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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:48:00 -
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Anyway so i'm sat there in ***** thinking.
Here we have the Fountain Alliance, The Stain Alliance, The Venal Alliance (although its kinda sorta messed up), Us (Sinister Russian Cows).
We are like the major players in eve, sure there are others but they just tend to whine a lot, roleplay and act like people care about them.
Anyway back to my point, I was thinking... These major players in eve are totally ignored by the story line. We have this stupid peace conference supposedly going on at the same time as a HUGE war breaks out all around the unvirse between tti and everyone else. We have some corps who are stupidly carrying on this minmattar/amaar hatred whilst 99% of corps are so mixed in their racial makeup they dont know what they are.
I guess my point is the storyline has actually sweet FA (see what i did there eheheh) to do with what ACTUALLY happens in the game.
When I first signed on for this boat I thought instead of these stupid alliances with names like stain, fountain, venal, I would be seeing alliances with names like Caldari, Amaar and Gallente... Am I alone here? Totally WAY off the mark?
I realise however that its far to late to actually fix the situation now with regarsd to racial tensinos and wars etc, due to the mixed nature of most corps ingame (I mean look at that athule snamm guy, one of the biggest roleplayers in the game, self proclaimed minmattar hater, yet in his alliance there are TONS of minmattars!?!?! i mean COME ONE PEOPLE)
What I would like to see however is the story taking a bit more notice (and indeed the whole community relations stuff from the devs down through polaris events team -whats left of it)of what ACTUALLY happens in the universe.
Anyway yeah what do you think?
Tell me and i might even care..
Stav
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:53:00 -
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I agree, Uncle.
There should be a dichotomy between the prime fiction and the player-controlled actions.
It'd require more attempts at roleplaying though or the resulting news items etc would be a hollow sham.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:54:00 -
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I agree with that point of view. (Wait, did I just agree with a pirate?) I expected more of that sort of interaction when I started too. There was more of that in the beginning but it was taken away by things that I have mentioned in other threads. I would like to see racial diversity and such to compliment the corp diversity. It would allow the storyline to flow much better and give value to the race and career you select in the beginning.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Iece Quaan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:56:00 -
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Well, one explanation might be that the Empire dosen't care about what goes on in the lawless regions. You're just all pirate scum ( to them ) who are beating the crap out of each other.
Good arrangement for them, means you aren't raiding their territory.
On the other hand, it should get worked into the storyline somehow, I mean, theoretically you could all unite and threaten the very fabric of Empire space ( like the Clan Wars in Mechwarrior ).
However, the real reason it isn't making it into the storyline is because it's not under CCP's control. They can't dictate what you do, and why would they let one group of players decide on how the storyline progresses? I mean, who knows what you maniacs might do =P
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:57:00 -
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I can almost hear the screams..
anyway,
I expect the storyline to take off with the repercussions that war brings with it.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Seotatop Dehsam
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:58:00 -
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Player actions effecting the story would be great, but it might not take us to some of the events that the Dev team has planed for us.
And, when ever they report on player news, they get accused of supporting one side/corp/alliance more than the other =/
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:58:00 -
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Who cares about what's going on in 0.0?
I 'stupidly' care about what's going on within the Empire for one.
Your lille part of the show is no more or less important than what the 'stupid' roleplayers do. It's all a matter of perspective...
Maybe you feel better in the knowledge that the 'stupid roleplayers' are largely ignored, too, though ;)
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Seotatop Dehsam
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:00:00 -
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why would they let one group of players decide on how the storyline progresses?
because eve is supposed to be dynamic
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:02:00 -
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The whole idea behind roleplaying is to influence a story... player influence would happend regardless, unless all the story was, was a set of posts of the weeks.
No sorry, but i feel player interaction is what players want and i agree CCP need to "intertwine" it with player based events.
I mean maybe CCP can come up with a good reason why everyone hates TTI, or is it because you fear our lawyers? 
-Necro
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:03:00 -
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The best stories are always about the battle between good (Everlasting Vendetta), the bad (M0O/Sinister et al), and the Ugly (Skillz).
Unless they're about Gunther the washing machine tech who makes ridiculous puns about fixing Dolly's waterworks then shagging her senseless over said washing machine.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:06:00 -
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Oh btw, i'd like to see more of this Amarr vs Minmatar engagement. However it has _NO_ relevance to eve. How can i say that? Well let me put it back into perspective for you fella.
If the Minmatar decimated the Amarr or the Amarr anally penertrated the Minmatar it would have no significance to anyone what so ever. I'd still be mining and fighting the same people i do. m0o/rus/sinister would still camp in curse and Stavr0s would still be a retard.
However, m0o/rus/sinisters actions in Fountain (insigificant in your opinion) effects a significant proportion of players in the universe, certainly a much higher margin than the Amarr/Minmatar "food fight" that you participat in.
I did not mean tocause offense, but to put the point across bluntly. So forgive me if i annoyed u somewhat.
-Necro
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Ayar Cachi
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:09:00 -
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This is a valid point.
I've mentioned in a few other forums (ok, one) that the *real* EVE history/story is that which is created by the *players*. That is what is interesting and it's dynamic and real in the sense that it develops naturally. Plus it affects my char directly (er, well, I try to keep it from affecting him  ). I keep going through FD-MLJ without paying attention.
As a player, I'm more interested in the real politics (ie that involve actual player characters) than fictious politics that involve some pre-conceived story. Are shoe-horns a Trade Item?
I find artificial injection of tangentally-related stories that don't involve actual player political organizations, actual player corps, nor anything else related to the actual players, *contrived*.
This is why I like, say, the EVE Guardian interesting!! News about real events!! Yes, some of them have m0o in them. Oh, and the pre-conceived "future history" stuff is covered too.
I like the naturally developing story of EVE. Crowbars to force some other story doesn't seem very attractive. Integrating the two would be cool (destroy the dichotomy).
You know, the histories of the Alliances read very much like the histories of Kanid, and in some cases (VA?) a bit like Sansha's Nation.
Content from the developer should take the form of background foundation upon which the player-driven story develops--POI's, faction changes and implications, news item introductions, resource biases (that will drive a story for sure), getting rid of Empire security everywhere (yay! new player roles! yay! less lag! yay! ship demand way up!) etc.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 08/09/2003 20:13:57
Ayar, bang on fella.
Oh by the way, Eve Guardian, looks impressive, i'll bookmark it :)
-Necro
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Kennian
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:16:00 -
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in a press conference in yulai, Concord representitives declare that the threat of pirate corperations such as M0o, and other large military forces can no longer be ignored, a combination fleet of Concord, and empire ships are being orgenized to wipe thes threat from the face of the galaxy and make the universe a safer place to live and work..
now, do you REALY want the npcs to realize you exist?
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:16:00 -
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Look at it this way:
The "major players" as you have put it, have put aside the petty differences between races and empires, and chosen to persue a higher goal : PROFIT.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Ayar Cachi
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:21:00 -
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Hey Necro...
I think the Amarr vs Minmatar thing would be really interesting if players could "raid" and such in each others' Empire Space.
The stiffling Security Status system (or rather, the Empire-forces-everywhere-instantaneously system) not only creates lag (G-D 12 cops milling around some gates, bah) but it hinders player-driven content in EVE a *lot*. Well, IMO, that is.
Letters of Mark and Reprisal ! heh.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:25:00 -
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The Pirates would just whine when, due to their actions, CONCORD assembled a super fleet....completely and totally wiping out said Pirates.
It's happened before.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tharrn on 08/09/2003 20:26:20
The Amarr vs. Minmatar thing would be interesting if the major RP Min/Amarr players (irrelevant as they may be in comparison to his magnificence Stavr0s himself) would be involved...
The Emperor is gone, some say assassinated. PIE has made clear that they'd throw their ships in for his protection. Either the 'storyline' is pure fiction the players can't influence (which would be a very bad thing) or a selected few actually play it. Variant 1 appears to be more likely :/
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LittleFu
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:30:00 -
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A Storyline about PK`s camping 2 Gates all of the time...?
Maybe if I cant sleep....
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:33:00 -
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Just had another thought, actually...
The m0o members I've seen have openly, and in an overly-hostile fashion, moaned about how "Roleplay sux" and it's for "stupid n00bs".
And these are the same people wanting their actions to effect the storyline?
This is why, in my opinion, the Jovians if, and possibly when, they become open to Players have a very strict, carefully thought out selection process.
Not sure about you guys but I'd rather not have some "I am 1337 kiddy who pwns everyone" behind the controls of a Jove battleship.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:35:00 -
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Stav must have finally sold his account because not only was I able to understand it, IT MADE SENSE!!
Hardy-har, seriously, I agree with you. I also signed on thinking that this INCREDIBLE back story with richly detailed histories, racial/empire conflicts, navys, disputed territories, ect, ect. would be the driving source in this game.
But none of that has ever materialized. The signifigance of any of the empires in the game means NOTHING. I can go anywhere I please, fly any ship I want, and have any race in my corp. The only Empire presence in the game is the different navies who provide some eye-candy at the various gates. And that seems like a big waste. If I was the guy who OBVIOUSLY spent a lot of time coming up with all of that great history of conflict between the empires, I'd be seriously ****ed.
Fortunately for us, WE have taken it upon ourselves to create the game content. So everyone listening who has ever done anything to "shake up" the game, please give yourself a hand. Because without us, this would be a mining/NPC pirate resouce gatherer with a chat window.
If CCP does decide to eventually implement actual strife between the Empires, it will have to compete with the player driven conflicts. And it better be good or else no one will participate.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:35:00 -
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I believe that the content should be both player and non-player driven. We in one sense can't create all the story because we are playing in world that CCP created for us. The non-player story could and will have enormous impact on the game, much more so than a couple alliances outside the empire.
Imagine a Minmatar/Amarr war in which people could shoot opposing race characters or ships inside their sovereignty without a sec hit. It would change which players went to which regions and what ships they flew. Imagine Amarr Navy helping you attack corps with Minmatar ceo's or such. Forget just dealing with Concord, the navies would be fighting their own battles with people.
I can hear the whining now, hehehe.
Those events and storyline changes would have a huge impact and would also require large supplies of things provided to the npc's as far as trading goes. Tell me how any of that would not be impacting the way you think about the world you live and trade in. It wouldn't require you to attend events that you don't want to. You won't be forced to fly with a Minmatar freedom force just as much as you dont have to go to real war unless you are in the military. But it will make you consider the political situation of your surroundings.
Player content has a big part of the game dynamics too but it could never be as large on a global scale as the prime fiction element of the game. It would be meaningful on a local scale to know whether or not some pirate is blockading a gate but I'd rather take my chances with a pirate than with any navy in the game. Our content adds to the flavor of the universe not determines it. We do not create the atmosphere, we merely operate in it.
I know that several people will probably disagree with that but it isn't something that we control but rather it in the end controls us. We have chosen to operate in this system, not to create our own system.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:39:00 -
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yet again its clear the average eve player is about as intelligent as a carrot.
I wasnt talking about US affecting the game so much, more my point, was that there was NOTHING about the venal/tti war and that NOTHING ANY PLAYER has done has effected the storyline in anyway.
We just log in and see these stupid msg's posted on an irregular basis...
Oooh some emperor didn't turn up for some meeting OH WOW LETS ALL err yeah lets all do what? its MEANINGLESS....
On a side note I am fed up with you idiots that assume that I care nothing for the game except for camping my gates and killing people.
I understand all aspects of eve better than most, the economic, political and pvp sides.
Also isnt funny how most the whiners who come here to blab on the forums are all small fry? I havent even heard of most of these self-confessed pirate hates, who automatically flame any most that a pirate posts in with 'OMG I HATE PIRATES SUX MY NUTZ U ALL R TEH****S' or words to that effect.
Stav
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Davian Windspear
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:40:00 -
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True Alexia,
and when there is roleplaying involving moo they cry. Like when the special ops came after them and toasted thier asses. If there is roleplaying it should be that the governments offer massive payments everytime a law abiding citizen (+1.0 and up) shoots down a moo ship. Caus they caus so much greif. That would be roleplaying i would like to see |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 08/09/2003 20:44:08
idiots, the special ops as you called it was hardly roleplaying, it was an ooc event.
We had no hope to do anything back to them and we were hugely outgunned at that point in the game.
Personally i'd like to see them try it again, anyway this post has FA to do with m0o and FA to do with pirates, what it is to do with is storyline and how it relates to what is ACTUALLY happening in eve. If you megre intellects can't stretch to such an interesting discussion they why don't you just go and donate your opinion to one of the other flame threads, because it isn't wanted here.
Cheers
Stav
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:45:00 -
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We had no hope to do anything back to them and we were hugely outgunned at that point in the game.
Much like when your members deliberately lagged up the servers and attacked people who, in effect, were outgunned?
As I keep saying...
When Pirates get "pwned" you hear the worst drivel and crappest excuses.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:50:00 -
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Sorry...gotta side with Stavros on this one. Why? Simple.
The Emperor's disappearance. Tell me how you get involved with that part of the story.
Wanna get involved with the FA/VA/SA/KA? We all know the 'playas' in those. We all know how to contact them. We all know how to get involved with them.
So between the Emperor's Missing Clothes and Stavros Missing Dialect, which one can you get involved with and has immediate effects on your day to day gaming? The story you read about or the one you can participate in?
As for the 'Race War', forget it. A Race War would mean I could kill Amarr with impunity and without the involvement of Concord. That's the nightmare of too many of you: Concord not protecting you.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:53:00 -
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Sorry...gotta side with Stavros on this one.
Heathen!
*Hiss, scratch...etc*
I'm all for a dynamic storyline, but just how "dynamic" should it be?
In my opinion, non-Roleplayers (Especially those who insult RP'ers at any chance they get) should have no right to complain about a static world.
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Davian Windspear
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:54:00 -
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It was roleplaying dumb ass. You were camping a caldari system they came as special ops and kicked your ass. If it had not been roleplaying they would have banned you or warped you out.
But i hear what you are saying, you are such a sad thing that you could never face losing in this game as you lose enough in life. You dont want roleplaying around you if its risky.
So basically you want the news to be about you!! Even though you are already in the forums so when we want to hear about whats going on in the EVE galaxy we can come here.
But no you want it repeated in the intro screen. You dont want the news of the background to the storyline there...
P.S. have you not thought that the news items might be cleverly disguised events or build ups to events?
No thought not, your too busy studying the keyboard to see what number is nearest to a B oohh look its an 8 !! wow  8ugg3r3r of c0ws |
Zen Later
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:01:00 -
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Wow Stavros...nice post.
I would also agree, with the amount of player involvement in the game, the size of some of the corporations in this game now, the scale of some of the engagements (especially in the very recent past) the back story to this game could become what's going on in this game.
Think about all the different corp wars and goings on being covered...not to steal any thunder from the various alliances and goings on of late but other folks do also play this game.
Stavros brings up a valid point, I'd also like to see current events in the mix. This doesn't mean do away with the backstories and "events" like they have been, but it's more a why not add what's going on in the game. Again, these are real events that are really going on day-in-and-day-out that you can actually witness and/or be a participant in (if you dare).
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