have. Thus our attacks are successful based on our measurements.
A better way to describe our attacks on you would be insignificant rather than unsuccessful. You're a big alliance, and you have many customers. Our attacks aren't hurting your profit enough for us to be considered a huge threat. This is a good thing for us. As a pirate I'm not aiming to drive you out of business, because doing so would kill my business as well. We're pirates, not terrorists... we want you in KDF-GY as much as you want to be there.
[botox bandits : pirates]
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