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crazy0146 Eternal Darkness. Fatal Ascension 50	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:59:00 - [1] - Quote So with rubicon 1.1 approaching and no threads in features about the next set of ships to be rebalanced, are we not getting any updated ships or are the details yet to be released?
Stargate Perimeter Lavateinn 14	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:23:00 - [2] - Quote I believe they're redesigning (cough nerfing cough) T3s next
Pinky Hops Spartan's DNA Apex. 156	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:24:00 - [3] - Quote T3's and/or pirate battleships are what is slated next iirc. Could be one, and then the other.
Ramona McCandless Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1559	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:25:00 - [4] - Quote They will be releasing Corvettes next I hear * Vote MTU For CSM * Non omnis moriar
Batelle Komm susser Tod 676	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:25:00 - [5] - Quote The things that haven't been done that seem to need it are: Pirate ships, would be all at once, a big job Recon ships t2 industrials revamp the freighter class Logi and hictors don't seem to need it urgently. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Good Posting Posting with my Mind 76	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:35:00 - [6] - Quote T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything.
Iko Fumimasa Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:41:00 - [7] - Quote Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions?
crazy0146 Eternal Darkness. Fatal Ascension 50	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:49:00 - [8] - Quote Theres also: Black Ops Jump Freighters Cap Ships Succubus/Phantasm
Ramona McCandless Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1559	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:54:00 - [9] - Quote Iko Fumimasa wrote: Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions? If you cant do it in an assault cruiser, you are nothing but a fizzle * Vote MTU For CSM * Non omnis moriar
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 7033	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:57:00 - [10] - Quote Pirate cruisers and frigates are in desperate need of work. Too many of them are just too underperforming. Except for Angel Cartel ships. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Iko Fumimasa Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:58:00 - [11] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Iko Fumimasa wrote: Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions? If you cant do it in an assault cruiser, you are nothing but a fizzle I wasn't asking if I could do it in an assault cruiser, I was asking if people theorize that the battleship or the t3 would be better after the nerf
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 7033	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:59:00 - [12] - Quote Iko Fumimasa wrote: Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions? The T3 rebalance is going to be unpredictable. The class is just so complex, there are so many different approaches CCP might take to bring them in line. But they will most likely still be good for PVE. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2662	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:06:00 - [13] - Quote Good Posting wrote: T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything. Because they are better at some specialized roles than T2 cruisers are, which are supposed to be better in the narrow thing they spec in. That's the direction CCP want to take T3s in, anyway. Some examples: Loki is better at sniping than Muninn is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature. Proteus is a better brawler than Deimos is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature.. Tengu is a better missile-kiter than Cerberus is. There are others as well, but that's a start. HACs are unlikely to change, so it will be the T3s to fall in line with the new order. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Good Posting Posting with my Mind 77	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:13:00 - [14] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: Good Posting wrote: T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything. Because they are better at some specialized roles than T2 cruisers are, which are supposed to be better in the narrow thing they spec in. That's the direction CCP want to take T3s in, anyway. Some examples: Loki is better at sniping than Muninn is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature. Proteus is a better brawler than Deimos is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature.. Tengu is a better missile-kiter than Cerberus is. There are others as well, but that's a start. HACs are unlikely to change, so it will be the T3s to fall in line with the new order. Do you remember your threads after the Drake nerf? I do. So, now you like when CCP nerf ships or only the ships you don't fly.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 7033	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:23:00 - [15] - Quote When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2662	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:25:00 - [16] - Quote Good Posting wrote: Petrus Blackshell wrote: Good Posting wrote: T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything. Because they are better at some specialized roles than T2 cruisers are, which are supposed to be better in the narrow thing they spec in. That's the direction CCP want to take T3s in, anyway. Some examples: Loki is better at sniping than Muninn is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature. Proteus is a better brawler than Deimos is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature.. Tengu is a better missile-kiter than Cerberus is. There are others as well, but that's a start. HACs are unlikely to change, so it will be the T3s to fall in line with the new order. Do you remember your threads after the Drake nerf? I do. So, now you like when CCP nerf ships or only the ships you don't fly. I remember writing those threads sarcastically and people believing I was actually upset because I apparently failed at being over-the-top enough for the sarcasm to be obvious. In fact, people got so mad at my Drake whining that I had to make a blog post to be able to refer people to whenever they brought it up. So, here you go. I have actually since started flying Drakes now and then, but it's mostly because I'm a space hipster and everyone thinks Drakes suck now, so I get fights. Drakes do not, in fact, suck. Especially HAM Drakes. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 800	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:26:00 - [17] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance. INB4 "But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!!!!"
Ramona McCandless Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1559	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:28:00 - [18] - Quote Iko Fumimasa wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Iko Fumimasa wrote: Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions? If you cant do it in an assault cruiser, you are nothing but a fizzle I wasn't asking if I could do it in an assault cruiser, I was asking if people theorize that the battleship or the t3 would be better after the nerf I wasnt saying you were, I was saying you (as in non-specific everyone "you") are a fizzle if you cant Self-absorbed much * Vote MTU For CSM * Non omnis moriar
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2662	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:31:00 - [19] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance. INB4 "But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!!!!" But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!! CCP already super-nerfed them because you can't eject with weapon timer anymore. SO UNFAIR, EVE IS DYING! Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1560	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:32:00 - [20] - Quote next on the balance list? i know that caps and tech III are lower on the list... so that will wait a while (maybe winter 2014) so that leaves us with pirate faction ships and the rest of tech II. i would suggest Transport ships covert ops and recons would be next. also a balancing pass on tech II mining ships. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Good Posting Posting with my Mind 77	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:32:00 - [21] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: I have actually since started flying Drakes now and then, but it's mostly because I'm a space hipster and everyone thinks Drakes suck now, so I get fights. Drakes do not, in fact, suck. Especially HAM Drakes. Ahh, all right. I didn't know that part, i apologize then. Yeah i like the HAM drake too. James Amril-Kesh wrote: When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance. This is a conspiracy against my Proteus now that James Amril is posting here. DAMN IT!!
Silivar Karkun Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 104	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:35:00 - [22] - Quote T3, Capitals and Pirate ships are in the bottom of the list. expect to see more T2 rebalance, we still have to see what wil they do to AFs and Recons, along with T2 industrials and Blops..
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 7033	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:43:00 - [23] - Quote Good Posting wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance. This is a conspiracy against my Proteus now that James Amril is posting here. DAMN IT!! Not talking about the Proteus. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Good Posting Posting with my Mind 77	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:58:00 - [24] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Good Posting wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance. This is a conspiracy against my Proteus now that James Amril is posting here. DAMN IT!! Not talking about the Proteus. I assume you are talking about the HAM Tengu loaded with Rage ammo then? I don't think the Tengu needs another nerf.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 7034	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:05:00 - [25] - Quote I'd be fine with them not nerfing it, but I'm not holding out hope. The HAM Tengu is extremely powerful. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Batelle Komm susser Tod 677	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:17:00 - [26] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance. INB4 "But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!!!!" The criticism of t3's is that when fit as hacs, they do better than hacs. (blaster prot vs blaster deimos, cerb vs tengu, legion vs zealot, etc.) This is the role where they are most likely to die, making ISK and SP loss relevant, compared to other applications where risk is greatly mitigated. Making t3's worse than HACs in the HAC role would relegate them to big tanky covops ships (moreso than they already are), because any time you have a combat fit t3, you'd be better off with a HAC that both performs better, costs less, and doesn't lose you SP. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 7034	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:28:00 - [27] - Quote HACs do see use, so it's not like they're completely marginalized by T3s. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1560	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:28:00 - [28] - Quote Silivar Karkun wrote: T3, Capitals and Pirate ships are in the bottom of the list. expect to see more T2 rebalance, we still have to see what wil they do to AFs and Recons, along with T2 industrials and Blops.. AF HAVE been balanced to near death. i think like 3-4 balance passes. they need no further adjustments me thinks... at the most a polish pass but thats it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1560	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:32:00 - [29] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: HACs do see use, so it's not like they're completely marginalized by T3s. i think what makes t3 op is bubble imune and able to fit covert cloaks and still do great dps and great tank. there should be tradeoffs like if you fit a bubble imune sub section then it reduces the total damage output or something like that... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 7034	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:37:00 - [30] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: HACs do see use, so it's not like they're completely marginalized by T3s. i think what makes t3 op is bubble imune and able to fit covert cloaks and still do great dps and great tank. there should be tradeoffs like if you fit a bubble imune sub section then it reduces the total damage output or something like that... What. Nobody I know of uses combat covops nullified T3s. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed

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