I think that there needs to be a game mechanism shift, not so much in suicide ganking, but the ability to retaliate against them.

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

As often happens in this game, you are looking at things through too narrow a focus.

If you believe that you can sit out in the asteroid belt in your efficient rock-melting machine, ignoring everyone else until someone "messes with the wrong guy!" and ganks you and THEN go all Liam Neesom on them, you will continue to be as disappointed as you are impotent (in the general meaning of the word.)

Ganks can be avoided. Ganks can be disrupted. Ganks can be discouraged. But ganks cannot, in most cases, be avenged on the ganker himself.

The reason for this is in both the nature and the detail of the event. The actual arrival of the ganker on top of you has been preceeded by a long chain of events, each of which has to be performed fairly competently, and then the gank itself has to be carried out in an extremely tight time window before the 100% certainty of the arrival of CONCORD brings things to a close.

Avoid the gank by not being there when it arrives (watch local for one thing). Disrupt the gank by mining with a Griffin pilot on grid. Discourage the gank by putting some tank in those lows. But don't expect you can ignore this good advice and then start yelling "I pity the fool!" in local as you pod away from your asploded wreck.

Not everything in Eve can be settled by throwing down the gloves. Miners win when they get their ore safely to station. (Obligatory advice to buy a permit and follow the Code).

I can assure you that the gankers are not afraid of the miners coming after them. In fact, they welcome it.

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

Mate, you cant tell anything about a persons stance on ganking from their SEC status. My -8 comes from pvp in lowsec, not from killing miners. (I have on occasion, to pass the time, but only a few.)

Many true gankers rep their SEC status often as to be able to gatecamp or such in hisec.

The characters that I have been seeing have had -10 sec status pretty much constant around my staging area. Been wondering how they even get through gate/station guns.

The characters that I have been seeing have had -10 sec status pretty much constant around my staging area. Been wondering how they even get through gate/station guns.

The only thing you can do is interdict the gank itself. Kind of a pointless pursuit, although perhaps fun. I would suggest an arty nado or cane and just camp -10 characters in station. I don't expect it to be effective if they're competent however.

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

Any ganker worth his salt will have an instaundock at almost every station in the sector. You wont be camping them with much effectiveness.

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

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TL;DR

I think that there needs to be a game mechanism shift, not so much in suicide ganking, but the ability to retaliate against them.

summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

concord will hover in your belt for what, an hour? giving you free security.

technically illigal? yes. Do i care if you do it, if it frustrates gankers? no. In fact, tears from gankers for a change, crying how carebears exploiting concord to protect themselves, boo hoo, wouyd be sweet to hear.

summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

Hilariously, pulling CONCORD to your own belt in such a fashion is considered an exploit and is a bannable offence.

CCP's reasoning is that CONCORD exist to offer retribution for unprovoked aggression, not as a personal protection fleet.

Hilariously, pulling CONCORD to your own belt in such a fashion is considered an exploit and is a bannable offence.

CCP's reasoning is that CONCORD exist to offer retribution for unprovoked aggression, not as a personal protection fleet.