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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:05:00 -
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Moved from general discussion - Uly.
This is a consumer warning to the Eve public.
ISS stations are under attack and not making the profits they promised. This is due to the increase in pirate and rebel actions. Rebels and pirates have discovered that an ISS station is a prime attractor of haulers of every type and are taking advantage of the situation. Their actions have greatly reduced income and lessen ISS profits. The situation continues to grow worse as more pirates attempt to cash in on the lucrative hauler routs.
It should also be noted that ISS military units, both mercenary and home grown, have suffered heavy losses unsuccessfully attempting to control space surrounding their stations. Mercenaries must be paid and lost ships must be replaced. These losses also contribute to the red ink on the books.
Some ISS investors have now realized how serious this problem is and are trying to sell their shares in the Sell forum. However it would be prudent for new investors to wait for ISS to clear up issues concerning access to their stations before purchasing any shares. Put plainly, Players should not buy ISS shares until this issue is resolved.
If ISS can field military units capable of protecting haulers over the routes they need to take to reach ISS stations then their business model may succeed. Otherwise it will not and ISS shareholders will be stuck with the bill for failure.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:17:00 -
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My last dividend was 1.8 billion total over all shares, 80% above predictions.
WTS clue.
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bfm
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:21:00 -
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U have shares urself?
afaik, income is higher as budgetted in the initial IPO.
Protection of the stations in means of mercenaries or our navy are paid by ISS btw, and not by the shareholders.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
My last dividend was 1.8 billion total over all shares, 80% above predictions.
WTS clue.
I doubt you have any clues to sell considering how hard it is to get stuff into and out of ISS stations.
But I can understand why you would want people to THINK things were OK in ISS. Having worthless shares would suck.
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:23:00 -
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Sounds like someone wants to buy all the shares that get put up for sale =P
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Dark Shikari
My last dividend was 1.8 billion total over all shares, 80% above predictions.
WTS clue.
I doubt you have any clues to sell considering how hard it is to get stuff into and out of ISS stations.
But I can understand why you would want people to THINK things were OK in ISS. Having worthless shares would suck.
I don't care what conditions are like down there as long as two things are true:
1. There is no large coalition with capital ships dedicated to taking the Outpost (there will most likely never be as all the large PvP alliances support the outpost as it is). Considering there is a month's worth of strontium in the system and just 5 moons all with large POSs, only a large dedicated force can take the station.
2. I am making at least what profit they predicted I would.
Since 1) is true as usual and I'm making 180% of my expected profit, I'm very happy with the current situation.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: bfm
Protection of the stations in means of mercenaries or our navy are paid by ISS btw, and not by the shareholders.
So ISS does not in any way use isk produce by their stations (built with shareholder funds) to fund military operations?
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:27:00 -
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This guy's just a BE affiliate who is trying to sow discontent among ISS shareholders. It's an old tactic.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 08/03/2006 18:26:57
I suspect that ISS also have shares in the stations and that would pay for the protection.
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Calenth
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:31:00 -
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Maybe he's an investor trying to drive down share prices :P
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
This guy's just a BE affiliate who is trying to sow discontent among ISS shareholders. It's an old tactic.
Agreed. Its obviously an alt troll thread, as any intelligent investor would know that its impossible to take an ISS station without a strong, committed force with great resources.
For example, BoB, [5], FIX, G, IRON, or ASCN could probably take an ISS outpost as long as no other alliance stepped up to defend it. But a rag-tag group of pirates is no threat to ISS.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
Ahhh... I missed that before. No doubt it's your job to spread the good word about ISS.
For a few minutes I thought you was really an investor instead a member of the ISS propaganda team.
Trying to cover up ISS problems will only make things worse. ISS needs to resolve their disputes with locals and pirates or ISS business will continue to suffer.
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bfm
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: bfm
Protection of the stations in means of mercenaries or our navy are paid by ISS btw, and not by the shareholders.
So ISS does not in any way use isk produce by their stations (built with shareholder funds) to fund military operations?
Do you expect anyone to believe that?
Yes.
If no one believes that its up to them 
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:39:00 -
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And since most big pvp alliances have invested in those Outposts, they won't take it over and risk losing their profit.
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
Thread has gone wildly off-topic, flamebait and little desire on anyone's part to read what anyone else has written.
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mattzz
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:41:00 -
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Dark Shikari is an investor and like he said, he is making more profits than predicted. What else is there to say? Stop trolling.
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Marko Debreault
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:42:00 -
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While it is clear that Drunk Driver has an agenda to promote that relies on belittling ISS, it's also clear that I would like to pod Dark Shikari.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: bfm
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: bfm
Protection of the stations in means of mercenaries or our navy are paid by ISS btw, and not by the shareholders.
So ISS does not in any way use isk produce by their stations (built with shareholder funds) to fund military operations?
Do you expect anyone to believe that?
Yes.
If no one believes that its up to them
Very good point. That is why anyone about to embark on any investment project should understand the risks involved.
Which is why I made this post.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/03/2006 18:52:33
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Dark Shikari
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
Ahhh... I missed that before. No doubt it's your job to spread the good word about ISS.
For a few minutes I thought you was really an investor instead a member of the ISS propaganda team.
No, actually, I'm a member of Firmus Ixion, and I own a number of ISS shares.
As a member of the [23], it is my job to crush and eliminate stupid alt troll posters who attempt to discredit perfectly valid organizations such as the ISS.
Begone, troll.
Originally by: Marko Debreault
While it is clear that Drunk Driver has an agenda to promote that relies on belittling ISS, it's also clear that I would like to pod Dark Shikari.
I'd be happy to let you pod me. I have about 5 million of implants in my head and my clone is 4 million. I'll let you pod me for 100 million ISK, to cover the time I'll waste going to whatever low sec system you want to pod me in. How about that?
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Professor McFly on 08/03/2006 18:56:46
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Ahhh... I missed that before. No doubt it's your job to spread the good word about ISS.
For a few minutes I thought you was really an investor instead a member of the ISS propaganda team.
Trying to cover up ISS problems will only make things worse. ISS needs to resolve their disputes with locals and pirates or ISS business will continue to suffer.
Wow you really ARE clueless 
It's quite clear that ISS has performed above its own expectations as communicated to its shareholders. And if that remains the case, there's no problem.
And no, I'm not ISS, nor am I a shareholder (although I wish I was now).
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Marko Debreault
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I'd be happy to let you pod me. I have about 5 million of implants in my head and my clone is 4 million. I'll let you pod me for 100 million ISK, to cover the time I'll waste going to whatever low sec system you want to pod me in. How about that?
The feelings which lead to the desire to pod you would not be satisfied by this arrangement.
No deal! NO DEAL!
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Konietzko
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:02:00 -
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As a pirate who frequently visits KDF-GY I'd love to believe that my actions had some part in the financial downfall of ISS and their outpost... however. Realistically, most alliances can afford to lose ships above and beyond the rate at which ISS loses ships, and yet most alliances don't have their own outpost generating income in addition to their other incomes. I don't see random pirate activity causing any problems to ISS other than preventing the odd repeat customer, and entertaining the local security.
[botox bandits : pirates]
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Lek'karion
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:04:00 -
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Man Drunk Driver you're right, and just because I'm a nice guy I'm willing to buy some of your worthless shares, you should probably get out,
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Debreault
While it is clear that Drunk Driver has an agenda to promote that relies on belittling ISS, it's also clear that I would like to pod Dark Shikari.
It's true I have an agenda.
That agenda is to make sure everyone knows the risks involved when investing in ISS. It's a very risky investment that may not pan out. Players should be careful.
No one should be burned by a bad investment that could cost them millions or billions because a company paints a rosy picture of their ability to make isk. ISS will naturally paint a wonderful picture of their achievements. However you donÆt have to be a rocket scientist to recognize that stations visited by haulers would attract all sorts of pirates.
If pirates will attack you in Rens or Jita where youÆre protected by Concord, what do you think will happen at a station in 0.0?
Think before you buy. Always good advice.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Its obviously an alt troll thread, as any intelligent investor would know that its impossible to take an ISS station without a strong, committed force with great resources.
Ah, but to tank ISS, one does not need to capture their stations. All that's needed is to scare off enough customers. Or block the routes to the station.
Whether CC et all have any success doing that is of course another matter.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
No, actually, I'm a member of Firmus Ixion, and I own a number of ISS shares.
As a member of the [23], it is my job to crush and eliminate stupid alt troll posters who attempt to discredit perfectly valid organizations such as the ISS.
Begone, troll.
It would appear I've touched a nerve.
ISS stations are suffering from constant pirate and rebel attacks. No doubt you and your handlers would like for me to be quiet so no one will know.
Sorry, but you're too late.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Dark Shikari
No, actually, I'm a member of Firmus Ixion, and I own a number of ISS shares.
As a member of the [23], it is my job to crush and eliminate stupid alt troll posters who attempt to discredit perfectly valid organizations such as the ISS.
Begone, troll.
It would appear I've touched a nerve.
ISS stations are suffering from constant pirate and rebel attacks. No doubt you and your handlers would like for me to be quiet so no one will know.
Sorry, but you're too late.
Then where are my dividend profits coming from, and why are the largest they've ever been?
Come on, at least make your lies believable. Even the "pirates" that are "attacking ISS" have posted in this thread denouncing your lies.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:55:00 -
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My mistake, this is a blackmail thread. I think the local rats are trying to extort protection money out of ISS, and are doing it by trying to scare away their investors until their demands are met.
Am I right?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:59:00 -
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Value of shares may go up aswell as down.
Bothered.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Serena Hennessy
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:02:00 -
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Outpost shares FTW.
I'm making more than I expected on my investments, and my only regret is not purchasing more shares.
There's a REASON Borealis shares went so fast: EVERYONE in EvE knows that we're committed to giving our shareholders the best possible return on their investments in us - and that commitment is demonstrated in the monthly dividend.
Yes, we get the odd pirate, but as someone who lives/eats/breathes Marginis air 90% of the time I'm playing EvE, I can tell you that the outposts are more secure now than they have ever been - and we're being increasingly proactive about protecting the neutrality and security of KDF and the surrouding areas.
Sure, KDF isn't empire - no concord will save you or avenge your death, but can you really expect ANY part of 0.0 to be?
I think the facts speak for themselves: Above predicted ROI, a healthy resale market for shares, increasing share price, and of course, the most purdy of all the outpost designs. What more can you expect?
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
It's true I have an agenda.
That agenda is to make sure everyone knows the risks involved when investing in ISS. It's a very risky investment that may not pan out. Players should be careful.
Yes, you are clearly a saint of a man, who only has the best interest of the consumer in mind.
Haha?
And you expect anyone to believe *that* piece of fedo-dung? ISS has a good reputation. You hide behind an alt. Case closed.
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