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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:47:00 -
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I hate to be a bug...but by your attitude Torath...
Cruising: to cruise, to be a cruiser  .
Nope, didn't come from a dictionary. But it's the same point  .
Battleship: Any one of a class of warships of the largest size, carrying the greatest number of weapons and clad with the heaviest armor. Also called battlewagon.
Don't like to quote from a dictionary but when the natives get hostile!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Cruise
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:49:00 -
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The game was structured with the ability to mount mining lasers to practically every ship (a few do come in mind where you can't, but they tend to be the exception).
Since they DIDN'T structure specific mining vessels, this means you have to live with the existing system as is, or be prepared to hose the entire game. Why? If you nerf one ship you're going to face a mob screaming to change everything else as well to their liking.
No battleships able to mine? Fine. People will insist then that cruisers get extra high slots to make up for the loss. After all you took away a part of the game they may have signed up for.
Can't mount 7 lasers with the power grid and cpu on a cruiser? Gee, they'll have to bump those up to compensate. Now you've got some cruisers that can mount 8 hefty guns and three of them easily can pop a battleship in record time. Now people in battleships are screaming the balance is whacked.
Okay, let's add a new class of vessel to the game: A mining ship.
How would you rig it? Would it be set up for high slots that can ONLY mount mining lasers? How can they expect to protect themselves at all? Put in a couple of extra hard points for missiles? Now you've got a ship that can not only mine but can possibly move to low sec space. You're still going to strip mine with these birds then, just like you would with a battleship.
Better yet, they'd most likely be a hell of a lot cheaper than battleships so now you've got a crapload of these mining vessels out stripping the hell out of sectors and more people complaining about power players because it's easier for them to become power players.
To me the game's far from perfect, but then there really are no perfect games. At this point in the game if you change the dynamics of the ships it's going to cause major chaos with the player base.
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Captain Black
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:50:00 -
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People play this game for different reasons. My primary trained skills are Mining, Engineering, Electronics, Navigation & Space Ship Command. I like to mine and build over "blowing **** up". Not that there is anything wrong with "blowing **** up". Like I said, people play this game for different reasons. Someone posted before about making Mining ships that are week but awesome miners. I would only go for your idea if they introduced a new line of Mining Ships that could mine atleast as much as an Apoc which many people mine with now including me. I can use 9 drones and in about 15 days I'll have a 56.25% bonus to laser yeild.
The bigest problem I see is CEO's keeping their corp motivated. I don't think it's as much a problem for pirate corps since PvP can be a lot of fun at times however for people that like to gather resources and build things there is a serious problem imo. I had a lot of fun all the way up to when everyone got BB's in our corp but now, for me, there is nothing to do but mine bist and build more BB's.. I hope something gets done soon and mining becomes more involved.
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:05:00 -
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Allright. This has got to be one of the stupidest topics ever. So people mine in battleships. Go #%&^# cry about it. You want to know what? I mine in my arma! And you want to know what? I mine scordite!!!!! Yes, yes, ridicule me.
But it's good money when your semi-afk doing homework next to the computer. I also plan to mine scordite to pay for my Apoc. And then, I'll keep on mining.
It's my current chosen profession. You don't want to mine in a battleship? Then don't. I worked hard for my ship and I won't let some damn whiner tell me how to use it.
Yes, i know i can be labeled "carebear" because i mine in very high sec space, mining low end ore. Yes, I'm afraid to go to 0.0 space because i don't want my hard earned ship blown up by pirates because i've got the worst **** for luck.
Bottom line: Do what you want with your ship. Don't **** and moan about what other people do with theirs.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:17:00 -
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Only option would to create dedicated mining ships with tons (and I mean tons) of CPU/grid but about 10 capacitator and up the CPU and grid-use of mining lasers tremendously.
And even then some nitwit would find a way to abuse those mining hulks I bet ;)
There are no variables dictating what can be mounted to which ship apart from grid/CPU and capacitator. Dedicated mining high-slots would require some serious coding I'd figure.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:21:00 -
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On the back of most of these posts I think it maybe time to set up the Battleship freedom fighter. To save all the slave Battleships from their drab lives as miners. To free their hull and powercells by destroying their physical form so they may join their ancestors in the great junkyard in the sky.
So to all of you heathens who inssist on using them as work horses instead of the fighting vessles they were born to be, be affraid be very affraid!!!
P.S. To all who wish to join in this war, look me up my ibis will need a hand!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Eliminatorr
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:46:00 -
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Well...actually...
Hmm. If you own a van, and use it for...oh I don't know, a mobile hot dog or ice cream stand, does this mean you can't use it to drive home in as well? Can't shop at the supermarket? Must let it sit accumulating dust while people don't need ice creams/hotdogs 'cos it's rainy and no-one is in the area?  I think many ice cream men across the globe have been betrayed by your line of thought Torath. Now they're doomed, doomed to an eternity of suffering beneath the cruel boots of law and order as they are sued for all their ice cream  .
That said, I'm sure mobile pizza sellers are similarly affected.
Hey-does this mean I can't peddle foodstuffs from my Thorax too?
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:08:00 -
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I am going home!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 08/09/2003 13:17:14
I say use your ship for whatever you want. But if you're too much of a wuss to do anything other than sit in 1.0 sec space strip mining so the noobs can't find any then expect to be ridiculed.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Reah
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:19:00 -
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could be fun to limit the curent ships abilities to mount miners. (more for battleships but also the smaller ships)
i wouldent mind if there came "spechial" mining ship designed for just that, mining.. it could have no missile launchers, and hardly be able to munt a gun
and also very limited med/lo slots, but high base cargo (compared to a ship of its class) and a bit slowish also it would need a guard as it should have a lot less hitpoints(indy style?) as its a mining ship, not combat ship and it isent designed to be shot at :D
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:28:00 -
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Is there anyone out there or is it just me who has this issue. Why do some players insist on using their BS as huge miners. Surely a cruiser is enough for any miner to be happy with why drag a battleship down into the mining lows.
For starter the name 'Battleship' sort of indicates what its uses are. Second its(and I am sorry for the analogy)like using a modern Battleship to go fishing!!!!
Now for all the people who think PvP should not be permitted in places throughout Eve, let me guess what some of you pilot???
Ehm, HAHAHA
Maybe because no other ship can fit 8 miners. Mybe because cruisers gets major CPU problems when trying to fit miner 2's.
Maybe because the thorax is the only cruiser who can use many drones.
Maybe because a spawn of 1 50k and 4 30k pirates isn't very healthy for a mining cruiser.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:44:00 -
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Ohh, and I forgot one thing. ASK A THORAX USER HOW LONG IT TAKES TO FILL HIS CARGO.
Yea baby, that's right. HE CAN'T COMPLETE A CYCLE BEFORE HIS CARGO IS FULL!!!
With mining lvl 5, astreology lvl 4, 5 Miner 2's and 9 harvester drones:
The Thorax mines 720 m^3 per minute.
The Thorax has a base cargo space of 265 m^3.
I wonder why people use battleships to mine with
DOH!
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:50:00 -
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Ohh, and I forgot one thing. ASK A THORAX USER HOW LONG IT TAKES TO FILL HIS CARGO.
Yea baby, that's right. HE CAN'T COMPLETE A CYCLE BEFORE HIS CARGO IS FULL!!!
With mining lvl 5, astreology lvl 4, 5 Miner 2's and 9 harvester drones:
The Thorax mines 720 m^3 per minute.
The Thorax has a base cargo space of 265 m^3.
I wonder why people use battleships to mine with
DOH!
Thanks mate, my god if only I used my brain every now and again I could have answered this question myself.
So the basis for every answer is it gives you more ore which means more stuff which means more isk which means more stuff. Wow, I bet you have a really interesting time. Ever thought of trying to add to the content of Eve rather than your virtual pocket?
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:51:00 -
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what if what he wants to do in eve is get rich, why should he not be allowed to do so?
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elementalSEVEN
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:58:00 -
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Well my 2 peneth worth is - 10 Harvesters 10 Heavy combat drones 6/7 mining lazers, a battleship is a tool, not just a status symbol.!!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:58:00 -
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what if what he wants to do in eve is get rich, why should he not be allowed to do so?
No that is not a problem getting rich but if within a month you have a Billion isk then what you try for 2, 3 or more?
I think what I should really be asking is for CCP to introduce more specific class ships as in a previous post. I just personaly would not use a BS for mining, I find it hard using my Cruiser to do it as it is meant to be a war ship. But I also would never fly another race's ship as I am a Caldari and believe the ships they have are the best.(don't quote figure its only on a personal level)
I accept the increased income but just sadens me that there is no alternative to using a BS.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Rychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:19:00 -
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I can't belive there are people in BS who are scared to go into 0.0 space for fear of losing their ship. I have lived in 0.0 for a month and never worried about losing my Cruiser. Once I get the 100mil I need to get a BS I will upgrade and carry on as was. I just hope the pirates out there keep terrorising the Empire space to keep the,m on thier toes.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:21:00 -
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when you are flying 100 mil of your own cash you will know why some hesitate.
Personally I just check the map and keep my 3 mwds loaded, webify this :)
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:33:00 -
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when you are flying 100 mil of your own cash you will know why some hesitate.
Personally I just check the map and keep my 3 mwds loaded, webify this :)
C'est la vie, if I lose it I lose it, but as long as I am at the helm, I know it will never be taken. So no need for me to worry. And if I have jinx'd myself now and do. I always have my cruiser in the hanger.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:34:00 -
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I have two tristans somewhere in the stix.... they are my safety vehicles :)
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 16:51:00 -
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what if what he wants to do in eve is get rich, why should he not be allowed to do so?
Right. Except that I'm not in the game to be rich:p
I'm in the game for the fun of PvP. But PvP can never be fun if you're afraid to loose your ship. I've tried to fight with too many who are afraid of that already. All they do is sit inside a station all day until I go try to find someone else to fight. Hence, to be able to enjoy the fun of PvP, you need the resources to back you up. Simple.
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I can't belive there are people in BS who are scared to go into 0.0 space for fear of losing their ship. I have lived in 0.0 for a month and never worried about losing my Cruiser.
So right. The only place where I'm worried to go is those damn 1.0 system where the cops may blow me up without reason(despite a very good sec rating).
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:28:00 -
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There's been threads about this before, and if you thought about it for a few hours you could probably work out the answer to your own question. (Unless you're just trolling in which case carry on I love trolls)
trolls best cooked medium well, with a baked potato, and a nice salad...(we all love trolls)
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:33:00 -
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ironic that your comment on trolls is also trolling...
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:43:00 -
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If I mined, which I don't, I would prefer a battleship over a cruiser. Can fit 3 extra mining turrets over the best cruiser mining setup.
In the end, if you bought it you should be able to do what you please with it.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:48:00 -
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The pure mining ship should be fast, nimble, have plenty of mining beams and deep core equipment, not be able to have ANY attack except maybe drones, maybe cloacking too.
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SUNchaser
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Posted - 2003.09.08 18:13:00 -
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You can't really believe battleships were meant for combat do you. 90 mil that you can lose in a couple of minutes.....lol MOST people don't use battleships for combat and taking away the ability to mine with them won't change that.
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Rinekar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rinekar on 08/09/2003 19:12:36
Torath I see your point. It would be nice to someday see a specific ship that is optimized for mining and has bonuses accordingly. There are some cruisers in game currently that were centered around a mining and some what of a combat role derived from mining low sec space(i.e. the Gallente Exequror and the Vexor). As it is obvious that current game mechanics do not dictate that mining equiptment is limited to a certain type of ship this practice will continue. This fact however is really not a big deal. I applaud you for your decision to try and stay true to the class and type of ship you have chosen for yourself. I would however like to kindly remind you that many people have a different playing style and the game really does not restrict us to a certain manner of play. So don't worry about it, enjoy the game for how you like to play it...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:13:00 -
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Jash,
Why can't you mine safely in 0.0 space?
8 Miner 2's, oodles of wasp drones, and even a solo miner can handle 0.0 cruiser spawns while making a stack of cash.
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 08/09/2003 19:29:11
Here it is.... I have a Dominix. It is a decent ship to be sure. A good bang for the buck. But i'm not always out hunting and i'm not a raider or pirate. Mining is a major way of making money. In one setting we have pulled in 15mil isk. I understand this might be a waste of a good resource. Sure it only has one more high power slot than my old Thorax so I can only hold 6 mining lasers and like in my Thorax I can also use multiple harvester drones. My dominix can also hold 7 cargo expanders and when my 3 arcjets and 2 MWDs activate I can move aound with ease inspite of them.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:03:00 -
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I should have bought shares in a Eve Cheese Factory... in fact that's a nice name for a corp "The Cheese Factory"
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