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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:10:00 -
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Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows.
For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!!
Now for all the people who think PvP should not be permitted in places throughout Eve, let me guess what some of you pilot???
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Garreck
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 08/09/2003 09:17:17
Battleships are designed as war machines, I will not argue that. I think it would be sad to have one and never fire a shot with it.
However, the ability to mount up to 7 or 8 mining lasers and carry a full compliment of mining drones is impossible for a miner to ignore. That's why you'll see an Apocalypse pulling in rock in a 'roid field.
Garreck
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:17:00 -
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Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows.
For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!!
Now for all the people who think PvP should not be permitted in places throughout Eve, let me guess what some of you pilot???
Thorax is more cost effective, especially if you're mining in non-empire space. Easier to lose to an 'Oops' or an attack than 95m worth of ship because you had mining lasers equipped.
For mining in Empire space where there are no threats, however, it becomes more efficient to mine with a battleship as they have the most turrets + drone space. Personally, I'd rather leave the high sec mining to people I can pay, unless absolutely necessary (short low end ores for a manufacturing run).
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:18:00 -
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There's been threads about this before, and if you thought about it for a few hours you could probably work out the answer to your own question. (Unless you're just trolling in which case carry on  I love trolls)
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:31:00 -
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Now this is the problem with Eve, well not eve so much as the power player, they are so keen of getting the fattest wallet. They are happy to fit 7 or 8 miner to a great fighting ship and go and sit infront of a roid and mine for hours.
Then in the next breath they then moan because there is no content in Eve.
Maybe a solution would be to remove the ability to fit miners to battleships, keep them as fighting ship.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/09/2003 09:40:37
Changing the ways people already play is nothing but stupid. There are players (myself not included) who actually paid 60-120M for their battleships just so they can mine faster. Now that's SOME money wasting if they get "nerfed" so bad you can't even use them anymore.
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Ashton Black
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:41:00 -
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Works for me!
Hmmm.. One of the reasons my corp had to relocate recently is a team of 5 B/S miners were going through the system EVERY day and wiping out ALL the roids... even the baby roids. The system was ishisomo.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/09/2003 09:40:37
Changing the ways people already play is nothing but stupid. There are players (myself not included) who actually paid 60-120M for their battleships just so they can mine faster. Now that's SOME money wasting if they get "nerfed" so bad you can't even use them anymore.
Well if it was nerfed the amount they would have already made from using them for mining would make up for the lose. all they need to do is buy a Thorax stick 5(only a couple less than a BS) and go back out and mine. Then they could kit the BS out with a few guns....yes you heard me guns, on a battleship! And have the ability to defend themselves if they need to.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:09:00 -
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what's wrong with mining in a bship? what would u rather have a thorax with 5 miner II's and 10 harvesters or an apoc with 8 miner II's and 10 harvesters?
k thanx
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:21:00 -
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what's wrong with mining in a bship? what would u rather have a thorax with 5 miner II's and 10 harvesters or an apoc with 8 miner II's and 10 harvesters?
k thanx
I would rather have my Moa, that I can load out with either combat mod, mining mods or a combination of both. But then I am not a power player and try to live to the escence of the game. I enjoy the game for what it is and don't need to wow my friends with my huge powerful Battleship mining a Scordite roid!!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:27:00 -
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Turret slots. Convenience.
I think this thread has more to do with BS envy than the way the game is played.
People mine. Wow. Film at 11. Ships don't magically appear out of nowhere. Even the better pirate corps have alts that are more than happy to sit and stripmine a belt in 1.0 space.
Most of the people who do large scale mining ops don't care about the cash, they want the minerals.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/09/2003 10:38:14
5*90 + 9*30 = 720m3 (thorax)
8*90 + 9*30 = 990m3 (Apoc)
Difference: 37.5% m3 / minute
Oh, what a small difference.
What's the point to mine with a MOA? Two lasers, two rails for protection vs NPCs?
I fully understand that large-scale miners want both battleships (in their current state) + Miner II's. It's like choosing between a cruiser and battleship in PvP combat, the cruiser simply isn't as good.
I do agree that we need miner ships of different sizes, though.
Edit: By the way, it's not like you cannot fit an apoc for combat? I don't see your point.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:39:00 -
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Turret slots. Convenience.
I think this thread has more to do with BS envy than the way the game is played.
People mine. Wow. Film at 11. Ships don't magically appear out of nowhere. Even the better pirate corps have alts that are more than happy to sit and stripmine a belt in 1.0 space.
Most of the people who do large scale mining ops don't care about the cash, they want the minerals.
Where does envy come into this at all? I am more than happy to fly my lowly Moa about space mining when I need to and looking for combat, I have no need for a battleship, life is a lot more fun as I am to ruin it by becoming all powerfull.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 08/09/2003 10:42:19
Well lets say someone mined enough to buy a battleship. Then he feels like mining, so what is he supposed to do, select cruiser instead and mine in it so that he wont be flamed on forums?
The only reason I can think of to mine in a cruiser is that it doesnt hurt as much if you loose ship to pirates  but then again nobody undocks with intention of loosing the ship.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:43:00 -
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btw this topic is a troll, same as that topic about ppl playing female characters.
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:59:00 -
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8 lev2 mining laser with 9 harbester drone is alot better than 5 in a thorax :)
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:01:00 -
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Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows.
Because they are the ships that (usually) can equip the most mining lasers, thus mine the fastest. Simple as that..
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For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!!
I've mentioned this before and I do agree.. but CCP isn't willing to do much about it. I would love to see specialized mining ships, or industrials, doing the mining.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:04:00 -
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oh yeah, dont forget cargo space!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 08/09/2003 10:42:19
Well lets say someone mined enough to buy a battleship. Then he feels like mining, so what is he supposed to do, select cruiser instead and mine in it so that he wont be flamed on forums?
The only reason I can think of to mine in a cruiser is that it doesnt hurt as much if you loose ship to pirates but then again nobody undocks with intention of loosing the ship.
Which is why I think Battleships should have their miner use taken away or change their class name from Battleship to Giant Utility ships.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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s0cks
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:07:00 -
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create mining laser hardpoints then make dedicated mining ships
e.g 5 or 6 mining laser hardpoints, big cargo hold, onboard refinery
- frigates should mine/fight
- cruisers should fight
- battleships should fight
- industrials should haul
- mining rigs should mine
i think that would rock
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Carbon
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:13:00 -
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ROFL.. mining in a Moa! You ***** me up.
Seriously, though.. with your (Torath's) mindset, pirates should stick to small, fast ships, traders should never own anything better than a cheap "cargo cruiser" or simply stick with industrials, and manufacturers should never leave the station.
Come on! Why do you have to bash the serious miners out there? I remember getting someone ****ed off 'cause I was a miner in a cruiser.. so?! You think I should stick to an Imicus? Same concept with the cruiser vs. battleship for mining.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:17:00 -
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create mining laser hardpoints then make dedicated mining ships
e.g 5 or 6 mining laser hardpoints, big cargo hold, onboard refinery
- frigates should mine/fight
- cruisers should fight
- battleships should fight
- industrials should haul
- mining rigs should mine
i think that would rock
At last someone who understands where I am coming from. The idea is spot on, still gives versitility yet mean ships are more role orientated.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Chucky
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:18:00 -
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This game seriously lacks a resource gathering ship and resource controllers/refiners. Something like an industrial with 8-10 mining lasers and on board refinery. As I may have stated (only about a 100 times), resource collection is way to slow. The way it stands, corps have to mine all week just to have enough ships to fight only major battle on the weekends. Mining is the most boring thing there is, it needs to be speeded up keep this interesting. 
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Probe
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:19:00 -
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For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are.
Then the only use for a Cruiser should be... Cruising the Galaxy... stretching in those nifty tan-beds that use to be on every sea cruise ships while drinking some of those nifty tropical beverages...
...oh but wait... we can't cruise the universe in such a way because pirates will appear an kill us on our "enjoying-the-sun-while-being-lazy" mood.
Frigates would only do... hurmm... what the heck can a frigate do that fits its name??
...and there would be NO MINING because there is no ship with Miner on its name!
Happy now?? Is so... get a BShip and go mine. If not... don't get a BShip and go mine.
I fail to see why i shouldn't drive a Ferrari (if i had one) in the same roads that everyone uses just because it can go faster than a caravan.
If you only have a Tractor that goes 23kph max... why should i be prevented from driving my (imaginary) Ferrari at the road's maximmum speed allowed by law?? As long as i respect the law, i can can do what i please with the stuff i own.
Move along now.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:26:00 -
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For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are.
Then the only use for a Cruiser should be... Cruising the Galaxy... stretching in those nifty tan-beds that use to be on every sea cruise ships while drinking some of those nifty tropical beverages...
...oh but wait... we can't cruise the universe in such a way because pirates will appear an kill us on our "enjoying-the-sun-while-being-lazy" mood.
Frigates would only do... hurmm... what the heck can a frigate do that fits its name??
...and there would be NO MINING because there is no ship with Miner on its name!
Happy now?? Is so... get a BShip and go mine. If not... don't get a BShip and go mine.
I fail to see why i shouldn't drive a Ferrari (if i had one) in the same roads that everyone uses just because it can go faster than a caravan.
If you only have a Tractor that goes 23kph max... why should i be prevented from driving my (imaginary) Ferrari at the road's maximmum speed allowed by law?? As long as i respect the law, i can can do what i please with the stuff i own.
Move along now.
Your analogy is cr*p, and if you had any sort of clue about names of ships you would find a Cruiser is a Navy fighting ship, what you are talking about is a cruise liner!!!!!
Move along!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Nova Star
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:29:00 -
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I rather use my battleship to gain more money for my corporation than take it to the 0.0 zones and blow it up to some angry PC pirate loosing 60-100million of *HARD* worked money.
There is no way small corporations like us can support loosing our Battleships in unfair fights. So we use them for the second best thing: mining more cash.
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Nupraptor
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:35:00 -
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For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are.
Then the only use for a Cruiser should be... Cruising the Galaxy... stretching in those nifty tan-beds that use to be on every sea cruise ships while drinking some of those nifty tropical beverages...
...oh but wait... we can't cruise the universe in such a way because pirates will appear an kill us on our "enjoying-the-sun-while-being-lazy" mood.
Frigates would only do... hurmm... what the heck can a frigate do that fits its name??
...and there would be NO MINING because there is no ship with Miner on its name!
Happy now?? Is so... get a BShip and go mine. If not... don't get a BShip and go mine.
I fail to see why i shouldn't drive a Ferrari (if i had one) in the same roads that everyone uses just because it can go faster than a caravan.
If you only have a Tractor that goes 23kph max... why should i be prevented from driving my (imaginary) Ferrari at the road's maximmum speed allowed by law?? As long as i respect the law, i can can do what i please with the stuff i own.
Move along now.
*claps* great post. great comparison. hehe torath has battleship envy. heh, u mad theres is bigger then urs?
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Eliminatorr
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:42:00 -
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I hate to be a bug...but by your attitude Torath...
Cruising: to cruise, to be a cruiser  .
Nope, didn't come from a dictionary. But it's the same point .
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:43:00 -
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*claps* great post. great comparison. hehe torath has battleship envy. heh, u mad theres is bigger then urs?
Yeah, damn, if only I had spent my couple of months watching asteroid after asteroid then I could have what he has!! Such a brilliant deduction!!!!
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Noobious
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Noobious on 08/09/2003 11:46:50
w00t what a good idea dont use bs's for anything other than fighting....NOT, You see big corps that mass produce ships need to get the besting mining equipment poss, I do see where your coming from that you are annoyed people in battleships mine, but is that really your problem? If you ever get a bs no one will make you mine in it.  Being able to do differant things in diff ships is part of the game I guess its something we'll (you) all have to deal with unlucky.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:47:00 -
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I hate to be a bug...but by your attitude Torath...
Cruising: to cruise, to be a cruiser .
Nope, didn't come from a dictionary. But it's the same point .
Battleship: Any one of a class of warships of the largest size, carrying the greatest number of weapons and clad with the heaviest armor. Also called battlewagon.
Don't like to quote from a dictionary but when the natives get hostile!
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Cruise
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:49:00 -
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The game was structured with the ability to mount mining lasers to practically every ship (a few do come in mind where you can't, but they tend to be the exception).
Since they DIDN'T structure specific mining vessels, this means you have to live with the existing system as is, or be prepared to hose the entire game. Why? If you nerf one ship you're going to face a mob screaming to change everything else as well to their liking.
No battleships able to mine? Fine. People will insist then that cruisers get extra high slots to make up for the loss. After all you took away a part of the game they may have signed up for.
Can't mount 7 lasers with the power grid and cpu on a cruiser? Gee, they'll have to bump those up to compensate. Now you've got some cruisers that can mount 8 hefty guns and three of them easily can pop a battleship in record time. Now people in battleships are screaming the balance is whacked.
Okay, let's add a new class of vessel to the game: A mining ship.
How would you rig it? Would it be set up for high slots that can ONLY mount mining lasers? How can they expect to protect themselves at all? Put in a couple of extra hard points for missiles? Now you've got a ship that can not only mine but can possibly move to low sec space. You're still going to strip mine with these birds then, just like you would with a battleship.
Better yet, they'd most likely be a hell of a lot cheaper than battleships so now you've got a crapload of these mining vessels out stripping the hell out of sectors and more people complaining about power players because it's easier for them to become power players.
To me the game's far from perfect, but then there really are no perfect games. At this point in the game if you change the dynamics of the ships it's going to cause major chaos with the player base.
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:50:00 -
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People play this game for different reasons. My primary trained skills are Mining, Engineering, Electronics, Navigation & Space Ship Command. I like to mine and build over "blowing **** up". Not that there is anything wrong with "blowing **** up". Like I said, people play this game for different reasons. Someone posted before about making Mining ships that are week but awesome miners. I would only go for your idea if they introduced a new line of Mining Ships that could mine atleast as much as an Apoc which many people mine with now including me. I can use 9 drones and in about 15 days I'll have a 56.25% bonus to laser yeild.
The bigest problem I see is CEO's keeping their corp motivated. I don't think it's as much a problem for pirate corps since PvP can be a lot of fun at times however for people that like to gather resources and build things there is a serious problem imo. I had a lot of fun all the way up to when everyone got BB's in our corp but now, for me, there is nothing to do but mine bist and build more BB's.. I hope something gets done soon and mining becomes more involved.
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:05:00 -
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Allright. This has got to be one of the stupidest topics ever. So people mine in battleships. Go #%&^# cry about it. You want to know what? I mine in my arma! And you want to know what? I mine scordite!!!!! Yes, yes, ridicule me.
But it's good money when your semi-afk doing homework next to the computer. I also plan to mine scordite to pay for my Apoc. And then, I'll keep on mining.
It's my current chosen profession. You don't want to mine in a battleship? Then don't. I worked hard for my ship and I won't let some damn whiner tell me how to use it.
Yes, i know i can be labeled "carebear" because i mine in very high sec space, mining low end ore. Yes, I'm afraid to go to 0.0 space because i don't want my hard earned ship blown up by pirates because i've got the worst **** for luck.
Bottom line: Do what you want with your ship. Don't **** and moan about what other people do with theirs.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:17:00 -
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Only option would to create dedicated mining ships with tons (and I mean tons) of CPU/grid but about 10 capacitator and up the CPU and grid-use of mining lasers tremendously.
And even then some nitwit would find a way to abuse those mining hulks I bet ;)
There are no variables dictating what can be mounted to which ship apart from grid/CPU and capacitator. Dedicated mining high-slots would require some serious coding I'd figure.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:21:00 -
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On the back of most of these posts I think it maybe time to set up the Battleship freedom fighter. To save all the slave Battleships from their drab lives as miners. To free their hull and powercells by destroying their physical form so they may join their ancestors in the great junkyard in the sky.
So to all of you heathens who inssist on using them as work horses instead of the fighting vessles they were born to be, be affraid be very affraid!!!
P.S. To all who wish to join in this war, look me up my ibis will need a hand!
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Eliminatorr
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:46:00 -
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Well...actually...
Hmm. If you own a van, and use it for...oh I don't know, a mobile hot dog or ice cream stand, does this mean you can't use it to drive home in as well? Can't shop at the supermarket? Must let it sit accumulating dust while people don't need ice creams/hotdogs 'cos it's rainy and no-one is in the area?  I think many ice cream men across the globe have been betrayed by your line of thought Torath. Now they're doomed, doomed to an eternity of suffering beneath the cruel boots of law and order as they are sued for all their ice cream  .
That said, I'm sure mobile pizza sellers are similarly affected.
Hey-does this mean I can't peddle foodstuffs from my Thorax too?
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:08:00 -
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I am going home!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 08/09/2003 13:17:14
I say use your ship for whatever you want. But if you're too much of a wuss to do anything other than sit in 1.0 sec space strip mining so the noobs can't find any then expect to be ridiculed.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Reah
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:19:00 -
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could be fun to limit the curent ships abilities to mount miners. (more for battleships but also the smaller ships)
i wouldent mind if there came "spechial" mining ship designed for just that, mining.. it could have no missile launchers, and hardly be able to munt a gun
and also very limited med/lo slots, but high base cargo (compared to a ship of its class) and a bit slowish also it would need a guard as it should have a lot less hitpoints(indy style?) as its a mining ship, not combat ship and it isent designed to be shot at :D
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:28:00 -
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Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows.
For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!!
Now for all the people who think PvP should not be permitted in places throughout Eve, let me guess what some of you pilot???
Ehm, HAHAHA
Maybe because no other ship can fit 8 miners. Mybe because cruisers gets major CPU problems when trying to fit miner 2's.
Maybe because the thorax is the only cruiser who can use many drones.
Maybe because a spawn of 1 50k and 4 30k pirates isn't very healthy for a mining cruiser.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:44:00 -
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Ohh, and I forgot one thing. ASK A THORAX USER HOW LONG IT TAKES TO FILL HIS CARGO.
Yea baby, that's right. HE CAN'T COMPLETE A CYCLE BEFORE HIS CARGO IS FULL!!!
With mining lvl 5, astreology lvl 4, 5 Miner 2's and 9 harvester drones:
The Thorax mines 720 m^3 per minute.
The Thorax has a base cargo space of 265 m^3.
I wonder why people use battleships to mine with
DOH!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:50:00 -
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Ohh, and I forgot one thing. ASK A THORAX USER HOW LONG IT TAKES TO FILL HIS CARGO.
Yea baby, that's right. HE CAN'T COMPLETE A CYCLE BEFORE HIS CARGO IS FULL!!!
With mining lvl 5, astreology lvl 4, 5 Miner 2's and 9 harvester drones:
The Thorax mines 720 m^3 per minute.
The Thorax has a base cargo space of 265 m^3.
I wonder why people use battleships to mine with
DOH!
Thanks mate, my god if only I used my brain every now and again I could have answered this question myself.
So the basis for every answer is it gives you more ore which means more stuff which means more isk which means more stuff. Wow, I bet you have a really interesting time. Ever thought of trying to add to the content of Eve rather than your virtual pocket?
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:51:00 -
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what if what he wants to do in eve is get rich, why should he not be allowed to do so?
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elementalSEVEN
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:58:00 -
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Well my 2 peneth worth is - 10 Harvesters 10 Heavy combat drones 6/7 mining lazers, a battleship is a tool, not just a status symbol.!!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:58:00 -
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what if what he wants to do in eve is get rich, why should he not be allowed to do so?
No that is not a problem getting rich but if within a month you have a Billion isk then what you try for 2, 3 or more?
I think what I should really be asking is for CCP to introduce more specific class ships as in a previous post. I just personaly would not use a BS for mining, I find it hard using my Cruiser to do it as it is meant to be a war ship. But I also would never fly another race's ship as I am a Caldari and believe the ships they have are the best.(don't quote figure its only on a personal level)
I accept the increased income but just sadens me that there is no alternative to using a BS.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Rychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:19:00 -
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I can't belive there are people in BS who are scared to go into 0.0 space for fear of losing their ship. I have lived in 0.0 for a month and never worried about losing my Cruiser. Once I get the 100mil I need to get a BS I will upgrade and carry on as was. I just hope the pirates out there keep terrorising the Empire space to keep the,m on thier toes.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:21:00 -
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when you are flying 100 mil of your own cash you will know why some hesitate.
Personally I just check the map and keep my 3 mwds loaded, webify this :)
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:33:00 -
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when you are flying 100 mil of your own cash you will know why some hesitate.
Personally I just check the map and keep my 3 mwds loaded, webify this :)
C'est la vie, if I lose it I lose it, but as long as I am at the helm, I know it will never be taken. So no need for me to worry. And if I have jinx'd myself now and do. I always have my cruiser in the hanger.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:34:00 -
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I have two tristans somewhere in the stix.... they are my safety vehicles :)
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 16:51:00 -
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what if what he wants to do in eve is get rich, why should he not be allowed to do so?
Right. Except that I'm not in the game to be rich:p
I'm in the game for the fun of PvP. But PvP can never be fun if you're afraid to loose your ship. I've tried to fight with too many who are afraid of that already. All they do is sit inside a station all day until I go try to find someone else to fight. Hence, to be able to enjoy the fun of PvP, you need the resources to back you up. Simple.
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I can't belive there are people in BS who are scared to go into 0.0 space for fear of losing their ship. I have lived in 0.0 for a month and never worried about losing my Cruiser.
So right. The only place where I'm worried to go is those damn 1.0 system where the cops may blow me up without reason(despite a very good sec rating).
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:28:00 -
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There's been threads about this before, and if you thought about it for a few hours you could probably work out the answer to your own question. (Unless you're just trolling in which case carry on I love trolls)
trolls best cooked medium well, with a baked potato, and a nice salad...(we all love trolls)
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:33:00 -
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ironic that your comment on trolls is also trolling...
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:43:00 -
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If I mined, which I don't, I would prefer a battleship over a cruiser. Can fit 3 extra mining turrets over the best cruiser mining setup.
In the end, if you bought it you should be able to do what you please with it.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:48:00 -
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The pure mining ship should be fast, nimble, have plenty of mining beams and deep core equipment, not be able to have ANY attack except maybe drones, maybe cloacking too.
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SUNchaser
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Posted - 2003.09.08 18:13:00 -
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You can't really believe battleships were meant for combat do you. 90 mil that you can lose in a couple of minutes.....lol MOST people don't use battleships for combat and taking away the ability to mine with them won't change that.
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Rinekar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rinekar on 08/09/2003 19:12:36
Torath I see your point. It would be nice to someday see a specific ship that is optimized for mining and has bonuses accordingly. There are some cruisers in game currently that were centered around a mining and some what of a combat role derived from mining low sec space(i.e. the Gallente Exequror and the Vexor). As it is obvious that current game mechanics do not dictate that mining equiptment is limited to a certain type of ship this practice will continue. This fact however is really not a big deal. I applaud you for your decision to try and stay true to the class and type of ship you have chosen for yourself. I would however like to kindly remind you that many people have a different playing style and the game really does not restrict us to a certain manner of play. So don't worry about it, enjoy the game for how you like to play it...
Koensayr Drive Yards [KOEN] Website
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:13:00 -
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Jash,
Why can't you mine safely in 0.0 space?
8 Miner 2's, oodles of wasp drones, and even a solo miner can handle 0.0 cruiser spawns while making a stack of cash.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 08/09/2003 19:29:11
Here it is.... I have a Dominix. It is a decent ship to be sure. A good bang for the buck. But i'm not always out hunting and i'm not a raider or pirate. Mining is a major way of making money. In one setting we have pulled in 15mil isk. I understand this might be a waste of a good resource. Sure it only has one more high power slot than my old Thorax so I can only hold 6 mining lasers and like in my Thorax I can also use multiple harvester drones. My dominix can also hold 7 cargo expanders and when my 3 arcjets and 2 MWDs activate I can move aound with ease inspite of them.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:03:00 -
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I should have bought shares in a Eve Cheese Factory... in fact that's a nice name for a corp "The Cheese Factory"
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 08/09/2003 13:17:14
I say use your ship for whatever you want. But if you're too much of a wuss to do anything other than sit in 1.0 sec space strip mining so the noobs can't find any then expect to be ridiculed.
I mine in a 0.9 system with my bship  . And actually i do hunt believe it or not. Just not with my battleship.
And about strip mining fields so that newbs cannot find anything to mine... Thats just another bull**** idea someone made up to **** and whine their asses off some more about bship miners.
How many high sec systems are there in EVE? How many belts per high sec system? If your telling me that all those belts are being strip mined before they respawn then your a damn fool.
I mine in a system with 22 belts. There is no way in hell i or the other people in bships i mine with could deplete these fields.
So now i expect another post with some more half-assed thought-up-on-a-whim reasons why all of us in bships should go head to the nearest 0.0 system and farm NPC pirates.
Just keep in mind, a few months ago, mining in a cruiser seemed like a waste of money and these people were ridiculed as well.
Apparantly we're all supposed to be sitting in our ibis's and probe's with our two miner I's mining away.
I wouldn't be surprised if "someone" here goes and whines to CCP about battleship mining in high sec space. They only want newbs in frigs mining in high sec space apparantly.
Another point, large corporations require lots of pyrite/tritanium for their bship productions ect. ect. Do you expect newbs in frigs to meet that large of a demand? No. The thing is, us battleship miners are "needed".
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:52:00 -
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Why do you care what people do with thier battleships?
Is a_guy05 mining in his Apoc somehow damaging your gameplay? (And you can drop the "well they are strip mining n00b belts" arguement because I can take you to half a dozen 1.0 and 0.9 systems that have obviously not been mined in months)
If I (or anyone else for that matter) want to use a 90M isk battleship to mine, who are YOU to say I can't? Afterall, it's my isk...
What next? I'm not allowed to hunt 20k pirates in a frigate? I MUST transport my ore in an industrial?
And I suppose that 5 million units of Tritanium to build a battleship just grows on trees right?
Tell you what. When you can supply a large scale battleship construction company with enough tritanium to meet thier quotas on a continuing basis by mining in an Imicus, THEN you can dictate how I mine, and with what ships. Until then, mind your own business.
For the record, I mine in a Thorax. Where I mine is a) none of your business and b) dependand on whatever mineral contracts I'm trying to fill.
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Posted - 2003.09.08 22:15:00 -
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Now for all the people who think PvP should not be permitted in places throughout Eve, let me guess what some of you pilot???
Every bit you made up since makes perfect sence.
Just another one trying to make the good people of eve play the game your way.
People can do what the hell they want, unless there exploiting, im sure you play the game you wish.
Still there is indeed a morale highground to it, battleships indeed, just what the hell are PC pirates doing flying the latest military hardware.
Or come to think or it, the miners, or the traders..... Makes no sence to me going by your morale highground.
Surely such ships should be in the domain of the military only...
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 08/09/2003 22:44:11
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Still there is indeed a morale highground to it, battleships indeed, just what the hell are PC pirates doing flying the latest military hardware.
Surely such ships should be in the domain of the military only...
Exactly! That's why CCP should removed all player owned battleships that doesn't belong to MASS(yea, you have to look the meaning up for yourself, otherwise you'll start a flame party about our name:P. But if there were any roleplaying in EVE we'd live up to it).
j/k
Let people do what they want with their ships.
I'll not start the trolling about why you guys don't have battleship
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.09.09 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 09/09/2003 13:05:21
*And about strip mining fields so that newbs cannot find anything to mine... Thats just another bull**** idea someone made up to **** and whine their asses off some more about bship miners.*
So how come half the noob sector belts I've been in hardly have anything in there apart from Veld? Try looking for Pyroxeres or Plag and you find tiny little nubs that yield nothing because some BS miner stripped out anything of greater value than Veld.
*So now i expect another post with some more half-assed thought-up-on-a-whim reasons why all of us in bships should go head to the nearest 0.0 system and farm NPC pirates.*
Nah, no point really, you're only prepared to listen to your own opinion and declare anyone elses as half-assed.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
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Posted - 2003.09.09 13:20:00 -
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As far as strip-mining nub belts goes, my first experience of Eve two months ago on my first character was not being able to find any asteroid belts in Bourynes because they'd all been strip mined to nothing.
Personally I think it is bad Eve etiquette to mine in the 12 starter systems, they should be left to act as tutorial zones for nubs.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.09 13:22:00 -
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I love you Ch'ryl.
I have tried to put my point across but, the relentless atacks have forced me from my own thread. My back is only so broad as to bare the burden of the abuse that is posted.
But screw it.
I don't have a BS but have no envy.
I don't have Millions but don't care.
I don't care how you play the GAME was just asking a question.
I don't even care if you come and kick my ass in game, just be prepared to get it back.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:10:00 -
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So how come half the noob sector belts I've been in hardly have anything in there apart from Veld? Try looking for Pyroxeres or Plag and you find tiny little nubs that yield nothing because some BS miner stripped out anything of greater value than Veld.
Nah, no point really, you're only prepared to listen to your own opinion and declare anyone elses as half-assed.
Hmmm..... i see alot of ore of all types in newb systems. But, i havent mined in a starter system for a long long time. And besides, newbs don't stay in frigs as long as they did back when i was a newb. Everyones in at least a cruiser after a short ammount of time.
Oh, and about me listening only to my own opinion... I read everyone else's post here and read through their opinions. If i remember correctly, i share the same opinion as several other people here.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:22:00 -
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So how come half the noob sector belts I've been in hardly have anything in there apart from Veld? Try looking for Pyroxeres or Plag and you find tiny little nubs that yield nothing because some BS miner stripped out anything of greater value than Veld.
Nah, no point really, you're only prepared to listen to your own opinion and declare anyone elses as half-assed.
LMAO. Back in the day when I was a n00b and everyone was still in frigates, people in the n00b system complained about that all the Omber already was mined out.
And why would a battleship strip a belt only for plagi/pyro? The one thing they DO mine there is VELDSPAR to get all the trit for production of more battleships.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:41:00 -
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I would like to see industrials be the giant utility ships.
Essentially this:
Make new category mining turret.
Give industrials up to 8 of them.
Make cargo bay/drone bay interchangeable. ie in fittings screen move slider towards cargo and drone bay gets smaller and vice versa.
New attribute of mining laser -cargoholds% the more miners installed on the ship the less it can hold.
So that an industrial ship decked for mining 8 guns + drones would barely have enough room for one scoop of ore.
Makes sense to move industrial activities to the industrial ships. As it stands they are haulers not industrials.
I would also like to see options for secure hauling. Basically a ship that has less cargo's no turret bays but has shields/armor for days and sub systems that take double/triple strength to jam. ie would need double webs, double warp scramble etc...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:42:00 -
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Are the people who whine about battleships being used for mining the ones who can't afford a battleship?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:02:00 -
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Make new category mining turret.
Give industrials up to 8 of them.
And make indys cost 150M each, so that when people start strip mining with them, all the guys who can't affort them can start to whine
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:35:00 -
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Are the people who whine about battleships being used for mining the ones who can't afford a battleship?
Yes.
Once I got an Armageddon mining in my Thorax was no longer logical. If there were different slots for mining lasers I'd use the ship with the most mining laser to mine with. I can't understand how this thread got to be 5 pages long.
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.09.10 08:50:00 -
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Are the people who whine about battleships being used for mining the ones who can't afford a battleship?
Actually I'm not 'whining' about mining with BS. I have no problem with people mining with BS. But what I can't understand is why they have to mine with BS in the high sec areas. What's wrong with going down to a .5 area and mining with your BS? Don't tell me it's because of the npc pirates because they're a piece of cake in belts at .5. If Ican mine in .5 in a frigate and still look after myself a BS should have no problem.
And no, I have no BS and I don't envy those who do. Maybe I'll want one when I've been playing the game long enough and have all the skills, but at the moment I'm just enjoying playing the game and learning my capabilities.
My original point was, do what you want with your ship, it's your ship and if you want to mine with it then I have no problem with that. But, if you mine with it in 1.0 or .9 space then you leave yourself open to ridicule.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.09.10 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 10/09/2003 09:35:05
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Oh, and about me listening only to my own opinion... I read everyone else's post here and read through their opinions. If i remember correctly, i share the same opinion as several other people here.
Yes you do. But you're the one calling my opinion half-assed. I might disagree with your opinion but I am not dismissing it in such a derogatory manner.
And Torath, don't let anyone stop you from voicing your opinion. If we all agreed life would be boring as hell. And if people can't argue a point without becoming abusive then that's their problem. They are the ones who end up looking childish and petty. And at the end of the day, it's just words on a screen
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.09.10 09:39:00 -
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At last someone who understands where I am coming from. The idea is spot on, still gives versitility yet mean ships are more role orientated.
How about you stfu and let the players decide what role they want their ship to have?
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.10 09:57:00 -
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Are the people who whine about battleships being used for mining the ones who can't afford a battleship?
True I can't afford one, but the reason I can't is because I have too much fun cruising the systems interacting with people and exploring other places. I don't have time to sit for a week mining asteroids trying to keep myself from nodding off through boredom.
It is all through choice that I don't have one, and even if I did I would still whine about them being used for mining.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.10 10:09:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
At last someone who understands where I am coming from. The idea is spot on, still gives versitility yet mean ships are more role orientated.
How about you stfu and let the players decide what role they want their ship to have?
Which part of voicing an opinion did you not understand???
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.09.10 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 10/09/2003 09:35:05
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Oh, and about me listening only to my own opinion... I read everyone else's post here and read through their opinions. If i remember correctly, i share the same opinion as several other people here.
Yes you do. But you're the one calling my opinion half-assed. I might disagree with your opinion but I am not dismissing it in such a derogatory manner.
Thats because, now cover your ears, I'll be using a naughty word, it IS a bull**** idea. To me at least.... and as expressed by a few others, most likely to them as well.
Oh, and about mining in a 0.5 system, if someone's production is in a station in a 0.9-1.0 system, why travel out to a 0.5 system and have to haul the minerals back?
Also, why have to go to a 0.5 to mine what you can find ABUNDANTLY in 0.9-1.0 systems. It's all common sense, for those of us blessed with this godly quality.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.10 12:31:00 -
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Daehkthar Raehm
You bug me, the next time you hear from my sorry ass is when my corp declare war on yours and wipe you from the high sec belts for good!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.10 13:28:00 -
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Go mine yourself and get a bship too instead of *****ing and whining, every starting from scratch player now with the new minning skills can get a bship in less than 25 days. You must be one lazy bum.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.10 13:40:00 -
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Go mine yourself and get a bship too instead of *****ing and whining, every starting from scratch player now with the new minning skills can get a bship in less than 25 days. You must be one lazy bum.
Oh yeah, like I want to spend 25 days mining, my god you know how to have fun!!!
And yes I am a bum, a big fat hair ass!!!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.10 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Intruders on 10/09/2003 13:57:52
Edited by: Intruders on 10/09/2003 13:56:16
If you really want to go anywhere in EVE you need some day to train these skills
Electronics to 5
Engineering to 5
Spaceship Command to 5
Gunnery to 5
Each one takes 9 training days, IF you have everythink in all six learning skills to lvl3, all the above mentioned basic 4 skills x5 makes us 36 whole days, just for the training final lvl5 of all of them, so there have to be sometime that you will finally understand that everythink that worths something HAS TO TAKE SOME TIME in order to be completed in EVE Online.
Or just reconsider and start thinking you might be playing the wrong game.
I rest my case.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.10 14:52:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Intruders on 10/09/2003 13:57:52
Edited by: Intruders on 10/09/2003 13:56:16
If you really want to go anywhere in EVE you need some day to train these skills
Electronics to 5
Engineering to 5
Spaceship Command to 5
Gunnery to 5
Each one takes 9 training days, IF you have everythink in all six learning skills to lvl3, all the above mentioned basic 4 skills x5 makes us 36 whole days, just for the training final lvl5 of all of them, so there have to be sometime that you will finally understand that everythink that worths something HAS TO TAKE SOME TIME in order to be completed in EVE Online.
Or just reconsider and start thinking you might be playing the wrong game.
I rest my case.
But I am bum and don't have the time to be Mining forever!!!
Much rather sit on my ass in my*****pit and give Pirates and fools a pasting.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:00:00 -
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Posted this in other thread, might as well put it here:
Torath honey, I was thinking of getting some of the CFS alliance battleships together, lets say we take out a meager 40 strikecraft from our memberbase just for you, fit them all with miner 1, basic co-cpu and basic cargo expanders.
Then we all go to Todaki, Emrayur or something and make da veldspar pfh33r us and get some nasty screenshots, how about it huh?
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:43:00 -
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Torath, I think it was the wording. People playing devil's advocate just because the original post was liable to rub some the wrong way.
But if put in to a real perspective I think it's a fine idea to create more versatile indys.
BTW: I do own a battleship (armaggedon) one of the better miners, however I still feel having an indy be the miner is a good idea.
Dalmon, 150mil? I don't know who you're buying BS's from but your getting screwed. I would say that two things should limit the indys proliferation, training and cost. Some of the better ones could cost up to 20-40mil I would say and require specialized training like the iteron mk V.
As it stands the armaggedon and apoc are the best solo mining vessels in the game. They have enough low slots to get a respectable amount of cargo room and the most turrets AND have drones.
Anyway, probably be way off as far as a project considering the real biting issues that plague people, but the concept has merit. It adds depth for sure.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:51:00 -
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I use my battleship to fight, look good, get girls, get it on with girls, pick up beer, and generally annoy people who don't have a battleship yet.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Daehkthar Raehm
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Edited by: Daehkthar Raehm on 10/09/2003 22:25:04
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Daehkthar Raehm
You bug me, the next time you hear from my sorry ass is when my corp declare war on yours and wipe you from the high sec belts for good!
Oh, I bug you do i? Well I'm sorry then. I didn't mean to bother you in any way. (/sarcasm) Threatening me now? Grow up! And I'd like to see you try. Your just a pathetic loser who wants to seem tough by claiming "I'll declare war on you and kill your whole corp! Go me! I'm all powerful!" Pfft. Bring it *****.
Although i'd rather settle this without getting my corp involved, since none of them participate regularly in forum activities. But, it's no matter. You just can't cope with the fact that not enough people agree with your "bships should not be able to mine" ideas.
So please, indulge yourself with mighty words here on the forum and lets see how this plays out in the game. My bet is your 100% all talk.
But then again, you heard that I'm just a pitiful miner..... all i can ever do is mine mine mine..... Yep.....
If i said i was a PvP hunter, you wouldn't have half the balls your trying to "show" now with declaring war.
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:28:00 -
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ROFLMAO.
I just did an EVE search on you, Torath, It seems you are part of an NPC beginner corp. Have fun trying to "declare war" on me.
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Posted - 2003.09.10 23:05:00 -
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FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD!!! I take my big ass Battleship "Oliphant" to 1.0 and strip mine EVERYTHING! All the time! The reason being is that it's 1.0. It has no pirates to bug the crap out of me. Constantly swarming and forcing me to deploy a heavy drone... wasting my precious time. Hell I look at it as warp path debris removal. Making it safer for all you n00bs to travel around. And for all you guys that get stuck in 'roid gravity wells... how about that one! I'm doing you guys a service. You ungrateful prats! LOL
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Posted - 2003.09.11 01:13:00 -
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FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD!!! I take my big ass Battleship "Oliphant" to 1.0 and strip mine EVERYTHING! All the time! The reason being is that it's 1.0. It has no pirates to bug the crap out of me. Constantly swarming and forcing me to deploy a heavy drone... wasting my precious time. Hell I look at it as warp path debris removal. Making it safer for all you n00bs to travel around. And for all you guys that get stuck in 'roid gravity wells... how about that one! I'm doing you guys a service. You ungrateful prats! LOL
Not only is this guy my new hero, , He's also got Cloud in his sig.  Go FF7!!!!!!
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EdCase
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Posted - 2003.09.11 02:43:00 -
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Awww hell just change the name to GSV instead of Battleship...
Of course that may be a little too much Culture for some folks
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Damaclease
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Posted - 2003.09.11 04:18:00 -
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is eve actually an Ian M.Banks fan club second reference today.
i can only hope eve aspires to the ships in the books.
Dama
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.11 09:10:00 -
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ROFLMAO.
I just did an EVE search on you, Torath, It seems you are part of an NPC beginner corp. Have fun trying to "declare war" on me.
Why declare war, why not just come and kick your ass?
I am all talk anyway so I will just mine in my ibis.
And could you please refrain from using any personal insults, you don't know my back ground and just because I have a few disabilities doesn't mean you have the right to attack me.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Posted - 2003.09.11 09:23:00 -
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Thats because, now cover your ears, I'll be using a naughty word, it IS a bull**** idea. To me at least.... and as expressed by a few others, most likely to them as well.
It is a bull**** idea in your opinion. See that's the difference. I have an opinion, you have an opinion and they both differ - no problem. The difference is that I can argue a point without having to resort to sarcasm or trying to belittle the person whose opinion differs from mine. Whereas you appear to have difficulty debating this point without being didactic.
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Oh, and about mining in a 0.5 system, if someone's production is in a station in a 0.9-1.0 system, why travel out to a 0.5 system and have to haul the minerals back?
Also, why have to go to a 0.5 to mine what you can find ABUNDANTLY in 0.9-1.0 systems. It's all common sense, for those of us blessed with this godly quality.
Common sense is not a godly quality, so please, don't deify yourself. And you're right, you don't have to do anything you don't want. Play the game however you wish. My original point remains the same however - if you mine in 1.0 with a BS you are opening yourself up to ridicule.
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Posted - 2003.09.11 10:23:00 -
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The problem is not what people do with their Battleships... the problems is that people do EVERYTHING in Battleships.
Once you 're in a Battleship there is no reason to fall back to a cruiser or even a frigate.
Battleship Vs Battleship only fights which is the most frequent case atm are boring imho.
And bringing new ships ain't a solution either.... just perpetuating the problem.
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Posted - 2003.09.11 10:49:00 -
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The problem is not what people do with their Battleships... the problems is that people do EVERYTHING in Battleships.
Once you 're in a Battleship there is no reason to fall back to a cruiser or even a frigate.
Battleship Vs Battleship only fights which is the most frequent case atm are boring imho.
And bringing new ships ain't a solution either.... just perpetuating the problem.
I agree about the once you get a BS thats all you use. This does make the game a little single minded, it push's everyone in that direction due to the versitility of them.
If they were only able to be used as Battleships then there would be more need to use other ships.
Adding extra specific ship types with more defined uses would make for a more job structured enviroment and not just get a BS it does it all anyway.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Posted - 2003.09.11 11:16:00 -
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About two weeks ago I decided to bite the bullet and get an Apoc... I had a total of 13 million in the bank.
It took me all of 3 days mining bistot in a Thorax to get me my nice shiny Apoc.
The moral of the story is if you really want something you can get it reasonably quickly in EVE... but it's not going to stay that way for long... why? ... because everywhere I mined thousands of bistot is now populated with baby roids everywhere.
And on using battleships to mine... if you have an 8 turret ship that can handle all your mining drones would you want to go back to a ship that has only 5 beams?
I think you are right in one respect... there should be mining ships out there... with bigger holds and can only mount mining lasers. Once they are introduced you can then make the combat ships unable to mount more than 2 or 3 I would say.
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.09.11 11:53:00 -
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ROFLMAO.
I just did an EVE search on you, Torath, It seems you are part of an NPC beginner corp. Have fun trying to "declare war" on me.
Why declare war, why not just come and kick your ass?
I am all talk anyway so I will just mine in my ibis.
And could you please refrain from using any personal insults, you don't know my back ground and just because I have a few disabilities doesn't mean you have the right to attack me.
*chuckle* Ehem, sorry, i cannot read any of your posts seriously now.
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.09.11 12:02:00 -
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Thats because, now cover your ears, I'll be using a naughty word, it IS a bull**** idea. To me at least.... and as expressed by a few others, most likely to them as well.
It is a bull**** idea in your opinion. See that's the difference. I have an opinion, you have an opinion and they both differ - no problem. The difference is that I can argue a point without having to resort to sarcasm or trying to belittle the person whose opinion differs from mine. Whereas you appear to have difficulty debating this point without being didactic.
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Oh, and about mining in a 0.5 system, if someone's production is in a station in a 0.9-1.0 system, why travel out to a 0.5 system and have to haul the minerals back?
Also, why have to go to a 0.5 to mine what you can find ABUNDANTLY in 0.9-1.0 systems. It's all common sense, for those of us blessed with this godly quality.
Common sense is not a godly quality, so please, don't deify yourself. And you're right, you don't have to do anything you don't want. Play the game however you wish. My original point remains the same however - if you mine in 1.0 with a BS you are opening yourself up to ridicule.
Sorry, it's the way i am. Very sarcastic. But i continue to forget one major thing. Sarcasm does not work online. So excuse me. And i normally don't try to belittle people, it's just that I'm tired of everyone ****in and moaning about bship miners ect. Actually, i usually play the nice helpful guy ingame (Believe it or not).
Oh, and the whole "godly" thing. That was just another unmarked sarcastic comment. As most people (hopefully) posess common sense.
I guess none of this really matters anymore, since school started, I haven't been able to strip mine all the ore away from the poor newbs lately. Hardly get to play . Guess it's gettin to me.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.11 12:12:00 -
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Sorry, it's the way i am. Very sarcastic. But i continue to forget one major thing. Sarcasm does not work online. So excuse me. And i normally don't try to belittle people, it's just that I'm tired of everyone ****in and moaning about bship miners ect. Actually, i usually play the nice helpful guy ingame (Believe it or not).
Oh, and the whole "godly" thing. That was just another unmarked sarcastic comment. As most people (hopefully) posess common sense.
I guess none of this really matters anymore, since school started, I haven't been able to strip mine all the ore away from the poor newbs lately. Hardly get to play . Guess it's gettin to me.
No worries mate I was only messing with the disability, well unless you count my drinking problem!!
Respect on your convictions and hope we meet in game sometime, either under the banner of aggression or friendship.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Rychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:45:00 -
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You can't get all lovey dovey after what had been said before where are you balls???????
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:52:00 -
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sarcasm does work... just couple it with
this saves you 99% of the time :)
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.09.11 20:07:00 -
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sarcasm does work... just couple it with
this saves you 99% of the time :)
Now how did i miss that one? Man, you've saved me endless hours of explanations, . Thanks!
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Silinary
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Posted - 2003.09.11 22:21:00 -
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I mine in a Megathron called the "Ore Goblin" in a 0.9 system, sometimes a 0.8 system. Why dont' I take it down to the lower sec systems? well it seems the pirates like to take out my harvester drones ... not cheap to replace latly either. I can eventually kill the rats with my heavy missiles, but that costs money too .. why not sit in a nice high sec system and do full force mining without worrying about rats killing my harvesters?
Now, on he positive front, I don't mine in newb sectors .. .I personally think those systems should be let to the new players, but I won't dictate how others should or shouldn't play, I just don't do it. Why do I need to mine? To feed my industry :) I'm pretty much the only miner in my corp and I need to be able to build cruisers and ammo .. takes a few minerals :) Compitition is stiff on products too, so solely buying the minerals is an option that I don't see as being favorable.
If there was a dedicated mining ship that had 8 high slot mounts, at least 7 turrets, and an 8th slot, either missile or turret for protection and can mount at least a medium gun for proper protection, plus a large cargo hold and drone bay to hold all my harvesters and ore, then I would use that. It pains me to see such a proud ship mining, but there is no alternative.
No, I don't risk it in combat .. not with the stability issues, and I have the sight to see that my skills dont' favor combat ... so if I do hunt, it's in a Celestis.
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