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Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 09:10:00 - [1] Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows. For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!! Now for all the people who think PvP should not be permitted in places throughout Eve, let me guess what some of you pilot??? You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 09:31:00 - [2] Now this is the problem with Eve, well not eve so much as the power player, they are so keen of getting the fattest wallet. They are happy to fit 7 or 8 miner to a great fighting ship and go and sit infront of a roid and mine for hours. Then in the next breath they then moan because there is no content in Eve. Maybe a solution would be to remove the ability to fit miners to battleships, keep them as fighting ship. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 09:46:00 - [3] Quote: Edited by: Jarjar on 08/09/2003 09:40:37 Changing the ways people already play is nothing but stupid. There are players (myself not included) who actually paid 60-120M for their battleships just so they can mine faster. Now that's SOME money wasting if they get "nerfed" so bad you can't even use them anymore. Well if it was nerfed the amount they would have already made from using them for mining would make up for the lose. all they need to do is buy a Thorax stick 5(only a couple less than a BS) and go back out and mine. Then they could kit the BS out with a few guns....yes you heard me guns, on a battleship! And have the ability to defend themselves if they need to. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 10:21:00 - [4] Quote: what's wrong with mining in a bship? what would u rather have a thorax with 5 miner II's and 10 harvesters or an apoc with 8 miner II's and 10 harvesters? k thanx I would rather have my Moa, that I can load out with either combat mod, mining mods or a combination of both. But then I am not a power player and try to live to the escence of the game. I enjoy the game for what it is and don't need to wow my friends with my huge powerful Battleship mining a Scordite roid!! You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 10:39:00 - [5] Quote: Turret slots. Convenience. I think this thread has more to do with BS envy than the way the game is played. People mine. Wow. Film at 11. Ships don't magically appear out of nowhere. Even the better pirate corps have alts that are more than happy to sit and stripmine a belt in 1.0 space. Most of the people who do large scale mining ops don't care about the cash, they want the minerals. Where does envy come into this at all? I am more than happy to fly my lowly Moa about space mining when I need to and looking for combat, I have no need for a battleship, life is a lot more fun as I am to ruin it by becoming all powerfull. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 11:04:00 - [6] Quote: Edited by: Luc Boye on 08/09/2003 10:42:19 Well lets say someone mined enough to buy a battleship. Then he feels like mining, so what is he supposed to do, select cruiser instead and mine in it so that he wont be flamed on forums? The only reason I can think of to mine in a cruiser is that it doesnt hurt as much if you loose ship to pirates but then again nobody undocks with intention of loosing the ship. Which is why I think Battleships should have their miner use taken away or change their class name from Battleship to Giant Utility ships. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 11:17:00 - [7] Quote: create mining laser hardpoints then make dedicated mining ships e.g 5 or 6 mining laser hardpoints, big cargo hold, onboard refinery - frigates should mine/fight - cruisers should fight - battleships should fight - industrials should haul - mining rigs should mine i think that would rock At last someone who understands where I am coming from. The idea is spot on, still gives versitility yet mean ships are more role orientated. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 11:26:00 - [8] Quote: Quote: For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Then the only use for a Cruiser should be... Cruising the Galaxy... stretching in those nifty tan-beds that use to be on every sea cruise ships while drinking some of those nifty tropical beverages... ...oh but wait... we can't cruise the universe in such a way because pirates will appear an kill us on our "enjoying-the-sun-while-being-lazy" mood. Frigates would only do... hurmm... what the heck can a frigate do that fits its name?? ...and there would be NO MINING because there is no ship with Miner on its name! Happy now?? Is so... get a BShip and go mine. If not... don't get a BShip and go mine. I fail to see why i shouldn't drive a Ferrari (if i had one) in the same roads that everyone uses just because it can go faster than a caravan. If you only have a Tractor that goes 23kph max... why should i be prevented from driving my (imaginary) Ferrari at the road's maximmum speed allowed by law?? As long as i respect the law, i can can do what i please with the stuff i own. Move along now. Your analogy is crp, and if you had any sort of clue about names of ships you would find a Cruiser is a Navy fighting ship, what you are talking about is a cruise liner!!!!! Move along! You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/*
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 11:43:00 - [9] Quote: claps great post. great comparison. hehe torath has battleship envy. heh, u mad theres is bigger then urs? Yeah, damn, if only I had spent my couple of months watching asteroid after asteroid then I could have what he has!! Such a brilliant deduction!!!! You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 11:47:00 - [10] Quote: I hate to be a bug...but by your attitude Torath... Cruising: to cruise, to be a cruiser . Nope, didn't come from a dictionary. But it's the same point . Battleship: Any one of a class of warships of the largest size, carrying the greatest number of weapons and clad with the heaviest armor. Also called battlewagon. Don't like to quote from a dictionary but when the natives get hostile! You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/

Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 12:21:00 - [11] On the back of most of these posts I think it maybe time to set up the Battleship freedom fighter. To save all the slave Battleships from their drab lives as miners. To free their hull and powercells by destroying their physical form so they may join their ancestors in the great junkyard in the sky. So to all of you heathens who inssist on using them as work horses instead of the fighting vessles they were born to be, be affraid be very affraid!!! P.S. To all who wish to join in this war, look me up my ibis will need a hand! You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 13:08:00 - [12] I am going home! You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 14:50:00 - [13] Quote: Ohh, and I forgot one thing. ASK A THORAX USER HOW LONG IT TAKES TO FILL HIS CARGO. Yea baby, that's right. HE CAN'T COMPLETE A CYCLE BEFORE HIS CARGO IS FULL!!! With mining lvl 5, astreology lvl 4, 5 Miner 2's and 9 harvester drones: The Thorax mines 720 m^3 per minute. The Thorax has a base cargo space of 265 m^3. I wonder why people use battleships to mine with DOH! Thanks mate, my god if only I used my brain every now and again I could have answered this question myself. So the basis for every answer is it gives you more ore which means more stuff which means more isk which means more stuff. Wow, I bet you have a really interesting time. Ever thought of trying to add to the content of Eve rather than your virtual pocket? You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 14:58:00 - [14] Quote: what if what he wants to do in eve is get rich, why should he not be allowed to do so? No that is not a problem getting rich but if within a month you have a Billion isk then what you try for 2, 3 or more? I think what I should really be asking is for CCP to introduce more specific class ships as in a previous post. I just personaly would not use a BS for mining, I find it hard using my Cruiser to do it as it is meant to be a war ship. But I also would never fly another race's ship as I am a Caldari and believe the ships they have are the best.(don't quote figure its only on a personal level) I accept the increased income but just sadens me that there is no alternative to using a BS. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.08 15:33:00 - [15] Quote: when you are flying 100 mil of your own cash you will know why some hesitate. Personally I just check the map and keep my 3 mwds loaded, webify this :) C'est la vie, if I lose it I lose it, but as long as I am at the helm, I know it will never be taken. So no need for me to worry. And if I have jinx'd myself now and do. I always have my cruiser in the hanger. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.09 13:22:00 - [16] I love you Ch'ryl. I have tried to put my point across but, the relentless atacks have forced me from my own thread. My back is only so broad as to bare the burden of the abuse that is posted. But screw it. I don't have a BS but have no envy. I don't have Millions but don't care. I don't care how you play the GAME was just asking a question. I don't even care if you come and kick my ass in game, just be prepared to get it back. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.10 09:57:00 - [17] Quote: Are the people who whine about battleships being used for mining the ones who can't afford a battleship? True I can't afford one, but the reason I can't is because I have too much fun cruising the systems interacting with people and exploring other places. I don't have time to sit for a week mining asteroids trying to keep myself from nodding off through boredom. It is all through choice that I don't have one, and even if I did I would still whine about them being used for mining. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.10 10:09:00 - [18] Quote: Quote: At last someone who understands where I am coming from. The idea is spot on, still gives versitility yet mean ships are more role orientated. How about you stfu and let the players decide what role they want their ship to have? Which part of voicing an opinion did you not understand??? You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.10 12:31:00 - [19] Daehkthar Raehm You bug me, the next time you hear from my sorry ass is when my corp declare war on yours and wipe you from the high sec belts for good! You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.10 13:40:00 - [20] Quote: Go mine yourself and get a bship too instead of ***ing and whining, every starting from scratch player now with the new minning skills can get a bship in less than 25 days. You must be one lazy bum. Oh yeah, like I want to spend 25 days mining, my god you know how to have fun!!! And yes I am a bum, a big fat hair ass!!! You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/**

Torath	Posted - 2003.09.10 14:52:00 - [21] Quote: Edited by: Intruders on 10/09/2003 13:57:52 Edited by: Intruders on 10/09/2003 13:56:16 If you really want to go anywhere in EVE you need some day to train these skills Electronics to 5 Engineering to 5 Spaceship Command to 5 Gunnery to 5 Each one takes 9 training days, IF you have everythink in all six learning skills to lvl3, all the above mentioned basic 4 skills x5 makes us 36 whole days, just for the training final lvl5 of all of them, so there have to be sometime that you will finally understand that everythink that worths something HAS TO TAKE SOME TIME in order to be completed in EVE Online. Or just reconsider and start thinking you might be playing the wrong game. I rest my case. But I am bum and don't have the time to be Mining forever!!! Much rather sit on my ass in my***pit and give Pirates and fools a pasting. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/**
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.11 09:10:00 - [22] Quote: ROFLMAO. I just did an EVE search on you, Torath, It seems you are part of an NPC beginner corp. Have fun trying to "declare war" on me. Why declare war, why not just come and kick your ass? I am all talk anyway so I will just mine in my ibis. And could you please refrain from using any personal insults, you don't know my back ground and just because I have a few disabilities doesn't mean you have the right to attack me. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.11 10:49:00 - [23] Quote: The problem is not what people do with their Battleships... the problems is that people do EVERYTHING in Battleships. Once you 're in a Battleship there is no reason to fall back to a cruiser or even a frigate. Battleship Vs Battleship only fights which is the most frequent case atm are boring imho. And bringing new ships ain't a solution either.... just perpetuating the problem. I agree about the once you get a BS thats all you use. This does make the game a little single minded, it push's everyone in that direction due to the versitility of them. If they were only able to be used as Battleships then there would be more need to use other ships. Adding extra specific ship types with more defined uses would make for a more job structured enviroment and not just get a BS it does it all anyway. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
Torath	Posted - 2003.09.11 12:12:00 - [24] Quote: Sorry, it's the way i am. Very sarcastic. But i continue to forget one major thing. Sarcasm does not work online. So excuse me. And i normally don't try to belittle people, it's just that I'm tired of everyone **in and moaning about bship miners ect. Actually, i usually play the nice helpful guy ingame (Believe it or not). Oh, and the whole "godly" thing. That was just another unmarked sarcastic comment. As most people (hopefully) posess common sense. I guess none of this really matters anymore, since school started, I haven't been able to strip mine all the ore away from the poor newbs lately. Hardly get to play . Guess it's gettin to me. No worries mate I was only messing with the disability, well unless you count my drinking problem!! Respect on your convictions and hope we meet in game sometime, either under the banner of aggression or friendship. You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/**

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