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keepiru	Posted - 2006.03.12 10:34:00 - [61] Originally by: j0sephine This thread is missing a "kekekekeke". Or owl. Or most likely, both... I can do one... points to new sig Is that "kekekeke" enough for you? ^^" ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
WuQuanShi	Posted - 2006.03.12 11:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Niiro Hanzo Edited by: Niiro Hanzo on 12/03/2006 10:27:08 edit Oh well, this isn't a political forum after all so I'll just edit it away. It is hard to understand why your words so offensive,Niiro Hanzo!I think Game should be no national boundaries,and i am confused why your struggling with china's democracy. I'v seen so much speech before.Maybe something is right,but most of them are Inaccurate.It's better to see the reality by yourself than the media.Belive me,in china,no one cares about this,I call it limited democracy. Well,I am a china player,sorry for my bad english and say hello to your all
Lohengramm III	Posted - 2006.03.12 14:54:00 - [63] Originally by: WuQuanShi Originally by: Niiro Hanzo Edited by: Niiro Hanzo on 12/03/2006 10:27:08 edit Oh well, this isn't a political forum after all so I'll just edit it away. It is hard to understand why your words so offensive,Niiro Hanzo!I think Game should be no national boundaries,and i am confused why your struggling with china's democracy. I'v seen so much speech before.Maybe something is right,but most of them are Inaccurate.It's better to see the reality by yourself than the media.Belive me,in china,no one cares about this,I call it limited democracy. Well,I am a china player,sorry for my bad english and say hello to your all it's not your fault son, human born to fight each other and wiil finally screw up this entire civilisation , thx for ur concern. u say so they will say :"limited democracy? see,, here is an classical example of communism brain wash, chinese ppl got all f**ked up, ",
Archilies	Posted - 2006.03.12 17:11:00 - [64] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 11/03/2006 13:36:17 im personally ashamed of ccp for selling out. we here play the game with relative freedom because of the countries we belong to. everytime our western companies change the way they work to go to china they are giving the chinese ****s in the red party legitamesy . shame on you ccp shame on google shame on all western companies BNP? EECC Recruitment Thread
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.03.12 19:02:00 - [65] Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 12/03/2006 19:02:45 if i was bnp why would i give a dam about china and its citizens and the fact your asking if im a bnp member seriously narks me im actually a paid up member of the conservative party and on the pro europe side read what i wrote if you still wondering if im a bnp member then all i can say is dam you must have been hit on the head hard STAN FACTA NON VERBA [MACE] [ATUK] EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy!
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.03.12 19:09:00 - [66] Originally by: Benglada Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 11/03/2006 15:00:50 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: StiZum Hilidii im personally ashamed of ccp for selling out. we here play the game with relative freedom because of the countries we belong to. everytime our western companies change the way they work to go to china they are giving the chinese **s in the red party legitamesy . Why aren't they legitimate? Do they not have the right to choose a different form of government than us? How arrogant of you. Now stop trying to turn this thread into a political flamewar. ok you may be a forum warrior and i dont have the time to keep up with you but im not arrogant and tbh you seem anaware they dont have the right to choose thats the point!!! you retard they arent even allowed to look up different ideas about how their country is ruled cos guess what thats out lawed and you go to prison to belong to a different political party gets you in jail to say out loud you think your government isnt doing the right thing guess what gets you in jail to protest against your government guess what GETS YOU SHOT to look up info about tibet is banned and could get you in jjail to belong to a religion that isnt allowed by their government gets you in jail. my point is mr dark idiot they dont have the choice and by bringing this game to china we are saying that we are fine with how they treat their people. you sir disgust me oh and btw to relate it to the topic lol at so many people wanting to play eve i just hope they are allowed to choose to be a gallante and dont get put in prison for having a corp vote on something How is supplying them with entertainment say we agree with their type of government? Would you also potest against us supplying toilet paper? Pillows? Candles? That would just make the situation WORSE not BETTER. I agree with shikari on all accounts. do you also agree with shikari that chinese people have a choice in how they are governed. and my point was that sure supplying with food and stuff is fine. thing people need e.t.c to keep them going. by big corporations changing the way they do buisness in order to take away some of the freedoms we all enjoy here im saying that its a step to far and is siding with the government over the people. the fact that some one in china cannot make a blog on the internet about how they disagree with their government without yahoo giving their name to china in order for them to be imprisoned, if you think all this is correct and how it should be then my god what country are you from and please i hope you never get elected we are all doomed STAN** FACTA NON VERBA [MACE] [ATUK] EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy!
Atom HeartMother	Posted - 2006.03.12 19:40:00 - [67] Edited by: Atom HeartMother on 12/03/2006 19:40:52 Dark Shikari you really are a compleat Tw@t Originally by: Bonaventure Augustus Because lets be honest, the number of people who play this game drunk on the weekends is astounding.
slip66	Posted - 2006.03.12 20:13:00 - [68] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 11/03/2006 15:00:50 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: StiZum Hilidii im personally ashamed of ccp for selling out. Stan does have a point. Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
shaqarava	Posted - 2006.03.12 20:54:00 - [69] Edited by: shaqarava on 12/03/2006 20:58:00 Many people seem to criticise China for its totalitarian government because people have no say in it, but I think there's a cultural/historical element to it as well. AFAIK there has never been any form of democracy in China, ever. Confucianism plays an element of it. Although itÆs not a religion itÆs the closest thing the Chinese have to a religion. It teaches to be respectful and obedient to your elders as well as your rulers. Though it also teaches that the rulers be kind to the people I doubt any of the Communist members are Confucians. But the vast majority of people in China are still quite conservative and still hold some Confucian principles to heart. Then suddenly the west comes and asks them to screw 2000 years of tradition as well as the only system teh Chinese know cos they donÆt agree with how China is run. This also affects the Communist leaders. Despite being Communist theyÆre also very nationalistic, they donÆt like being told what to do by noobs. China has had an undemocratic authoritarian regime based on Confucianism longer than any modern civilization has existed. And I think it's gonna stay that way for the time being. No one and nothing can change that, and certainly not verbal critique. Though you could say there was more democracy when the emperors were in charge in that if the people felt their rulers were corrupt and lost their mandate they could legitimately overthrow them. But I doubt many people believe in the concept of the mandate anymore. Also I think we need to put China is perspective Human Rights Record of the US http://english.people.com.cn/200603/09/eng20060309_249259.html "On March 8, the U.S. Department of State, posing once again as "the world's judge of human rights," released its Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2005. As in previous years, the State Department pointed the finger at human rights situations in more than 190 countries and regions, including China, but kept silent on the serious violations of human rights in the United States. To help people realize the true features of this self-styled "guardian of human rights," it is necessary to probe into the human rights abuses in the United States in 2005." And I see nothing wrong with CCP, google, Yahoo or any other company 'selling' out to China. They're in it for the money, not for moral or ethical reasons.
JoKane	Posted - 2006.03.12 21:21:00 - [70] Thank god for the first intelligent post about China in this thread shaqarava! People in general dont seem to have any understanding for other cultures at all these days. Instead of trying to change others to live like yourself read up and accept their way of living.

Xrak	Posted - 2006.03.12 22:05:00 - [71] Edited by: Xrak on 12/03/2006 22:06:51 Stan really is much more intelligent then he looks, I agree with more or less everything he has posted. BTW if all the people who agreed with stan in this post were chinese, how many wouldn't be in jail next week? Edit - To the poster above, no government is perfect, but one where you cant change it or critise it is definately much worse then one where you can.
JoKane	Posted - 2006.03.12 22:48:00 - [72] I agree with that also, freedom of speech is smomething that should exist everywhere.
Xrak	Posted - 2006.03.12 23:32:00 - [73] Well in your first post you said we should accept their way of living, and atm their way of living is not having freedom of speech. Bit of a contradiction?
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:03:00 - [74] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii im not going to throw you in jail or tortue you. Cause that **** only happens with dictatorships. The western world would never use torture would they Youre sitting here, using a lot of chinese technology to view this page... Id hand you a cluepon, to help you with your double standards, but your view of the world as it realy exists seems to be jaded by 3 colours. Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
Denrace	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:21:00 - [75] I dont get why they cant just have loads of different servers running different Universes with around 30K capacity on each one. It may undermine the "one universe" thing but ,in all honesty, CCP cannot maintain a single unsharded world with 50,000 players on it. Period. There is a reason why large-scale MMO's are sharded. This is it. ________________________________________ Replace the Nighthawk's Target Nav bonus with a ROF bonus!
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:29:00 - [76] Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 13/03/2006 00:34:32 Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 13/03/2006 00:29:32 actually my keyboard says made in taiwan w00t. and yes alot of stuff is made in china i cant help but buy it seeing how the vast majority of stuff is made there. doesnt mean i agree with it. i would love to see companies producing else where but they dont and i have no choice most of the time. i buy american food doesnt mean i love bush i buy french mustard doesnt mean i like chirac and again i point out that i dislike many areas of how my country deals with the world but im aloud to say that unlike in china i know some of you may think im looking at old ideas of china BUT UNTIL CHINA HAS FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS with the possibility of people voting for a change in their government. and until we see a change in their press and until we see a change in their foreign policy i maintain that changing our buisnesses to support the chinese government is wrong and thats that, yes we buy chinese products, our markets are flooded with them by the people who fill our shops, our markets are trying to resist but they cant forever. i dont know what the answer is to it all but i do not enjoy the idea of ccp changing the way they work in order to pander to the worst kind of people in the world in my mind the leaders of china rank up there with the worst dictators you can think of, i wont name them because i think thats not allowed :( but you know who i mean. and every other authoriarian who silences people with force and brutality and fear of death. until you can show me a truely free china ill keep my views and do everything i can do to express that view. it might not be alot but ill try. STAN FACTA NON VERBA [MACE] [ATUK] EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy!
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:34:00 - [77] just a final note i see this alot in american media and such and i think it demonstrates something we need to remember "i dont agree with what you say but i will defend your right to say it till i die" something along those lines and its true for all of you, i might not like what some of you have said but i would defend your right to say it till the last,if only our friends in china could say the same thing STAN FACTA NON VERBA [MACE] [ATUK] EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy!
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:37:00 - [78] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii and its true for all of you, i might not like what some of you have said but i would defend your right to say it till the last,if only our friends in china could say the same thing Try praising ***** Bin Laden in America, see how far your "freedom of speech" will get you ============== This is a sig O RLY? - Imaran I've only done 4 hours of Tools for 2D graphics, give me a few weeks and i'll be cool, really.
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:46:00 - [79] you might have that point i guess in the uk we have the laws saying you cannot incite terrorism and by praising os@ma you could be judged to be doing that. i guess all i can say is we have relative freedom of speech. i could in the uk praise os@ma for say playing cricket very well but if i praised him for killing alot of people then that would get me in trouble because my freedom of speech does not overide peoples right to live without fear of terrorism or being killed in a terrorist attack. our freedom of speech allows us to criticise our government. mock our government question faith debate different ideals china does not allow for these acts of freedom i guess what im saying is that freedom oof speech is a great right that we enjoy as long as it doesnt encroach on others given rights to live a safe life. while i guess this is a different matter for discussion in terms of how free is our speech i would like to point out that although we are curtailed in terms of how it effects others and could damage others we are given amazing amounts of scope in terms of how we use our freedom of speech. i just wish this slightly limited freedom was shared by all STAN FACTA NON VERBA [MACE] [ATUK] EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy!
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:47:00 - [80] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii actually my keyboard says made in taiwan w00t. and yes alot of stuff is made in china i cant help but buy it seeing how the vast majority of stuff is made there. doesnt mean i agree with it. But you still buy it. Originally by: StiZum Hilidii and every other authoriarian who silences people with force and brutality and fear of death. Name one country that doesnt use these practises at some level of their government. Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks

StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:52:00 - [81] w0rmy alot of the time my financial limitations force me too. if i could afford to buy from other sources i would but if i didnt buy this keyboard i couldnt argue with you and that would make me sad:( and in terms of countries that dont beat you for freedom of speech. i went on a couple of marches against raising student payments. is houted oi blair why you robbing me and such things guess what i wasnt beaten or anything so im gonna say britain. if i perform my free speech without damaging property or hurting others i can speak my mind and not fear reprisals if we didnt have freedom of speech without threat of violence the houses of commons would be drenched in bloood every time the opposition moked the prime minsiter sharp shooters would take him out, now i know we have had a fair few tory leaders but i dont think its for that reason. STAN FACTA NON VERBA [MACE] [ATUK] EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy!
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.03.13 01:06:00 - [82] Edited by: w0rmy on 13/03/2006 01:07:13 Originally by: StiZum Hilidii w0rmy alot of the time my financial limitations force me too. Perhaps these financial reasons are similar to the reason CCP wish to expand into china? More income for CCP will allow more developement of the game we love and play. (Hell surely EVERYONE would love to see development for support of 50,000 clients being tested and done on a chienese server, as it could only improve the one we play on, and perhaps, mean less bugs make it into our world). My support for or against the chinese govt isnt realy valid to the topic, but I dont see CCP's actions of expanding to there, as being in support of them either. Im sure its a business decision, not a political one. Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.03.13 01:11:00 - [83] your right i know w0rmy its about the bottom line and generating more of the nice numbers. they do make money in europe though and a fair old wod of it and i guess in our capatalist world we enjoy the profit is the major driving force. but there are alot of other markets ccp could explore such as the korean market and such. but im no buisness man so im sure im flawed there some where. i just feel that every western company that goes into china does so without considering the moral implications above those of profit. and i really wonder if this is a world i wanna be apart of that consider the bottom line over basic human rights STAN FACTA NON VERBA [MACE] [ATUK] EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy!
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2006.03.13 01:30:00 - [84] hmm with more people they will need to hire a larger staff, at some point managing that many people has to be counterproductive. 50k is just the test server so imagine how many people will actually play - you will need 2 TQ clusters just to start. --------------------------------------------- <Make ECM Burst useful> ECM Burst Idea!
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.03.13 01:51:00 - [85] Originally by: pshepherd Try praising 0sama Bin Laden in America, see how far your "freedom of speech" will get you This statement right here caught my eye. In America, you DO have the right to praise Bin Laden, and some people do. It draws hatred from rational people, but IT HAPPENS and it IS permitted and even protected by law. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Copine Callmeknau	Posted - 2006.03.13 01:58:00 - [86] So according to a lot of people here, life in China is miserable and totalitarian. Now apparently CCP is evil for bringing some entertainment and happiness to these people. Right, that makes sense ------- With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.03.13 02:41:00 - [87] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii i just feel that every western company that goes into china does so without considering the moral implications above those of profit. and i really wonder if this is a world i wanna be apart of that consider the bottom line over basic human rights Would be nice, except there are no morals in big business. If there was, you probably wouldnt have ever heard of starbucks/nike/microsoft Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
fugazii	Posted - 2006.03.13 05:28:00 - [88] Originally by: LoxyRider Thank god for the seperate server. just wait. opening in china means big publicity in china for this game,....which means we'll see alot of farmers coming onto ths server. ; /
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.03.13 06:19:00 - [89] Originally by: fugazii Originally by: LoxyRider Thank god for the seperate server. just wait. opening in china means big publicity in china for this game,....which means we'll see alot of farmers coming onto ths server. ; / I believe Chinese players won't be allowed on Tranquility once Serenity comes online. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Atandros	Posted - 2006.03.13 08:06:00 - [90] Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 12/03/2006 22:06:51 Stan really is much more intelligent then he looks, I agree with more or less everything he has posted. Indeed. On the note of this specific issue, though. Like Copine Callmeknau said, CCP is really doing something good, they're adding to the game market albeit they're being hamstrung by the PRC dogs. That's a world apart from Yahoo handing over information on dissidents etc. ------- Want to know more about Jericho Fraction?



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