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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:27:00 -
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Two incidents today.
1) Someone challenges a duel .. BC to BC and I accept. I am winning the fight and he warps a friend in with a battleship and blows up my ship.
2) Im on a gate in syndicate and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Grow some balls people.
-- Rells
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:29:00 -
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1: lame, agreed
2: Allways presume the other guy has friends 
Alliaanna
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
1: lame, agreed
2: Allways presume the other guy has friends
Alliaanna
THat he has friends is irrlevant. He should have been able to handle a ferrox in a dommi. I would have fought the guy one on one and told my corpmate to stay out of it.
There are a lot of cowards in pirate clothes about.
-- Rells
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:34:00 -
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There is plenty of carebears that will do the same thing.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
1: lame, agreed
2: Allways presume the other guy has friends
Alliaanna
THat he has friends is irrlevant. He should have been able to handle a ferrox in a dommi. I would have fought the guy one on one and told my corpmate to stay out of it.
There are a lot of cowards in pirate clothes about.
Picture the scene, im on a gate in a geddon... A Proph engages while I have a team mate on the other side.
Moi: "Rofl silly Bc ahoy... Yarrr"
Copry: "lol"
Now does corp member....
A: Sit there bored ?
B: Jump through and engage putting more scramble strength on you and ensuring the kill
C: Jump through and slaughter his corp-m8 cos he's drunk ?
its a tough choice between B & C im thinking.
Alliaanna
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:37:00 -
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2) wasn't an arranged 1v1. The quicker he kills you, the quicker he can get away from the gate.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 09/03/2006 21:39:23
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1) Someone challenges a duel .. BC to BC and I accept. I am winning the fight and he warps a friend in with a battleship and blows up my ship.
You should have checked local or at least requested that his friend leave the area. It is your responcibility, as someone who is teaching rookies PvP, to understand more than just button tactics. Common sense tactics of survivability need to be a course you learn to pass onto your students. After all, you are teaching survival methods against PvPers and Pirates, surely one of the points is to be weary of trusting -anyone- in their agreement? Quote:
2) Im on a gate in syndicate and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Grow some balls? This game isn't about the happy side of friendship and joy. People are going to bring an overwhealming force (through numbers or tactics) to eliminate their target. If you want honor, loyalty, chivalry, and bravery then I will personally purchase a 30-day timecard for World of Warcraft where you can run around with the dark elves.
No one else has any reason to attack you with just one ship when they can attack you with two. Quote:
I guess my sense of honor is old fashioned.
You were hoping for honor and knighhood in PvP? Surely you jest and teach your classes differently.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:38:00 -
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I guess my sense of honor is old fashioned.
-- Rells
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
I guess my sense of honor is old fashioned.
you didn't challenge him to a 1 on 1... he simply tried to kill you, he succeeded. theres no lack of honor there.
Alliaanna
Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-= |
Tauruz
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tauruz on 09/03/2006 21:43:28
1) If you're going to PVP, always fight people on your terms.
2) Oldest trick in the book. Expect every fight you engage in to be a trap. And see 1).
Oh and most importantly, forget all this crap about an honourable 1v1. The only person that will honour that agreement is you. Your opponent and his 10 friends will be laughing themselves senseless on teamspeak.
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:50:00 -
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Most lowsec pirates are carebears, they don't want a good fight, they want a fight they can win no matter what. Being a carebear doesn't mean you fight or don't fight, being a carebear is about being afraid to take any real risks.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 09/03/2006 21:53:08
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Being a carebear doesn't mean you fight or don't fight, being a carebear is about being afraid to take any real risks.
I disagree. Risks are welcome and accepted but the ability to understand survivability takes priority. You don't undock upon a fifteen ship station camp just for the risk and removal of a carebear title, you stay docked because it's a matter of survival for your ISK and ship. You can choose to risk an engagement of three of your pilots against nine of the victim's pilots, but you do not engage in it if there is a chance that your entire team may we wiped out.
If having an understanding of survivability makes those who use it Carebears, then I suggest that you never again let me scan and find you in a safespot.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 09/03/2006 21:58:27
Originally by: Rells
2) Im on a gate in syndicate and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Grow some balls people.
We had a bs on the other side waiting for you to jump in so he could catch you. You aggroed instead, so he jumped in. Sorry that you messed up. If you had jumped and not aggroed you would have had a decent chance of getting away.
Petition inc offers ransoms at fair prices, but when you started smacking in local your chance at living... lessened.
And I dont really think a domi vs a ferox is a fair fight anyways, so I don't see what you are whining about?
Plz fit better loot next time tho 
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:58:00 -
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hey, I was just trying to be courteous and send him upon his merry way quicker than let my corpmate slowly blow him up.
If he hadn't talked so much **** in local we woulda let him go with a ransom but....
All this talk about survivablity is funny, because the second he returned fire he basically signed away his ship. He wasn't going to beat the domi, and my arrival only made his death quicker..
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:59:00 -
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Good kill then, Exuro Mortis.
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Wild Fox
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
If you want honor, loyalty, chivalry, and bravery then I will personally purchase a 30-day timecard for World of Warcraft where you can run around with the dark elves.
LOL.
/me remembers happy times of running around in a gank squad of four rogues and a druid :-)
Don't know if there was much chivalry there, but we sure made some epiced-out people quite unhappy x_x
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:43:00 -
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Point 1 I agree with
Point 2. I'd be happy to offer you classes in common sense at a small fee. You offer PvP classes but it seems you still have a lot to learn.
When you scanned the domi at the gate was its name "bait" or were they more cunning than that?
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:46:00 -
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Welcome to Syndicate.
By far the harshest of the regions. 
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Manion Taleroth
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Manion Taleroth on 09/03/2006 23:07:25
You're fighting for your ships here, not a mere point on a scoreboard. This isn't about "honor" or "courage." It's about giving the other guy a quick trip home. Don't ever engage a fight you're not going to put your all into to win. Even if that means having to play by rules others wouldn't consider nice.
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Gamble Dakota
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:09:00 -
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Honor is stupid.
Always assume the other guy is looking for a way to screw you over.
Stab him in the back first.
This naturally, applies to enemies, not people you've been flying with for ages.
But watch them too.
Sometimes, logic is also stupid, and I'll fly my ship directly into that massive gatecamp, guns blazing and shouting various war cries and insults to my enemies.
That's 'cause I'm the man in black.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
When you scanned the domi at the gate was its name "bait" or were they more cunning than that?
Actually its named "not Bait."
Not joking here.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Deja Thoris
When you scanned the domi at the gate was its name "bait" or were they more cunning than that?
Actually its named "not Bait."
Not joking here.
Oh, in that case I can see how he fell for it.
Cunning
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Katamarino
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:37:00 -
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Would have got me too 
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mattzz
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:52:00 -
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Lol.
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Hubris
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:45:00 -
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you make too many general statements.
Low sec is low sec. I accept that and accept the fact that like to day I would have 4 people (1 bs, 2 inties, 1 covert ops), chasing my shuttle all over the place. Not much of a fair fight. But they did want to gank me anyway they could.
Carebears do it and pirates do it. It comes down to the pilots and corp. Or would you consider an attack group of us in 4 frigs against 2 domi's, 1 iskur, 1 brutix, 1 hound, and an atron a fair fight. Not a fair fight but man it was fun.
You need to read the little window that popped up the first time you went into a .4 system. It might help when trying to figure out why your loosing ships. You know that whole pvp thing that happens in low sec.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:15:00 -
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When he mentioned a Domi sitting at a gate I immediatly thought of u drunkenone lol. No idea y either 
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Kylana Darkfate
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kylana Darkfate on 10/03/2006 02:02:44
Grow some balls? This game isn't about the happy side of friendship and joy. People are going to bring an overwhealming force (through numbers or tactics) to eliminate their target. If you want honor, loyalty, chivalry, and bravery then I will personally purchase a 30-day timecard for World of Warcraft where you can run around with the dark elves.
What? What WoW did you come from? The whole game is high-level and zerg ganking! Most these unhonorable smack talking pirates these days are teenage WoW rejects who think they're the sh*t at video games and just want to PvP. Something EVE does NOT need. The game needs both pirates and non-pirates alike, otherwise it's going to upset the economy. I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything. And before you say something I AM American and proud of it too.
*rant off*
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Consrul
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Posted - 2006.03.10 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: Consrul on 10/03/2006 03:53:21
regardless of the game..most people dont pvp for the rush/fight...
most people are cowards and simply fight with no honor...for the "zomg i winz" factor.
typical imo
All the talk about "win at any means" above..is bogus...it is hiding behind a reason to avoid 1v1's. Anyone who blows a 1v1 opportunity..or never seaks them out in a pvp game is no better than the carebears tehy mock.
Those of you who zerg aren't pvping your just borging out....and missing half the fun of pvp. Where there is no risk there is no honor/rush/skill. Im not talking small fleet encounters....but 2/5/10 players pounding on one easy 2:1 kill is skilless pvp...and again no better than the carebears they mock imo.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.10 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Two incidents today.
As others pointed above: 1) = lame.
As for 2)... Sorry for being blunt, but that was either stupid, suicidal, or you are so rich that ship losses are not a concern to you.
Nothing dishonorable in it. By being in a low-sec / 0.0 area you had already agreed to shoot and be shot, no quarter asked or given. As long as there are no additional agreements, everything goes. You foe acted according to those rules, hence no dishonor in his actions.
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crom ralphfao
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:15:00 -
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it sucks on the "duel" scenario, that type of cr@p is very junior varsity.
on another note; i am starting to cringe every time i hear that fuzzy lovin bear name given to whoever isnt you or your gank squad friends. a previous poster put it right..........it is you. i dont expect people to change though, until they graduate high school maybe.
now the other scenario doesnt seem so off reality....
1) never underestimate your opponent
2) never fight fair(a dual is like arm wrestling, you will probably win if your friend punches your opponent in the ribs, thats not the way i roll)
3) chivalry is a part time job
4) honor works for some
5) remember those hot dogs stuffed with chili?
6) mmmmm, frankenstuffs
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