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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:46:00 -
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Ive lost 3 out of the last 4 1vs1s Ive done, and they're still a hell of alot more fun than all the ganks we're generally a part of.
As for the OP:
1 - Was lame.
2 - The amount of times Ive heard people laughing at others because they're "running from a Thorax in a raven", only to find out 10 seconds later that there was 5 BS on the other side of the gate... Oldest trick in the book :)
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:46:00 -
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I'd also like to report that you were bents first kill since he reactivated his account yesterday, and he was very happy with his choice to reactivate after he saw his 1st victim upon returning already flaming him in local.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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Unbeleever
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Rells
Two incidents today.
1) Someone challenges a duel .. BC to BC and I accept. I am winning the fight and he warps a friend in with a battleship and blows up my ship.
2) Im on a gate in syndicate and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Grow some balls people.
If it was a truely arranged 1v1 and it was dishonored shame on the nob head that didnt hold up his end, You must take precautions to ensure your own SURIVAL. I.E make sure it is a true 1v1 or dont accept them simple 
#2 There, well I got to say overwhelming force is the best way to survive, you got into a situation and he had a buddy, not to hard to guess the out come.
I aint doggin ya dude just got to use common sense and adapt to current gameplay there is no honor just different lvl's of good and evil. 
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.10 05:33:00 -
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I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything
Young American? Do you even know my age? And the game is far from getting overran, it's the low-sec of space that have the strongest PvPers. If you want to go back to a land of EVE where the belts are rich in ore and the PvP is at a minimum...
Go BACK TO EMPIRE. And take the t2 tissues with you.
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Tapin Tegellan
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:30:00 -
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1)is a bit lame. If you arrange a duel its always a good idea to have a friend in system as backup incase things like this happen. Generally someone who will request a duel will be out for your blood so its not usually a good idea to trust them too much...
2) No big deal you thought you would loose anyway and you did.
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything
Young American? Do you even know my age? And the game is far from getting overran, it's the low-sec of space that have the strongest PvPers. If you want to go back to a land of EVE where the belts are rich in ore and the PvP is at a minimum...
Go BACK TO EMPIRE. And take the t2 tissues with you.
delusions of granduer much?
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Surely you jest and teach your classes differently.
Oh Shut up FFS. Stop stroking yourself so hard all the time.
Originally by: Tauruz
Oh and most importantly, forget all this crap about an honourable 1v1.
Ya that was rather the point of the post. The poeple who think "honor is crap" seem to be in the minority today.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
What? What WoW did you come from? The whole game is high-level and zerg ganking! Most these unhonorable smack talking pirates these days are teenage WoW rejects who think they're the sh*t at video games and just want to PvP. Something EVE does NOT need. The game needs both pirates and non-pirates alike, otherwise it's going to upset the economy. I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything. And before you say something I AM American and proud of it too.
*rant off*
Ya ... uhh no one put this guy on my side pls ... *backs off slowly*
Dude you are a carebear and in the wrong frigging game. I dont give a hoot in hell about loosing a ship. Ive lost enough ships in combat over the years to not get attached to my ships anymore.
I was ranting about people thinking "honor is stupid" and "honor is crap" and so on. Its this new generation growing up thinking Honor and Ethics are breakfast cereals. Its has nothign to do with losing a virtual ship in a stupid game, it has to do with a statement on the youth of today.
Oh and you can can that " young American PvP types " bull**** because I have lived on three continents and all of the youth seem to be having this difficulty. My son has a great sense of honor and ethics and he seems to be among few in his school.
What is really perplexing is why people wonder why we have so many young offenders and reject kids that think nothing wrong with killing in real life. Its not exactly rocket science here.
At any rate my ***** was just with people being total frigging cowards. You cant accept a duel anymore in Eve because the 10% that have honor are outnumbered by the 90% that dont.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Suladriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
2) Im on a gate in syndicate
Syndicate....nuff said.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
We had a bs on the other side waiting for you to jump in so he could catch you. You aggroed instead, so he jumped in. Sorry that you messed up. If you had jumped and not aggroed you would have had a decent chance of getting away.
Bah a ferrox warps like a pig. I didnt think Id get past on the other side so I thought Id see how well he would do against a domi one on one. Never had any illusions about winning.
Oh and Im fully insured and have like 2 billion isk so I wasnt goign to pay any ransom. Nor am I silly enough to fit anything expensive on a ship in syndicate. I had the choice of selling that ship or getting it blown up and blown up was faster because I didnt wnt to move it.
What you have is no honor. You should have seen it for what it is and been game to engage one on one just for laughs. But hey, that is your choice. It doesnt make you god of pvp or anything to kill a ferrox with 2 battleships though so just get off it.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything
Young American? Do you even know my age? And the game is far from getting overran, it's the low-sec of space that have the strongest PvPers. If you want to go back to a land of EVE where the belts are rich in ore and the PvP is at a minimum...
Go BACK TO EMPIRE. And take the t2 tissues with you.
Oh give me a frigging break. Pirates blowing up mining barges in lowsec with battleships are not "the strongest pvpers". That isnt especially hard. My god, you really do like to stroke yourself all the time dont you. That must get .... distracting ... at work.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:10:00 -
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I cant belive you teach Eve-PvP, gank tricks you are obviouslly not familliar with.
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Tekee Maruth
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Consrul
Those of you who zerg aren't pvping...
Then, what are they?
Originally by: Consrul
All the talk about "win at any means" above..is bogus...it is hiding behind a reason to avoid 1v1's. Anyone who blows a 1v1 opportunity..or never seeks them out in a pvp game is no better than the carebears they mock.
Whats with this turn-on by 1v1?
For real, maybe you should be the one trying something new.
1v1 reveals no skill what so ever, it will simply be a matter of who is in the better fitted ship and of course what ship against what ship.
Will you say that if a a scorp takes on an apoc in 1v1, jams him, kills him he has shown skill? Let me enlighten you then, he hasn't.
Skill in PvP lies in the decisions, such as whether or not to fight. To know when youre outnumbered/outgunned, or simply without a chance. This has nothing to do with cowardice at all, its simple good ol'e fashioned reason.
You all speak of honour.. what is honour?
Is it going berserk in a zealous rage, not thinking about the consequence or outcome?
For real, honour is about as useful as a c.o.c.k. flavoured lollypop, it was worth something a couple of centuries ago, maybe. The only honour left is, "honouring" for instance agreements. And to point number 1. by the author of this thread, i completely agree its lame. If you have to be so dumb and agree to 1v1, finish it, and excercise the only honour left your censcent <spelling> to 1v1
Originally by: Consrul
guy above...man why the generalization?
And yet you say, most people are cowards.
What has this world come to.. less whine more playing.
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Kylana Darkfate
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: crom ralphfao
on another note; i am starting to cringe every time i hear that fuzzy lovin bear name given to whoever isnt you or your gank squad friends. a previous poster put it right..........it is you. i dont expect people to change though, until they graduate high school maybe.
I know, I seriously want to stab the person in the face everytime I read "carebear" anymore.
And to all these kiddies who think honor is something stupid and doesn't exsist, in a few years when you grow up you'll understand things...hopefully. Because as these boards well show, age does NOT = maturity.
...and where does that guy think I care about losing a ship. I honestly can't even remember the last time I got mad at a video game.
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Kylana Darkfate
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
Originally by: crom ralphfao
on another note; i am starting to cringe every time i hear that fuzzy lovin bear name given to whoever isnt you or your gank squad friends. a previous poster put it right..........it is you. i dont expect people to change though, until they graduate high school maybe.
I know, I seriously want to stab the person in the face everytime I read "carebear" anymore. It's funny how most people who use it weren't even born yet when they first came out.
And to all these kiddies who think honor is something stupid and doesn't exsist, in a few years when you grow up you'll understand things...hopefully. Because as these boards well show, age does NOT = maturity.
...and where does that guy think I care about losing a ship. I honestly can't even remember the last time I got mad at a video game.
This thread is becoming a perfect example of 'generation gap'. Older players don't like the way younger players are doing things and think they're immature. Younger players think themselves are always right and think older players are "carebears".
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Balklanac
I cant belive you teach Eve-PvP, gank tricks you are obviouslly not familliar with.
Not considering them honorable and not using them myself is different than not knowing them. Of course I know them. I also know there are probably ways to hack ever to cheat for me; does that mean that those should be used as well? I know that there are ways to cheat on my taxes, should I use those?
If you consider anything possible to do to be fair game or the only thing that stops you from doing a thing is that it is illegal then you are the epitomy of the problem I mentioned.
Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
I know, I seriously want to stab the person in the face everytime I read "carebear" anymore.
Carebear means nothing anymore ... its just another meaningless insult word people apply to someone they dont like.
Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
And to all these kiddies who think honor is something stupid and doesn't exsist, in a few years when you grow up you'll understand things...hopefully.
No .... no they wont ... that is what is scary. These people will be out in the adult world not caring one little bit. And people will still be suprised when things like Enron happen.  
Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
...and where does that guy think I care about losing a ship. I honestly can't even remember the last time I got mad at a video game.
bah ... I wont say I never get ****ed at the game, that would be lieing. But in general its just a game. I get ****ed and log off and turn around to my wonderful wife, nice boy of a 9 year old son and cute little 7 month old daughter and anything in this game or any other game suddenly becomes irrelevant.
The problem isnt the game, its the people.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:13:00 -
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Let me put it another way Rells.
I'm tired of your idiotic generalisations.
For point 2 you persist in saying "he has no honour". I read that as "the OP was stupid".
Seriously. A domi would have raped you. No questions. 100% of the time. His friend wanted in on the killmail so he joined in. Thats the extent of it.
You harping on about honour makes me think you are out of touch with reality. People don't play this game to meet with your approval or expectations. Stop thinking they will.
Situational awareness ranks up there with ship setup in pvp skills. I score you an F-
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Ank Myrandor
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Oh give me a frigging break. Pirates blowing up mining barges in lowsec with battleships are not "the strongest pvpers". That isnt especially hard. My god, you really do like to stroke yourself all the time dont you. That must get .... distracting ... at work.
ehh rells should I remind u that the low-sec pirates are indeed the best pirates with the most disatvantages while pvp'fng ? while taking on enemy's they also need to tank the sentry's. and if their belt hunting no one is ever gonna do some barge mining without good protection....
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 13:11:00 -
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Killing mining barges is difficult
I never do arranged 1v1 either because I know people want to kill me badly, players will usually try any under handed trick to kill a pirate and its ok, I accept that. Actually I do some arranged 1v1 with other ceptors and af pilots when I was out in syndicate, but thats againts people who I know want some fun pvp and are not just out for the gank.
On your second point..
What was the guy in domi meant to say? The bc has gone agro on me, but dont jump in even though you probably havnt had any action in the last hour.
OP you need to get a reality check.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2006.03.10 13:59:00 -
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Rells,
I think most happily agree that not honouring a 1v1 is lame at any time and for any reason. The very essence of a 1v1 is an honourable fight and shouldn't even be used to trick and gank the lowest of the low.
But for your 2nd point you cannot complain. At it's simplest you have no idea whatsoever if these 2 people were even working together. On countless occasions have I wanted to solo kill someone (un- arranged) and a friend or corp mate just happens to appear and I am not going to stop them enjoying helping me out. If I know they are on their way I might tell them not to but the situation you ended up in could have a number of reasons, don't assume you know what it is.
More honour would be good in Eve (and life in general) and if you can get it then enjoy it but generally people do what they want to win - end of story. Assume people will do this 1st then if you sense honour in a situation, react to it with your own.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 10/03/2006 16:04:53
Originally by: Deja Thoris
For point 2 you persist in saying "he has no honour". I read that as "the OP was stupid".
Seriously. A domi would have raped you. No questions. 100% of the time. His friend wanted in on the killmail so he joined in. Thats the extent of it.
You harping on about honour makes me think you are out of touch with reality. People don't play this game to meet with your approval or expectations. Stop thinking they will.
Seriously. If someone said to me "Nah just wait on the other side of the gate while I kill this guy" I woulda been like "**** that I wanna shoot him too."
So its more "honorable" to kill you with a single BS than it is to kill you with 2 BS? I mean you are gonna die horribly either way, I don't see the difference. Maybe if I was also in a BC and called for backup against a same sized ship then your argument would actually make sense.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Let me put it another way Rells.
I'm tired of your idiotic generalisations.
I dont care what you are tired of. Move along now.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: migwar
delusions of granduer much?
She's practically a celebrity around here, you know. Like Angelina Jolie or that woman who played the protagonist in Underworld.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ank Myrandor
Originally by: Rells
Oh give me a frigging break. Pirates blowing up mining barges in lowsec with battleships are not "the strongest pvpers". That isnt especially hard. My god, you really do like to stroke yourself all the time dont you. That must get .... distracting ... at work.
ehh rells should I remind u that the low-sec pirates are indeed the best pirates with the most disatvantages while pvp'fng ? while taking on enemy's they also need to tank the sentry's. and if their belt hunting no one is ever gonna do some barge mining without good protection....
Bullpucky. Tanking sentrys isnt that hard. Anyone without a brain can manage it by looking up a "ship set up" post made by someone with a brain in their corp or elswhere. And as for your woes in asteroid belts, cry me a river. Man those strip mining lasers must hit hard.
Piracy is legit in this game and I have no problem with it but STOP trying to make yourself out to be a leet PvPer because you can kill a barge. Just stop. Go about your piracy day and night but just stop the idiocy please.
If you want to prove you are a leet PvPer, go into 0.0 and shoot at people capable and quite willing to shoot back. THEN you might have a case for stating you have skill. Until then just leave off.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:16:00 -
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dude, you do apear to be pretty clueless, pirating in empire is imensley more difficult than pirating in 0.0
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Originally by: migwar
delusions of granduer much?
She's practically a celebrity around here, you know. Like Angelina Jolie or that woman who played the protagonist in Underworld.
I'd always figured malka was a guy rp'ing a female character. You've just spoilt Angelina Joli for me, you bastard.
no skills, just luck.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:34:00 -
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Fair enough, I can agree with that.
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Fanden
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:40:00 -
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Ya need ta be gankin' barges solo ina merlin, den ye gots me respect.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:45:00 -
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Why does every thread malka is involved in turn into a discussion whether or not she is a female? Are you guys seriously that big nerds? Malka is a ******* gamer, and apparently a good one from reputation, end of story, who gives a **** if its a girl or not.
And in my opinion low sec piracy takes much, much less skill then 0.0 piracy. I don't know where people are possibly coming up with it the other way around. Not to say that low sec piracy takes no skill, as it does, it takes a lot. But in general, the people you will be fighting/ransoming in low sec will be complete noobs, with completely terrible setups, and unless you are -5, you are safe from retaliation unless you aggro. Whereas in 0.0, the majority of people you will be fighting/ransoming are not noobs, will have good setups, and you face retaliation anywhere and almost immediately from their friends.
Brief example: Yesterday after all this crap in this post happened, we were hunting in upper syndicate with 2 vexors, 3 inties. We found a mining party and killed it, getting 5 kills. The mining party's corp sent in 2 nosdomis to take us out as we were collecting loot, so we got out of there and headed back. We were only a few jumps away from HQ, so i ordered our inty pilots to keep them busy and slowly draw them towards our HQ while me and the vexor pilot ran back and got in BS. Pulled another aggrotrap with my domi, jump in other BS, spankage, ransom pods. Can you do this in low sec at all?
Or also an everyday example is a inty and a BS roaming around killing ****, while simultaniously faking out/dodging response blobs and killing more. You can't do things like that in low sec.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 10/03/2006 16:55:27
Originally by: Zysco
And in my opinion low sec piracy takes much, much less skill then 0.0 piracy. I don't know where people are possibly coming up with it the other way around.
Dunno about harder, but lowsec ganks have to be fast and ruthlessly effective since .5 is only ever a couple of jumps away, with the posibility of getting trapped or stranded.
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Or also an everyday example is a inty and a BS roaming around killing ****, while simultaniously faking out/dodging response blobs and killing more. You can't do things like that in low sec.
err... becasue it's harder?
Originally by: Zysco
blah blah Are you guys seriously that big nerds? blah blah
Playing Eve and posting on an internet forum. Evidently we are.
no skills, just luck.
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