Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions?

If you cant do it in an assault cruiser, you are nothing but a fizzle

Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions?

T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything.

Because they are better at some specialized roles than T2 cruisers are, which are supposed to be better in the narrow thing they spec in. That's the direction CCP want to take T3s in, anyway. Some examples:

• Loki is better at sniping than Muninn is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature.
• Proteus is a better brawler than Deimos is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature..
• Tengu is a better missile-kiter than Cerberus is.

There are others as well, but that's a start. HACs are unlikely to change, so it will be the T3s to fall in line with the new order.

Do you remember your threads after the Drake nerf? I do. So, now you like when CCP nerf ships or only the ships you don't fly.

When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance.

I wasn't asking if I could do it in an assault cruiser, I was asking if people theorize that the battleship or the t3 would be better after the nerf

INB4 "But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!!!!"

I have actually since started flying Drakes now and then, but it's mostly because I'm a space hipster and everyone thinks Drakes suck now, so I get fights. Drakes do not, in fact, suck. Especially HAM Drakes.

When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance.

This is a conspiracy against my Proteus now that James Amril is posting here.

DAMN IT!!

Not talking about the Proteus.

INB4 "But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!!!!"

T3, Capitals and Pirate ships are in the bottom of the list. expect to see more T2 rebalance, we still have to see what wil they do to AFs and Recons, along with T2 industrials and Blops..

HACs do see use, so it's not like they're completely marginalized by T3s.

i think what makes t3 op is bubble imune and able to fit covert cloaks and still do great dps and great tank.

there should be tradeoffs like if you fit a bubble imune sub section then it reduces the total damage output or something like that...

AF HAVE been balanced to near death. i think like 3-4 balance passes. they need no further adjustments me thinks... at the most a polish pass but thats it.

Making t3's worse than HACs in the HAC role would relegate them to big tanky covops ships (moreso than they already are), because any time you have a combat fit t3, you'd be better off with a HAC that both performs better, costs less, and doesn't lose you SP.

there should be tradeoffs like if you fit a bubble imune sub section then it reduces the total damage output or something like that...

That polishing would include doing something about dual asb hawks. And somehow making the mwd sig bonus worth using?

Damn, right as I'm close to getting into a Proteus :(

I'm not sure if you're being serious. The bubble immunity subsystem has serious drawbacks which end up impacting overall ship performance (less fitting resources, one or two fewer slots). Whether you shunt these penalties into living with lower damage, lower tank, worse mobility or whatever is up to you while you're fitting the ship.

Both T2 industrials should be on the list for rebalance for R1.1 me thinks. Freighters too now that the warp changes are in.