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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:38:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:T3, Capitals and Pirate ships are in the bottom of the list. expect to see more T2 rebalance, we still have to see what wil they do to AFs and Recons, along with T2 industrials and Blops.. AF HAVE been balanced to near death. i think like 3-4 balance passes. they need no further adjustments me thinks... at the most a polish pass but thats it.
That polishing would include doing something about dual asb hawks. And somehow making the mwd sig bonus worth using? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2663
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:42:00 -
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Batelle wrote:
Making t3's worse than HACs in the HAC role would relegate them to big tanky covops ships (moreso than they already are), because any time you have a combat fit t3, you'd be better off with a HAC that both performs better, costs less, and doesn't lose you SP.
An example of CCP's goal for T3s:
- A Vagabond is a great HAC for falloff-kiting, but does little else. A Loki is almost as good, but is somewhat slower and does less damage. However, the Loki does this while also being bubble immune and having 30 km webs.
- A Rapier is great for webbing things from far away, but sucks at doing damage. A Loki is not quite as good as a Rapier at long-range webbing... but it also can still be covert ops, do damage, and have notable tank while doing it.
- A Sleipnir is great at brawling and boosting, but tends to cause panic in enemies and lacks mobility. A Loki is a more mobile option with somewhat less damage/boosting strength, much better suited to certain fleets.
Not all the above stuff is true right now, but the Loki is the closest to being in the T3 "niche" out of all the T3s.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2663
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:44:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:
there should be tradeoffs like if you fit a bubble imune sub section then it reduces the total damage output or something like that...
I'm not sure if you're being serious. The bubble immunity subsystem has serious drawbacks which end up impacting overall ship performance (less fitting resources, one or two fewer slots). Whether you shunt these penalties into living with lower damage, lower tank, worse mobility or whatever is up to you while you're fitting the ship.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1561
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:46:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:T3, Capitals and Pirate ships are in the bottom of the list. expect to see more T2 rebalance, we still have to see what wil they do to AFs and Recons, along with T2 industrials and Blops.. AF HAVE been balanced to near death. i think like 3-4 balance passes. they need no further adjustments me thinks... at the most a polish pass but thats it. That polishing would include doing something about dual asb hawks. And somehow making the mwd sig bonus worth using?
yes.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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crononyx
Running with Knives
Nexus Fleet
0
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:49:00 -
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Damn, right as I'm close to getting into a Proteus :( |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2664
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:53:00 -
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crononyx wrote:Damn, right as I'm close to getting into a Proteus :(
T3s getting rebalanced from their current state of "gods at one thing" to "do several things well at the same time" is (at least in my mind) a reason to want to fly T3s. More variety, more utility, more interesting roles and stuff to do.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2049
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:55:00 -
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Please bring the Rifter back to its rightful place as baddest frig. It's and icon and it has its own USB port, for crying out loud. |
MestariBation
Viziam
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:12:00 -
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NERF RAIL TENGU TOO STRONK
Send me isk im poor |
Abdullah Bahdoon
Somali Initiative for Dialogue and Posting
7
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:17:00 -
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Hurricane. Oh, but wait ... it was rebalanced and it's working as intended for now. I use it for gas mining. |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
7
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:23:00 -
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I think one of the goals with a T3 rebalance is to also make other options viabale. From what ccp has said, most t3's have standard configurations. If the market is any news, you can see what weapons systems and other systems are hardly used. It would also give them a chance to add new subsystems if they wanted for other such operations. But boo knows |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Itinerant Empire
205
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:53:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:MeBiatch wrote:
there should be tradeoffs like if you fit a bubble imune sub section then it reduces the total damage output or something like that...
I'm not sure if you're being serious. The bubble immunity subsystem has serious drawbacks which end up impacting overall ship performance (less fitting resources, one or two fewer slots). Whether you shunt these penalties into living with lower damage, lower tank, worse mobility or whatever is up to you while you're fitting the ship.
Pretty much. Cloaky nullified T3s seem to be in a pretty good place as they need to be strong enough to kill ratters without getting popped, but they're still a good deal weaker than any combat fit battle cruiser (except maybe the hurricane but that's 'cause it's kind of **** tbh) |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2013.12.20 04:33:00 -
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Let.s not forget there have been also rumblings and innuendo for some time that a "drone re-balance" is potentially on the cards in the near future.
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Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
184
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Posted - 2013.12.20 04:49:00 -
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Deep space transports are so pale in comparison with the Blockade runners.....
Also, agree with T3s. They, the their jack of all trades nature should not be better in any configuration than a T2 cruiser in particular tasks.
Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW? No, just..
-Fit more points
-Fit faction points
-Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too) |
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
76
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Posted - 2013.12.20 04:55:00 -
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Both T2 industrials should be on the list for rebalance for R1.1 me thinks. Freighters too now that the warp changes are in. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.12.20 05:06:00 -
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Tzar Sinak wrote:Both T2 industrials should be on the list for rebalance for R1.1 me thinks. Freighters too now that the warp changes are in.
lol ... yeah .. I can do Amarr-Jita and back again in a twin hyper rigged Stiletto and I swear sometimes the same freighter is still aligning to jump. |
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