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raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 332	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:10:00 - [1] - Quote I wondered how was EVE preparing to face the might of David Braben's latest work on the Elite series. But then I looked at EVE's latest patch pictures and I saw what they did there! These new mobile structures, the Mobile Depot and the Mobile Siphon Unit... where have I seen this kind of design? Maybe in some of Elite: Dangerous ships like the Sidewinder, the Viper or even the Cobra??? What about the new ISIS guide? Wait a minute... I think I've seen something from Elite: Dangerous like that aswell... was it the starmap? Yes, I remember it now! Omg, even EVE's website front page now has a yellow button like the Elite: Dangerous' site and it's new store! ED webmasters even had to change their button's color to orange to stay original! This attempt to clone Elite:Dangerous assets comes as another sign of serious confidence loss within CCP's direction, despite claims made by its CEO in this interview, where he states that "It's easy to go and look at all the new shiny things that are coming but we don't want to be doing that. We want to stick to our guns". It's somewhat understandable that CCP's stakeholders might be afraid to lose costumers to a game like Elite, the godfather of space trading and combat simulators and a pioneer in 3d computer graphics and procedural generation, that served as role model for EVE Online itself aswell as other games like Wing Commander and Freelancer. ED's early backer rewards program has recently closed with over 40.000 backers donating over -ú2 million pounds of crowdfunding swag. The alpha build is now live. (If you aren't lucky enough to be one of the backers with Alpha build access, you can check this twitch feed for streamers.) Open world sandbox and space simulation fans are highly optimistic about the game and anxious to get their hands on the final release. And it's not for less. The game is looking gorgeous and will give players the freedom to roam/resource gather/trade/pirate/fight in more than 100 billion procedurally generated star systems (including our own) with moving celestials, real 1:1 scale and physics. Oculus Rift support is currently working on the alpha build, future expansions confirmed by Braben include avatar gameplay, atmospheric entry and planet landing/exploration. The game will have no monthly fees but they do plan on charging for these expansions. Early backers who funded -ú80 or more will have free access to all of them, besides the satisfaction of knowing they helped once more to kick big publishers in the nuts with another epic crowdfunded project Will this game kill EVE? Will we abandon New Eden forever? Of course not, but it will surely hurt CCP's finances, not only by attracting a lot of its current playerbase but also by offering a fresh and high quality game to the space sandbox MMO genre newcomers. EVE could be top dog in the industry by offering a top quality product to the players, but CCP decided to pursue other ventures and is now playing catch-up with its new competition. Care to share your thoughts? Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Trii Seo Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 353	Posted - 2013.12.23 13:03:00 - [2] - Quote I think this will be a perfect game to play while playing EVE. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 7635	Posted - 2013.12.24 18:30:00 - [3] - Quote Yes. Elite:D will definitely kill Eve...just like X:Rebirth did. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Jove Death The Jovian Navy 342	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:21:00 - [4] - Quote Ofc it will kill EvE like the other 100 games we will say will kill EvE. However for some reason we are still here WTF! Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
Kairavi Mrithyakara New Sepulchral Monolith 184	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:46:00 - [5] - Quote raven666wings wrote: I wondered how was EVE preparing to face the might of David Braben's latest work on the Elite series. But then I looked at EVE's latest patch pictures and I saw what they did there! These new mobile structures, the Mobile Depot and the Mobile Siphon Unit... where have I seen this kind of design? Maybe in some of Elite: Dangerous ships like the Sidewinder, the Viper or even the Cobra??? What about the new ISIS guide? Wait a minute... I think I've seen something from Elite: Dangerous like that aswell... was it the starmap? Yes, I remember it now! raven666wings wrote: This attempt to clone Elite:Dangerous assets comes as another sign of serious confidence loss within CCP's direction... Are those entirely original designs on part of E:D, the sort that have never been seen before in sci-fi? raven666wings wrote: Will this game kill EVE Other games of similar style/genre release, every now and then. People go to take a look at these other games, some of them possibly don't return. It is a consequence of video games being a prosperous industry. I wonder why the announcement of yet another sci-fi game automatically entails asking "will New Eden die now?"
Freakdevil Aliastra Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.25 13:32:00 - [6] - Quote I welcome the addition of any new space game as it boosts interest in EVE and the space genre. Personally I haven't followed the game's development but you have peaked my interest. If Elite could copy EVE's economy and territory system, eliminate the gate camping and provide combat like X3 then yes it would or at least could severely impact EVE. But can or will it do that? I would love to see it try. I would love to see any game try. Been waiting for years for that.
Captain Stupid Citalopram Appreciation Society 66	Posted - 2013.12.26 09:23:00 - [7] - Quote Elite D will not impact Eve, being that it is a totally different style of game. In Elite, the online experience wil be a lot different, allowing you to choose just how much interaction you have with others, unlike Eve of course, where you get no choice (a good thing!). The first alpha build is out, and at the moment it is just a test of the single player combat. That said, I have seen enough to say the two games are not comparable. Not in a bad way, both have their merits. Elite is looking good, and even the first build is fun to play. I will play it a lot if this is anything to go by, but it will not affect my sub to Eve, and I suspect the same will be for many others.
Mirime Nolwe Mantra of Pain 92	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:45:00 - [8] - Quote X-Rebirth (a failure at current state) Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous it's a wonderful thing to EVE because it will make CCP and their staff work and improve EVE. I think most of you people just see this kind of games from a negative side, why should i think these games will make a severe impact to EVE? This is a great chance to see CCP staff move their fat asses and improve their game for a change.. I almost dont remember the last time i saw a expantion coming out with real content. The last time that happened was at March 10th 2009 with Apocrypha. I want to see more projects like SC and ED!
Elixir Ripley Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:03:00 - [9] - Quote Good point. Let us look to the future with optimism. ... and yes, it turned out not be what it expected, but mentioned that it was not "X3" but restart the series (?). Terrible, such hopes were. Will be rehabilitated?
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 355	Posted - 2013.12.26 23:43:00 - [10] - Quote One of the things that sparked my interest for Elite when I heard about it was the procedurally generated universe. Check out the link on the bottom of that page if you'd like to see how how Elite uses the Fibonacci sequence for procedural content generation. Fibonacci was an Italian mathematician in the 13th century who discovered a way to generate apparently random numbers using a simple formula. It is a powerful mathematical tool that explains how patterns in nature work, and Elite developers initially used it in their game to cope with limited memory problems while trying to create galaxies to play in a BBC Micro with 18kB of memory. To play a game using this content creation technique is surely an experience worth having. Reminded me of this movie about a paranoid mathematician who does computational research on Pi to try to find patterns in nature. He kind of gets a moment of clarity when he meets this Jewish numerologist who tells him about the Torah, associates it with the Fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.

Mudkest Adventurers 134	Posted - 2013.12.27 12:27:00 - [11] - Quote raven666wings wrote: What about the new ISIS guide? Wait a minute... I think I've seen something from Elite: Dangerous like that aswell... was it the starmap? Yes, I remember it now! Care to share your thoughts? I must be blind, but I dont really see teh similarities[implied copy paste ...] between teh 2. Then again, that star map from elite, I've seen that before somewhere. yes, I remember, Nexus, the jupiter incident OMG elite copied from another game too!! raven666wings wrote: Viper a flying triangle, also hardly an original design
Captain Tardbar Sons of Sam 912	Posted - 2013.12.28 00:33:00 - [12] - Quote Captain Stupid wrote: Elite D will not impact Eve, being that it is a totally different style of game. In Elite, the online experience wil be a lot different, allowing you to choose just how much interaction you have with others, unlike Eve of course, where you get no choice (a good thing!). The first alpha build is out, and at the moment it is just a test of the single player combat. That said, I have seen enough to say the two games are not comparable. Not in a bad way, both have their merits. Elite is looking good, and even the first build is fun to play. I will play it a lot if this is anything to go by, but it will not affect my sub to Eve, and I suspect the same will be for many others. I don't get this mindset. Everything that competes for your time and money competes with EVE. I mean I have been playing Starbound sincce I got it last month. I stopped playing EVE and figure I won't be renewing my sub in January. Starbound is nothing like EVE yet it still competes for my time because I only have a limited amount of it. Ergo all games compete with EVE. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4094	Posted - 2013.12.28 21:04:00 - [13] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Yes. Elite:D will definitely kill Eve...just like ~~X:Rebirthblack prophecyjumpgateSWTORStar Trek Online~~ every game with a single star in it did. Fixed.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4094	Posted - 2013.12.28 21:07:00 - [14] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Captain Stupid wrote: Elite D will not impact Eve, being that it is a totally different style of game. In Elite, the online experience wil be a lot different, allowing you to choose just how much interaction you have with others, unlike Eve of course, where you get no choice (a good thing!). The first alpha build is out, and at the moment it is just a test of the single player combat. That said, I have seen enough to say the two games are not comparable. Not in a bad way, both have their merits. Elite is looking good, and even the first build is fun to play. I will play it a lot if this is anything to go by, but it will not affect my sub to Eve, and I suspect the same will be for many others. I don't get this mindset. Everything that competes for your time and money competes with EVE. I mean I have been playing Starbound sincce I got it last month. I stopped playing EVE and figure I won't be renewing my sub in January. Starbound is nothing like EVE yet it still competes for my time because I only have a limited amount of it. Ergo all games compete with EVE. And so all games (not just the spaceship ones) have failed to kill EVE. The mindset I don't understand is the one of such extreme denial that it doesn't understand that the problem is itself (and not being suited to EVE Online) not EVE online itself.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4094	Posted - 2013.12.28 21:10:00 - [15] - Quote Captain Stupid wrote: Elite D will not impact Eve, being that it is a totally different style of game. In Elite, the online experience wil be a lot different, allowing you to choose just how much interaction you have with others, unlike Eve of course, where you get no choice (a good thing!). The first alpha build is out, and at the moment it is just a test of the single player combat. That said, I have seen enough to say the two games are not comparable. Not in a bad way, both have their merits. Elite is looking good, and even the first build is fun to play. I will play it a lot if this is anything to go by, but it will not affect my sub to Eve, and I suspect the same will be for many others. Same here. Some people don't understand how powerful non-consensual experiences are to binding a playerbase to a game experience. Sure, that same non-consensual experience tends to turn off casuals, but you can either have a quality game or a large quantity of players. I have yet to see a game do both.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 383	Posted - 2013.12.29 05:33:00 - [16] - Quote Here's another feature EVE is trying to copy from Elite: the anti-griefing mechanism (and lack of there of in outlawed space). I'm sure you've heard by now about CCP's "Hallelujah plan", the 3 year production roadmap that will "put more power in the hands of the capsuleers by letting them take control over NPC empire space". The next major patch containing this change in the mechanics of highsec space (where a player who doesn't have a criminal security status and who's not engaged in war is always protected by Concord and Empire forces against aggressors) will most likely go live a couple of days before the official Elite: Dangerous launch. In Elite: Dangerous' gameplay "Players will choose how much they interact with others,[3] from completely offline play to something approaching an MMO.[4][5] The extensively procedurally generated universe is expected to be vast both in scope and detail, perhaps allowing players to fly down into a unique cloudscape for every planet of every size in a universe containing hundreds of billions stars.[6][7] Unlike previous games in the series, procedural generation of economic and political aspects of the universe will be based largely on player input, so for example a concerted campaign by players against a star system could destabilise the local government, turning it from a stable system into an anarchic one.[8] Many elements of previous games will be retained, with the most playable parts taken from each.[9] For example, space flight will be more like the original Elite,[10][11] whereas players will be able to buy and customise ships like in the Frontier games.[12][13] The creators have often noted how the previous games lend themselves naturally to modern online gaming - for example, destroying an innocent ship has always led to a criminal record and to police attention in systems rich enough to afford law enforcement, which would provide a powerful anti-griefing mechanism in a multiplayer game." Elite: Dangerous Dev Diary 2- How the Galaxy will Evolve Over Time Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 385	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:52:00 - [17] - Quote I would dare saying that the other major feature on the "Hallelujah plan" (the introduction of a new type of space to be colonized by capsuleers who can build a new type of stargate to reach it) will be an attempt from CCP to intruduce procedurally generated solar systems in EVE, but since no official details have been released about that feature yet, I will refrain myself from speculating on it. Instead, I will gift you another nice trinket I found while watching the new Dust514 Uprising 1.7 feature video! You know how they say... Christmas might be gone, but it can be any day you want it to be! Is it me, or that planet map looks like a copy of the 1984 Elite one? Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 390	Posted - 2014.01.11 14:59:00 - [18] - Quote And yet another Elite: Dangerous feature copied by CCP - the ship's cockpit radar! EVE: Valkyrie's ship cockpit BEFORE Elite: Dangerous' alpha EVE: Valkyrie's ship cockpit AFTER Elite: Dangerous' alpha What, you thought that was it? No more copying from Elite and sticking to their own guns from now on? Hah, don't fool yourself capsuleers! It's easy to look at new shiny things that are coming out, and CCPeers need fresh ideas while developing their new EVE: Valkyrie simulator! Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Oosel The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension 7	Posted - 2014.01.14 12:42:00 - [19] - Quote i only started to play eve because of the original elite which i'd played over and over in various formats bbc, spectrum48k, atari st and c64.......i really couldnt get enough of the game and for me eve was an evolution of that game and was multi player and it has been the only space game that ever competed with it. i honestly think that elite dangerous will be an evolution of elite and eve combined and hope that it does take me away from eve but until its out and im playing it eve will continue to be my game of choice as it has been for over 10 years
Slade Trillgon Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1219	Posted - 2014.01.14 13:27:00 - [20] - Quote Captain Stupid wrote: In Elite, the online experience wil be a lot different, allowing you to choose just how much interaction you have with others, unlike Eve of course, where you get no choice (a good thing!). I somewhat disagree since it is fairly easy to find a couple adjacent systems and spend weeks without seeing a sole or you could go to any of the trade hubs and see 1000's.

Plastic Psycho Necro-Economics 686	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:10:00 - [21] - Quote Oosel wrote: i only started to play eve because of the original elite which i'd played over and over in various formats bbc, spectrum48k, atari st and c64.......i really couldnt get enough of the game and for me eve was an evolution of that game and was multi player and it has been the only space game that ever competed with it. i honestly think that elite dangerous will be an evolution of elite and eve combined and hope that it does take me away from eve but until its out and im playing it eve will continue to be my game of choice as it has been for over 10 years I came to EVE Online for the same reasons and causes. But I find that EVE is only remotely like Elite - too many differences to call them competitors. If Elite: D is anything remotely faithful to Elite, I don't see much overlap, nor any threat to EVE at all. Elite: D might be a good game to play whilst I mine... Oh, wait. I don't mine. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me
Blastcaps Madullier Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 102	Posted - 2014.01.16 11:31:00 - [22] - Quote Other one you got coming is star citizen, either way ccp are in for some strong compertition
Mortlake Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 38	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:00:00 - [23] - Quote raven666wings wrote: It's somewhat understandable that CCP's stakeholders might be afraid to lose costumers to a game like Elite I would have thought that the recent drop in subscriptions from costumers might have something to do with the majority of them being busy due to the recent party and pantomime season. RL comes first. Just saying.
Yosef Brinalle University of Caille Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:39:00 - [24] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Some people don't understand how powerful non-consensual experiences are to binding a playerbase to a game experience. The term is Stockholm Syndrome
Reiisha Evolution 490	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:47:00 - [25] - Quote Yes, i see how a twitch-based singleplayer game with instanced multiplayer focusing on exploration is a direct competitor to an RTS-style non-instanced PvP focused MMO focusing on planning and economy. EVE will die off horribly once this Elite game is released. (I will be playing both anyway.) If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 394	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:43:00 - [26] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status - Dev Diary #10 - Released The latest dev diary video has been released announcing the release of the Alpha phase 2.0GÇô Multiplayer build. In it David talks about other Alpha phases we will be releasing before the game progresses to Beta. You can view the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIrcOLEdrvw - Alpha Phase Two - Multiplayer The Alpha Phase Two is ready! We are currently testing it locally and early next week Alpha players will be able to download the multiplayer phase of our Alpha build. We will email you directly as it goes live. In addition to the existing single player combat scenarios there will be four new scenarios in a totally new location. You can expect: Factions: Two sides battling it out Capital Ship Defense: Defend a damaged Federal Battlecruiser against numerous foe Miners and Law Men: Protect or pirate miners going about their business, you choose how you want to play! Free for all: battle it out in an, all against all, melee Player can also earn credits in each scenario that can be used to purchase ship loadouts. This is an incredibly exciting and important phase in the development of Elite: Dangerous - player stat tracking, the multiplayer networking code and associated management are all big new systems that are being tested with this build, plus it's the first time we will be able to test how the game mechanics will perform with significant numbers of players all playing at the same time. - Approaching Beta Many of you have been asking us when we will be releasing the Beta. It will be released when each phase of the Alpha has been released and we've acted on the feedback we get from it. As David mentioned in Dev Diary #10 after next week's Alpha 2.0 we still have 2 major Alpha releases to roll out before we reach the Premium Beta stage; Outfitting, Travel & Trading. (source - Elite: Dangerous' Newsletter #16) Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 394	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:45:00 - [27] - Quote Huh, I don't know about you guys, but to me this game is looking like it's gonna hit the spot in a way that EVE won't be able to in the next 20 years. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Tarpedo Incursionista 731	Posted - 2014.02.02 14:13:00 - [28] - Quote Don't worry for EVE/CCP: CCP know what to do if subs will shrink - they'll fire some people, make some promises, do some debugs and everything will be fine. Also FPS simulators aren't direct competitors for EVE - even when they have half-a** sandbox attached.
Reiisha Evolution 495	Posted - 2014.02.02 15:31:00 - [29] - Quote I don't understand the problem, i'll be playing both. They're completely different games. If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Dragon Outlaw Rogue Fleet 175	Posted - 2014.02.02 15:38:00 - [30] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Huh, I don't know about you guys, but to me this game is looking like it's gonna hit the spot in a way that EVE won't be able to in the next 20 years. I to look forward to play this game. I have a feeling it will be a nice surprise when it finally hits the market. I do not think it will kill Eve but I am pretty sure a significant number of Eve's players will give it a try and eventually, they will put most of their gaming time in it. Eve has gone stale in the past year or two with a lot of issues CCP seem not to care about. The last events in null sec just made things worst. ED will surely provide new pleasures and excitement Will try it for sure!!

raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 404	Posted - 2014.04.27 20:11:00 - [31] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status In this issue weGÇÖll be taking a look at one of the most important features of Elite: Dangerous; Trading. We go into detail on how we have been able to handle the complexities of developing a galactic trading market with the help of GÇÿMiniEliteGÇÖ and the economies and commodities you can expect to encounter and trade with in Alpha 4. This weekend is also your last chance to purchase Alpha access. Details of this are in the GÇÿStart Playing TodayGÇÖ section. In this newsletter: Table of Contents (click subject to jump forward): http://elitedangerous.co.uk/newsletter/20#1 Sneak Peak - Planetary Rings Cool Running part 2 Start Playing Today Comms Chatter Mostly Harmless Questions source: Elite: Dangerous newsletter #20 Elite: Dangerous newsletter #20 Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 319	Posted - 2014.04.28 08:41:00 - [32] - Quote If Elite:Dangerous goes well and becomes the game David Braben wants it to be, it will be the best game to play simultaneously with EvE...C: In other news, I have made a thread for it without the vs shenanigans here.
Inari Visas X-Prot 42	Posted - 2014.04.28 09:02:00 - [33] - Quote This thread is really reaching. I would like the same googles you wear so I can notice where EVE copies from ELITE. Because with the googles I wear now, I just don't see it.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 319	Posted - 2014.04.28 10:48:00 - [34] - Quote Well, one thing is for sure...carebear style will be relevant for both games... http://thargoidandfer-de-lance.com/songs/elitecarebear.mp3
Samued Ryan New American Syndicate 0	Posted - 2014.04.30 09:54:00 - [35] - Quote Inari Visas wrote: This thread is really reaching. I would like the same googles you wear so I can notice where EVE copies from ELITE. Because with the googles I wear now, I just don't see it. I think this might answer your question: Gamasutra 2005 wrote: GÇ£The founders had two passions which they wanted to join,GÇ¥ explained Richardsson. GÇ£The sci-fi feel and vastness of space from Elite and the social interaction of massively multiplayer and player vs. player gaming from Ultima Online. Elite was a big influence on the original concept of EVE Online. Though now Elite is back in the market I expect EVE to try and downplay it's ancestry.
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 141	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:10:00 - [36] - Quote Elite D Vs Eve SC Vs Eve Eve is so hardcore, it's committing non-consensual PvP on other games!
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 13:36:00 - [37] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Elite D Vs Eve SC Vs Eve Eve is so hardcore, it's committing non-consensual PvP on other games! You got it wrong, it's the other games that are commiting non-consensual PvP on EVE while it's trying to get some isk. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Gregor Parud 462	Posted - 2014.04.30 13:42:00 - [38] - Quote Seems like the OP is still very much butt hurt about being banned.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:40:00 - [39] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Seems like the OP is still very much butt hurt about being banned. EVE Online forum The Rules 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:52:00 - [40] - Quote I expected you to have better arguments than that. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.

raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 17:44:00 - [41] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status: Backers: 46,872 Funds Raised: -ú2,641,582 (USD $4,226,531) Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 17:52:00 - [42] - Quote Samued Ryan wrote: Elite was a big influence on the original concept of EVE Online. Though now Elite is back in the market I expect EVE to try and downplay it's ancestry. Lol that and trying to copy some of Elite's features and assets while hoping it will pass under their player's radar... ridiculous. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.

ISD Tyrozan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 380	Posted - 2014.05.01 00:41:00 - [43] - Quote Moderation discussion post removed. Forum rule 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan \| @ISD_CCL

raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 421	Posted - 2014.05.04 05:25:00 - [44] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status In this issue we are going even deeper into some of the features you will see in Alpha 4 and we announce the date of the final stage of the Alpha process. We explain how Alpha 4 manages to deliver the entire galaxy using Cobra, FrontierGÇÖs proprietary 64-bit enabled software technology. We also look at the night sky as seen in Elite: Dangerous and explain the different and dangerous modes of travelling through our vast Galaxy. Table of Contents (click subject to jump forward): In-coming - Alpha 4 release date announced Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymoreGÇª Alpha 4: Bo+¦tes Camp The Need for Speed Peek of the Week Comms Chatter Mostly Harmless Questions Available Now! source: Elite: Dangerous newsletter #21 Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 421	Posted - 2014.05.04 05:51:00 - [45] - Quote Really hyped for this game. Keep getting blown away by David Braben and Frontier Developments' impressive computational genius and game development expertise. Their usage of procedural and rendering techniques, the fidelity and efficiency of their game engine... the 400 billion star systems contained in the Alpha 4 release, the means of travel that Commanders are able to use to travel among them and the gameplay possibilities that are opening up! Truly amazing stuff. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 459	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:44:00 - [46] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status In this issue we learn how the Pilots Federation formed, and hear more about the three power blocs at large in the Galaxy. We also take a deeper look at the star systems centered around the Bo+¦tes constellation that make up the five spectacular systems you will encounter in Alpha 4. Table of Contents (click subject to jump forward): In-coming - Sneak Peek of the Week Badge of Honor Introducing the Galactic Power Blocs Alpha 4: Bo+¦tes Camp Part 2 Start Playing Today! Comms Chatter Mostly Harmless Questions A Tribute to Colin Pillinger source: Elite: Dangerous newsletter #22 Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:12:00 - [47] - Quote Elite: Dangerous newsletter #23 is out! Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Commissar Kate Team Evil 60850	Posted - 2014.05.18 17:16:00 - [48] - Quote Elite looks more and more fantastic as the days go by. I'll be very excited to get my hands on it when its released. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk. My Fanclub \|\| Unlock all racial clothing
ISquishWorms 229	Posted - 2014.05.18 21:14:00 - [49] - Quote This game is beginning to look very tempting. I love what I have seen of it thus far. .
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 466	Posted - 2014.05.19 17:54:00 - [50] - Quote ISquishWorms wrote: This game is beginning to look very tempting. I love what I have seen of it thus far. My only criticism is that do you think it has enough tooltips? Maybe not... the ammount of spreadsheets seems to be lacking aswell when compared to EVE Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.

Aoife Fraoch Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2014.05.20 21:59:00 - [51] - Quote I am just about ready to pay for beta access for elite, especially after seeing the extended trade game play in alpha 4. I doubt this will replace eve for me. different games, different skill sets, different things I like, e.g, the stalking and planning aspect of eve pvp v twitch dogfighting. Interestingly, there is a real contrast between people looking forward to elite and people looking forward to star citizen. one group appears sane and fairly relaxed, the other resembles a cult.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 470	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:50:00 - [52] - Quote Aoife Fraoch wrote: I am just about ready to pay for beta access for elite, especially after seeing the extended trade game play in alpha 4. I doubt this will replace eve for me. different games, different skill sets, different things I like, e.g, the stalking and planning aspect of eve pvp v twitch dogfighting. Interestingly, there is a real contrast between people looking forward to elite and people looking forward to star citizen. one group appears sane and fairly relaxed, the other resembles a cult. What a shame you did not pay for it before December the 8th. You'd have gotten all the cool rewards, including free access to any and all expansions futurely released by Frontier. Well, I can see something in common between many tinfoil wearing individuals who kept trying to bash both projects with negativity and skepticism. I'm not saying this is your case, but they'll get laughed at when they too go back and play the games without getting the early backer rewards. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Aoife Fraoch Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2014.05.21 04:09:00 - [53] - Quote raven666wings wrote: What a shame you did not pay for it before December the 8th. You'd have gotten all the cool rewards, including free access to any and all expansions futurely released by Frontier. Well, I can see something in common between many tinfoil wearing individuals who kept trying to bash both projects with negativity and skepticism. I'm not saying this is your case, but they'll get laughed at when they too go back and play the games without getting the early backer rewards. Have a look at the description for the premium beta package. I just find it interesting comparing the hype and conversation that surrounds the two projects. Personally I think they both look interesting. I think I do prefer the approach and development methodology elite has taken though. From my own experiences working with pushing stakeholders on projects, it looks like they have adopted a good level of risk management and a decent approach to managing expectations.
Amateratsu The Pegasus Project 66	Posted - 2014.05.21 06:58:00 - [54] - Quote For me personally ED is going to blow eve away, its going to have all the features I enjoyed playing in the original elite on the amiga and wanted in eve plus a whole lot more. proper control and flight of your ship instead of pointing and clicking where you want your ship to go. atmostheric flight and planetary landings.. (planed for eve but never materialised) Proper exploration... 100 billion star systems (the entire milky way galaxy) at your beckon call with no fear of gatcamps, roaming gangs or alliance blobs to cut short your fun. proper dog fights in space where your flying skills can make a difference I can't wait to get my hands on the premium beta next week.... Now before you ask I will NOT be quitting EVE. I love Eve, have been playing for 9 years. so you can't have my stuff. But ED is definitely gonna eat into my social time.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 470	Posted - 2014.05.21 10:04:00 - [55] - Quote Aoife Fraoch wrote: Have a look at the description for the premium beta package. I just find it interesting comparing the hype and conversation that surrounds the two projects. Personally I think they both look interesting. I think I do prefer the approach and development methodology elite has taken though. From my own experiences working with pushing stakeholders on projects, it looks like they have adopted a good level of risk management and a decent approach to managing expectations. You're right, the beta packages still have the free expansion access pass. They said that the early backer rewards on the beta and alpha packs would end on December 8th. Guess the free expansions wasn't one of them. Yeah I agree that although Frontier has basically only cashed in 1/10th of CIG's revenue and had overall a poorer marketing campaign (probably due to the fact of not selling in-game goods like ships ) they have done their homework and aren't facing major technical issues, deadlines set for alpha and beta build release were complied with and they're in a better position towards delivering the final build of the game. But don't forget that there's also many people that are freaking out over Star Citizen because a) they are too impatient and b) they have not understood that many of the stretch goals and features announced by Roberts will not be in the first release of the game but only added later on. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Aoife Fraoch Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1	Posted - 2014.05.21 13:09:00 - [56] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Aoife Fraoch wrote: Have a look at the description for the premium beta package. I just find it interesting comparing the hype and conversation that surrounds the two projects. Personally I think they both look interesting. I think I do prefer the approach and development methodology elite has taken though. From my own experiences working with pushing stakeholders on projects, it looks like they have adopted a good level of risk management and a decent approach to managing expectations. You're right, the beta packages still have the free expansion access pass. They said that the early backer rewards on the beta and alpha packs would end on December 8th. Guess the free expansions wasn't one of them. Yeah I agree that although Frontier has basically only cashed in 1/10th of CIG's revenue and had overall a poorer marketing campaign (probably due to not selling in-game goods like ships ) they have done their homework and aren't facing major technical issues, deadlines set for alpha and beta build release were complied with and they're in a better position towards delivering the final build of the game. But don't forget that there's also many people that are freaking out over Star Citizen because a) they are too impatient and b) they have not understood that many of the stretch goals and features announced by Roberts will not be in the first release of the game but only added later on. Yeah, elite has flown completely under the radar, which is probably both good and bad. it means they are under a little less pressure on the one hand, but it also means they might not have access to the same market star citizen could grab on launch. if elite can hit their deadlines on time this should not be a problem, but if they and star citizen come out at the same time it could be interesting. if star citizen's hype can be controlled and managed without turning into rage and backlash, it will help with marketing in ways that elite won't easily match.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence 577	Posted - 2014.05.21 17:23:00 - [57] - Quote Star Citizen is primarily a flight combat game. Elite is primarily a trading/exploration game. Both are twitch games, which is something very different to the RTS style of EVE. I'll still be playing EVE when Elite is out and if Star Citizen turns out allright (i have my doubts) i'll probably play that too. I do hope we can fly into starts in that last one at some point. Would love to know what that looks like with the Oculus. If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 471	Posted - 2014.05.22 17:20:00 - [58] - Quote Reiisha wrote: Star Citizen is primarily a flight combat game. Elite is primarily a trading/exploration game. Both are twitch games, which is something very different to the RTS style of EVE. Nope. Both will be space simulation mmorpg's where you will be able to do all those things and even more like avatar gameplay and planetary exploration. Reiisha wrote: I'll still be playing EVE when Elite is out and if Star Citizen turns out allright (i have my doubts) i'll probably play that too. Good for you. Keep in mind though that many people have lives and cannot spend so much time with so many games, therefore many of them will play only one or one at a time. Take a wild guess at which one will people get bored with faster and stop paying a monthly sub. Reiisha wrote: I do hope we can fly into starts in that last one at some point. Would love to know what that looks like with the Oculus. You can get close to them to a certain distance, but won't be able to fly too close into them because your ship would melt. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Slick Slomopavitz Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:20:00 - [59] - Quote To be honest, EVE Valkyrie is the one I'm most looking forward to most. But the others are definitely contenders. "Some places got a Murphy bed, this place got a Murphy shower. I still don't know where to hang the towels!"
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 471	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:52:00 - [60] - Quote Slick Slomopavitz wrote: To be honest, EVE Valkyrie is the one I'm most looking forward to most. But the others are definitely contenders. Put some contenders in that. If EVE Valkyrie follows the same model of Dust514 (dull pay2win matchmaker) it's gonna have serious trouble in attracting and holding players for more than a couple weeks. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.

Kaivar Lancer Biological Mechanical Unlimited 504	Posted - 2014.07.05 13:53:00 - [61] - Quote Elite completely flew under the radar for me until last month, when I saw a bunch of Youtube clips. One thing I disliked about Eve is the lack of immersion. It is almost literally spreadsheets in space, and there are some gameplay mechanics that just seem stupid or arbitrary (gate camps etc). But Elite blew me away. You really felt like a small minnow in a gigantic galaxy. I believe Elite will have 100 billion systems?
rogue Aldebaran Rogue Fleet 4	Posted - 2014.07.06 17:43:00 - [62] - Quote Kaivar Lancer wrote: Elite completely flew under the radar for me until last month, when I saw a bunch of Youtube clips. One thing I disliked about Eve is the lack of immersion. It is almost literally spreadsheets in space, and there are some gameplay mechanics that just seem stupid or arbitrary (gate camps etc). But Elite blew me away. You really felt like a small minnow in a gigantic galaxy. I believe Elite will have 100 billion systems? I am ok about the spreadsheets. The thing however where I totally agree with you is some of the mechanics that really disappointed me when I started playing. I really though it would be impossible to shoot someone through objects like asteroids, stations, even a friendly ship. Seeing my ship suddenly "bump" some invisible object every time I would fly near an asteroid or station always frustrated me. And lots of issues reported by many players CCP never seem to want to fix. This is why Elite is interesting for me. It really looks like this new game (same with SC) will not have these issues. It is the reason why I will try it.
xXxAK47xXx Simple Inc Simple Group 1	Posted - 2014.07.07 04:16:00 - [63] - Quote You forget EVE is social based more then anything else. Games like Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen and X:Rebirth are all Combat driven. Think them more like World of Tank, Planes and Ships. Social base seems very limited. EVE is a real civilization in terms of gaming. It will take years for them to exploit and become EVE like community. By then EVE will evolve to something new like it always does. Specially since they have become more focus to EVE, rather than Valkyrie and 514.
Soulpirate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 357	Posted - 2014.07.07 06:33:00 - [64] - Quote xXxAK47xXx wrote: You forget EVE is social based more then anything else. Games like Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen and X:Rebirth are all Combat driven. Think them more like World of Tank, Planes and Ships. Social base seems very limited. EVE is a real civilization in terms of gaming. It will take years for them to exploit and become EVE like community. By then EVE will evolve to something new like it always does. Specially since they have become more focus to EVE, rather than Valkyrie and 514. LOL, dude..... Leave some of the kool-aid for the other kids.
Matilda Cecilia Fock Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 210	Posted - 2014.07.07 06:54:00 - [65] - Quote xXxAK47xXx wrote: You forget EVE is social based more then anything else. Games like Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen and X:Rebirth are all Combat driven. Think them more like World of Tank, Planes and Ships. Social base seems very limited. EVE is a real civilization in terms of gaming. It will take years for them to exploit and become EVE like community. By then EVE will evolve to something new like it always does. Specially since they have become more focus to EVE, rather than Valkyrie and 514. I have some news for you: socializing on the internet was one thing in 2003, and is a completely different beast in 2014. Today, the line between "other players as an asset" and "other players as a liability" is quite blurry, specially since the average Joe from 2014 socializes a hundred times a day from his smartphone and doesn't needs any jerk backstabbing him after several months of building up trust and virtual sandcastles. Q: So many well known dev's left lately, should we be worried? A: (Jester): Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or ~~Xhagen~~ leaves.
Sieges 65	Posted - 2014.08.28 18:19:00 - [66] - Quote I 'own' Premium Beta access to Elite: Dangerous and am finding it might be really good if you have and excellent HOTAS set-up. I only play with an Xbox 360 controller and I am finding it very difficult to control my ship. But I am old now and not young and twitchy as I was when I played on my Commodore 64 in 1984 Elite's setting is beautiful and the ships look cool. But there is no third-person view so you can't really appreciate your ship. When you are playing about 33% of the screen is covered by the cockpit, so you can't see as much of the view as you might like. Chatting with other players is difficult, not that there is much reason to talk to them nor time to take your hands off the stick and type. Multiple ship ownership does not yet exist and from the sound of it, it will be expensive to own very many ships because you have to pay rent in the station per ship.. Also the only storage you have is in your ship, there is no warehouse in the stations (and may never be according to the dev blogs) So far it feels like a very immersive simulator. Which is good, if that is what you like. It definitely is not the same kind of game as EVE though. Spaceships and space is about all they have in common. Time will tell how it fleshes out. It is very instanced and while it takes place in one 'server' you will never see more than 32 players on the screen in the same location as yourself. It feels a lot more like a single player game that takes place in a multi-player world and the other players don't really serve a purpose yet
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved 74	Posted - 2014.09.02 18:45:00 - [67] - Quote raven666wings wrote: babble babble You should go meet up with Star Citizen supporters, if you got the balls.
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Vicky Powers Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:20:00 - [69] - Quote Sieges wrote: I 'own' Premium Beta access to Elite: Dangerous and am finding it might be really good if you have and excellent HOTAS set-up.... Me too! I'm having a blast in the game and yes it's great with the HOTAS. I haven't been vaporized by a station yet! Say hi in ED (Celeste), we'll go shoot some pe.. I mean fly and stuff
Indahmawar Fazmarai 2822	Posted - 2014.09.03 12:58:00 - [70] - Quote I Am Elite (main theme from Elite: The musical) A clue on the existence of this... jewel... was found here: http://themittani.com/media/elite-musical The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar

Lipbite Express Hauler 1885	Posted - 2014.09.03 16:59:00 - [71] - Quote I have Elite - it strongly reminds me of EVE in 2004-6. It look very promising but also it's unintuitive, does not have tutorials, has unnecessary and stupid mechanics from "good ol' days" (asking stations for landing permission, manual extraction of landing gear, etc.). Lack of 3rd person view isn't fun (why do people even care about cosmetic skins for ships having this mode?). Flying back and forth with full cargo of fish becomes very boring very fast. I'll continue playing STO unless Frontier will create avatar gameplay with third person view or (maybe) colony/outpost building.
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 594	Posted - 2014.09.03 17:14:00 - [72] - Quote If Elite delivers on everything it's promised then it might take people away from Eve permanently. However, as Star Citizen has shown, having huge scope for a game very seldom leads to it being part of a game. There has to be a balance between developing the game and then finally releasing it for people to play. Look at the languages these Blogs use, they havent even created this content yet. it's currently just post-it-note stuff. When it's like and kicking we can have this discussion.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved 74	Posted - 2014.09.16 19:50:00 - [73] - Quote Here is some pointers, after trying out Elite Dangerous, to anyone considering partying with their hard earned cash. To those that don't read the fine print, and believe that Elite Dangerous has any resemblance to an "MMO" that it claims to be.... forget, it is not. Let's start with the world model: * 400 billion systems, (rumored) 70,000 inhabited. If you think finding targets in EvE is hard, try doing that in Elite. Good luck actually finding real players. The game is designed from a single-player perspective, and the world is populated, but by NPCs, taking role of local security, trade haulers, bounty hunters and pirates: all NPCs. * Next comes the instancing. Here it is quite similar to Star Citizen, and works more like an FPS rather than an MMO. You connect to a server/instance/island, and that server/instance/island can only hold 32 other players (NPCs don't count), like an FPS server being full. I understand it's a necessary evil for performance reasons, but both SC and ED leave much unanswered here. This is one of those things that I will mark as "let's see how it works". However, here is my view at it now. Want a "fair" fight? Get 16 people into group, and look for like minded group on some instance. Want to blob? Get a 25-player group and find unsuspecting few people. Want to never ever worry about risk of other players? Get a 32-player group, and your instance will be "full" to anyone else. But wait, there are "better" ways to avoid people. * I am willing to see how the instancing works out, however what I am not willing to accept is the ability to "escape" from an instance simply by loading another. So you jump to a station, in your hauler with no weapons, and there is a combat blockade. What do you do? Do you take responsibility for your stupid actions of flying un-escorted and unarmed into what amounts to be a 0.0 system? Nope, you simply jump out and jump back in, and you would have loaded a different instance, which may or may not have the enemy blockade. Avoiding risk by one-step-short-of-logout. But wait, like I said, there are "better" ways to avoid people. * Solo online mode. If you think that everything upto here doesn't really break the "MMO Open Sandbox" part, wait till you hear this. You, at will, can go "Solo", which means you will never see another player, nor will they see you. You still play in the same Universe, but in some kind of "shifted phase", so you don't interact with anyone. Imagine playing EvE, seeing local spike, and just flipping "I am invisible" mode and continuing on your merry business. This is not a "Solo server". This is not a "solo character". This is a "flip-of-a-switch-leave-me-alone" solo mode, that retains all your progress, but allows you to play risk-free, and once you've made enough money to go back to "open world", and then run away to "solo" again. * No market economy. Economy? What economy? There is endless credits faucet with no sinks. By from NPC orders, sell to NPC orders. Instant profit (no time to wait for the order to be sold). And they've made it clear that actions of a single player will never affect the economy prices. Only when a large percentage of population trades a commodity would it's price be shifted. "Dynamic player influence economy" my ass. * No territorial control. All that space, and you can't even block an entrance to the station cause [see instancing]. So, with everyone doing all the credits grid risk-free in solo/private-group modes, and people only jumping to "open world" mode for PvP, there won't be half the advertised game content (pirates, bounty hunters, mercenaries, security). It will be a single-player/co-op game, with a PvP arena.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 2931	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:16:00 - [74] - Quote hydraSlav wrote: Here is some pointers, after trying out Elite Dangerous, to anyone considering partying with their hard earned cash. To those that don't read the fine print, and believe that Elite Dangerous has any resemblance to an "MMO" that it claims to be.... forget, it is not. Let's start with the world model: * 400 billion systems, (rumored) 70,000 inhabited. If you think finding targets in EvE is hard, try doing that in Elite. Good luck actually finding real players. The game is designed from a single-player perspective, and the world is populated, but by NPCs, taking role of local security, trade haulers, bounty hunters and pirates: all NPCs. * Next comes the instancing. Here it is quite similar to Star Citizen, and works more like an FPS rather than an MMO. You connect to a server/instance/island, and that server/instance/island can only hold 32 other players (NPCs don't count), like an FPS server being full. I understand it's a necessary evil for performance reasons, but both SC and ED leave much unanswered here. This is one of those things that I will mark as "let's see how it works". However, here is my view at it now. Want a "fair" fight? Get 16 people into group, and look for like minded group on some instance. Want to blob? Get a 25-player group and find unsuspecting few people. Want to never ever worry about risk of other players? Get a 32-player group, and your instance will be "full" to anyone else. But wait, there are "better" ways to avoid people. * I am willing to see how the instancing works out, however what I am not willing to accept is the ability to "escape" from an instance simply by loading another. So you jump to a station, in your hauler with no weapons, and there is a combat blockade. What do you do? Do you take responsibility for your stupid actions of flying un-escorted and unarmed into what amounts to be a 0.0 system? Nope, you simply jump out and jump back in, and you would have loaded a different instance, which may or may not have the enemy blockade. Avoiding risk by one-step-short-of-logout. But wait, like I said, there are "better" ways to avoid people. * Solo online mode. If you think that everything upto here doesn't really break the "MMO Open Sandbox" part, wait till you hear this. You, at will, can go "Solo", which means you will never see another player, nor will they see you. You still play in the same Universe, but in some kind of "shifted phase", so you don't interact with anyone. Imagine playing EvE, seeing local spike, and just flipping "I am invisible" mode and continuing on your merry business. This is not a "Solo server". This is not a "solo character". This is a "flip-of-a-switch-leave-me-alone" solo mode, that retains all your progress, but allows you to play risk-free, and once you've made enough money to go back to "open world", and then run away to "solo" again. * No market economy. Economy? What economy? There is endless credits faucet with no sinks. By from NPC orders, sell to NPC orders. Instant profit (no time to wait for the order to be sold). And they've made it clear that actions of a single player will never affect the economy prices. Only when a large percentage of population trades a commodity would it's price be shifted. "Dynamic player influenced economy" my ass. * No territorial control. All that space, and you can't even block an entrance to the station cause [see instancing]. So, with everyone doing all the credits grind risk-free in solo/private-group modes, and people only jumping to "open world" mode for PvP, there won't be half the advertised game content (pirates, bounty hunters, mercenaries, security, unknown dangerous space ahead). It will be a single-player/co-op game, with a PvP arena. OP is a lunatic to say "Elite is everything EvE should have been". That only works if you expected EvE to be a single-player flight-sim. There is no "MMO" in Elite Dangerous. It is a single-player game with a multi-player option Dangerous? Ha. Harmless! I think that you got instances wrong, as there is a single persistent universe for all instances. But anyway, you just proved that the 10% of spacesimmers who love EVE's merits may not love Elite's, which leaves poor David Braben with merely 90% of the market pie to scoop some profits from. You know, nobody is interested to develop Dungbeetles Online 2 to compete with the original Dungbeetles Online. Every game called to be great is not going to be like Dungbeetles Online as DO is a niche game only suit for beetles who love dung. And the other little beetles, well, they just love stuff like plant juices... and happen to be extremey abundant and succesful. Unlike dung beetles. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved 74	Posted - 2014.09.17 06:25:00 - [75] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: I think that you got instances wrong, as there is a single persistent universe for all instances Try again. Research the famously quoted "DDA", like that's some fraking gold bible, on how they say it will work. The only thing that's persistent is your character and your cash. When you are not in station, hyperjump, or supercruise, you are loaded into an instance of 32 players max. Don't like who you've been paired up with, change session and you may get another instance with different set of players. They are "persistent" through the universe, but you will only see a max of 32 other players around you. And I am not talking about "seeing ship models" here, you won't be aware of the existence of the other 32 players from other instances at all. Similarly, when you play "Solo-group", "private-group", or "all-group", it's the same character/cash/universe, but you can basically decide (upon session change), to be playing completely alone, in the same solar system in the "persistent universe" as others who are playing in another instance with 32 players. Imagine going to Jita, but seeing nothing but customs officers and rats, yet having all the same market orders. Not that it would matter in ED, as there is no player market. Oh and did you know that 95% of statistics are made up on the spot
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 2824	Posted - 2014.09.17 07:11:00 - [76] - Quote Elite dangerous makes you play in a simulated environment, just like its predecesors, MMOS have been developed to avoid the simulation and add the real, social, massive factor. There are people that like to play multiplayer in largely simulated world, and there are people that like to play agains other people. The same as there are all dung beetles but with taste for a different kind of dung. The idea here, to put it in graphic terms for once, is to turn s**t into gold. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 8236	Posted - 2014.09.17 14:26:00 - [77] - Quote hydraSlav wrote: * Solo online mode. If you think that everything upto here doesn't really break the "MMO Open Sandbox" part, wait till you hear this. You, at will, can go "Solo", which means you will never see another player, nor will they see you. You still play in the same Universe, but in some kind of "shifted phase", so you don't interact with anyone. Imagine playing EvE, seeing local spike, and just flipping "I am invisible" mode and continuing on your merry business. This is not a "Solo server". This is not a "solo character". This is a "flip-of-a-switch-leave-me-alone" solo mode, that retains all your progress, but allows you to play risk-free, and once you've made enough money to go back to "open world", and then run away to "solo" again. That is without a doubt the most horrible thing I've ever heard of in a game.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence 638	Posted - 2014.09.17 14:47:00 - [78] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: hydraSlav wrote: * Solo online mode. If you think that everything upto here doesn't really break the "MMO Open Sandbox" part, wait till you hear this. You, at will, can go "Solo", which means you will never see another player, nor will they see you. You still play in the same Universe, but in some kind of "shifted phase", so you don't interact with anyone. Imagine playing EvE, seeing local spike, and just flipping "I am invisible" mode and continuing on your merry business. This is not a "Solo server". This is not a "solo character". This is a "flip-of-a-switch-leave-me-alone" solo mode, that retains all your progress, but allows you to play risk-free, and once you've made enough money to go back to "open world", and then run away to "solo" again. That is without a doubt the most horrible thing I've ever heard of in a game. I don't think of Elite as an MMO, never have. Just an old school Elite with multiplayer options, that's all it is. If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved 76	Posted - 2014.09.18 00:35:00 - [79] - Quote Reiisha wrote: I don't think of Elite as an MMO, never have. Just an old school Elite with multiplayer options, that's all it is. Unfortunately, the marketing material calls it "MMO" and a lot of people will buy it for its false pretense (like I did), hence my warning. Doesn't help when people like the OP come here and preach that it's everything that EvE should have been. In fact, it's everything that EvE isn't (including the forum population of selfish anti-social single-player carebears that have been rejected from every possible multi-player community). Totally different, with the only common part being "space theme". There is room for both, absolutely. P.S. get this: saying "carebears" there will get your post removed and a warning issued. Yet they spew "griefer" at anyone that even thinks of interacting (i.e. shooting) with another player.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 5337	Posted - 2014.09.18 02:52:00 - [80] - Quote Kairavi Mrithyakara wrote: raven666wings wrote: I wondered how was EVE preparing to face the might of David Braben's latest work on the Elite series. But then I looked at EVE's latest patch pictures and I saw what they did there! These new mobile structures, the Mobile Depot and the Mobile Siphon Unit... where have I seen this kind of design? Maybe in some of Elite: Dangerous ships like the Sidewinder, the Viper or even the Cobra??? What about the new ISIS guide? Wait a minute... I think I've seen something from Elite: Dangerous like that aswell... was it the starmap? Yes, I remember it now! raven666wings wrote: This attempt to clone Elite:Dangerous assets comes as another sign of serious confidence loss within CCP's direction... Are those entirely original designs on part of E:D, the sort that have never been seen before in sci-fi? raven666wings wrote: Will this game kill EVE Other games of similar style/genre release, every now and then. People go to take a look at these other games, some of them possibly don't return. It is a consequence of video games being a prosperous industry. I wonder why the announcement of yet another sci-fi game automatically entails asking "will New Eden die now?" I have been playing Elite since the initial Alpha release. His comparisons are ridiculous, he's either trolling or being intentionally obtuse for other reasons, but I don't know how anyone could be that stupid. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5465	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:58:00 - [81] - Quote hydraSlav wrote: * Solo online mode. If you think that everything upto here doesn't really break the "MMO Open Sandbox" part, wait till you hear this. You, at will, can go "Solo", which means you will never see another player, nor will they see you. You still play in the same Universe, but in some kind of "shifted phase", so you don't interact with anyone. Imagine playing EvE, seeing local spike, and just flipping "I am invisible" mode and continuing on your merry business. This is not a "Solo server". This is not a "solo character". This is a "flip-of-a-switch-leave-me-alone" solo mode, that retains all your progress, but allows you to play risk-free, and once you've made enough money to go back to "open world", and then run away to "solo" again. An "I am invisible" switch - like a cloaking device with no local? If CCP wants Eve to be immune to ED, all they have to do is let every ship dial in a Point A to Point B warp like we see them do in Star Trek, Star Wars (etc.). Bring back DEEEEP Space!
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved 77	Posted - 2014.09.18 16:15:00 - [82] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: An "I am invisible" switch - like a cloaking device with no local? When you go "Solo" mode (which can be enabled at login, in station, or between warps), you are literally playing on a Solo session. You don't see other human players, other human players don't see you. But you still experience the "persistent universe", as in the price of commodity you see in station is the same as other players see, or the political status of the region is same as others observe it. It's important to realize that a "different session" is like playing on a different FPS server (password protected to allow only you). Each session (solo, or even the 32-player online session), gets it's own copy of NPCs even. So, playing Solo you won't see NPCs suddenly explode cause some non-solo player killed them. The NPCs you see are local to your session.
Mirime Nolwe Mantra of Pain 101	Posted - 2014.10.17 09:30:40 - [83] - Quote The game beta it's very promising, the game have a lot of potential.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2560	Posted - 2014.10.17 15:13:24 - [84] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Yes. Elite:D will definitely kill Eve...just like X:Rebirth did. Don't forget STO ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 8723	Posted - 2014.10.17 17:33:29 - [85] - Quote flakeys wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Yes. Elite:D will definitely kill Eve...just like X:Rebirth did. Don't forget STO ... And Black Prophecy, and Jumpgate, and SWG, and SWTOR and others. All games set in space. The people who predict a game will kill EVE aren't people who understand (or enjoy) what EVE is and what it has to offer. Mainly they are people who play EVE because they like space or space ships or the future (ie 'the subject matter of the game) but dislike the specifics of EVE. This is why NO ONE is happier than me to see Elite and Star Citizen and even Phoenix, so the space shooter guys have where to ~~F off~~ go to.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3141	Posted - 2014.10.17 18:45:16 - [86] - Quote Nevermind... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Captain Tardbar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1124	Posted - 2014.10.18 00:01:50 - [87] - Quote I didn't hear about Elite:Dangerous until rather recently, but the Oculus Rift community has jumped on it because it is the best Oculus Rift experience so far. What Elite:Dangerous is... Its an open world (perhaps open universe would be a better term) world that is basically a hard core game much like its early versions of its game in 1984. It hopes to emulate millions of star systems in the final release. It focuses heavily on combat, trading, smuggling, and various other enterprises worthy of its name. Let me tell you about what Elite:Dangerous is now.... You can buy the beta version of the game for $75 US dollars. Although unfinished, if they had to release it today it would be worth getting. It is a space sim. Though sadly it still doesn't have full blow Newtonian physics (well neither does Star Citizen). Currently there are hundreds of systems. Some governed and some with anarchy. That said, the police are not immortal and people in game have been known til kill a great deal of security vessels just because they interfered with them getting bounties off criminals (or they shot each other by accident). In effect there is no concord. There are bounties, but because law enforcement is by system, it is rather easy to escape punishment for blowing up someone's ship. In anarchy systems, the stations won't lift a finger if you shoot other players docking as long as you don't hit the station. The combat is good. I didn't play SC's arena commander but the combat was somewhat boring looking on twitch streams. ED's on the other hand is very exciting because of ship and shield management as well as weapon configurations. Its much more interesting than EVEs lock and push F1. Also, it is easier to lose all your stuff in ED than in EVE. Yes, this is a big statement, but I have on occasion hit boost button and flew into the station I was in loosing all my cargo and ship in the process. There is insurance, but its done afterwards (some say this is a problem) the death so if you don't have enough money to cover the loss then you are up the proverbial poop creek. One of the new problems is that people are getting the newb ships and ramming other players who have weak ships while hauling cargo causing both players to lose their ships but since the newb ships are freely replaced then well... Now before you go out and spend those $75 let me advise. What ED is not.... ED is not a very social game. Communications are difficult for a reason. Currently you cannot trade directly (players get around this by buying expensive goods and eject them near stations with black markets used for smuggling goods). The chat functions are non-existant and lord help you if you try to try to talk to someone before shooting them. ED is not massive in number of players you expect to interact with. It uses peer to peer network code allowing for 16-32 players in a sessions. Yes, if you fly to Freeport (anarchy system) you will get shot at and have targets to shoot at (especially smugglers trying to sneak in with stolen gold). So no. There will not be massive fleet fights in EVE. IMO this is forgivable because I never enjoyed massive fleet fights with TIDI taking 5 minutes to do anything. Also there are going to be so many star systems that if you fly away from the core systems you may not run into any players (there will be NPCs making it an alive universe). Also the economy is currently NPC based. Goods are manufactures by planets, bought buy players, and sold back to the NPCs. This may change when players get storage (it will change with mining at least). But the design documents are rather unclear if there will be player manufacturing. Anyways... What this wall of text is about is. ED is almost a finish game. You can get it now if you want. I believe EVE players will flock to it rather than Star Citizen (because you can get it now and its more open to bad behavior). Now CCP is going to counter this with Valkyrie but thats not EVE. It has Oculus Rift support (which is great), but it still leaves EVE without OR support. Once you have ED you can forget about having to grind for PLEX or pay for monthly subscriptions. Even if you have 50% as much fun in ED, it is still worth it. Also the design documents are rather glorious. ED is releasing mining on October 28th and it will be much more interactive than EVE's system where you have to knock chunks off the asteroids and then catch it with your cargo scoop on your ship. Well don't take my word for it, go check the ED streams on Twitch or the Youtube videos... Its shaping up to be a very excellent game. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
Captain Tardbar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1124	Posted - 2014.10.18 00:28:23 - [88] - Quote Also, I would like to point out that ED is far superior to Star Trek online and X-Rebirth so this time its different. I mean Star Trek online is really only good if you like Star Trek lore, otherwise its a mediocre space game. X-Rebirth wasn't that great either. It just happened to have walking in stations. The clincher is that ED has Oculus Rift support which makes it vastly superior to most other games in its genre. Star Citizen is supposed to get it but right now it doesn't have it working which is why I am playing ED and not SC. Well there is Valkyrie but its not EVE. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 753	Posted - 2014.10.20 15:21:27 - [89] - Quote Didnt try it yet looks interesting. Comparison w x_r is strange it is single player game and by order of magnitude the weakest release of x series. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
Valok Morr State War Academy Caldari State 70	Posted - 2014.10.21 09:12:55 - [90] - Quote I'll most likely play both. And also Star Citizen if it doesn't end up being the biggest scam in the game industry history.

Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 342	Posted - 2014.10.24 18:00:44 - [91] - Quote Newsletter 46 is out. More info for beta3, another Elite book and some more information about the premier event. [url]http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=73dca87078[/url] dropship http://imgur.com/5atnCuE.jpg laser effects http://i.imgur.com/jGWtoNL.jpg an imperial ship http://imgur.com/klJByOc.jpg mining http://imgur.com/HP3Omnt.jpg (for the observant ones, thats a warp scrambler/disruptor) http://imgur.com/5xtcN7r.jpg also, the latest pic of the week, showing the Messier 78 nebula. http://imgur.com/dx9V1X2.jpg Moreover, the frontier forums have been updated today. [url]https://forums.frontier.co.uk/index.php[/url] Lastly, some content from the current beta. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BgvGLptN18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92HyOQ3bgh8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjKLobNgaSY http://imgur.com/mCcrme1.jpg http://imgur.com/xd2Ax17.jpg http://imgur.com/uVrgYrx.jpg http://imgur.com/nBiWIdS.jpg http://imgur.com/5dCJDbB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rty83dp.jpg http://imgur.com/zCHIZ6y.jpg http://imgur.com/QWDSsf6.jpg http://imgur.com/yVKSdsp.jpg http://imgur.com/Yiy5OPc.jpg http://imgur.com/LMaWKzN.jpg http://imgur.com/FuEMBjN.jpg http://imgur.com/O2qrhuV.jpg http://imgur.com/V75gL9X.jpg http://imgur.com/0jaMNNm.jpg http://imgur.com/INYs85k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TZCZgPY.jpg http://imgur.com/oHUG29C.jpg http://imgur.com/vVn8BFE.jpg http://imgur.com/u8F5LUs.jpg
John Arkarel United Nations Military Command 0	Posted - 2014.10.28 01:35:22 - [92] - Quote Alright this is really the first time I have posted on the forums at all but after seeing all these "X game will kill eve" posts I can't stop myself. I own ED and played it while I was on a break from eve and after a week of while yes cool gameplay it just made me miss eve. I have now stopped playing ED for all intensive purposes and switched back to eve for a ton of reasons. Honestly neither ED or SC will even touch eve at all.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 342	Posted - 2014.10.28 08:04:17 - [93] - Quote John Arkarel wrote: Alright this is really the first time I have posted on the forums at all but after seeing all these "X game will kill eve" posts I can't stop myself. I own ED and played it while I was on a break from eve and after a week of while yes cool gameplay it just made me miss eve. I have now stopped playing ED for all intensive purposes and switched back to eve for a ton of reasons. Honestly neither ED or SC will even touch eve at all. The thread title is a little controversial indeed. I opened this some time ago to address that, but it got closed as a duplicate. T_T Anyway... A nice panorama from Hyperion 5. http://herlandgraphic.com/panorama/ed-aspexplorer-hyperion.swf And some last screenshots from beta2, hopefully we will have our hands full with beta3 later today..C: http://imgur.com/ZzJYdY3.png http://imgur.com/jFSWI28.png http://imgur.com/Ri918py.jpg http://imgur.com/7jVy8UV.jpg http://imgur.com/sk2XC2H.jpg http://imgur.com/Hc8hBCE.png http://imgur.com/1uBGlt3.png http://imgur.com/f1cojAR.png http://imgur.com/SWEXLy4.jpg http://imgur.com/N4A4sjd.png http://imgur.com/hkc79zt.jpg http://imgur.com/afjcvCp.jpg
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3154	Posted - 2014.10.28 09:23:08 - [94] - Quote John Arkarel wrote: Alright this is really the first time I have posted on the forums at all but after seeing all these "X game will kill eve" posts I can't stop myself. I own ED and played it while I was on a break from eve and after a week of while yes cool gameplay it just made me miss eve. I have now stopped playing ED for all intensive purposes and switched back to eve for a ton of reasons. Honestly neither ED or SC will even touch eve at all. E:D is uncharted territory, literally. You need to explore it and ask yourself "can I do X?" and try doing it, or figure a way to do it. That's something the average EVE player never experienced, and those who did it, was a decade ago. It's a brand new sandbox, and with each beta it grows bigger and better. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 342	Posted - 2014.10.28 19:23:01 - [95] - Quote Incoming! http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52288
DaReaper Net 7 1162	Posted - 2014.10.28 19:34:56 - [96] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: I didn't hear about Elite:Dangerous until rather recently, but the Oculus Rift community has jumped on it because it is the best Oculus Rift experience so far. What Elite:Dangerous is... Its an open world (perhaps open universe would be a better term) world that is basically a hard core game much like its early versions of its game in 1984. It hopes to emulate millions of star systems in the final release. It focuses heavily on combat, trading, smuggling, and various other enterprises worthy of its name. Let me tell you about what Elite:Dangerous is now.... You can buy the beta version of the game for $75 US dollars. Although unfinished, if they had to release it today it would be worth getting. It is a space sim. Though sadly it still doesn't have full blow Newtonian physics (well neither does Star Citizen). Currently there are hundreds of systems. Some governed and some with anarchy. That said, the police are not immortal and people in game have been known til kill a great deal of security vessels just because they interfered with them getting bounties off criminals (or they shot each other by accident). In effect there is no concord. There are bounties, but because law enforcement is by system, it is rather easy to escape punishment for blowing up someone's ship. In anarchy systems, the stations won't lift a finger if you shoot other players docking as long as you don't hit the station. The combat is good. I didn't play SC's arena commander but the combat was somewhat boring looking on twitch streams. ED's on the other hand is very exciting because of ship and shield management as well as weapon configurations. Its much more interesting than EVEs lock and push F1. Also, it is easier to lose all your stuff in ED than in EVE. Yes, this is a big statement, but I have on occasion hit boost button and flew into the station I was in loosing all my cargo and ship in the process. There is insurance, but its done afterwards (some say this is a problem) the death so if you don't have enough money to cover the loss then you are up the proverbial poop creek. One of the new problems is that people are getting the newb ships and ramming other players who have weak ships while hauling cargo causing both players to lose their ships but since the newb ships are freely replaced then well... Now before you go out and spend those $75 let me advise. What ED is not.... ED is not a very social game. Communications are difficult for a reason. Currently you cannot trade directly (players get around this by buying expensive goods and eject them near stations with black markets used for smuggling goods). The chat functions are non-existant and lord help you if you try to try to talk to someone before shooting them. ED is not massive in number of players you expect to interact with. It uses peer to peer network code allowing for 16-32 players in a sessions. Yes, if you fly to Freeport (anarchy system) you will get shot at and have targets to shoot at (especially smugglers trying to sneak in with stolen gold). So no. There will not be massive fleet fights in EVE. IMO this is forgivable because I never enjoyed massive fleet fights with TIDI taking 5 minutes to do anything. Also there are going to be so many star systems that if you fly away from the core systems you may not run into any players (there will be NPCs making it an alive universe). Also the economy is currently NPC based. Goods are manufactures by planets, bought buy players, and sold back to the NPCs. This may change when players get storage (it will change with mining at least). But the design documents are rather unclear if there will be player manufacturing. Anyways... What this wall of text is about is. ED is almost a finish game. You can get it now if you want. I believe EVE players will flock to it rather than Star Citizen (because you can get it now and its more open to bad behavior). Now CCP is going to counter this with Valkyrie but thats not EVE. It has Oculus Rift support (which is great), but it still leaves EVE without OR support. Once you have ED you can forget about having to grind for PLEX or pay for monthly subscriptions. Even if you have 50% as much fun in ED, it is still worth it. Also the design documents are rather glorious. ED is releasing mining on October 28th and it will be much more interactive than EVE's system where you have to knock chunks off the asteroids and then catch it with your cargo scoop on your ship. Well don't take my word for it, go check the ED streams on Twitch or the Youtube videos... Its shaping up to be a very excellent game. Consitering how eve players whined about loot spew, the mining mechanic sounds like a pita. Also if ED is FTP then you can play both eve and ED with no issues. Esp with the unlimited queue, set a bunch of skills, play ED for a week, come pack to new stuff in eve. shrugs OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 342	Posted - 2014.10.31 18:40:14 - [97] - Quote And the latest newsletter is out. Beta stops at the 22nd of November! http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=ed3d21f568 and a nice ice moon to go with that.. http://imgur.com/Baf72ut.jpg
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 84162	Posted - 2014.10.31 19:20:20 - [98] - Quote That ice moon is actually pretty impressive. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 343	Posted - 2014.11.01 21:32:25 - [99] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: That ice moon is actually pretty impressive. Yeah, celestial objects are getting better and better with each iteration. The plan in the future (a year or so after release I suppose) is to extend the LoD down to the ground level, and enable freeform atmospheric flying and FPS exploration. If they do manage it, it will be great imo. Especially since everything is in 1:1 scale. Some more images of celestial objects etc from the beta... https://i.imgur.com/LzfXoVw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tmZA9Gh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UuRTgOB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/w4eDk3P.png https://i.imgur.com/h3dip8m.png https://i.imgur.com/BkYtrey.png https://i.imgur.com/Yt3g5au.png https://i.imgur.com/IMlMxSY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QkYNNK7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TO5h7MN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wtQreuj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/CkBz8fs.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RTOl5mW.png https://i.imgur.com/M2TW42C.png https://i.imgur.com/jrcf171.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Nm2NhK4.png https://i.imgur.com/g8QO7QK.png https://i.imgur.com/vmg1hUK.png https://i.imgur.com/57S5D47.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GbriML8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8R3VZHr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yDAW3ud.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2gbmgNE.png https://i.imgur.com/Vrh675J.png https://i.imgur.com/elkHnZ1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mymG33t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4tJDNxT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KUqiA2O.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zvmjo2O.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WcVOQIR.png https://i.imgur.com/nKjMlqQ.png https://i.imgur.com/dSnWKQB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4b01CIt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0wTbhFX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/icTWejm.jpg
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 84363	Posted - 2014.11.02 04:55:25 - [100] - Quote Damn, that makes me wish eve looked that good. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub

Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 343	Posted - 2014.11.07 19:02:58 - [101] - Quote Release date announced. 16th of December. http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=721f168fd0 Also, a pretty cool video about their development plan after release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yd-m9AR7mY
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 100	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:41:07 - [102] - Quote raven666wings wrote: I wondered how was EVE preparing to face the might of David Braben's latest work on the Elite series. But then I looked at EVE's latest patch pictures and I saw what they did there! These new mobile structures, the Mobile Depot and the Mobile Siphon Unit... where have I seen this kind of design? Maybe in some of Elite: Dangerous ships like the Sidewinder, the Viper or even the Cobra??? What about the new ISIS guide? Wait a minute... I think I've seen something from Elite: Dangerous like that aswell... was it the starmap? Yes, I remember it now! Omg, even EVE's website front page now has a yellow button like the Elite: Dangerous' site and it's new store! ED webmasters even had to change their button's color to orange to stay original! This attempt to clone Elite:Dangerous assets comes as another sign of serious confidence loss within CCP's direction, despite claims made by its CEO in this interview, where he states that "It's easy to go and look at all the new shiny things that are coming but we don't want to be doing that. We want to stick to our guns". It's somewhat understandable that CCP's stakeholders might be afraid to lose costumers to a game like Elite, the godfather of space trading and combat simulators and a pioneer in 3d computer graphics and procedural generation, that served as role model for EVE Online itself aswell as other games like Wing Commander and Freelancer. ED's early backer rewards program has recently closed with over 40.000 backers donating over -ú2 million pounds of crowdfunding swag. The alpha build is now live. (If you aren't lucky enough to be one of the backers with Alpha build access, you can check this twitch feed for streamers.) Open world sandbox and space simulation fans are highly optimistic about the game and anxious to get their hands on the final release. And it's not for less. The game is looking gorgeous and will give players the freedom to roam/resource gather/trade/pirate/fight in more than 100 billion procedurally generated star systems (including our own) with moving celestials, real 1:1 scale and physics. Oculus Rift support is currently working on the alpha build, future expansions confirmed by Braben include avatar gameplay, atmospheric entry and planet landing/exploration. The game will have no monthly fees but they do plan on charging for these expansions. Early backers who funded -ú80 or more will have free access to all of them, besides the satisfaction of knowing they helped once more to kick big publishers in the nuts with another epic crowdfunded project Will this game kill EVE? Will we abandon New Eden forever? Of course not, but it will surely hurt CCP's finances, not only by attracting a lot of its current playerbase but also by offering a fresh and high quality game to the space sandbox MMO genre newcomers. EVE could be top dog in the industry by offering a top quality product to the players, but CCP decided to pursue other ventures and is now playing catch-up with its new competition. Care to share your thoughts? Do you remember all the avatar based trailers ccp brought out to compete with x afterbirth. They even brought the date of the expansion forward to compete with egosofts launch date. An online mmo competing with an offline single player game. It was a new low for ccp. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 87001	Posted - 2014.11.10 07:02:25 - [103] - Quote Upgraded my preorder to the beta a few days ago due to boredom. Very impressed with the game, the visuals and sound are amazing. The controls for my hotas feel very good and natural once I got it programmed to my liking. The 1:1 scale of space is amazing, space actually feels HUGE. Combat seems pretty interesting. I just got an Eagle with some upgraded guns that I plan on playing around with tomorrow to explore combat some more. Only thing I can think of right now that would really like to see is a 3d map of local star system in addition to the one that in already in place. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 4830	Posted - 2014.11.10 08:24:53 - [104] - Quote The thing that amuses me the most is people on General Discussion threatening to leave EVE for Elite: Dangeorus when it comes out because EVE is becoming "too carebear friendly" (which is nonsense anyway, the exact opposite is happening). If you read what Elite: Dangerous' developers are saying in their interviews, they're coding "anti-griefing" mechanics right into the game and using the beta to test that they work. Mane 614
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 87056	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:28:53 - [105] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: The thing that amuses me the most is people on General Discussion threatening to leave EVE for Elite: Dangeorus when it comes out because EVE is becoming "too carebear friendly" (which is nonsense anyway, the exact opposite is happening). If you read what Elite: Dangerous' developers are saying in their interviews, they're coding "anti-griefing" mechanics right into the game and using the beta to test that they work. Anti-Greifing aside... It's still a fun game *in addition to EvE*. Sometimes I just want to have something where you don't have to constantly keep your guard up and be able relax a bit. And solo mode is great for when I'm feeling anti-social. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 4836	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:51:20 - [106] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Anti-Greifing aside... It's still a fun game *in addition to EvE*. Sometimes I just want to have something where you don't have to constantly keep your guard up and be able relax a bit. And solo mode is great for when I'm feeling anti-social. Oh no! I absolutely agree. I'm just amused by the people throwing a tantrum over the (nonexistant) "softening" of EVE by threatening to ditch it for Elite, without realising they're not going to get what they want if they do that. Mane 614
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 8262	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:41:42 - [107] - Quote Finally went and joined Beta3, and im surprised how well its runs on my Aspire 8920G (saving for supadupa rig) on low settings. Cant land worth a damn, but its got me hooked. It wont replace EVE, not for me anyway, but i am looking forward to it. I like Honey. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 12720	Posted - 2014.11.10 20:49:32 - [108] - Quote I've never had so much fun undocking and then re-docking I did the first tutorial like 7 times. Bacon makes us stronger
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 8272	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:31:35 - [109] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: I've never had so much fun undocking and then re-docking I did the first tutorial like 7 times. I just lost what little profit i made, by trying to dock without permission, i lost a ship, got fined and now owe more than i have. Was just about to try combat zone to grab some bounties, when i lost connection to server. Still hooked. I like Jelly. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 123	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:25:28 - [110] - Quote What happens when you die. Do you just re spawn or is there a clone mechanic like in eve. I will give ED a try but I won't leave eve. The game mechanics are totally different. I'm getting too old to be good at twitch based gaming. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 87333	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:28:45 - [111] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: What happens when you die. Do you just re spawn or is there a clone mechanic like in eve. I will give ED a try but I won't leave eve. The game mechanics are totally different. I'm getting too old to be good at twitch based gaming. You just pay a little bit to get your ship and equipment back, I think cargo is lost too but I have not died with cargo yet so I can't tell you for sure. It's not extremely twitchy like a FPS though. I would say good piloting/maneuvering skills are better to have than reaction time. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 124	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:37:46 - [112] - Quote Do you also create a character/avatar like in eve? As I've heard that it was built with avatars in mind. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 87337	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:51:07 - [113] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Do you also create a character/avatar like in eve? As I've heard that it was built with avatars in mind. No, but they said they want to do walking in stations and planetary landings. I guess the avatar thing might happen when they do the walking in station stuff. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate 1242	Posted - 2014.11.11 08:06:36 - [114] - Quote Who wants to wager how well the goons break the game? If you remember when Star Trek online came out, there was a 200 page anti goon post in there and the devs reassured all of its players that there would be no griefing and goons would not be able to grief. Well if you want to know what happened, go check out the starfleet dental videos. Im sure when Elite dangerous comes out that goons will find a way to drive everyone away with some spectacular and hilarious videos. Why Can't I have a picture signature. Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 344	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:28:59 - [115] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: I've never had so much fun undocking and then re-docking I did the first tutorial like 7 times. Its very fun indeed. Also, although I have done it about a thousand times by now, I really cannot get bored by it. I think that the game conditions us to feel that this mundane task is a necessity, not a chore. ymmv though.. One the other hand, the amount of rage that this simple mechanic incurs when you are not careful is majestic, to say the least..things like boosting into the station outer wall, forgetting your landing gear, rebinding your HOTAS and forgetting something, trying to land in an unassigned slot or launching with your throttle @maximum thrust are staples of the game. XD a pretty good example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYPtigdFxnA
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 87648	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:17:18 - [116] - Quote Obsidian Hawk wrote: Who wants to wager how well the goons break the game? If you remember when Star Trek online came out, there was a 200 page anti goon post in there and the devs reassured all of its players that there would be no griefing and goons would not be able to grief. Well if you want to know what happened, go check out the starfleet dental videos. Im sure when Elite dangerous comes out that goons will find a way to drive everyone away with some spectacular and hilarious videos. I dunno, you tell me? Kinda hard for us to break the game when there is a Solo mode. Also we have yet to drive everyone away from EvE. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 87648	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:18:23 - [117] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: Carmen Electra wrote: I've never had so much fun undocking and then re-docking I did the first tutorial like 7 times. Its very fun indeed. Also, although I have done it about a thousand times by now, I really cannot get bored by it. I think that the game conditions us to feel that this mundane task is a necessity, not a chore. ymmv though.. One the other hand, the amount of rage that this simple mechanic incurs when you are not careful is majestic, to say the least..things like boosting into the station outer wall, forgetting your landing gear, rebinding your HOTAS and forgetting something, trying to land in an unassigned slot or launching with your throttle @maximum thrust are staples of the game. XD a pretty good example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYPtigdFxnA and how you can take advantage of it after some practice... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLBon8U1Ez0 You mean I'm not suppose to fly through the hole at 200+ m/s ? I have yet to crash. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 344	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:28:18 - [118] - Quote Damn you Altais system, why so pretty? http://www.elitegalaxy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Altais1.jpg http://www.elitegalaxy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/rock_and_a_hot_place.jpg Also, some more from the Beta (just upgading to beta 3.05 btw) http://i.imgur.com/zg4V7Nk.png http://i.imgur.com/KTS9tHG.png http://i.imgur.com/HzheIfQ.png http://i.imgur.com/rJDvRSN.png http://i.imgur.com/FN9zJo1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6mJTIeq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5MjVXWD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/c74rp5g.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t9l05lZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YoyaNGM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BPFpBvj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wki60aA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9SQA7n2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/P1PfplX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TrKPftd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WD1jAqA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1CWckSS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FrDY0vw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/83tTtI8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xYKyxWr.jpg
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3247	Posted - 2014.11.11 20:10:48 - [119] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Obsidian Hawk wrote: Who wants to wager how well the goons break the game? If you remember when Star Trek online came out, there was a 200 page anti goon post in there and the devs reassured all of its players that there would be no griefing and goons would not be able to grief. Well if you want to know what happened, go check out the starfleet dental videos. Im sure when Elite dangerous comes out that goons will find a way to drive everyone away with some spectacular and hilarious videos. I dunno, you tell me? Kinda hard for us to break the game when there is a Solo mode. Also we have yet to drive everyone away from EvE. Guess it's the right time to say this. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 87681	Posted - 2014.11.11 20:15:18 - [120] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: Obsidian Hawk wrote: Who wants to wager how well the goons break the game? If you remember when Star Trek online came out, there was a 200 page anti goon post in there and the devs reassured all of its players that there would be no griefing and goons would not be able to grief. Well if you want to know what happened, go check out the starfleet dental videos. Im sure when Elite dangerous comes out that goons will find a way to drive everyone away with some spectacular and hilarious videos. I dunno, you tell me? Kinda hard for us to break the game when there is a Solo mode. Also we have yet to drive everyone away from EvE. Guess it's the right time to say this. Not really, I still like cake and all the things. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub

Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 125	Posted - 2014.11.11 23:57:37 - [121] - Quote Freakdevil wrote: I welcome the addition of any new space game as it boosts interest in EVE and the space genre. Personally I haven't followed the game's development but you have peaked my interest. If Elite could copy EVE's economy and territory system, eliminate the gate camping and provide combat like X3 then yes it would or at least could severely impact EVE. But can or will it do that? I would love to see it try. I would love to see any game try. Been waiting for years for that. I can't see that being a problem, as the origin elite game in the 80's did all of the above, though due to the limitations of technology back then it was single player. In many ways eve is a direct successor of elite. Elite was the game I was looking for in spirit when I signed up for eve back in 2007, so Elite is a big deal for me. Also with a small budget, they've delivered a playable game for the beta. Everyone is still waiting for star citizen which is heading in the right direction to be the world's most expensive vapour ware, so well done to the people over at ED. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 125	Posted - 2014.11.12 00:03:50 - [122] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: Damn you Altais system, why so pretty? http://www.elitegalaxy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Altais1.jpg http://www.elitegalaxy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/rock_and_a_hot_place.jpg Also, some more from the Beta (just upgading to beta 3.05 btw) http://i.imgur.com/zg4V7Nk.png http://i.imgur.com/KTS9tHG.png http://i.imgur.com/HzheIfQ.png http://i.imgur.com/rJDvRSN.png http://i.imgur.com/FN9zJo1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6mJTIeq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5MjVXWD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/c74rp5g.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t9l05lZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YoyaNGM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BPFpBvj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wki60aA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9SQA7n2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/P1PfplX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TrKPftd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WD1jAqA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1CWckSS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FrDY0vw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/83tTtI8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xYKyxWr.jpg Love the coriolis station pic. Space and planets look good, the sun's look good too. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3248	Posted - 2014.11.12 07:49:10 - [123] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Freakdevil wrote: I welcome the addition of any new space game as it boosts interest in EVE and the space genre. Personally I haven't followed the game's development but you have peaked my interest. If Elite could copy EVE's economy and territory system, eliminate the gate camping and provide combat like X3 then yes it would or at least could severely impact EVE. But can or will it do that? I would love to see it try. I would love to see any game try. Been waiting for years for that. I can't see that being a problem, as the origin elite game in the 80's did all of the above, though due to the limitations of technology back then it was single player. In many ways eve is a direct successor of elite. Elite was the game I was looking for in spirit when I signed up for eve back in 2007, so Elite is a big deal for me. Also with a small budget, they've delivered a playable game for the beta. Everyone is still waiting for star citizen which is heading in the right direction to be the world's most expensive vapour ware, so well done to the people over at ED. It doesn't hurt E:D that a sequel to Frontier was in development since 16 years ago... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 125	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:18:32 - [124] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Mharius Skjem wrote: Freakdevil wrote: I welcome the addition of any new space game as it boosts interest in EVE and the space genre. Personally I haven't followed the game's development but you have peaked my interest. If Elite could copy EVE's economy and territory system, eliminate the gate camping and provide combat like X3 then yes it would or at least could severely impact EVE. But can or will it do that? I would love to see it try. I would love to see any game try. Been waiting for years for that. I can't see that being a problem, as the origin elite game in the 80's did all of the above, though due to the limitations of technology back then it was single player. In many ways eve is a direct successor of elite. Elite was the game I was looking for in spirit when I signed up for eve back in 2007, so Elite is a big deal for me. Also with a small budget, they've delivered a playable game for the beta. Everyone is still waiting for star citizen which is heading in the right direction to be the world's most expensive vapour ware, so well done to the people over at ED. It doesn't hurt E:D that a sequel to Frontier was in development since 16 years ago... I think there was a legal battle that held everything up for quite a few years. Once that was settled Elite 4 was announced but it migrated into Elite Dangerous. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Kaaeliaa The Vendunari End of Life 28007	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:08:51 - [125] - Quote I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it. That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either. LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. Come back, Dusettes!
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3254	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:17:18 - [126] - Quote Kaaeliaa wrote: I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it. That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either. Oh yes, how do they dare to make a whole new MMO on a shoestring budget? Are they aware that they're developing a game whose universe dwarves that of EVE Online for something like 1 month worth of income for CCP? And they ask money for developing it? How indignant! The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Kaaeliaa The Vendunari End of Life 28007	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:41:45 - [127] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Kaaeliaa wrote: I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it. That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either. Oh yes, how do they dare to make a whole new MMO on a shoestring budget? Are they aware that they're developing a game whose universe dwarves that of EVE Online for something like 1 month worth of income for CCP? And they ask money for developing it? How indignant! A beta is for testing. You allow players to test because they're working for you, not the other way around. Charging them for the privilege of squashing bugs and dealing with constant shifting of gameplay elements is just inexcusably greedy. Then, you charge for the game when it's released. If it's good, people buy it and everyone wins. I don't know what the **** has become so difficult about this lately. LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. Come back, Dusettes!
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 88477	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:13:59 - [128] - Quote Kaaeliaa wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Kaaeliaa wrote: I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it. That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either. Oh yes, how do they dare to make a whole new MMO on a shoestring budget? Are they aware that they're developing a game whose universe dwarves that of EVE Online for something like 1 month worth of income for CCP? And they ask money for developing it? How indignant! A beta is for testing. You allow players to test because they're working for you, not the other way around. Charging them for the privilege of squashing bugs and dealing with constant shifting of gameplay elements is just inexcusably greedy. Then, you charge for the game when it's released. If it's good, people buy it and everyone wins. I don't know what the **** has become so difficult about this lately. Go pick on Star Citizen. Those are the greedy devs. But I do kinda agree it does fell like double dipping when they charge extra for a beta. I'd say just allow a preorder/kickstart backer to play the beta. That sounds pretty fair to me. Also Indah: I'd hardly call Elite a MMO. Also with Elites entire Galaxy It will probably feel quite empty while on multiplayer mode Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
DaReaper Net 7 1232	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:11:11 - [129] - Quote i have not researched but is ED going to be sharded or single server? OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 88529	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:53:03 - [130] - Quote DaReaper wrote: i have not researched but is ED going to be sharded or single server? Im not exactly sure how it works but all I know is that you don't have to choose a server. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub

Indahmawar Fazmarai 3259	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:06:33 - [131] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Also Indah: I'd hardly call Elite a MMO. Also with Elites entire Galaxy It will probably feel quite empty while on multiplayer mode "M" is for "Multiplayer", not "team playing" nor "swarm playing" or "herd playing". Multiplayer games enable to play with others, but that's not (should not be) mandatory. And yes, I am aware of what crowd I am preaching to here... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 88661	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:16:13 - [132] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: Also Indah: I'd hardly call Elite a MMO. Also with Elites entire Galaxy It will probably feel quite empty while on multiplayer mode "M" is for "Multiplayer", not "team playing" nor "swarm playing" or "herd playing". Multiplayer games enable to play with others, but that's not (should not be) mandatory. And yes, I am aware of what crowd I am preaching to here... I'll admit I have been playing Elite mostly on Solo mode but I have hopped onto multiplayer and Yarr'ed a few people. Also got blown up myself a few times. I guess the point I was trying to get across is that there is probably not gonna be large groups of people in the same spot like we see in EvE. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 126	Posted - 2014.11.15 19:41:02 - [133] - Quote Kaaeliaa wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Kaaeliaa wrote: I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it. That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either. Oh yes, how do they dare to make a whole new MMO on a shoestring budget? Are they aware that they're developing a game whose universe dwarves that of EVE Online for something like 1 month worth of income for CCP? And they ask money for developing it? How indignant! A beta is for testing. You allow players to test because they're working for you, not the other way around. Charging them for the privilege of squashing bugs and dealing with constant shifting of gameplay elements is just inexcusably greedy. Then, you charge for the game when it's released. If it's good, people buy it and everyone wins. I don't know what the **** has become so difficult about this lately. You do get ingame goodies for being a beta tester. Plus in the real world things cost money. I'd gladly pay CCP to beta test new features. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3269	Posted - 2014.11.15 19:55:53 - [134] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: Also Indah: I'd hardly call Elite a MMO. Also with Elites entire Galaxy It will probably feel quite empty while on multiplayer mode "M" is for "Multiplayer", not "team playing" nor "swarm playing" or "herd playing". Multiplayer games enable to play with others, but that's not (should not be) mandatory. And yes, I am aware of what crowd I am preaching to here... I'll admit I have been playing Elite mostly on Solo mode but I have hopped onto multiplayer and Yarr'ed a few people. Also got blown up myself a few times. Kinda had a hard time finding people though. I guess the point I was trying to get across is that there is probably not gonna be large groups of people in the same spot like we see in EvE. What concerns me mote about the real scale Milky Way is the effective range of exploration. Even while refueling as you go, at one point or another your cargohold will be full and the travel will end. Also, exploration at galactic scale rarely rewards in proportion to distance... but then i'm not the sightseeing kind so being the first to see this or that star really doesn't appeals to me. Probably I'll stick to colonized universe, but i'm considering to buy the beta thing because they added new perks and they're interesting... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 89854	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:29:38 - [135] - Quote Well I failed to realize I had a 30k bounty on my head in a certain starsystem and got blown up by the police while loosing about 80k credits worth of cargo. lol You can bet your cake I wont do that again... Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3271	Posted - 2014.11.15 21:13:06 - [136] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Well I failed to realize I had a 30k bounty on my head in a certain starsystem and got blown up by the police while loosing about 80k credits worth of cargo. lol You can bet your cake I wont do that again... Come on, don't they teach you the basics these days? The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Ian Morbius 145	Posted - 2014.11.15 21:52:26 - [137] - Quote This is great! "The title features both online and offline modes.," no wait a minute. Elite: Dangerous Offline Mode Dropped, Hit With Community Backlash "It appears that one feature mentioned in that campaign that wonGÇÖt be making it into the full title is an offline mode." Oh well,... the dream has ended. Now login. Death Valley & Mojave real world hardcore. www.acronymfinder.com
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 344	Posted - 2014.11.16 12:37:37 - [138] - Quote Ian Morbius wrote: This is great! "The title features both online and offline modes.," no wait a minute. Elite: Dangerous Offline Mode Dropped, Hit With Community Backlash "It appears that one feature mentioned in that campaign that wonGÇÖt be making it into the full title is an offline mode." Oh well,... the dream has ended. Now login. FDEV are making the best Elite game they can for an initial release after 2 years of development. To make the best Elite game, they need at least 4 years. They don't have the money for it (never did), so from the start they have split development to an initial release and then paid expansions (not horse armor DLC, full old school expansions) that will enhance and deepen the experience. The goal for the initial launch was always to have the basics in, and - most importantly - the canvas/platform to seamlessly and without code rewrites iterate on them and add additional feature sets. Thats one of the reasons that FDEV are hiring staff like mad 1 month before release instead of getting ready to sack a big portion of the ED team right after that. What they have delivered so far is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know about you, but putting on a good pair of headphones and using my HOTAS on this game provides a gameplay experience that I have not seen in years. And will only get better when I get my rift...XD Now, regarding the single player offline module. My biggest gripe with it is simply cutting out modding support completely from the game. I was looking forward to the (far) future for a different single player offline experience, with modded ships from FE2/FFE, an FE2 flight model, the return of the Star dreamer etc etc. It seems that it wont be possible now..or ever to do it. Sure, thats like saying that I wanted to play another game than what FDEV are making. I don't mean that, I really think though that cutting off all modding support from the games' stem is not a good deal for anyone..remember that we fans have carried the torch for almost two decades now! (Oolite, Pioneer, FFE3DAJ etc etc). Moreover, offline mode has been promised, verified and expanded upon by both David Braben and Michael Brookes in the KS. There are a lot of people that have ONLY pledged for the offline mode, and most of them are of course Elite Veterans, since the other Elite games are single player offline also. All in all, a pretty bad development.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3275	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:59:48 - [139] - Quote Ian Morbius wrote: This is great! "The title features both online and offline modes.," no wait a minute. Elite: Dangerous Offline Mode Dropped, Hit With Community Backlash "It appears that one feature mentioned in that campaign that wonGÇÖt be making it into the full title is an offline mode." Oh well,... the dream has ended. Now login. The ball is rolling bigger and bigger. Liqua, the top backer of E:D who bought the single 5,000 GBP stretch reward (naming a Founders system) has asked a refund. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 13130	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:17:18 - [140] - Quote Is offline mode the same thing as solo mode? Bacon makes us stronger

Indahmawar Fazmarai 3275	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:06:37 - [141] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: Is offline mode the same thing as solo mode? No. Solo mode is online but nobody else in your instance. Offline mode was the ability to play offline with only perodical synchronizations to the persistent universe. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9027	Posted - 2014.11.17 14:27:52 - [142] - Quote So I'm reading all the articles and that MASSIVE threadnaught on the forums about this and I'm wondering: Is ED still gonna kill EVE?
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3280	Posted - 2014.11.17 14:47:05 - [143] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: So I'm reading all the articles and that MASSIVE threadnaught on the forums about this and I'm wondering: Is ED still gonna kill EVE? Not as a game that could be played without a permanent Internet connection. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 90603	Posted - 2014.11.17 15:58:51 - [144] - Quote Meh, that sucks for people with ****** internet but it does not surprise me in this day and age that the devs would want to do something like have a constant internet connection. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 129	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:17:34 - [145] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: So I'm reading all the articles and that MASSIVE threadnaught on the forums about this and I'm wondering: Is ED still gonna kill EVE? Eve Cannot Be Killed. There will always be an Eve. Despite recent attempts to change her, Eve's character remains brutal and harsh, I pay every month to get abused. I like it. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1281	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:28:21 - [146] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Meh, that sucks for people with ****** internet but it does not surprise me in this day and age that the devs would want to do something like have a constant internet connection. I'm not surprised that nobody wanted the hassle of doing what amounts to a live database merge every time some offline player decides to go online again. The only sort of offline gameplay they could make work without killing themselves is to have the offline game be some kind of virtual/holodeck thing, so that you get the gameplay but with zero impact on the persistent world. Even then, as another poster in that threadnought noted, you're still asking for a baked-in client/server architecture, or else a whole new application. Both have severe disadvantages. Frontier are dumb for promising it in the first place, but everyone makes mistakes. IMO their best bet is to pull a Bethesda and release the MMO as a separate game from the standalone offline games. So ship Elite: Dangerous, set up support and new content development teams, and then start on the offline-only Elite 4, or whatever they want to call it. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 25208	Posted - 2014.11.18 05:34:53 - [147] - Quote Elite is making a CCP-esque mistake by using short quips to explain a major technical decision like offline mode. What they should have done was explain things in very technical terms, including cost figures and development times, so that smart people within the player base could be the informed voices of reason. article here. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3289	Posted - 2014.11.18 07:40:18 - [148] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Elite is making a CCP-esque mistake by using short quips to explain a major technical decision like offline mode. What they should have done was explain things in very technical terms, including cost figures and development times, so that smart people within the player base could be the informed voices of reason. article here. Backlash is quite impressive, with over 7,000 comments at the 465+ pages (and gorwing) thread. Dunno if someone is ever keeping track of that monster full of disappointment, but the tone is quite civil at this point and apparently the discussion revolves around refunds to people who will not be able to play the game. And IMO they have a moral case, obviously some people without a reliable Internet connection would not have backuped a online-only game, yet that was not what Frontier told them... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 91698	Posted - 2014.11.18 20:07:45 - [149] - Quote This has found its way onto the BBC now. I just really hope this incident does not end up harming the game too much. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Kaaeliaa The Vendunari End of Life 31601	Posted - 2014.11.18 20:27:17 - [150] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: This has found its way onto the BBC now. I just really hope this incident does not end up harming the game too much. I doubt it. Complainers tanked Ubisuck's stock by almost 10% and yet I'm sure AC Unity still sold like hotcakes. Now the gaming subreddits are filled with garbage like, "herp derp how do I get AC Unity to run better?" Instead of, you know, not buying an obvious turd shat out by the one of the most anti-consumer publishers in gaming. I doubt it will affect E:D's sales much. ;D LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. Khanid Zealot Rage Queen.

Indahmawar Fazmarai 3290	Posted - 2014.11.18 20:50:19 - [151] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: This has found its way onto the BBC now. I just really hope this incident does not end up harming the game too much. Well, in terms of trust, Frontier shares have gone down the sink. And that game exists because of 9 million pounds of trust. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 91728	Posted - 2014.11.18 20:58:33 - [152] - Quote Well if something does happen to Elite I'll be really sad. Star Citizen is utter crap right now IMO. CCP please dont **** up. You look like gold compared to the other two big space games right now. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 130	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:48:36 - [153] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Well if something does happen to Elite I'll be really sad. Star Citizen is utter crap right now IMO. CCP please dont ** up. You look like gold compared to the other two big space games right now. I personally think that ccp is in the process of ***** up right now, by making eve too noob friendly and easy mode. There's a big market out there full of players that want to be challenged with an mmo that punishes failure harshly. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 91800	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:41:32 - [154] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: Well if something does happen to Elite I'll be really sad. Star Citizen is utter crap right now IMO. CCP please dont ** up. You look like gold compared to the other two big space games right now. I personally think that ccp is in the process of ***** up right now, by making eve too noob friendly and easy mode. There's a big market out there full of players that want to be challenged with an mmo that punishes failure harshly. Well those players are certainly not flocking to Eve right now. Why can't I wear that? \|\| My Fanclub
Kaaeliaa The Vendunari End of Life 31810	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:22:23 - [155] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: Well if something does happen to Elite I'll be really sad. Star Citizen is utter crap right now IMO. CCP please dont ** up. You look like gold compared to the other two big space games right now. I personally think that ccp is in the process of ***** up right now, by making eve too noob friendly and easy mode. There's a big market out there full of players that want to be challenged with an mmo that punishes failure harshly. HAHA Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Moron. GTFO, we won't miss you. LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. Khanid Zealot Rage Queen.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3290	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:23:45 - [156] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: Well if something does happen to Elite I'll be really sad. Star Citizen is utter crap right now IMO. CCP please dont ** up. You look like gold compared to the other two big space games right now. I personally think that ccp is in the process of ***** up right now, by making eve too noob friendly and easy mode. There's a big market out there full of players that want to be challenged with an mmo that punishes failure harshly. And where were all those guys in the last 11 years? Get a clue, free of charge: EVE has hit a population cap. Now CCP is selling the game back to former and current subscribers... and that is a very short lived strategy. Once you sold EVE to everyone interested on it (and CCP managed to consume in excess of 9 million unique users in the process, not a small feat), the only options are: - sell another game (we know how that worked... twice!) - call it a day and grow petunias in glasshouses - sell EVE to (gasp!) people who never bought it in the past The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 131	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:40:34 - [157] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Mharius Skjem wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: Well if something does happen to Elite I'll be really sad. Star Citizen is utter crap right now IMO. CCP please dont ** up. You look like gold compared to the other two big space games right now. I personally think that ccp is in the process of ***** up right now, by making eve too noob friendly and easy mode. There's a big market out there full of players that want to be challenged with an mmo that punishes failure harshly. And where were all those guys in the last 11 years? Get a clue, free of charge: EVE has hit a population cap. Now CCP is selling the game back to former and current subscribers... and that is a very short lived strategy. Once you sold EVE to everyone interested on it (and CCP managed to consume in excess of 9 million unique users in the process, not a small feat), the only options are: - sell another game (we know how that worked... twice!) - call it a day and grow petunias in glasshouses - sell EVE to (gasp!) people who never bought it in the past In order to gain mass market appeal ccp are taking away everything that made eve great in the first place. When in actual fact they should be capitalising on the hard core aspects of eve, subscription failure is simply a failure of marketing. Subscriptions won't go up or be maintainable if eve becomes just another space game. They need to keep their USP. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1284	Posted - 2014.11.19 02:15:29 - [158] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: In order to gain mass market appeal ccp are taking away everything that made eve great in the first place. When in actual fact they should be capitalising on the hard core aspects of eve, subscription failure is simply a failure of marketing. Subscriptions won't go up or be maintainable if eve becomes just another space game. They need to keep their USP. HTFU can never fail, it can only be failed. EVE doesn't suffer from a marketing problem. Lots of people try EVE. They don't stay. I personally know two people who wanted to try EVE for exactly what it is--Machiavellian, cutthroat, dystopIan--and they still didn't stay all the way through their trial periods. EVE's problem is retaining people once they're here. I don't know where the idea comes from that retaining new players necessarily involves mollycoddling them, but it's stupid and it needs to go away. The simple fact is that, as it stands, EVE fails to get new players into the game. That's neither a marketing problem nor a problem with the game, necessarily (though: sov nullsec). It's a problem with the new player experience, and CCP needs to fix it. Back on topic, I hope ElIte:Dangerous recovers from this gaffe as well, because it looks like a very well-executed game, and different enough from EVE to be its own thing with its own appeal. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3292	Posted - 2014.11.19 07:52:49 - [159] - Quote 8550+ messages, 570+ pages and the discussion still rages on. David Braben answered to Eurogamer and he essentially said that offline mode is dead as they don't even plan to do it in the future becasue online mode is super cooler, and anyway refunds are subject to per-case and Terms and Conditions: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-11-18-david-braben-responds-to-outcry-over-elite-dangerous-ditched-offline-mode It kinda sounds as a very British way to say "please, do enjoy yourself by introducing spiky objects into your lower digestive system". The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Vudra Keerah Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:56:39 - [160] - Quote There are a lot of features that are coming to ED that Eve does not have, a current system is manual flight into a station. I wonder if we might see this in Eve due to the WASD keys that are currently being tested?

DaReaper Net 7 1325	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:49:22 - [161] - Quote Vudra Keerah wrote: There are a lot of features that are coming to ED that Eve does not have, a current system is manual flight into a station. I wonder if we might see this in Eve due to the WASD keys that are currently being tested? not without a complete rewrite of all mechanics you won't. WASD is prolly a test for valk and eve integration. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
DaReaper Net 7 1325	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:58:43 - [162] - Quote I'll add, if E:D is having this much issue with canceling a feature for now, imagine the backlash that other game will get when they need to scrap huge sections of it. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 131	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:14:52 - [163] - Quote Vudra Keerah wrote: There are a lot of features that are coming to ED that Eve does not have, a current system is manual flight into a station. I wonder if we might see this in Eve due to the WASD keys that are currently being tested? To do that properly will add multiple Gigs to the client size, given the variety in station designs that we have, so I cant see that coming. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 762	Posted - 2014.11.19 22:03:07 - [164] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Vudra Keerah wrote: There are a lot of features that are coming to ED that Eve does not have, a current system is manual flight into a station. I wonder if we might see this in Eve due to the WASD keys that are currently being tested? To do that properly will add multiple Gigs to the client size, given the variety in station designs that we have, so I cant see that coming. Not much of a point either it would need to be non manual to avoid bumping for no reason, So basically pretty animation if u enable market and other stuff while it runs ok but thats hardly good enough reason for massive investment.....if you are docking in dust/legion than yes but thats too far in not gonna happen imo.
Something Random The Barrow Boys 641	Posted - 2014.11.19 23:41:53 - [165] - Quote DaReaper wrote: I'll add, if E:D is having this much issue with canceling a feature for now, imagine the backlash that other game will get when they need to scrap huge sections of it. Ive been playing E:D a lot and liking it. I have to ask 'Did you really think they'd allow an option to go offline and earn 4 billion credits without the real risk of a serious interdiction (we're talking humans here) and then login again with it all?' Get real. Im setting up for some serious twitch based piracy and bankruptcy. I might cry. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" I love Science, it gives me a Hadron.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3292	Posted - 2014.11.20 07:46:31 - [166] - Quote LOL, love this guys! "No offline mode" threadnaught was closed at 10,000 mark (10,001 counting the moderator closure post) and the moderators themselves started a new thread to continue discussion. The new thread is currently 9 pages long at 125 posts. E:D threadnaughts, best threadnaughts! The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1287	Posted - 2014.11.20 15:15:02 - [167] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: LOL, love this guys! "No offline mode" threadnaught was closed at 10,000 mark (10,001 counting the moderator closure post) and the moderators themselves started a new thread to continue discussion. The new thread is currently 9 pages long at 125 posts. E:D threadnaughts, best threadnaughts! That is funny, but it's also good moderation. If the user base is going to rage, it's going to rage, and you can either channel it like these guys did or find yourself with a thousand more rage threads and a whole new reason to rage. +1 for them. Maybe eventually they'll realize that the only sane way to make an online and an offline game is to make two separate games. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
DaReaper Net 7 1340	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:53:57 - [168] - Quote Something Random wrote: DaReaper wrote: I'll add, if E:D is having this much issue with canceling a feature for now, imagine the backlash that other game will get when they need to scrap huge sections of it. Ive been playing E:D a lot and liking it. I have to ask 'Did you really think they'd allow an option to go offline and earn 4 billion credits without the real risk of a serious interdiction (we're talking humans here) and then login again with it all?' Get real. Im setting up for some serious twitch based piracy and bankruptcy. I might cry. Oh I could care less, I really have no interest in E:D, an npc driven economy and most likely sharded world has pretty much ended me even considering it. Though I will admit, if I did play another game i'd play E:D over that vaporware monstrosity. I just thought it was funny, and I predict when the monstrosity is cancled or gutted like a fish, the tears will make jump fatigue and no offline in ED look like a a puddle. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Something Random The Barrow Boys 642	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:36:59 - [169] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Something Random wrote: DaReaper wrote: I'll add, if E:D is having this much issue with canceling a feature for now, imagine the backlash that other game will get when they need to scrap huge sections of it. Ive been playing E:D a lot and liking it. I have to ask 'Did you really think they'd allow an option to go offline and earn 4 billion credits without the real risk of a serious interdiction (we're talking humans here) and then login again with it all?' Get real. Im setting up for some serious twitch based piracy and bankruptcy. I might cry. Oh I could care less, I really have no interest in E:D, an npc driven economy and most likely sharded world has pretty much ended me even considering it. Though I will admit, if I did play another game i'd play E:D over that vaporware monstrosity. I just thought it was funny, and I predict when the monstrosity is cancled or gutted like a fish, the tears will make jump fatigue and no offline in ED look like a a puddle. Wasnt trying to be too in your face, just point out the main point really. And yes, you are right :) "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" I love Science, it gives me a Hadron.
Kaaeliaa The Vendunari End of Life 33843	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:41:14 - [170] - Quote Beeteedubs, sorry for being a jerky-jerk earlier in the thread. I look forward to E:Ds release; still on the fence about playing it myself, but I will check out some streams and LPs with interest. Fly safe, everyone! <3 LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. This is my jam!

Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 95210	Posted - 2014.11.23 21:29:51 - [171] - Quote Just thought I would share this. I made my way Sol using a hauler and frame shift drive upgrade along with stripping some unnecessary parts in increase jump range. Might add a few more screens later. http://imgur.com/a/QL9cZ Unlock all the clothes \|\| My Fanclub Harmless - Penniless - Aimless
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3312	Posted - 2014.11.23 22:16:14 - [172] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Just thought I would share this. I made my way Sol using a hauler and frame shift drive upgrade along with stripping some unnecessary parts in increase jump range. Might add a few more screens later. http://imgur.com/a/QL9cZ Cool, space station M. Gorbachev... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
DaReaper Net 7 1445	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:38:42 - [173] - Quote See kids, this is how you avoid cluttering up forums, you bump an old thread. With ED's release, I'm wondering if its any different then beta? and if so is it better or worse? I might check it out OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 105194	Posted - 2014.12.16 21:10:10 - [174] - Quote DaReaper wrote: See kids, this is how you avoid cluttering up forums, you bump an old thread. With ED's release, I'm wondering if its any different then beta? and if so is it better or worse? I might check it out It's exactly the same as Gamma 2.0 and quite a bit better than beta. Unlock all the clothes \|\| My Fanclub Harmless - Penniless - Aimless
Crimson Draufgange Extreme Overkill Inc. The Bastard Cartel 32	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:55:37 - [175] - Quote raven666wings wrote: I wondered how was EVE preparing to face the might of David Braben's latest work on the Elite series. But then I looked at EVE's latest patch pictures and I saw what they did there! These new mobile structures, the Mobile Depot and the Mobile Siphon Unit... where have I seen this kind of design? Maybe in some of Elite: Dangerous ships like the Sidewinder, the Viper or even the Cobra??? What about the new ISIS guide? Wait a minute... I think I've seen something from Elite: Dangerous like that aswell... was it the starmap? Yes, I remember it now! Omg, even EVE's website front page now has a yellow button like the Elite: Dangerous' site and it's new store! ED webmasters even had to change their button's color to orange to stay original! This attempt to clone Elite:Dangerous assets comes as another sign of serious confidence loss within CCP's direction, despite claims made by its CEO in this interview, where he states that "It's easy to go and look at all the new shiny things that are coming but we don't want to be doing that. We want to stick to our guns". It's somewhat understandable that CCP's stakeholders might be afraid to lose costumers to a game like Elite, the godfather of space trading and combat simulators and a pioneer in 3d computer graphics and procedural generation, that served as role model for EVE Online itself aswell as other games like Wing Commander and Freelancer. ED's early backer rewards program has recently closed with over 40.000 backers donating over -ú2 million pounds of crowdfunding swag. The alpha build is now live. (If you aren't lucky enough to be one of the backers with Alpha build access, you can check this twitch feed for streamers.) Open world sandbox and space simulation fans are highly optimistic about the game and anxious to get their hands on the final release. And it's not for less. The game is looking gorgeous and will give players the freedom to roam/resource gather/trade/pirate/fight in more than 100 billion procedurally generated star systems (including our own) with moving celestials, real 1:1 scale and physics. Oculus Rift support is currently working on the alpha build, future expansions confirmed by Braben include avatar gameplay, atmospheric entry and planet landing/exploration. The game will have no monthly fees but they do plan on charging for these expansions. Early backers who funded -ú80 or more will have free access to all of them, besides the satisfaction of knowing they helped once more to kick big publishers in the nuts with another epic crowdfunded project Will this game kill EVE? Will we abandon New Eden forever? Of course not, but it will surely hurt CCP's finances, not only by attracting a lot of its current playerbase but also by offering a fresh and high quality game to the space sandbox MMO genre newcomers. EVE could be top dog in the industry by offering a top quality product to the players, but CCP decided to pursue other ventures and is now playing catch-up with its new competition. Care to share your thoughts? So how much did E:D's CEO pay you to make this post? Did he pay you in ISK or real cash? Crimson Draufgange, CEO of Extreme Overkill Inc.
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 510	Posted - 2014.12.17 10:20:46 - [176] - Quote Dang. ED's spaceships are even more boring looking than SC's. Why can't anyone hire some decent designers.
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 105305	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:31:42 - [177] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: Dang. ED's spaceships are even more boring looking than SC's. Why can't anyone hire some decent designers. Quite a few of the ships you see in E:D are just modern versions of the old ones in the Original Elite. The Cobra mkIII is one of most classic and well known spaceships in space sim history..... leave it alone please. Also the ships in Elite are suppose to be aerodynamic as they are capable of landing on planets. Unlock all the clothes \|\| My Fanclub Harmless - Penniless - Aimless
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3424	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:51:29 - [178] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: Dang. ED's spaceships are even more boring looking than SC's. Why can't anyone hire some decent designers. E:D's designs are meant to, you know, fly. Same as SC's. They belong to a design school called "Function makes the shape". EVE's ships, as other fantasy SF ships, belong to a different school called "Shape is the function". Bold designs aren't so bold when you pretend to make them "work", let alone walk inside them... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 475	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:26:07 - [179] - Quote Sup friends, hows it hanging? Thanks for keeping the thread alive why I was away in strike! By the way, if you haven't noticed yet, theres a contest going on in ED to reward with $1500 the first person to obtain the Elite rank in Combat, Exploration or Trading and with $15000 the first to obtain all 3 ranks I have been playing/streaming Diablo III, Smite and a bit of EVE, haven't played much ED yet but I'm gonna start now and am planning to stream it at CyberChaosCrew's twitch channel (if my laptop can handle the game+stream). Everybody welcome to pop in to watch if they like. See you in space! http://www.twitch.tv/cyberchaoscrew Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9201	Posted - 2014.12.22 15:37:09 - [180] - Quote So Elite has been out for 6 days. I haven't checked my hard drive for signs or Rigor mortis yet, so can someone tell me if EVE is dead yet (as predicted) or not?

Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 107326	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:47:05 - [181] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: So Elite has been out for 6 days. I haven't checked my hard drive for signs or Rigor mortis yet, so can someone tell me if EVE is dead yet (as predicted) or not? I think you might want to check out the StarCitizen v Eve thread for that. They are for damn sure that SC is gonna kill Eve and that SC is way better than Eve ever thought of being. I have been having a blast with E:D myself. Unlock all the clothes \|\| My Fanclub Harmless - Penniless - Aimless
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 528	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:47:07 - [182] - Quote Judging from videos of ED, the method of traveling from system to system and interdicting other players seems pretty cool. Looks more exciting than EVE's gates and gate camps.
DaReaper Net 7 1529	Posted - 2014.12.22 18:00:37 - [183] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: So Elite has been out for 6 days. I haven't checked my hard drive for signs or Rigor mortis yet, so can someone tell me if EVE is dead yet (as predicted) or not? I play in the evening US and I have not noticed a huge drop in players online.. so I'm going with no. People are prolly playing both and with eves unlimited queue... as ED is F2P past initial cost (I think, correct if wrong) you can easily train in eve and play ED till your training is done. It was a brilliant move by ccp that. I take back my previous comment, I might have to poke my head into ED so know for sure if I could like it or not. but ill wait a bit longer OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1387	Posted - 2014.12.23 11:04:27 - [184] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: Dang. ED's spaceships are even more boring looking than SC's. Why can't anyone hire some decent designers. the don't look boring, the look like classics. :) Most of them anyways. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> AFK Cloaking Collection Thread Please stop making "fix afk cloaking!" threads, your idea is not new. Thanks in advance.
Cartridgexxxx BALKAN EXPRESS Shadow Cartel 6	Posted - 2015.01.10 16:41:09 - [185] - Quote SUPERcruise blueballs and a no-one there I need
Herzyr Ministry of War Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2015.01.12 22:58:12 - [186] - Quote I don't know whether to start a new thread asking but I will ask here just in case. Any capsuleers here have tried E:D? Any deep insights I may have? I have read a lot of reviews, and its summarized as: ''A huge grind (money wise) if you plan to PvP in a competitive ship'' ''Not enough things to do, AKA not enough sandboxy'' ''Not deep enough'' ''Very good combat but you can only get so much of that before you get tired'' So even though there seems to be more cons than pros, for some reason, I feel like the only way to clear my doubts is to buy the game but there is a certain fear that it will pull me away from EVE, I want to try, but I don't want to compromise.
Debora Tsung Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1438	Posted - 2015.01.13 10:45:56 - [187] - Quote Herzyr wrote: I don't know whether to start a new thread asking but I will ask here just in case. Any capsuleers here have tried E:D? Any deep insights I may have? I have read a lot of reviews, and its summarized as: ''A huge grind (money wise) if you plan to PvP in a competitive ship'' ''Not enough things to do, AKA not enough sandboxy'' ''Not deep enough'' ''Very good combat but you can only get so much of that before you get tired'' So even though there seems to be more cons than pros, for some reason, I feel like the only way to clear my doubts is to buy the game but there is a certain fear that it will pull me away from EVE, I want to try, but I don't want to compromise. Tried it, it's fun, but only about 10 different ships + 4 station models and ship fitting is a mess. Basically it's like the original ELITE which was the initial inspiration for EVE. Only with better graphics. My only beef is that they didn't yet implement player to player trade, or any ship bigger than a Crow... Other than that, I wanted ELITE and I got ELITE, I won't complain. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Fighting back is more fun than not. Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 390211	Posted - 2015.01.13 13:58:54 - [188] - Quote Debora Tsung wrote: Herzyr wrote: I don't know whether to start a new thread asking but I will ask here just in case. Any capsuleers here have tried E:D? Any deep insights I may have? I have read a lot of reviews, and its summarized as: ''A huge grind (money wise) if you plan to PvP in a competitive ship'' ''Not enough things to do, AKA not enough sandboxy'' ''Not deep enough'' ''Very good combat but you can only get so much of that before you get tired'' So even though there seems to be more cons than pros, for some reason, I feel like the only way to clear my doubts is to buy the game but there is a certain fear that it will pull me away from EVE, I want to try, but I don't want to compromise. Tried it, it's fun, but only about 10 different ships + 4 station models and ship fitting is a mess. Basically it's like the original ELITE which was the initial inspiration for EVE. Only with better graphics. My only beef is that they didn't yet implement player to player trade, or any ship bigger than a Crow... Other than that, I wanted ELITE and I got ELITE, I won't complain. There are plans to add around 15 more ships to Elite with another one coming soon. Also I'm pretty sure ships like the Anaconda, Python and Type 9 are way bigger than a crow. I'm kinda disappointed that we can't land on planets yet like in the old Elites. Hopefully that will be a feature in one of the expansions to the game. Unlock all the clothes \|\| My Fanclub Harmless - Penniless - Aimless
Velarra 344	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:53:46 - [189] - Quote ED's camera motion and lack of adhering to the 180 rule induced 3D nausia. Not interested after ~40 or so minutes of the experience. Fortunately CCP resolved that issue in Eve after about a year.
Debora Tsung Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1438	Posted - 2015.01.13 22:15:30 - [190] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: There are plans to add around 15 more ships to Elite with another one coming soon. I'm kinda disappointed that we can't land on planets yet like in the old Elites. Hopefully that will be a feature in one of the expansions to the game. Last I read about that they were thinking about planning about implementing that feature... Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Fighting back is more fun than not. Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Dave Viker Do you even Exist. 64	Posted - 2015.01.14 12:05:11 - [191] - Quote You absolutely can't compare those two games, the only thing they share is Space. Eve is built on a completely different fundament, where tactics and smartness are important. Elite uses mechanical skill and has that "in-space" feeling, that EVE is "lacking" for most people. Both games are good, but EVE still wins for me. Indie GameDev & Audiophile Checkout my Soundcloud page. Hitech Trance, Chillout, Acoustic Stuff.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 475	Posted - 2015.01.15 02:31:15 - [192] - Quote Been busy with Elite but took some time to check out the new Proteus expansion and made a video about it and the state of EVE. Hope you guys enjoy it http://www.twitch.tv/cyberchaoscrew Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Badel Jramodarr 4145	Posted - 2015.01.15 06:57:37 - [193] - Quote Ctrl+Alt+Del webcomic I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all ...I'm on a horse
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 1425	Posted - 2015.01.15 22:14:58 - [194] - Quote Badel Jramodarr wrote: Ctrl+Alt+Del webcomic More or less what I was expecting. Been saving my "quid" for the time it becomes "more complete". It will eventually get much better (not that it is bad now from the general consensus I have perceived) but It seems from a total outsider perspective it still needs a long way to go to appeal to a much broader audience, in which I include myself. EVE has spoiled me in that way. People and their "content generation". Doesnt seem E:D can give you that in this stage of the game-¦s lifespan. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Something Random The Barrow Boys 677	Posted - 2015.01.15 23:05:31 - [195] - Quote Herzyr wrote: I don't know whether to start a new thread asking but I will ask here just in case. Any capsuleers here have tried E:D? Any deep insights I may have? I have read a lot of reviews, and its summarized as: ''A huge grind (money wise) if you plan to PvP in a competitive ship'' ''Not enough things to do, AKA not enough sandboxy'' ''Not deep enough'' ''Very good combat but you can only get so much of that before you get tired'' So even though there seems to be more cons than pros, for some reason, I feel like the only way to clear my doubts is to buy the game but there is a certain fear that it will pull me away from EVE, I want to try, but I don't want to compromise. Ill bump in here Sensible criticism/questioning Ive Betad E:D as an observer btw 'A huge grind (money wise) if you plan to PvP in a competitive ship'' This is a downside ? this is the same as anywhere in MMO land ive been - however im happy in elite to hang out in a local 'resource deposit' wait until someone turns red and pick off the bounty in a free ship. I think thats also familiar to certain MMO's. Not enough things to do, AKA not enough sandboxy'' Minds your limit - but you do get stuck with AI more than certain other MMO's "Not deep enough'' It just got released - and they have plans it seems. Expect NPC bounty/mission to increase i guess. ''Very good combat but you can only get so much of that before you get tired'' In its infancy - its going to get very hard once we're all 'on it' - venturing to anarchy will have as much depth as null for sure. I like the twitch game - shoot me (please cause currently i twitch for 12 credits a lost ship and make lots more for each that tries) "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" I love Science, it gives me a Hadron.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 478	Posted - 2015.03.06 18:10:34 - [196] - Quote Did you guys hear about the Elite Dangerous 1.2 Wings Update? There's a beta test build live in the ED launcher for all the people with beta access to play with. One thing I always liked about EVE was the ability to form wings with your buddies and roam the space lanes together, always keeping in touch, sharing intel and warping/jumping into distant space as one. Now you can do that in Elite too! That's right! 1.2 Wings Update is bringing a lot of grouping perks into the game for the commanders to enjoy. The -ú10.000 Race to Elite competition is also still up, last week 2 commanders claimed to have achieved Triple Elite status (trading, exploration and combat) Will one of them be the winner? Frontier is now checking the legitimacy of their achievements. more info at Elite: Dangerous newsletter #64 CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe 398727	Posted - 2015.03.06 19:26:17 - [197] - Quote This update with the wing stuff should have been in the game since release. Would have made things a lot easier. Vulture is interesting too. Little ship with big guns. Unlock all the clothes \|\| My Fanclub
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 478	Posted - 2015.03.06 20:06:54 - [198] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: This update with the wing stuff should have been in the game since release. Would have made things a lot easier. Vulture is interesting too. Little ship with big guns. Yep, I agree. Being able to share bounty rewards with mates instead of having to target different enemies all the time to not steal kills would have made bounty hunting easier and more enjoyable from scratch. Also some other things they're yet to implement like Alliance ranking system and ships (Federation and Empire ranks are there since launch and the Federal Dropship and Imperial Clipper are available to those faction's ranked pilots but theres nothing for Alliance) could have been there at launch but overall I'm very satisfied with the game and seeing the dedication and output of these guys I'm confident that everything Frontier promised to the backers will be ingame in due time. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3829	Posted - 2015.03.06 20:29:36 - [199] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: This update with the wing stuff should have been in the game since release. Would have made things a lot easier. Vulture is interesting too. Little ship with big guns. I am waiting until they flesh out those E:D bones a bit. Specially with avatars. As for content... how was EVE in 2003? The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
DaReaper Net 7 1838	Posted - 2015.03.06 20:35:20 - [200] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: This update with the wing stuff should have been in the game since release. Would have made things a lot easier. Vulture is interesting too. Little ship with big guns. I am waiting until they flesh out those E:D bones a bit. Specially with avatars. As for content... how was EVE in 2003? i can;t comment on eve in 03 as i joined in 04, but after castor in 03 it got alot of new game play. On release eve lacked more then i think lvl 3 missions, and the biggest ship was a cruiser. Stuff was not fleshed out till after Castor. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Commissar Kate GoonWaffe 398728	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:45:18 - [201] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: This update with the wing stuff should have been in the game since release. Would have made things a lot easier. Vulture is interesting too. Little ship with big guns. I am waiting until they flesh out those E:D bones a bit. Specially with avatars. As for content... how was EVE in 2003? For me I'd much rather see landing on planets be released before avatar stuff. Landing on planets is one thing I miss that ED does not currently have but Frontier did. Unlock all the clothes \|\| My Fanclub
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 41555	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:57:05 - [202] - Quote funny how all these Elite enthusiasts need EVE forums to communicate
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 479	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:32:20 - [203] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: funny how all these Elite enthusiasts need EVE forums to communicate What's the problem? EVE buddies talking about other games they are excited about. I don't see nothing wrong with that. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 41864	Posted - 2015.03.08 02:34:38 - [204] - Quote more like talking how Elite is so much better... yet you all still here
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe 398785	Posted - 2015.03.08 02:42:26 - [205] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: more like talking how Elite is so much better... yet you all still here I have never said its better. You can win Eve by not posting on the forums. My Fanclub
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3832	Posted - 2015.03.08 09:56:03 - [206] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: more like talking how Elite is so much better... yet you all still here Nobody said it is better. It is very empty of content at the moment, just for starters (a mile-wide lake one-inch deep, said someone). Yet also is a different game than EVE, an alternative if you want to, and unlike EVE it is starting up rather than struggle to not stagnate after 12 years doing the same. Be them shorter or longer, Elite: Dangerous still haves its course ahead, whereas EVE is leaving its course behind. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 380	Posted - 2015.03.08 14:14:42 - [207] - Quote The OP doesn't make any sense, EVE and Elite are as different from each other as JRPGs and train simulators. I play both games, and I couldn't say which one is "better".
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 479	Posted - 2015.03.08 22:38:29 - [208] - Quote Owen Levanth wrote: The OP doesn't make any sense, EVE and Elite are as different from each other as JRPGs and train simulators. I play both games, and I couldn't say which one is "better". You should read the OP again, "Elite is better" is not what says there. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3834	Posted - 2015.03.08 23:26:21 - [209] - Quote Owen Levanth wrote: The OP doesn't make any sense, EVE and Elite are as different from each other as JRPGs and train simulators. I play both games, and I couldn't say which one is "better". The threat to EVE is not the current playerbase, not even the massive list of people who tried EVE and quit (they were in the tune of 9 million people in 2013). The treat is, are you looking for a mature, serious online space game? Which game is more appealing, EVE or Elite? It is difficult to understand how fringe, how freakish, how bloody unsellable is EVE, compared to Elite, which is also fringe but hasn't grown old enough to become freakish and is quite easy to sell even in its barebone status. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
DARK JEDDA Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.03.11 20:02:04 - [210] - Quote No, ED wonGÇÖt kill eve on line as we are speaking about two completely different games. Eve, has lot of contents but basically is a GÇ£click, click, clickGÇ¥ game, no strategy during fights, horrible fleet battles, and worst of the worst (for me), it doesnGÇÖt allow the player to fly his ships. But every person is different, with a different taste. Even if (and when) ED or SC will be fully developed, EVE on line will still exist, the GÇ£hardcoreGÇ¥ eve gamers are divided into three main groups: 1- The superheroes: the group which sees his KB page as a bible, they donGÇÖt understand it is just an HTML page which doesnGÇÖt make them stronger or better in RL 2- The rich ones: they play for rising isks, they feel rich, their eve account is richer that their bank account but they feel fulfilled anyway. 3- The chatters: they play mostly because they have some friends, maybe playing in front of a cup of tea/coffe or ice cream while they do a sort of GÇ£public relationGÇ¥ in chat 4- The gamers: they play eve like any other game, they arenGÇÖt hardcore, they might be part of one of the previous groups but arenGÇÖt so GÇ£motivatedGÇ¥. I think ED might steel just some players from the 4th group, it might deliver what group 1,2 and 3 are looking as well with one exception: In ED you NEED to learn how to fly your ship, is a simulation, eve is not, so itGÇÖs more difficult I personally love the world of Eve, what I totally dislike it the absence of strategy (like the chance to divert the power of the ship to engines weapons or shield), positioning (during battles), eccGÇª eccGÇª you just have to click and enter F keys. P.S. If someone is going to ask, my account is plexed with isks, that's why I am still an active player, will switch to Ed once is better developed .

DARK JEDDA Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.03.11 20:35:47 - [211] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: more like talking how Elite is so much better... yet you all still here I have never said its better. Yet you are still reading ED posts on eve forums
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe 399049	Posted - 2015.03.11 22:12:06 - [212] - Quote DARK JEDDA wrote: Commissar Kate wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: more like talking how Elite is so much better... yet you all still here I have never said its better. Yet you are still reading ED posts on eve forums Yeah? So what. You can win Eve by not posting on the forums. My Fanclub
DaReaper Net 7 1851	Posted - 2015.03.12 16:26:35 - [213] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: more like talking how Elite is so much better... yet you all still here no thats the Star Citizen people actually OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Thilos Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 105	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:26:06 - [214] - Quote Fact: Human beings are incapable of playing more than one computer game. These trolls are becoming sour. The bridge is collapsing. There are few unwary travelers left.
DaReaper Net 7 1851	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:44:33 - [215] - Quote Thilos wrote: Fact: Human beings are incapable of playing more than one computer game. These trolls are becoming sour. The bridge is collapsing. There are few unwary travelers left. this is why the unlimited Skill queue was smart. When someone gets bored of eve, they might set a year skill queue, pay for there account, and go play ED or SC (which is never coming but meh) or something else. CCP still gets money, player still gets skill points, win win OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
digitalwanderer DW inc 393	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:23:57 - [216] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Thilos wrote: Fact: Human beings are incapable of playing more than one computer game. These trolls are becoming sour. The bridge is collapsing. There are few unwary travelers left. this is why the unlimited Skill queue was smart. When someone gets bored of eve, they might set a year skill queue, pay for there account, and go play ED or SC (which is never coming but meh) or something else. CCP still gets money, player still gets skill points, win win Heh, in the latest live presentation we have: 1: The new retalialiator which looks stunning. 2: The new procedural damage modeling system that allows to cut shipouss to pieces and show surface damage depending on the weapon type that it was hit with. 3: The explorer mode that allows free flight, and landing and takeoffs on planets. 4: A 70 mission single player campaign. 5: The social module is due for early april. 6: A/C 2.0 using multicrew ships is due for june. 7: Client weighs in at 100 GB once the game hits release in 2016, and patches from that point onwards, can be as large as 20GB a pop. And finally, I see DA REAPER eating a lot of crow for the 4 years of badmouthing a game that would never release, that's a scam, that's too ambitious, that will never live up to the hype.....You name the excuse, he said it likely dozens of times....:P
DaReaper Net 7 1852	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:31:26 - [217] - Quote digitalwanderer wrote: DaReaper wrote: Thilos wrote: Fact: Human beings are incapable of playing more than one computer game. These trolls are becoming sour. The bridge is collapsing. There are few unwary travelers left. this is why the unlimited Skill queue was smart. When someone gets bored of eve, they might set a year skill queue, pay for there account, and go play ED or SC (which is never coming but meh) or something else. CCP still gets money, player still gets skill points, win win Heh, in the latest live presentation we have: 1: The new retalialiator which looks stunning. 2: The new procedural damage modeling system that allows to cut shipouss to pieces and show surface damage depending on the weapon type that it was hit with. 3: The explorer mode that allows free flight, and landing and takeoffs on planets. 4: A 70 mission single player campaign. 5: The social module is due for early april. 6: A/C 2.0 using multicrew ships is due for june. 7: Client weighs in at 100 GB once the game hits release in 2016, and patches from that point onwards, can be as large as 20GB a pop. And finally, I see DA REAPER eating a lot of crow for the 4 years of badmouthing a game that would never release, that's a scam, that's too ambitious, that will never live up to the hype.....You name the excuse, he said it likely dozens of times....:P Why are you posting this drivvel about a game that doesn;t exist yet and will never exist and or will flop in a thread about a game that does exist? I do;t have to eat any crow till 2016 when the game is fully out and playable. Till then i can bad mouth it all i want, cause at anytime CR can take his money and run. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
digitalwanderer DW inc 393	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:37:58 - [218] - Quote DaReaper wrote: digitalwanderer wrote: DaReaper wrote: Thilos wrote: Fact: Human beings are incapable of playing more than one computer game. These trolls are becoming sour. The bridge is collapsing. There are few unwary travelers left. this is why the unlimited Skill queue was smart. When someone gets bored of eve, they might set a year skill queue, pay for there account, and go play ED or SC (which is never coming but meh) or something else. CCP still gets money, player still gets skill points, win win Heh, in the latest live presentation we have: 1: The new retalialiator which looks stunning. 2: The new procedural damage modeling system that allows to cut shipouss to pieces and show surface damage depending on the weapon type that it was hit with. 3: The explorer mode that allows free flight, and landing and takeoffs on planets. 4: A 70 mission single player campaign. 5: The social module is due for early april. 6: A/C 2.0 using multicrew ships is due for june. 7: Client weighs in at 100 GB once the game hits release in 2016, and patches from that point onwards, can be as large as 20GB a pop. And finally, I see DA REAPER eating a lot of crow for the 4 years of badmouthing a game that would never release, that's a scam, that's too ambitious, that will never live up to the hype.....You name the excuse, he said it likely dozens of times....:P Why are you posting this drivvel about a game that doesn;t exist yet and will never exist and or will flop in a thread about a game that does exist? I do;t have to eat any crow till 2016 when the game is fully out and playable. Till then i can bad mouth it all i want, cause at anytime CR can take his money and run. 1) a polished turn is still a turd 2) is it in game yet? oh wait... 3) is it in game yet? oh wait... 4) is it in game yet? oh wait... 5) is it.. oh not even out yet.. 6) is it in.. oh wait, AC is not even going to be part of the actual game.. 7) i don;t see the game in full availble for download do you? on a serious note, you going to fan fest? It's too far away for me to attend. As for the rest, I guess the time for you to eat industrial amounts of crow is getting ever closer...So bad mouth for as long as possible i guess...:P
DaReaper Net 7 1852	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:43:58 - [219] - Quote digitalwanderer wrote: DaReaper wrote: digitalwanderer wrote: DaReaper wrote: Thilos wrote: Fact: Human beings are incapable of playing more than one computer game. These trolls are becoming sour. The bridge is collapsing. There are few unwary travelers left. this is why the unlimited Skill queue was smart. When someone gets bored of eve, they might set a year skill queue, pay for there account, and go play ED or SC (which is never coming but meh) or something else. CCP still gets money, player still gets skill points, win win Heh, in the latest live presentation we have: 1: The new retalialiator which looks stunning. 2: The new procedural damage modeling system that allows to cut shipouss to pieces and show surface damage depending on the weapon type that it was hit with. 3: The explorer mode that allows free flight, and landing and takeoffs on planets. 4: A 70 mission single player campaign. 5: The social module is due for early april. 6: A/C 2.0 using multicrew ships is due for june. 7: Client weighs in at 100 GB once the game hits release in 2016, and patches from that point onwards, can be as large as 20GB a pop. And finally, I see DA REAPER eating a lot of crow for the 4 years of badmouthing a game that would never release, that's a scam, that's too ambitious, that will never live up to the hype.....You name the excuse, he said it likely dozens of times....:P Why are you posting this drivvel about a game that doesn;t exist yet and will never exist and or will flop in a thread about a game that does exist? I do;t have to eat any crow till 2016 when the game is fully out and playable. Till then i can bad mouth it all i want, cause at anytime CR can take his money and run. 1) a polished turn is still a turd 2) is it in game yet? oh wait... 3) is it in game yet? oh wait... 4) is it in game yet? oh wait... 5) is it.. oh not even out yet.. 6) is it in.. oh wait, AC is not even going to be part of the actual game.. 7) i don;t see the game in full availble for download do you? on a serious note, you going to fan fest? It's too far away for me to attend. As for the rest, I guess the time for you to eat industrial amounts of crow is getting ever closer...So bad mouth for as long as possible i guess...:P aww was gonna buy ya a beer, as i do;t drink but i like arguing with you about SC, its fun. Anyway, still got a year + but wrogn thread. Back to ED. The new patch make any huge improvement? OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe 399071	Posted - 2015.03.13 01:22:13 - [220] - Quote Yep, it's significantly easier to fly with your friends in a group now. You can now see where they are at and what they are targeting, ship scans are now shared too along with bounties and exploration data. Anyone who is with you in your wing can also get a percentage of your trading profits. Also traveling in group is actually a thing now. I have been messing with the Vulture myself. It's a really fun ship to fly with the large hard points on a small ship. Has excellent maneuverability and a good shield generator. They also have increased bounties so that it's more balanced with trading which is a very welcome addition. You can win Eve by not posting on the forums. My Fanclub

Indahmawar Fazmarai 3844	Posted - 2015.03.13 07:41:04 - [221] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Yep, it's significantly easier to fly with your friends in a group now. You can now see where they are at and what they are targeting, ship scans are now shared too along with bounties and exploration data. Anyone who is with you in your wing can also get a percentage of your trading profits. Also traveling in group is actually a thing now. I have been messing with the Vulture myself. It's a really fun ship to fly with the large hard points on a small ship. Has excellent maneuverability and a good shield generator. They also have increased bounties so that it's more balanced with trading which is a very welcome addition. I am having Freudian asociations with the FdL and its C4 mount. "Hello, sirs. My name is Lance, Fer de Lance, and this is my not-so-little friend..." The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3845	Posted - 2015.03.13 21:14:58 - [222] - Quote Just dropping this. Elite: Dangerous >>>> EVE Online The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Mr Duffo Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF 77	Posted - 2015.03.14 11:31:46 - [223] - Quote https://youtu.be/LKHjofa6Bt4 After 1.2 game got a lot more interesting in multiplayer aspect. Go to 8:25 and will see pvp and then wings feature couple minutes later with random people and it was so much fun. what goes for eve vs elite I love both games equally but elite wins on pve combat for sure. pvp in elite aint so harsh as insurance covers 96% (beta bracker) of the ship and you get ship will be replaced so money goes for eve on pvp.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 479	Posted - 2015.03.16 09:16:22 - [224] - Quote Mr Duffo wrote: pvp in elite aint so harsh as insurance covers 96% (beta bracker) of the ship and you get ship will be replaced so money goes for eve on pvp. Yeah I noticed the same thing, with the ability to make from 2 to 4 million an hour with trading, even if you lose say like a full class A module fitted Anaconda (rebuy cost like what, around 10 mil cr?) you will easily replace it without too much grind. In EVE the insurance covers less than 50% but also if you're good you can grind enough isk in a couple hours to buy 20 faction battleships. EVE pvp hurts, but the pain is also proportional to your ability to acquire isk. EVE's ship loss and death mechanic (emergency escape pod and consciousness transfer to new clones) imo is also superior to the current ones in Elite and Star Citizen. Being an immortal and augmented character has its appeal and it's a shame to see character gameplay underdeveloped in such a rich setting. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Mikael Menethil Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2015.04.28 15:26:56 - [225] - Quote I find myself playing ED more often than EVE atm. The scientifically accurate gravitational forces and a HOTAS joystick is all I need. It's a pleasure to just travel the systems. The combat is stunning, you can target an individual module (like the power plant) and destroy the ship without the need to bring the hull armor to 0%. The insurance system works in such a way that players are less afraid to lose a ship. Dogfights are everywhere and, if you have the proper ship / thrusters, you can easily escape / retreat. There is no warp scrambler or a webifier and a big ship will, almost always, melt a small ship in seconds. However, bounty and mission rewards are tied to the ship, so if it gets destroyed before you claim those rewards, they are lost. Also if you don't have the money to pay for the insurance when the ship is destroyed, you lose it and you're back in a starter ship. Ill give an example, if your ship is worth 20 mil. CR / ISK, when it gets destroyed you will have to pay 1 mil. CR / ISK to take it back with the same loadout. If you don't have that 1 mil, you lose it and every bounty or mission unclaimed with it. Basically you just have to make sure that your wallet can always cover the insurance cost, especially after you upgrade a module.
Amber Harrington Space Ants 13	Posted - 2015.05.03 09:54:11 - [226] - Quote Mikael Menethil wrote: There is no warp scrambler or a webifier and a big ship will, almost always, melt a small ship in seconds. So a newbro is irrelevant until he gets an equivalent of a battleship. And small ships are therefore useless. And this is better because...?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 3499	Posted - 2015.05.03 11:09:37 - [227] - Quote Amber Harrington wrote: Mikael Menethil wrote: There is no warp scrambler or a webifier and a big ship will, almost always, melt a small ship in seconds. So a newbro is irrelevant until he gets an equivalent of a battleship. And small ships are therefore useless. And this is better because...? Can a newbro solo a Level 4? No, he can't. If that's not wrong with EVE, why should be wrong with Elite Dangerous? The Greater Fool Bar_ is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! _
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 402941	Posted - 2015.05.16 02:55:37 - [228] - Quote mmmm Imperial Clipper. -k8 My Fanclub


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