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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:10:00 -
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Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows.
For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!!
Now for all the people who think PvP should not be permitted in places throughout Eve, let me guess what some of you pilot???
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Garreck
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 08/09/2003 09:17:17
Battleships are designed as war machines, I will not argue that. I think it would be sad to have one and never fire a shot with it.
However, the ability to mount up to 7 or 8 mining lasers and carry a full compliment of mining drones is impossible for a miner to ignore. That's why you'll see an Apocalypse pulling in rock in a 'roid field.
Garreck
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:17:00 -
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Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows.
For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!!
Now for all the people who think PvP should not be permitted in places throughout Eve, let me guess what some of you pilot???
Thorax is more cost effective, especially if you're mining in non-empire space. Easier to lose to an 'Oops' or an attack than 95m worth of ship because you had mining lasers equipped.
For mining in Empire space where there are no threats, however, it becomes more efficient to mine with a battleship as they have the most turrets + drone space. Personally, I'd rather leave the high sec mining to people I can pay, unless absolutely necessary (short low end ores for a manufacturing run).
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lady Jaxx
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:18:00 -
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There's been threads about this before, and if you thought about it for a few hours you could probably work out the answer to your own question. (Unless you're just trolling in which case carry on  I love trolls)
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:31:00 -
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Now this is the problem with Eve, well not eve so much as the power player, they are so keen of getting the fattest wallet. They are happy to fit 7 or 8 miner to a great fighting ship and go and sit infront of a roid and mine for hours.
Then in the next breath they then moan because there is no content in Eve.
Maybe a solution would be to remove the ability to fit miners to battleships, keep them as fighting ship.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/09/2003 09:40:37
Changing the ways people already play is nothing but stupid. There are players (myself not included) who actually paid 60-120M for their battleships just so they can mine faster. Now that's SOME money wasting if they get "nerfed" so bad you can't even use them anymore.
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Ashton Black
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:41:00 -
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Works for me!
Hmmm.. One of the reasons my corp had to relocate recently is a team of 5 B/S miners were going through the system EVERY day and wiping out ALL the roids... even the baby roids. The system was ishisomo.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/09/2003 09:40:37
Changing the ways people already play is nothing but stupid. There are players (myself not included) who actually paid 60-120M for their battleships just so they can mine faster. Now that's SOME money wasting if they get "nerfed" so bad you can't even use them anymore.
Well if it was nerfed the amount they would have already made from using them for mining would make up for the lose. all they need to do is buy a Thorax stick 5(only a couple less than a BS) and go back out and mine. Then they could kit the BS out with a few guns....yes you heard me guns, on a battleship! And have the ability to defend themselves if they need to.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:09:00 -
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what's wrong with mining in a bship? what would u rather have a thorax with 5 miner II's and 10 harvesters or an apoc with 8 miner II's and 10 harvesters?
k thanx
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:21:00 -
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what's wrong with mining in a bship? what would u rather have a thorax with 5 miner II's and 10 harvesters or an apoc with 8 miner II's and 10 harvesters?
k thanx
I would rather have my Moa, that I can load out with either combat mod, mining mods or a combination of both. But then I am not a power player and try to live to the escence of the game. I enjoy the game for what it is and don't need to wow my friends with my huge powerful Battleship mining a Scordite roid!!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:27:00 -
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Turret slots. Convenience.
I think this thread has more to do with BS envy than the way the game is played.
People mine. Wow. Film at 11. Ships don't magically appear out of nowhere. Even the better pirate corps have alts that are more than happy to sit and stripmine a belt in 1.0 space.
Most of the people who do large scale mining ops don't care about the cash, they want the minerals.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/09/2003 10:38:14
5*90 + 9*30 = 720m3 (thorax)
8*90 + 9*30 = 990m3 (Apoc)
Difference: 37.5% m3 / minute
Oh, what a small difference.
What's the point to mine with a MOA? Two lasers, two rails for protection vs NPCs?
I fully understand that large-scale miners want both battleships (in their current state) + Miner II's. It's like choosing between a cruiser and battleship in PvP combat, the cruiser simply isn't as good.
I do agree that we need miner ships of different sizes, though.
Edit: By the way, it's not like you cannot fit an apoc for combat? I don't see your point.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:39:00 -
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Turret slots. Convenience.
I think this thread has more to do with BS envy than the way the game is played.
People mine. Wow. Film at 11. Ships don't magically appear out of nowhere. Even the better pirate corps have alts that are more than happy to sit and stripmine a belt in 1.0 space.
Most of the people who do large scale mining ops don't care about the cash, they want the minerals.
Where does envy come into this at all? I am more than happy to fly my lowly Moa about space mining when I need to and looking for combat, I have no need for a battleship, life is a lot more fun as I am to ruin it by becoming all powerfull.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 08/09/2003 10:42:19
Well lets say someone mined enough to buy a battleship. Then he feels like mining, so what is he supposed to do, select cruiser instead and mine in it so that he wont be flamed on forums?
The only reason I can think of to mine in a cruiser is that it doesnt hurt as much if you loose ship to pirates  but then again nobody undocks with intention of loosing the ship.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:43:00 -
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btw this topic is a troll, same as that topic about ppl playing female characters.
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:59:00 -
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8 lev2 mining laser with 9 harbester drone is alot better than 5 in a thorax :)
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:01:00 -
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Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows.
Because they are the ships that (usually) can equip the most mining lasers, thus mine the fastest. Simple as that..
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For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!!
I've mentioned this before and I do agree.. but CCP isn't willing to do much about it. I would love to see specialized mining ships, or industrials, doing the mining.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:04:00 -
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oh yeah, dont forget cargo space!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 08/09/2003 10:42:19
Well lets say someone mined enough to buy a battleship. Then he feels like mining, so what is he supposed to do, select cruiser instead and mine in it so that he wont be flamed on forums?
The only reason I can think of to mine in a cruiser is that it doesnt hurt as much if you loose ship to pirates but then again nobody undocks with intention of loosing the ship.
Which is why I think Battleships should have their miner use taken away or change their class name from Battleship to Giant Utility ships.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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s0cks
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:07:00 -
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create mining laser hardpoints then make dedicated mining ships
e.g 5 or 6 mining laser hardpoints, big cargo hold, onboard refinery
- frigates should mine/fight
- cruisers should fight
- battleships should fight
- industrials should haul
- mining rigs should mine
i think that would rock
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Carbon
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:13:00 -
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ROFL.. mining in a Moa! You ***** me up.
Seriously, though.. with your (Torath's) mindset, pirates should stick to small, fast ships, traders should never own anything better than a cheap "cargo cruiser" or simply stick with industrials, and manufacturers should never leave the station.
Come on! Why do you have to bash the serious miners out there? I remember getting someone ****ed off 'cause I was a miner in a cruiser.. so?! You think I should stick to an Imicus? Same concept with the cruiser vs. battleship for mining.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:17:00 -
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create mining laser hardpoints then make dedicated mining ships
e.g 5 or 6 mining laser hardpoints, big cargo hold, onboard refinery
- frigates should mine/fight
- cruisers should fight
- battleships should fight
- industrials should haul
- mining rigs should mine
i think that would rock
At last someone who understands where I am coming from. The idea is spot on, still gives versitility yet mean ships are more role orientated.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Chucky
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:18:00 -
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This game seriously lacks a resource gathering ship and resource controllers/refiners. Something like an industrial with 8-10 mining lasers and on board refinery. As I may have stated (only about a 100 times), resource collection is way to slow. The way it stands, corps have to mine all week just to have enough ships to fight only major battle on the weekends. Mining is the most boring thing there is, it needs to be speeded up keep this interesting. 
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Probe
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:19:00 -
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For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are.
Then the only use for a Cruiser should be... Cruising the Galaxy... stretching in those nifty tan-beds that use to be on every sea cruise ships while drinking some of those nifty tropical beverages...
...oh but wait... we can't cruise the universe in such a way because pirates will appear an kill us on our "enjoying-the-sun-while-being-lazy" mood.
Frigates would only do... hurmm... what the heck can a frigate do that fits its name??
...and there would be NO MINING because there is no ship with Miner on its name!
Happy now?? Is so... get a BShip and go mine. If not... don't get a BShip and go mine.
I fail to see why i shouldn't drive a Ferrari (if i had one) in the same roads that everyone uses just because it can go faster than a caravan.
If you only have a Tractor that goes 23kph max... why should i be prevented from driving my (imaginary) Ferrari at the road's maximmum speed allowed by law?? As long as i respect the law, i can can do what i please with the stuff i own.
Move along now.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:26:00 -
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For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are.
Then the only use for a Cruiser should be... Cruising the Galaxy... stretching in those nifty tan-beds that use to be on every sea cruise ships while drinking some of those nifty tropical beverages...
...oh but wait... we can't cruise the universe in such a way because pirates will appear an kill us on our "enjoying-the-sun-while-being-lazy" mood.
Frigates would only do... hurmm... what the heck can a frigate do that fits its name??
...and there would be NO MINING because there is no ship with Miner on its name!
Happy now?? Is so... get a BShip and go mine. If not... don't get a BShip and go mine.
I fail to see why i shouldn't drive a Ferrari (if i had one) in the same roads that everyone uses just because it can go faster than a caravan.
If you only have a Tractor that goes 23kph max... why should i be prevented from driving my (imaginary) Ferrari at the road's maximmum speed allowed by law?? As long as i respect the law, i can can do what i please with the stuff i own.
Move along now.
Your analogy is cr*p, and if you had any sort of clue about names of ships you would find a Cruiser is a Navy fighting ship, what you are talking about is a cruise liner!!!!!
Move along!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Nova Star
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:29:00 -
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I rather use my battleship to gain more money for my corporation than take it to the 0.0 zones and blow it up to some angry PC pirate loosing 60-100million of *HARD* worked money.
There is no way small corporations like us can support loosing our Battleships in unfair fights. So we use them for the second best thing: mining more cash.
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Nupraptor
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:35:00 -
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For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are.
Then the only use for a Cruiser should be... Cruising the Galaxy... stretching in those nifty tan-beds that use to be on every sea cruise ships while drinking some of those nifty tropical beverages...
...oh but wait... we can't cruise the universe in such a way because pirates will appear an kill us on our "enjoying-the-sun-while-being-lazy" mood.
Frigates would only do... hurmm... what the heck can a frigate do that fits its name??
...and there would be NO MINING because there is no ship with Miner on its name!
Happy now?? Is so... get a BShip and go mine. If not... don't get a BShip and go mine.
I fail to see why i shouldn't drive a Ferrari (if i had one) in the same roads that everyone uses just because it can go faster than a caravan.
If you only have a Tractor that goes 23kph max... why should i be prevented from driving my (imaginary) Ferrari at the road's maximmum speed allowed by law?? As long as i respect the law, i can can do what i please with the stuff i own.
Move along now.
*claps* great post. great comparison. hehe torath has battleship envy. heh, u mad theres is bigger then urs?
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Eliminatorr
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:42:00 -
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I hate to be a bug...but by your attitude Torath...
Cruising: to cruise, to be a cruiser  .
Nope, didn't come from a dictionary. But it's the same point .
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:43:00 -
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*claps* great post. great comparison. hehe torath has battleship envy. heh, u mad theres is bigger then urs?
Yeah, damn, if only I had spent my couple of months watching asteroid after asteroid then I could have what he has!! Such a brilliant deduction!!!!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Noobious
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Noobious on 08/09/2003 11:46:50
w00t what a good idea dont use bs's for anything other than fighting....NOT, You see big corps that mass produce ships need to get the besting mining equipment poss, I do see where your coming from that you are annoyed people in battleships mine, but is that really your problem? If you ever get a bs no one will make you mine in it.  Being able to do differant things in diff ships is part of the game I guess its something we'll (you) all have to deal with unlucky.
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