QQ cant lolgank as easily no moar :(

Dear CCP,

We, the industrial base and core players of EVE Online, are extremely elated at the removal of insurance payouts to losses caused by CONCORD, as seen here. We have demonstrated, in no uncertain terms, that realism in EVE Online is our foremost priority. This change is definitely a move in the right direction; a move surely to be appreciated by everyone who supports a balanced and morally-stimulating approach toward simulating real-life interaction within the confines of a videogame. However, to fully achieve this vision, further changes need to be made. They are as follows:

The Re-balancing of CONCORD's Physical Capabilities

It is fairly obvious that New Eden's official police force needs to be reworked, if it is to be a proper parallel of its real-life equivalent. We have conducted extensive research, and have determined that no police force in the world has a near-instant response time. Furthermore, we have determined that no police force has the absolute capability to catch every criminal, and to punish every crime. Finally, we have determined that the police is rarely concerned with seeing all criminal cases through to the end, and that many cases are quickly set aside and forgotten.

To that end, we ask that CONCORD ships have their combat capabilities brought in line with their factional navy counterparts; being attacked by CONCORD should no longer be the equivalent of a death trigger. CONCORD's response time should still be proportional to the prestige level of the victim, however this response time should be made longer across the board. We also ask that the evasion of CONCORD become a sanctioned game mechanic, as real-life police are never guaranteed to catch criminal perpetrators.

CONCORD should not be able to follow perps to safespots. A new gameplay mechanic should instead be added, whereby a pilot who spots someone who has recently committed a crime, would have the option to inform CONCORD of his location. We feel that we should, much like in real life, be responsible for our own safety, whether it is in the form of properly securing ourselves and our assets until the police can arrive, or in the form of helping the police catch criminals post-aggression.

The Re-balancing of CONCORD's Bureaucratic Integrity

CONCORD should not exist as an infallible bastion of morality, much like real-life police forces do not. When a person gets busted for possessing an Altoids tin full of a Class II substance, a bottle of fine liquor and a carton or two of cigarettes go a long way toward securing leniency. Similarly, CONCORD should be enticed to look the other way via the strategic placement of a few bundles of Interstellar Kredits.

Pod pilot criminals, being a lesser threat to the empires than pirate factions like the Guristas, should also be able to secure CONCORD favors by bringing them the tags dropped by pirate NPCs. After all, real-life cops are hesitant to bust their informants, even if those informants sometimes hold up bodegas or snatch purses; the big fish are more important.

Finally, we must not forget the very important aspect of having friends in high places. Be an important enough asset to your company, and your boss might just be willing to bring in his lawyers to bail you out of trouble when you, in a drunken stupor, plow your souped-up Civic through a bunch of geriatrics playing checkers on a sidewalk bench. Likewise, having good standings with an NPC agent/corporation that has a presence in the area where one commits a crime should mitigate CONCORD's fury. The threat of a good lawyer is not to be underestimated.



While we are sure that the above changes are not the final step in our quest to bring this game in line with reality, we feel that they are sufficient enough for the time being. They would definitely supplement the changes to insurance that were so desperately needed to make Pend Insurance properly mimic the operating protocols of real-life insurance firms. Please, CCP, continue on your current path, and finally realize your decade-long dream of creating a replica of genuine economic and social interaction.

Sincerely,
Your Core Customers: The Vast Majority, The Public Voice, and The Moral Pillar of EVE Online

Doesnt the lore for concord say that their ships were a combination of the best technology of the 4 empires plus a ton of jove tech?

Call it a hunch but concord is in line with the lore.

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No it does not. Its currently as powerful as it is because of the Zombies in Yulai incident.

Pod pilot criminals, being a lesser threat to the empires than pirate factions like the Guristas

Sincerely,
Destiny Corrupted

We, the industrial base and core players of EVE Online

It is fairly obvious that New Eden's official police force needs to be reworked, if it is to be a proper parallel of its real-life equivalent.

The rest of the post.

Doesnt the lore for concord say that their ships were a combination of the best technology of the 4 empires plus a ton of jove tech?

Call it a hunch but concord is in line with the lore.

I'm confused. Do we need more lore or less lore to protect the outlore from being overlored by the lore?

And does this therefore make the lore faulty if we do? I mean really, does the lore actually have a lore or is this just a lore lore we made up?

I am a hisec miner and industrialist. You do not speak for me and other industrialist that I know. You are obviously a weak little field mouse.

-1 to you.

Is suicide ganking indy ships PvP?

game mechanics do not allow podding vie can flipping, withoutn++ concord getting involved. If they did the whole bear population would cry enough tears to blot out the star in jita

Why wouldn't it be?

true it is.. by the general meaning both subjects are players...

However its neither fun nor competition its just kind of pointless for both sides.
Nobody gets any experience from such engagement. One party can get warm feeling but that's about sociopaths and their pets.
And the same party can actually get something towards his/her wallet.

Illogical, ''sociopathic'' actions make sense considering the point of EVE (a game) is actually entertainment.
It's fun for the ganker at least, else it wouldn't happen.

Ok i agree, however you forgot one thing

In reality Police is investigating and once they find out who it was, which in this case is quite easy.. you see that ************ on grid so you can perfectly say it was him/her, they hunt the criminal across the country, which in case of EVE would be whole Universe exclude null.

And no sec. status improvement should have anything to do with it.. once you commit crime you die and then die and then some more.

CONCORD hunt would be fullfilled once you lose 200 times more than you took away.

proving my point. Its fun for the player not the character in game. Else it would not happen.
The person is "real", fun is "real". But thats bean beated allready so leave it at that. Doesnt matter as long as you dont count it.

But the OP wrote a wall of text excluding any real life example of how Police, in this case Criminal Police work at any socialistic country and chose poorly the fault of the police department elsewhere as an point that CONCORD is too "powerfull"

In some countries POLICE will just shot your family, your neighbors, bomb your city until you get nowhere to go and nobody will help you out of fear that they would be next.

Two quick points:

1. That's not how real-life police functions anyway. Real-life justice systems will look the other way if you have power/influence, or if you're of use to them.

2. We already have this form of punishment in the form of negative security status. It takes quite a bit of time to fix your security status, in terms of game time. You can hardly outlaw someone for two decades for an EVE gank. Time in games is compressed, and events happen faster than in real life. A few days of punishment is good enough for EVE online.

It's fun for the character who, as an immortal *******, is probably ten THOUSAND times more jaded and prone to taking 'illogical'' actions than a regular anonymous internet bully to get his rocks off. Heck, there are probably some capsuleers that have a cloning fetish.

And fun is that after i read it i first was looking at some kind of "hidden" insult. And i wanted to write that i am not looking for fight.

Then i realise this is not the case.. I should take an break from forums.

Maybe that would be a good next step? Also have Concord pod gankers?

Unfortunately, forums are also non-consensual PVP.

I wasn't insulting anybody, just stating the fact that you can't unilaterally decide what our characters should consider ''fun''.

For the luls, yes CONCORD should pod them and regardless if your updated or not you loose SP because CONCORD is packing a "mumbo-jumbo scrambler that disrupts the cloning procedure". Why should they feel safe crossing into highsec in just a pod? Its a cold harsh universe out there and lock times of player ships are just to slow, CONCORD ships should reinforce that harsh universe as a reminder of what kind of life style the aggressive pilot gets to play by being able to pod other complacement players .

Yeah, will never happen but god would it be funny if it did

We need mo ho's (not u wannabe girls either) and less forum tripe please.

What was the question?

Thanks

If concord is to become more like its real life equivalent then I need to be able to bribe them with space donuts to look the other way, as well as call up my space lawyer to sue concord to pay for my ship destroyed by unlawful use of force. On that note, they should only then be allowed to disable and impound ships rather than destroy them. Also concord would have to be restricted to using only the old model of gallente navy comets.

ONLY and i reiterate ONLY if ALL industrials get a tank buff would your idea be feasable.

However [ganking indy ships is] neither fun nor competition its just kind of pointless for both sides.

Who decides what it is pointless for one side or the other, you?

Some people do it for the LOLs. Some people for the cargo and profits. Some people do it for revenge. It's never a pointless activity for at least one side of the equation, else they wouldn't bother to do it at all.

I ganked a Mackinaw the other day. I was doing it for the LOLs and to earn my first gank. Then a Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster dropped worth 55M ISK. So it was doubly worth my while ... for the LOLs and for the bling.

Dear CCP,

We, the industrial base and core players of EVE Online, are extremely elated at the removal of insurance payouts to losses caused by CONCORD, as seen here. We have demonstrated, in no uncertain terms, that realism in EVE Online is our foremost priority. This change is definitely a move in the right direction; a move surely to be appreciated by everyone who supports a balanced and morally-stimulating approach toward simulating real-life interaction within the confines of a videogame. However, to fully achieve this vision, further changes need to be made. They are as follows:

The Re-balancing of CONCORD's Physical Capabilities

It is fairly obvious that New Eden's official police force needs to be reworked, if it is to be a proper parallel of its real-life equivalent. We have conducted extensive research, and have determined that no police force in the world has a near-instant response time. Furthermore, we have determined that no police force has the absolute capability to catch every criminal, and to punish every crime. Finally, we have determined that the police is rarely concerned with seeing all criminal cases through to the end, and that many cases are quickly set aside and forgotten.

To that end, we ask that CONCORD ships have their combat capabilities brought in line with their factional navy counterparts; being attacked by CONCORD should no longer be the equivalent of a death trigger. CONCORD's response time should still be proportional to the prestige level of the victim, however this response time should be made longer across the board. We also ask that the evasion of CONCORD become a sanctioned game mechanic, as real-life police are never guaranteed to catch criminal perpetrators.

CONCORD should not be able to follow perps to safespots. A new gameplay mechanic should instead be added, whereby a pilot who spots someone who has recently committed a crime, would have the option to inform CONCORD of his location. We feel that we should, much like in real life, be responsible for our own safety, whether it is in the form of properly securing ourselves and our assets until the police can arrive, or in the form of helping the police catch criminals post-aggression.

The Re-balancing of CONCORD's Bureaucratic Integrity

CONCORD should not exist as an infallible bastion of morality, much like real-life police forces do not. When a person gets busted for possessing an Altoids tin full of a Class II substance, a bottle of fine liquor and a carton or two of cigarettes go a long way toward securing leniency. Similarly, CONCORD should be enticed to look the other way via the strategic placement of a few bundles of Interstellar Kredits.

Pod pilot criminals, being a lesser threat to the empires than pirate factions like the Guristas, should also be able to secure CONCORD favors by bringing them the tags dropped by pirate NPCs. After all, real-life cops are hesitant to bust their informants, even if those informants sometimes hold up bodegas or snatch purses; the big fish are more important.

Finally, we must not forget the very important aspect of having friends in high places. Be an important enough asset to your company, and your boss might just be willing to bring in his lawyers to bail you out of trouble when you, in a drunken stupor, plow your souped-up Civic through a bunch of geriatrics playing checkers on a sidewalk bench. Likewise, having good standings with an NPC agent/corporation that has a presence in the area where one commits a crime should mitigate CONCORD's fury. The threat of a good lawyer is not to be underestimated.



While we are sure that the above changes are not the final step in our quest to bring this game in line with reality, we feel that they are sufficient enough for the time being. They would definitely supplement the changes to insurance that were so desperately needed to make Pend Insurance properly mimic the operating protocols of real-life insurance firms. Please, CCP, continue on your current path, and finally realize your decade-long dream of creating a replica of genuine economic and social interaction.

Sincerely,
Your Core Customers: The Vast Majority, The Public Voice, and The Moral Pillar of EVE Online

Two quick points:

1. That's not how real-life police functions anyway. Real-life justice systems will look the other way if you have power/influence, or if you're of use to them.

2. We already have this form of punishment in the form of negative security status. It takes quite a bit of time to fix your security status, in terms of game time. You can hardly outlaw someone for two decades for an EVE gank. Time in games is compressed, and events happen faster than in real life. A few days of punishment is good enough for EVE online.

Then you, and the people you know, obviously do not represent the majority. Your opinions are of no significance. Either that, or you are simply too inept to understand the importance of the things we are fighting for. To say that we do not speak for you would show extreme puerility on your part.

So, what will it be, irrelevance or ignorance?

You said you speak for the industrial and core player base. I'm saying you don't speak for me and you don't speak for those I associate with. Don't be so arrogant as to presume you speak for everyone, especially the core player base.

If I want to be heard, I'll speak up. If those I associate with want to be heard, they'll speak up. But we don't need someone like you to assume just because you think we're quiet that we need you to speak for us.

So what will it be, arrogance or ignorance?

Who decides what is pointless for one side or the other, you?

Some people do it for the LOLs. Some people for the cargo and profits. Some people do it for revenge. It's never a pointless activity for at least one side of the equation, else they wouldn't bother to do it at all.

I ganked a Mackinaw the other day. I was doing it for the LOLs and to earn my first gank. Then a Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster dropped worth 55M ISK. So it was doubly worth my while ... for the LOLs and for the bling.

Another quality thread.

This is what eve is all about new players.

Someone getting butt hurt and composing a long winded drivel type mail on the forums about how awful something is.

Be it DD Wiping out support in the push of one button meaning the attackers have to log off or lose their capitals, the fact space ships could out run missiles all day long, to modules that had zero cap to activate sucked the targets cap or.

250km ECM ninjas being forced to actually get within locking range of their prey was the last good thread of this ilk.

Quality whine OP

Spirit of eve is strong

...We, the industrial base and core players of EVE Online...

I should know better than expect carebears not to get trolled.

Y'all are ********, if you thought the OP was serious, well... classic carebear response, amirite?

Those are wonderful suggestions, but I think you are missing a few things.

The consequences on committing a crime should reflect real world as well. In addition to your punishment in jail, you should be forced to reimburse all the damages caused.

If this was implemented along with your suggestions, I would vote for them

Sure, as long as CCP also implements the ability to launder the money earned from criminal deeds, so that when damages are awarded, they come from someone who outwardly can't afford to pay them. Whether it makes sense to waste lawyer money going after someone who just declared bankruptcy is up for the victim to decide. Oh right, we'll need to implement lawyers too. And how about a bail system for the jails, where my friends can pay for my release, enabling me to immediately tail it out, and then get the bail money back through corruption funneling. Sounds good? We can even add high-profile CONCORD officer assassinations and family kidnappings.