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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:27:00 -
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Two incidents today.
1) Someone challenges a duel .. BC to BC and I accept. I am winning the fight and he warps a friend in with a battleship and blows up my ship.
2) Im on a gate in syndicate and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Grow some balls people.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:29:00 -
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1: lame, agreed
2: Allways presume the other guy has friends 
Alliaanna
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
1: lame, agreed
2: Allways presume the other guy has friends
Alliaanna
THat he has friends is irrlevant. He should have been able to handle a ferrox in a dommi. I would have fought the guy one on one and told my corpmate to stay out of it.
There are a lot of cowards in pirate clothes about.
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:34:00 -
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There is plenty of carebears that will do the same thing.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
1: lame, agreed
2: Allways presume the other guy has friends
Alliaanna
THat he has friends is irrlevant. He should have been able to handle a ferrox in a dommi. I would have fought the guy one on one and told my corpmate to stay out of it.
There are a lot of cowards in pirate clothes about.
Picture the scene, im on a gate in a geddon... A Proph engages while I have a team mate on the other side.
Moi: "Rofl silly Bc ahoy... Yarrr"
Copry: "lol"
Now does corp member....
A: Sit there bored ?
B: Jump through and engage putting more scramble strength on you and ensuring the kill
C: Jump through and slaughter his corp-m8 cos he's drunk ?
its a tough choice between B & C im thinking.
Alliaanna
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:37:00 -
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2) wasn't an arranged 1v1. The quicker he kills you, the quicker he can get away from the gate.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 09/03/2006 21:39:23
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1) Someone challenges a duel .. BC to BC and I accept. I am winning the fight and he warps a friend in with a battleship and blows up my ship.
You should have checked local or at least requested that his friend leave the area. It is your responcibility, as someone who is teaching rookies PvP, to understand more than just button tactics. Common sense tactics of survivability need to be a course you learn to pass onto your students. After all, you are teaching survival methods against PvPers and Pirates, surely one of the points is to be weary of trusting -anyone- in their agreement? Quote:
2) Im on a gate in syndicate and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Grow some balls? This game isn't about the happy side of friendship and joy. People are going to bring an overwhealming force (through numbers or tactics) to eliminate their target. If you want honor, loyalty, chivalry, and bravery then I will personally purchase a 30-day timecard for World of Warcraft where you can run around with the dark elves.
No one else has any reason to attack you with just one ship when they can attack you with two. Quote:
I guess my sense of honor is old fashioned.
You were hoping for honor and knighhood in PvP? Surely you jest and teach your classes differently.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:38:00 -
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I guess my sense of honor is old fashioned.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
I guess my sense of honor is old fashioned.
you didn't challenge him to a 1 on 1... he simply tried to kill you, he succeeded. theres no lack of honor there.
Alliaanna
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Tauruz
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tauruz on 09/03/2006 21:43:28
1) If you're going to PVP, always fight people on your terms.
2) Oldest trick in the book. Expect every fight you engage in to be a trap. And see 1).
Oh and most importantly, forget all this crap about an honourable 1v1. The only person that will honour that agreement is you. Your opponent and his 10 friends will be laughing themselves senseless on teamspeak.
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:50:00 -
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Most lowsec pirates are carebears, they don't want a good fight, they want a fight they can win no matter what. Being a carebear doesn't mean you fight or don't fight, being a carebear is about being afraid to take any real risks.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 09/03/2006 21:53:08
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Being a carebear doesn't mean you fight or don't fight, being a carebear is about being afraid to take any real risks.
I disagree. Risks are welcome and accepted but the ability to understand survivability takes priority. You don't undock upon a fifteen ship station camp just for the risk and removal of a carebear title, you stay docked because it's a matter of survival for your ISK and ship. You can choose to risk an engagement of three of your pilots against nine of the victim's pilots, but you do not engage in it if there is a chance that your entire team may we wiped out.
If having an understanding of survivability makes those who use it Carebears, then I suggest that you never again let me scan and find you in a safespot.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 09/03/2006 21:58:27
Originally by: Rells
2) Im on a gate in syndicate and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Grow some balls people.
We had a bs on the other side waiting for you to jump in so he could catch you. You aggroed instead, so he jumped in. Sorry that you messed up. If you had jumped and not aggroed you would have had a decent chance of getting away.
Petition inc offers ransoms at fair prices, but when you started smacking in local your chance at living... lessened.
And I dont really think a domi vs a ferox is a fair fight anyways, so I don't see what you are whining about?
Plz fit better loot next time tho 
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:58:00 -
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hey, I was just trying to be courteous and send him upon his merry way quicker than let my corpmate slowly blow him up.
If he hadn't talked so much **** in local we woulda let him go with a ransom but....
All this talk about survivablity is funny, because the second he returned fire he basically signed away his ship. He wasn't going to beat the domi, and my arrival only made his death quicker..
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:59:00 -
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Good kill then, Exuro Mortis.
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Wild Fox
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
If you want honor, loyalty, chivalry, and bravery then I will personally purchase a 30-day timecard for World of Warcraft where you can run around with the dark elves.
LOL.
/me remembers happy times of running around in a gank squad of four rogues and a druid :-)
Don't know if there was much chivalry there, but we sure made some epiced-out people quite unhappy x_x
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:43:00 -
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Point 1 I agree with
Point 2. I'd be happy to offer you classes in common sense at a small fee. You offer PvP classes but it seems you still have a lot to learn.
When you scanned the domi at the gate was its name "bait" or were they more cunning than that?
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:46:00 -
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Welcome to Syndicate.
By far the harshest of the regions. 
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Manion Taleroth
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Manion Taleroth on 09/03/2006 23:07:25
You're fighting for your ships here, not a mere point on a scoreboard. This isn't about "honor" or "courage." It's about giving the other guy a quick trip home. Don't ever engage a fight you're not going to put your all into to win. Even if that means having to play by rules others wouldn't consider nice.
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Gamble Dakota
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:09:00 -
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Honor is stupid.
Always assume the other guy is looking for a way to screw you over.
Stab him in the back first.
This naturally, applies to enemies, not people you've been flying with for ages.
But watch them too.
Sometimes, logic is also stupid, and I'll fly my ship directly into that massive gatecamp, guns blazing and shouting various war cries and insults to my enemies.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
When you scanned the domi at the gate was its name "bait" or were they more cunning than that?
Actually its named "not Bait."
Not joking here.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Deja Thoris
When you scanned the domi at the gate was its name "bait" or were they more cunning than that?
Actually its named "not Bait."
Not joking here.
Oh, in that case I can see how he fell for it.
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Katamarino
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:37:00 -
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Would have got me too 
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mattzz
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:52:00 -
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Lol.
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Hubris
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:45:00 -
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you make too many general statements.
Low sec is low sec. I accept that and accept the fact that like to day I would have 4 people (1 bs, 2 inties, 1 covert ops), chasing my shuttle all over the place. Not much of a fair fight. But they did want to gank me anyway they could.
Carebears do it and pirates do it. It comes down to the pilots and corp. Or would you consider an attack group of us in 4 frigs against 2 domi's, 1 iskur, 1 brutix, 1 hound, and an atron a fair fight. Not a fair fight but man it was fun.
You need to read the little window that popped up the first time you went into a .4 system. It might help when trying to figure out why your loosing ships. You know that whole pvp thing that happens in low sec.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:15:00 -
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When he mentioned a Domi sitting at a gate I immediatly thought of u drunkenone lol. No idea y either 
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Kylana Darkfate
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kylana Darkfate on 10/03/2006 02:02:44
Grow some balls? This game isn't about the happy side of friendship and joy. People are going to bring an overwhealming force (through numbers or tactics) to eliminate their target. If you want honor, loyalty, chivalry, and bravery then I will personally purchase a 30-day timecard for World of Warcraft where you can run around with the dark elves.
What? What WoW did you come from? The whole game is high-level and zerg ganking! Most these unhonorable smack talking pirates these days are teenage WoW rejects who think they're the sh*t at video games and just want to PvP. Something EVE does NOT need. The game needs both pirates and non-pirates alike, otherwise it's going to upset the economy. I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything. And before you say something I AM American and proud of it too.
*rant off*
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Consrul
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Posted - 2006.03.10 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: Consrul on 10/03/2006 03:53:21
regardless of the game..most people dont pvp for the rush/fight...
most people are cowards and simply fight with no honor...for the "zomg i winz" factor.
typical imo
All the talk about "win at any means" above..is bogus...it is hiding behind a reason to avoid 1v1's. Anyone who blows a 1v1 opportunity..or never seaks them out in a pvp game is no better than the carebears tehy mock.
Those of you who zerg aren't pvping your just borging out....and missing half the fun of pvp. Where there is no risk there is no honor/rush/skill. Im not talking small fleet encounters....but 2/5/10 players pounding on one easy 2:1 kill is skilless pvp...and again no better than the carebears they mock imo.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.10 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Two incidents today.
As others pointed above: 1) = lame.
As for 2)... Sorry for being blunt, but that was either stupid, suicidal, or you are so rich that ship losses are not a concern to you.
Nothing dishonorable in it. By being in a low-sec / 0.0 area you had already agreed to shoot and be shot, no quarter asked or given. As long as there are no additional agreements, everything goes. You foe acted according to those rules, hence no dishonor in his actions.
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crom ralphfao
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:15:00 -
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it sucks on the "duel" scenario, that type of cr@p is very junior varsity.
on another note; i am starting to cringe every time i hear that fuzzy lovin bear name given to whoever isnt you or your gank squad friends. a previous poster put it right..........it is you. i dont expect people to change though, until they graduate high school maybe.
now the other scenario doesnt seem so off reality....
1) never underestimate your opponent
2) never fight fair(a dual is like arm wrestling, you will probably win if your friend punches your opponent in the ribs, thats not the way i roll)
3) chivalry is a part time job
4) honor works for some
5) remember those hot dogs stuffed with chili?
6) mmmmm, frankenstuffs
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:46:00 -
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Ive lost 3 out of the last 4 1vs1s Ive done, and they're still a hell of alot more fun than all the ganks we're generally a part of.
As for the OP:
1 - Was lame.
2 - The amount of times Ive heard people laughing at others because they're "running from a Thorax in a raven", only to find out 10 seconds later that there was 5 BS on the other side of the gate... Oldest trick in the book :)
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:46:00 -
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I'd also like to report that you were bents first kill since he reactivated his account yesterday, and he was very happy with his choice to reactivate after he saw his 1st victim upon returning already flaming him in local.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Two incidents today.
1) Someone challenges a duel .. BC to BC and I accept. I am winning the fight and he warps a friend in with a battleship and blows up my ship.
2) Im on a gate in syndicate and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Grow some balls people.
If it was a truely arranged 1v1 and it was dishonored shame on the nob head that didnt hold up his end, You must take precautions to ensure your own SURIVAL. I.E make sure it is a true 1v1 or dont accept them simple
#2 There, well I got to say overwhelming force is the best way to survive, you got into a situation and he had a buddy, not to hard to guess the out come.
I aint doggin ya dude just got to use common sense and adapt to current gameplay there is no honor just different lvl's of good and evil. 
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.10 05:33:00 -
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I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything
Young American? Do you even know my age? And the game is far from getting overran, it's the low-sec of space that have the strongest PvPers. If you want to go back to a land of EVE where the belts are rich in ore and the PvP is at a minimum...
Go BACK TO EMPIRE. And take the t2 tissues with you.
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Tapin Tegellan
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:30:00 -
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1)is a bit lame. If you arrange a duel its always a good idea to have a friend in system as backup incase things like this happen. Generally someone who will request a duel will be out for your blood so its not usually a good idea to trust them too much...
2) No big deal you thought you would loose anyway and you did.
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything
Young American? Do you even know my age? And the game is far from getting overran, it's the low-sec of space that have the strongest PvPers. If you want to go back to a land of EVE where the belts are rich in ore and the PvP is at a minimum...
Go BACK TO EMPIRE. And take the t2 tissues with you.
delusions of granduer much?
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Surely you jest and teach your classes differently.
Oh Shut up FFS. Stop stroking yourself so hard all the time.
Originally by: Tauruz
Oh and most importantly, forget all this crap about an honourable 1v1.
Ya that was rather the point of the post. The poeple who think "honor is crap" seem to be in the minority today.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
What? What WoW did you come from? The whole game is high-level and zerg ganking! Most these unhonorable smack talking pirates these days are teenage WoW rejects who think they're the sh*t at video games and just want to PvP. Something EVE does NOT need. The game needs both pirates and non-pirates alike, otherwise it's going to upset the economy. I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything. And before you say something I AM American and proud of it too.
*rant off*
Ya ... uhh no one put this guy on my side pls ... *backs off slowly*
Dude you are a carebear and in the wrong frigging game. I dont give a hoot in hell about loosing a ship. Ive lost enough ships in combat over the years to not get attached to my ships anymore.
I was ranting about people thinking "honor is stupid" and "honor is crap" and so on. Its this new generation growing up thinking Honor and Ethics are breakfast cereals. Its has nothign to do with losing a virtual ship in a stupid game, it has to do with a statement on the youth of today.
Oh and you can can that " young American PvP types " bull**** because I have lived on three continents and all of the youth seem to be having this difficulty. My son has a great sense of honor and ethics and he seems to be among few in his school.
What is really perplexing is why people wonder why we have so many young offenders and reject kids that think nothing wrong with killing in real life. Its not exactly rocket science here.
At any rate my ***** was just with people being total frigging cowards. You cant accept a duel anymore in Eve because the 10% that have honor are outnumbered by the 90% that dont.
-- Rells
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Suladriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
2) Im on a gate in syndicate
Syndicate....nuff said.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
We had a bs on the other side waiting for you to jump in so he could catch you. You aggroed instead, so he jumped in. Sorry that you messed up. If you had jumped and not aggroed you would have had a decent chance of getting away.
Bah a ferrox warps like a pig. I didnt think Id get past on the other side so I thought Id see how well he would do against a domi one on one. Never had any illusions about winning.
Oh and Im fully insured and have like 2 billion isk so I wasnt goign to pay any ransom. Nor am I silly enough to fit anything expensive on a ship in syndicate. I had the choice of selling that ship or getting it blown up and blown up was faster because I didnt wnt to move it.
What you have is no honor. You should have seen it for what it is and been game to engage one on one just for laughs. But hey, that is your choice. It doesnt make you god of pvp or anything to kill a ferrox with 2 battleships though so just get off it.
-- Rells
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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I hate the fact this game is getting overrun by all these "hardcore" young American PvP types who think they know everything
Young American? Do you even know my age? And the game is far from getting overran, it's the low-sec of space that have the strongest PvPers. If you want to go back to a land of EVE where the belts are rich in ore and the PvP is at a minimum...
Go BACK TO EMPIRE. And take the t2 tissues with you.
Oh give me a frigging break. Pirates blowing up mining barges in lowsec with battleships are not "the strongest pvpers". That isnt especially hard. My god, you really do like to stroke yourself all the time dont you. That must get .... distracting ... at work.
-- Rells
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:10:00 -
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I cant belive you teach Eve-PvP, gank tricks you are obviouslly not familliar with.
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Tekee Maruth
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Consrul
Those of you who zerg aren't pvping...
Then, what are they?
Originally by: Consrul
All the talk about "win at any means" above..is bogus...it is hiding behind a reason to avoid 1v1's. Anyone who blows a 1v1 opportunity..or never seeks them out in a pvp game is no better than the carebears they mock.
Whats with this turn-on by 1v1?
For real, maybe you should be the one trying something new.
1v1 reveals no skill what so ever, it will simply be a matter of who is in the better fitted ship and of course what ship against what ship.
Will you say that if a a scorp takes on an apoc in 1v1, jams him, kills him he has shown skill? Let me enlighten you then, he hasn't.
Skill in PvP lies in the decisions, such as whether or not to fight. To know when youre outnumbered/outgunned, or simply without a chance. This has nothing to do with cowardice at all, its simple good ol'e fashioned reason.
You all speak of honour.. what is honour?
Is it going berserk in a zealous rage, not thinking about the consequence or outcome?
For real, honour is about as useful as a c.o.c.k. flavoured lollypop, it was worth something a couple of centuries ago, maybe. The only honour left is, "honouring" for instance agreements. And to point number 1. by the author of this thread, i completely agree its lame. If you have to be so dumb and agree to 1v1, finish it, and excercise the only honour left your censcent <spelling> to 1v1
Originally by: Consrul
guy above...man why the generalization?
And yet you say, most people are cowards.
What has this world come to.. less whine more playing.
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Kylana Darkfate
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: crom ralphfao
on another note; i am starting to cringe every time i hear that fuzzy lovin bear name given to whoever isnt you or your gank squad friends. a previous poster put it right..........it is you. i dont expect people to change though, until they graduate high school maybe.
I know, I seriously want to stab the person in the face everytime I read "carebear" anymore.
And to all these kiddies who think honor is something stupid and doesn't exsist, in a few years when you grow up you'll understand things...hopefully. Because as these boards well show, age does NOT = maturity.
...and where does that guy think I care about losing a ship. I honestly can't even remember the last time I got mad at a video game.
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Kylana Darkfate
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
Originally by: crom ralphfao
on another note; i am starting to cringe every time i hear that fuzzy lovin bear name given to whoever isnt you or your gank squad friends. a previous poster put it right..........it is you. i dont expect people to change though, until they graduate high school maybe.
I know, I seriously want to stab the person in the face everytime I read "carebear" anymore. It's funny how most people who use it weren't even born yet when they first came out.
And to all these kiddies who think honor is something stupid and doesn't exsist, in a few years when you grow up you'll understand things...hopefully. Because as these boards well show, age does NOT = maturity.
...and where does that guy think I care about losing a ship. I honestly can't even remember the last time I got mad at a video game.
This thread is becoming a perfect example of 'generation gap'. Older players don't like the way younger players are doing things and think they're immature. Younger players think themselves are always right and think older players are "carebears".
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Balklanac
I cant belive you teach Eve-PvP, gank tricks you are obviouslly not familliar with.
Not considering them honorable and not using them myself is different than not knowing them. Of course I know them. I also know there are probably ways to hack ever to cheat for me; does that mean that those should be used as well? I know that there are ways to cheat on my taxes, should I use those?
If you consider anything possible to do to be fair game or the only thing that stops you from doing a thing is that it is illegal then you are the epitomy of the problem I mentioned.
Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
I know, I seriously want to stab the person in the face everytime I read "carebear" anymore.
Carebear means nothing anymore ... its just another meaningless insult word people apply to someone they dont like.
Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
And to all these kiddies who think honor is something stupid and doesn't exsist, in a few years when you grow up you'll understand things...hopefully.
No .... no they wont ... that is what is scary. These people will be out in the adult world not caring one little bit. And people will still be suprised when things like Enron happen. 
Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
...and where does that guy think I care about losing a ship. I honestly can't even remember the last time I got mad at a video game.
bah ... I wont say I never get ****ed at the game, that would be lieing. But in general its just a game. I get ****ed and log off and turn around to my wonderful wife, nice boy of a 9 year old son and cute little 7 month old daughter and anything in this game or any other game suddenly becomes irrelevant.
The problem isnt the game, its the people.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:13:00 -
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Let me put it another way Rells.
I'm tired of your idiotic generalisations.
For point 2 you persist in saying "he has no honour". I read that as "the OP was stupid".
Seriously. A domi would have raped you. No questions. 100% of the time. His friend wanted in on the killmail so he joined in. Thats the extent of it.
You harping on about honour makes me think you are out of touch with reality. People don't play this game to meet with your approval or expectations. Stop thinking they will.
Situational awareness ranks up there with ship setup in pvp skills. I score you an F-
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Ank Myrandor
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Oh give me a frigging break. Pirates blowing up mining barges in lowsec with battleships are not "the strongest pvpers". That isnt especially hard. My god, you really do like to stroke yourself all the time dont you. That must get .... distracting ... at work.
ehh rells should I remind u that the low-sec pirates are indeed the best pirates with the most disatvantages while pvp'fng ? while taking on enemy's they also need to tank the sentry's. and if their belt hunting no one is ever gonna do some barge mining without good protection....
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 13:11:00 -
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Killing mining barges is difficult
I never do arranged 1v1 either because I know people want to kill me badly, players will usually try any under handed trick to kill a pirate and its ok, I accept that. Actually I do some arranged 1v1 with other ceptors and af pilots when I was out in syndicate, but thats againts people who I know want some fun pvp and are not just out for the gank.
On your second point..
What was the guy in domi meant to say? The bc has gone agro on me, but dont jump in even though you probably havnt had any action in the last hour.
OP you need to get a reality check.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2006.03.10 13:59:00 -
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Rells,
I think most happily agree that not honouring a 1v1 is lame at any time and for any reason. The very essence of a 1v1 is an honourable fight and shouldn't even be used to trick and gank the lowest of the low.
But for your 2nd point you cannot complain. At it's simplest you have no idea whatsoever if these 2 people were even working together. On countless occasions have I wanted to solo kill someone (un- arranged) and a friend or corp mate just happens to appear and I am not going to stop them enjoying helping me out. If I know they are on their way I might tell them not to but the situation you ended up in could have a number of reasons, don't assume you know what it is.
More honour would be good in Eve (and life in general) and if you can get it then enjoy it but generally people do what they want to win - end of story. Assume people will do this 1st then if you sense honour in a situation, react to it with your own.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 10/03/2006 16:04:53
Originally by: Deja Thoris
For point 2 you persist in saying "he has no honour". I read that as "the OP was stupid".
Seriously. A domi would have raped you. No questions. 100% of the time. His friend wanted in on the killmail so he joined in. Thats the extent of it.
You harping on about honour makes me think you are out of touch with reality. People don't play this game to meet with your approval or expectations. Stop thinking they will.
Seriously. If someone said to me "Nah just wait on the other side of the gate while I kill this guy" I woulda been like "**** that I wanna shoot him too."
So its more "honorable" to kill you with a single BS than it is to kill you with 2 BS? I mean you are gonna die horribly either way, I don't see the difference. Maybe if I was also in a BC and called for backup against a same sized ship then your argument would actually make sense.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Let me put it another way Rells.
I'm tired of your idiotic generalisations.
I dont care what you are tired of. Move along now.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: migwar
delusions of granduer much?
She's practically a celebrity around here, you know. Like Angelina Jolie or that woman who played the protagonist in Underworld.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ank Myrandor
Originally by: Rells
Oh give me a frigging break. Pirates blowing up mining barges in lowsec with battleships are not "the strongest pvpers". That isnt especially hard. My god, you really do like to stroke yourself all the time dont you. That must get .... distracting ... at work.
ehh rells should I remind u that the low-sec pirates are indeed the best pirates with the most disatvantages while pvp'fng ? while taking on enemy's they also need to tank the sentry's. and if their belt hunting no one is ever gonna do some barge mining without good protection....
Bullpucky. Tanking sentrys isnt that hard. Anyone without a brain can manage it by looking up a "ship set up" post made by someone with a brain in their corp or elswhere. And as for your woes in asteroid belts, cry me a river. Man those strip mining lasers must hit hard.
Piracy is legit in this game and I have no problem with it but STOP trying to make yourself out to be a leet PvPer because you can kill a barge. Just stop. Go about your piracy day and night but just stop the idiocy please.
If you want to prove you are a leet PvPer, go into 0.0 and shoot at people capable and quite willing to shoot back. THEN you might have a case for stating you have skill. Until then just leave off.
-- Rells
◄ PvP University: Isnt it about time you learned to fight back?
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:16:00 -
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dude, you do apear to be pretty clueless, pirating in empire is imensley more difficult than pirating in 0.0
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Originally by: migwar
delusions of granduer much?
She's practically a celebrity around here, you know. Like Angelina Jolie or that woman who played the protagonist in Underworld.
I'd always figured malka was a guy rp'ing a female character. You've just spoilt Angelina Joli for me, you bastard.
no skills, just luck.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:34:00 -
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Fair enough, I can agree with that.
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Fanden
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:40:00 -
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Ya need ta be gankin' barges solo ina merlin, den ye gots me respect.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:45:00 -
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Why does every thread malka is involved in turn into a discussion whether or not she is a female? Are you guys seriously that big nerds? Malka is a ******* gamer, and apparently a good one from reputation, end of story, who gives a **** if its a girl or not.
And in my opinion low sec piracy takes much, much less skill then 0.0 piracy. I don't know where people are possibly coming up with it the other way around. Not to say that low sec piracy takes no skill, as it does, it takes a lot. But in general, the people you will be fighting/ransoming in low sec will be complete noobs, with completely terrible setups, and unless you are -5, you are safe from retaliation unless you aggro. Whereas in 0.0, the majority of people you will be fighting/ransoming are not noobs, will have good setups, and you face retaliation anywhere and almost immediately from their friends.
Brief example: Yesterday after all this crap in this post happened, we were hunting in upper syndicate with 2 vexors, 3 inties. We found a mining party and killed it, getting 5 kills. The mining party's corp sent in 2 nosdomis to take us out as we were collecting loot, so we got out of there and headed back. We were only a few jumps away from HQ, so i ordered our inty pilots to keep them busy and slowly draw them towards our HQ while me and the vexor pilot ran back and got in BS. Pulled another aggrotrap with my domi, jump in other BS, spankage, ransom pods. Can you do this in low sec at all?
Or also an everyday example is a inty and a BS roaming around killing ****, while simultaniously faking out/dodging response blobs and killing more. You can't do things like that in low sec.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 10/03/2006 16:55:27
Originally by: Zysco
And in my opinion low sec piracy takes much, much less skill then 0.0 piracy. I don't know where people are possibly coming up with it the other way around.
Dunno about harder, but lowsec ganks have to be fast and ruthlessly effective since .5 is only ever a couple of jumps away, with the posibility of getting trapped or stranded.
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Or also an everyday example is a inty and a BS roaming around killing ****, while simultaniously faking out/dodging response blobs and killing more. You can't do things like that in low sec.
err... becasue it's harder?
Originally by: Zysco
blah blah Are you guys seriously that big nerds? blah blah
Playing Eve and posting on an internet forum. Evidently we are.
no skills, just luck.
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:54:00 -
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Honor is internal. Expecting someone you don't know to live up to your personal standards is going to result in dissappointment every time.
There is no such thing as a fair fight. At least not if you intend to walk away. I think that perhaps you are looking for some sort of sport dueling (like a boxing match) if that is the case you need to start an eve fight club. Heck one probably already exists. I am certain that there are many people in game that share your idea of a 1v1. It is unrealistic to expect to find this kind of fight wandering about the universe.
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:02:00 -
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fighting some1 who has a better setup is not more difficult to play, its just more difficult to win.
getting a person infront, locked and scrambled is the only hard part in eve piracey. Its alot easier to do this in 0.0 because everyone is up for the same thing, in low sec no one wants to fight unless they way outnumber, sentrys are on their side and they fit lots os stabs, they are in deadspace missions whilts 0.0 guys are out in belts.
You may think its easier to pirate in empire but in my experience its not and ive had more than my fair share of both empire and 0.0 piracey.
On a side note, its easier to be a pirate in empire from a rp perspective and thats why i do it, people in 0.0 dont give a **** if they die because they fight knowing that they have a hi chance of losing their ship.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 10/03/2006 17:03:50
Originally by: Zysco
Can you do this in low sec at all?
I'll go so far as to say yes, but not to the same extreme. While I agree that the skill required for 0.0 survival is higher I don't think that indiciates a difference of the level of tactics used to take down a target. For example, two corporation members of NOCTS flew straight into an anti-pirate camp within a belt (don't ask, I'm assuming they were baiting?). One thorax, a brutix, a t2 vexor, and a celestis against our two ships. Pop, Pop, Pop, thorax warps out and calls in backup. Backup brutix arrives and that's another pop. They persue the thorax and end up at the station where the thorax docks and an enyo undocks. They gang invite the enyo, gangsling him to a planet, and proceed to beat the ever loving **** out of him. They safespotted when an apoc with an unidentified gun-range showed up on scanner, as they didn't want an apoc luring them into a zone with it's 170k tacys.
The same level of carnage and PvP engagements (such as when knights of the southerncross tried to engage us in placid..  ) can still exist in low-sec but require the same level of tactics that need to be executed differently. The majority of our pilots are generally -5.0 or lower and thus welcome PvP at any engagement cost. Then again, those types of engagements are rare and you are spot on with saying the majority are idiot pilots with horrible fittings. I still remember the shield tanking omen and shield tanking thorax we engaged and mopped up... and the thorax was using heavy beams.
And thanks for the support, I appreciate it.♥
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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Can you do this in low sec at all?
I'll go so far as to say yes, but not to the same extreme. While I agree that the skill required for 0.0 survival is higher I don't think that indiciates a difference of the level of tactics used to take down a target. For example, two corporation members of NOCTS flew straight into an anti-pirate camp within a belt (don't ask, I'm assuming they were baiting?). One thorax, a brutix, a t2 vexor, and a celestis against our two ships. Pop, Pop, Pop, thorax warps out and calls in backup. Backup brutix arrives and that's another pop. They persue the thorax and end up at the station where the thorax docks and an enyo undocks. They gang invite the enyo, gangsling him to a planet, and proceed to beat the ever loving **** out of him. They safespotted when an apoc with an unidentified gun-range showed up on scanner, as they didn't want an apoc luring them into a zone with it's 170k tacys.
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The same level of carnage and PvP engagements (such as when knights of the southerncross tried to engage us in placid.. ) can still exist in low-sec but require the same level of tactics that need to be executed differently. The majority of our pilots are generally -5.0 or lower and thus welcome PvP at any engagement cost. Then again, those types of engagements are rare and you are spot on with saying the majority are idiot pilots with horrible fittings. I still remember the shield tanking omen and shield tanking thorax we engaged and mopped up... and the thorax was using heavy beams.
Thats prolly the one thing I miss about pirating low sec (i did it most of my early eve career on drunk), the hilarious setups. My personal favorite was a tempest using 4 heavy beams and 4 heavy launchers with a shield tank and cargo extenders.
And thanks for the support, I appreciate it.
Originally by: Usul Faust
Dunno about harder, but lowsec ganks have to be fast and ruthlessly effective since .5 is only ever a couple of jumps away, with the possibility of getting trapped or stranded a very real one.
You have that possibility 100% in 0.0. And saying you have to be "fast and ruthlessly effective" is nothing different than 0.0.
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err... becasue it's harder?
So belt hunting then safespotting til your aggro wears off is harder than belt hunting and then being forced to run 20 jumps with a 20 ship gang chasing you, unable to safespot because they will simply probe you down? Theres no such thing as an aggro timer in the same sense in 0.0. You have a CONSTANT aggro timer where EVERYONE can attack you at ANY TIME. Its basically comparable to being a -10 sec outlaw with a 500 million bounty. Everyone is trying to kill you wherever you go.
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Playing Eve and posting on an internet forum. Evidently we are.
Posting on a forum doesn't make you a nerd. Discussing whether or not a percieved girl on a forum is actually a girl does.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
I still remember the shield tanking omen and shield tanking thorax we engaged and mopped up... and the thorax was using heavy beams.
And thanks for the support, I appreciate it.♥
Baby Jesus cried on that note. 
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:21:00 -
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Look heres simple reasoning:
How many "antipirates" have you even fought in low sec who were reasonably skilled? Not only are they rare, but the only ones I ever saw had fittings almost as bad as the people I was pirating.
Now, imagine not only every person you killing having a reasonable setup (making it impossible to, say, kill a BC in a frig, as I'm sure many have done in low sec pirating), but every "antipirate" having a decent setup, and being relatively decent at pvp.
You honestly cant say that low sec pirating, where you kill noobs and retards, and are faced with retaliation by noobs and retards, is more skillful than 0.0 pirating, where you kill decent players (though they are usually retards if they die), and are faced with retaliation by decent and skilled players.
NPCers in 0.0 die because they **** up and don't look at local. NPCers in low sec die because they don't even know they should be looking at local.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 10/03/2006 17:24:22
edit: i was replying to the post a bit further up.
i meant 'different, not harder.'
0.0 is very big, whilst pvp in lowsec is much more limited in where you can go. Sure, 20 system chases, fighting a rear guard action are ace, but there's nowt wrong with trying to escape a gang of ships searching for you in a system you can't leave becasue of your aggro.
and as for the last bit, why are you still going on about this? i clearly couldn't care less either way.
no skills, just luck.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Edited by: Usul Faust on 10/03/2006 17:24:22
edit: i was replying to the post a bit further up.
i meant 'different, not harder.'
0.0 is very big, whilst pvp in lowsec is much more limited in where you can go. Sure, 20 system chases, fighting a rear guard action are ace, but there's nowt wrong with trying to escape a gang of ships searching for you in a system you can't leave becasue of your aggro.
and as for the last bit, why are you still going on about this? i clearly couldn't care less either way.
Because I like to argue. Especially with clueless people.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:30:00 -
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my dad's stronger than your dad.
no skills, just luck.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Look heres simple reasoning:
How many "antipirates" have you even fought in low sec who were reasonably skilled? Not only are they rare, but the only ones I ever saw had fittings almost as bad as the people I was pirating.
The skilled anti-pirates would have to come from 0.0 
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:26:00 -
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I am new to piracy and PvP in general, so I am sure I will be getting some stuff wrong. But anyways...
Honour has historically resulted in otherwise intellegent people behaving stupidly (think of the duels of the middle ages up until a couple hundred years ago, resulting in someone dying for nothing). Cowardice is the term people "of honour" developed to call the people that weren't suicidal.
Pirating in low sec is not too difficult, if you find people that cant figure out how to use a scanner or that local exists and you locate and gank em, simple as that. There are a couple "good" anti-pirate squads in the areas I pirate in, but mostly they just show up with 5-20BS and you warp out of the system once the aggro timer is gone. I look forward to fighting in 0.0 when the people that i am going to face are hell bent on my death, and can make good on their wish too.
Who gives a **** whats in someones pants? If they play good they have my respect.
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Stop taking the thread offtopic.
Just tryin' to help you out.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
my dad's stronger than your dad.
Lies my dad is the bionic man
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Altrex Stoppel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
B: Jump through and engage putting more scramble strength on you and ensuring the kill
C: Jump through and slaughter his corp-m8 cos he's drunk ?
its a tough choice between B & C im thinking.
Alliaanna
Originally by: Psycarne
Quite right, Ginger is massively under powered, and should be given a tech II rubber duck.
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Gen Kumon
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Posted - 2006.03.10 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
my dad's stronger than your dad.
Oh yeah?! Well, uh...my dad's Tank CEO!
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Horatio Nately
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Posted - 2006.03.10 22:41:00 -
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If it's a fair fight, something went wrong IMO...
Overwelming firepower 4tw
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.10 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Edited by: Zysco on 10/03/2006 16:04:53
Originally by: Deja Thoris
For point 2 you persist in saying "he has no honour". I read that as "the OP was stupid".
Seriously. A domi would have raped you. No questions. 100% of the time. His friend wanted in on the killmail so he joined in. Thats the extent of it.
You harping on about honour makes me think you are out of touch with reality. People don't play this game to meet with your approval or expectations. Stop thinking they will.
Seriously. If someone said to me "Nah just wait on the other side of the gate while I kill this guy" I woulda been like "**** that I wanna shoot him too."
So its more "honorable" to kill you with a single BS than it is to kill you with 2 BS? I mean you are gonna die horribly either way, I don't see the difference. Maybe if I was also in a BC and called for backup against a same sized ship then your argument would actually make sense.
Um, you just said what I said , we're agreeing here
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Look heres simple reasoning:
How many "antipirates" have you even fought in low sec who were reasonably skilled? Not only are they rare, but the only ones I ever saw had fittings almost as bad as the people I was pirating.
Now, imagine not only every person you killing having a reasonable setup (making it impossible to, say, kill a BC in a frig, as I'm sure many have done in low sec pirating), but every "antipirate" having a decent setup, and being relatively decent at pvp.
You honestly cant say that low sec pirating, where you kill noobs and retards, and are faced with retaliation by noobs and retards, is more skillful than 0.0 pirating, where you kill decent players (though they are usually retards if they die), and are faced with retaliation by decent and skilled players.
NPCers in 0.0 die because they **** up and don't look at local. NPCers in low sec die because they don't even know they should be looking at local.
not many in low sec actualy hunt i belts, they are doing deadspace complexes and agent missions which are more difficult to find.
Your chances of winning a fight against an empire antipirate are greater than that of you against a 0.0 guy, but... fighting the 0.0 guy is easier, no flagging, no sentrys.
In empre you need to locate your prey and beat unyielding game mechancs, in 0.0 neither of these are an issue, prey usually comes to you eventually or if not a covert ops alt will sniff em out damm quick at a belt.
Also when you look at it, fighting skilled pvpers is actually easier than fighting the semi skilled in empire, everyone in 0.0 belongs to a faction of sorts so you know who is gonna try to kill you and who isnt. In empire there may be 3 people outside your station, but are the other 10 in local gonna help, you have to work out all these things then decide wether to engage or not and you need to be quick before they decide to bugger off.
Players in 0.0 wont camp a station for days and days on end, those guys in empire will
The more confident and skilled your opponent is, the easier it is to fight them.
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Posted - 2006.03.10 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Usul Faust
my dad's stronger than your dad.
Lies my dad is the bionic man
Well my dad's the Juggernaught bihatch!
http://www.wimp.com/juggernaut/
Sorry Drunky, couldn't resist ;)
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 23:25:00 -
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drunk makes eve forums so much better, but im plaing taximan tonite
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Unbeleever
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Posted - 2006.03.10 23:31:00 -
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I got to say that I was -10 for quite awhile in low sec empire, and that is just like 0.0, and I would be tanking gates and target, all the while trying not to get scramed be the passing retard or target back up.
So to the poster that said 0.0 folks have and take more skill to live there i have to disagree in my case anyway.Try and be -10 in low sec empire and activly hunt on gates and belts not sniping by the way, up close and personnal tanking gates and such
and not just hide
And traveling is just like 0.0 being -10 can get shot at by anyone anytime, and my friend there are alot of good pvp'ers in empire i assure you.
So again honor in killing the op with 2 bs's? there is none just degres of good and bad.
1v1 ****ups well ya got to take precautions not to get ganked on a 1v1 nuff said
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.11 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 11/03/2006 00:32:35
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Zysco
Edited by: Zysco on 10/03/2006 16:04:53
Originally by: Deja Thoris
For point 2 you persist in saying "he has no honour". I read that as "the OP was stupid".
Seriously. A domi would have raped you. No questions. 100% of the time. His friend wanted in on the killmail so he joined in. Thats the extent of it.
You harping on about honour makes me think you are out of touch with reality. People don't play this game to meet with your approval or expectations. Stop thinking they will.
Seriously. If someone said to me "Nah just wait on the other side of the gate while I kill this guy" I woulda been like "**** that I wanna shoot him too."
So its more "honorable" to kill you with a single BS than it is to kill you with 2 BS? I mean you are gonna die horribly either way, I don't see the difference. Maybe if I was also in a BC and called for backup against a same sized ship then your argument would actually make sense.
Um, you just said what I said , we're agreeing here
I know, I was agreeing, the Seriously was in agreement, not trying to argue with you lol
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Druuna Drake
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Posted - 2006.03.11 01:10:00 -
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I was caught by a gatecamping raven pilot and jammed him and tried to run. I am in a Brutix. And then his friend in a scorpion jumps in and "helps" finish me off.
I accept the game is pvp and I will be ganked.
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Michayel Lyon
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Posted - 2006.03.11 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Im on a gate in syndicate [...]
I'm happy to see that those bookmarks I sold you comes to good use.
Originally by: Rells
[...] and a domi engages me so *shrug* time to fight. I engage him back knowign I will probably loose but it will be fun and Im scrambled so Im not going to go for the forkign gate. So he gets a friend in another BS to jump in.
Okay, maybe not.
Oh, and
1) what a whimp. Put forth his name, and let the flaming begin.
2) sounds like normal ganking method. I've used it against others (*waves to Petition Inc. amongst others*), and others have used it to kill me (you owe me a rax, Supremacy). If your target is staying at a gate for no apparent reason, assume he has a friend (or 10, in the case of Supremacy) in a BS (or HAC, in the case of Supremacy).
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Tijin
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Posted - 2006.03.11 03:59:00 -
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If I have an agreement, then I will honour it. I won't bring in friends to do work that I agreed I would try to do myself. That said, I have no problems outnumbering you, using all manner of tactics(Except logging stuff. That's not right, IMO, but...) to get you killed. But if I have an agreement with you, that's in, bottom line, I'll honor it.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2006.03.11 10:07:00 -
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I guess this is where the difference between Pee vee Pee and "Space Combat" comes in.
Pee vee Pee is when a Marine gets up from a foxhole and walks over to the other guy. they talk, drop their guns and duke it out.
Combat is when everyone shoots the unlucky bastards head off who had to stick it out.
I can honestly say I have no intent to Pee vee Pee. I have inferior skillpoints and often inferior experience. Not to mention that I lose isk when I lose ships. So I have no problem with running from something I can't kill quickly and efficiently.
Simply put: It's playstyle. Some people play Space Combat. Some people play Pee vee Pee.
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Posted - 2006.03.11 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
1: lame, agreed
2: Allways presume the other guy has friends
Alliaanna
THat he has friends is irrlevant. He should have been able to handle a ferrox in a dommi. I would have fought the guy one on one and told my corpmate to stay out of it.
There are a lot of cowards in pirate clothes about.
Does this mean your corpmates were nearby also, if not, then unlucky, if so, then these thigns are best done in a system with just you and your target.
Oh and 1 incident with 1 person/corp is not cause to brand a whole band of people as chickens.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2006.03.11 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Look heres simple reasoning:
How many "antipirates" have you even fought in low sec who were reasonably skilled? Not only are they rare, but the only ones I ever saw had fittings almost as bad as the people I was pirating.
Now, imagine not only every person you killing having a reasonable setup (making it impossible to, say, kill a BC in a frig, as I'm sure many have done in low sec pirating), but every "antipirate" having a decent setup, and being relatively decent at pvp.
You honestly cant say that low sec pirating, where you kill noobs and retards, and are faced with retaliation by noobs and retards, is more skillful than 0.0 pirating, where you kill decent players (though they are usually retards if they die), and are faced with retaliation by decent and skilled players.
NPCers in 0.0 die because they **** up and don't look at local. NPCers in low sec die because they don't even know they should be looking at local.
IMO the above is spot on. I'm still new but I can kill targets in low sec easy as pie. And the "anti" pirates don't know a thing about PVP, or one of them would have shot me down by now.
I get shot down because I challenge myself and try to bite off a little more than I can chew. Not because someone outsmarted me and caught me with my pants down.
In 0.0, it's a whole different ballgame. Very high SP players, very well fitted ships, and people with the smarts to use em.
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Zolofine
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Posted - 2006.03.11 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
I guess my sense of honor is old fashioned.
There is nothing wrong with your sense of honor and you should never trade it in for anything else.
However, that does not excuse being stupid (no offense meant here). Not everyone has the same sense of honor and not everyone will honor an agreed uppon 1v1. Surely you understand this.
Having honor is not defined by what others do, but by what YOU do. If you agree on 1v1 you go there and go by yourself BUT you shouldn't be stupid, they might have different plans. Check local for possible friends of them and use your scanner to see if they are anywhere near where the other guy is. You don't have to be stupid, to have honor ;-).
As for the other fight you described. Fair play here, tbh you had no chance against the dominix. If you fight because you feel like it that's just fine, but don't complain if you go into a fight you can't possibly win and the victor brings in some friends to finish the job quicker. Again here stupidity is not excused by honor. If you fought because you just felt like it, then fine, your call, nothign wrong with that, nothing wrong with what the other guy did either. If you fought because you actually thought you had a chance, it's stupidity.
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Posted - 2006.03.11 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 11/03/2006 11:29:33
well upon review I have to concede the second incident was fine. I was in a ohorrible mood after the duel garbage and I overreacted a bit.
That being siad .. there is still alot of chickens in eve. From the Mining corp that wont fight back to the idiots sitting at safe spot smack talking to the fleets that ont engage another fleet of the same or even slightly less strength "Oh we have 5 bs and support and they have 6 and little support? Warp to safe spot now."
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.11 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
the idiots sitting at safe spot smack talking to the fleets that ont engage another fleet of the same or even slightly less strength "Oh we have 5 bs and support and they have 6 and little support? Warp to safe spot now."
That one gets really damm annoying. Mining corps that dont fight back, well their loss, but some people just aint interested in pvp...but your right, most are afraid.
On the point of duels, there is always a reason why someone offers or accepts a duel and thats because they think they have the upperhand, in the long run it aint worth the hassle.
If you want duels and fun pvp head out to places like pure blind or syndicate where many solo inty pvpers running around looking for a nice fight. There are for the most part pretty honerable nice guys. Fate. Exotic Dancers, Euphoria released and rest of cruel intentions, mc, bob, G, IRON and norad all have good inty pvpers to test your skill on running about those regions
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 11/03/2006 16:32:01
Originally by: Rells
That being siad .. there is still alot of chickens in eve. From the Mining corp that wont fight back to the idiots sitting at safe spot smack talking to the fleets that ont engage another fleet of the same or even slightly less strength "Oh we have 5 bs and support and they have 6 and little support? Warp to safe spot now."
/me pats Rells.
Take it easy, mate. To each his/her own, I guess. People just play at different levels of difficulty, have different amount of time per week to replace losses, etc. A guy with a billion can go through BSs like french fries, a guy with 100 mill will usually be more careful, etc.
Just go shoot somebody else and let the smatcktards smacktalk. I mean, somebody gotta take the role of an idiot in every MMO, is like a rule of nature. Just play the game your way and everybody happy; plenty of people willing to fight out there.
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Kylana Darkfate
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Posted - 2006.03.11 17:29:00 -
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About the skills in fighting in upper and lower sec. Compared to other MMORPG games, this game requires little skill in fighting. Click a few things, watch, click, watch. You can play this game with one freaking hand. That's why there is so many people who play this game drunk, 'cause you can still kick butt while you're almost passing out.
Even I'm guilty playing drunk after a night at the club.
So cheers! Kanpai!
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Kelron Queldine
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Posted - 2006.03.11 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kelron Queldine on 11/03/2006 17:50:00
Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
About the skills in fighting in upper and lower sec. Compared to other MMORPG games, this game requires little skill in fighting. Click a few things, watch, click, watch. You can play this game with one freaking hand. That's why there is so many people who play this game drunk, 'cause you can still kick butt while you're almost passing out.
Even I'm guilty playing drunk after a night at the club.
So cheers! Kanpai!
<---- Just got back from a night at Brewvies! ^_~
I have to disagree with this. While having the right setup against the right ship can almost guarantee a win, your fighting tactics can make a big difference. You need to be able to activate the right modules at the right time, keep at the right range to your opponent, and keep your transversal high (or low, depneding on what you're flying). You also need to be able to react if your opponent does something unexpected, or if another ship warps in.
I've noticed a lot of people tend to overlook how useful manual maneuvering can be, especially against multiple opponents.
I don't know how you can say combat in EVE requires less skill than some other MMOs where it can simply be a case of running up to your opponent and clicking 'attack'.
Edit: this is all a bit off topic anyway.
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Posted - 2006.03.11 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
That being siad .. there is still alot of chickens in eve. From the Mining corp that wont fight back to the idiots sitting at safe spot smack talking to the fleets that ont engage another fleet of the same or even slightly less strength "Oh we have 5 bs and support and they have 6 and little support? Warp to safe spot now."
This I can agree with. Eve has more pussies than any other game. TBH just as bad as safespotting with similar numbers is smacking a ridiculously outnumbered opponent. I've hunted solo in my domi, killed an NPCing bs or 2, then been blobbed by 6-7 BS + support so I'll dock, and then procede to be smacked in local for "running like a *****" etc.
Cause, you know, I obviously should suicide into their 7 BS.
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