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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.28 00:37:00 -
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So I was doing a Caldari COSMOS mission in Otomainen and suddenly 5 guys are next to me blowing stuff up and I get a message telling me that they are going to steal the item I need to complete my mission. With 5 of them they did manage to loot the mission item before me. I need this item to continue my mission chain. The lowest price is 500 million in contracts for the item so I don't really want to have to buy it.
Is there anyway I could reset my mission or something? Someone suggested I wait till downtime and do the mission again but someone else told me that I couldn't get the item again. What can I do about this? The mission is Lost lost - Wei Todaki "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
45
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Posted - 2013.12.28 01:27:00 -
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Princess someone stole your item i assume?
Anyhow wait for downtime, if it doesn't respawn file a petition and state in a very nice and polite manner that your mission didn't respawn at downtime.
Meaning if you wait till the next day and warp to the location and nothing is there it hasn't respawned.
So you'd say something like:
Hello,
Yesterday 12/27/2013 I did not complete my mission. When I warp there today nothing is present. Could you please reset it for me please?
Thank you.
If it doesn't work you are out of luck. Last I checked they were in 100k ehp ships in newbie corps making any sort of defense impossible.
Oh and don't talk to / argue with them in local, it won't help and if you say something while riled up it could have negative consequences. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2013.12.28 02:06:00 -
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Xurr wrote:Princess someone stole your item i assume?
Anyhow wait for downtime, if it doesn't respawn file a petition and state in a very nice and polite manner that your mission didn't respawn at downtime.
Meaning if you wait till the next day and warp to the location and nothing is there it hasn't respawned.
So you'd say something like:
Hello,
Yesterday 12/27/2013 I did not complete my mission. When I warp there today nothing is present. Could you please reset it for me please?
Thank you.
If it doesn't work you are out of luck. Last I checked they were in 100k ehp ships in newbie corps making any sort of defense impossible.
Oh and don't talk to / argue with them in local, it won't help and if you say something while riled up it could have negative consequences.
yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends.
thanks for the suggestion. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1703
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Posted - 2013.12.28 02:18:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote: yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends.
thanks for the suggestion.
If you don't want to go after him yourself, hire someone like Noir. to b!tchslap him and his alts a few dozen times. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2013.12.28 03:55:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Nerf Burger wrote: yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends.
thanks for the suggestion.
If you don't want to go after him yourself, hire someone like Noir. to b!tchslap him and his alts a few dozen times.
Its a nice thought but I don't know how they would do that seeing that his ever-present spy is in an npc corp. : / "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Spud Lazair
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.12.28 10:58:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:So I was doing a Caldari COSMOS mission in Otomainen and suddenly 5 guys are next to me blowing stuff up and I get a message telling me that they are going to steal the item I need to complete my mission. With 5 of them they did manage to loot the mission item before me. I need this item to continue my mission chain. The lowest price is 500 million in contracts for the item so I don't really want to have to buy it.
Is there anyway I could reset my mission or something? Someone suggested I wait till downtime and do the mission again but someone else told me that I couldn't get the item again. Are there missions that won't reset on downtime if someone steals your item? What can I do about this? The mission is Lost love - Wei Todaki
what is it you need? i have a few items left over from the cosmos missions, i got bored with doing them |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:48:00 -
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Spud Lazair wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:So I was doing a Caldari COSMOS mission in Otomainen and suddenly 5 guys are next to me blowing stuff up and I get a message telling me that they are going to steal the item I need to complete my mission. With 5 of them they did manage to loot the mission item before me. I need this item to continue my mission chain. The lowest price is 500 million in contracts for the item so I don't really want to have to buy it.
Is there anyway I could reset my mission or something? Someone suggested I wait till downtime and do the mission again but someone else told me that I couldn't get the item again. Are there missions that won't reset on downtime if someone steals your item? What can I do about this? The mission is Lost love - Wei Todaki what is it you need? i have a few items left over from the cosmos missions, i got bored with doing them
Wei Todaki?
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy The Obsidian Front
233
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:54:00 -
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Does he not go suspect doing this? |
Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
45
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:00:00 -
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:Does he not go suspect doing this?
They only go suspect AFTER stealing the item. So if they align out then steal it, which they do, you can't do crap. |
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy The Obsidian Front
233
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:08:00 -
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Doesn't seem like there is a defense then? Unless you bring alts alpha and get concorded. |
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Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
46
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:12:00 -
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There really isn't a defense. You'd have to suicide gank dominixes / gilas.
Due to the length of the mission being probed out is a near certainty. A hard to probe tengu would have to be there for over an hour making it almost certain to be probed out in that time. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1020
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:55:00 -
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Xurr wrote:There really isn't a defense.
Don't do the mission with combat probes on d-scan I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
46
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Posted - 2013.12.28 18:00:00 -
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dexington wrote:Xurr wrote:There really isn't a defense. Don't do the mission with combat probes on d-scan
It doesn't matter, it takes 45+ mins |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
266
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Posted - 2013.12.28 18:38:00 -
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And the guy who stole your mission loot is prolly the same guy (via alt) selling it for 500mil. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1021
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:23:00 -
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Xurr wrote:dexington wrote:Xurr wrote:There really isn't a defense. Don't do the mission with combat probes on d-scan It doesn't matter, it takes 45+ mins
you need to keep scanning for probes and warp out if you see any. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19109
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:39:00 -
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Bummer.
That mission objective is in the 2nd part of Zabonn Michi's 3 part mission series which is also used in part 3. The rewards for completing that series is 1x Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device I, 1x Hardwiring Implant - Michi's Excavation Augmentor, a large Faction standing increase and some ISK.
I think when the NPC Wei Todaki's ship is destroyed the mission is flagged as completed. I don't remember exactly. Since the mission location is not in a static DED Cosmos Complex best check your Mission Journal and see if it shows 'Objective Completed'.
If it doesn't show that, then the mission site will respawn after DT. A couple of friends fleeted will help complete the multi-room location quickly, hopefully before any mission invasion happens again.
Now if it does show as completed, hopefully a GM will reset the mission (50/50 chance) and you'll once again have to take a chance with the mission invasion.
Last and probably the best, albeit expensive but certainly the safest, is to just buy the mission objective from contracts and be done with it.
Good luck.
DMC |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
140
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Posted - 2013.12.28 23:19:00 -
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Thanks for the suggestions.
A GM did reset the mission for me and I waited for princess to go to sleep and did it at 4 am. His alt however, was in the system full time so I could not let up on mashing my d-scanner every second. I took me several hours longer than it should have, having to warp out several times because of the frequent combat probes on D-scan, but finally manage to get my Wei.
I expect to be spamming d-scan in low and null but to have to do it in high-sec as well to keep people from being able to **** with you and having to warp and and wait for what could be hours is kind of ridiculous. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19110
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Posted - 2013.12.28 23:26:00 -
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Gratz for completing that while mission invaders were trying to probe you down.
Enjoy your rewards, you definitely earned them.
DMC |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1023
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Posted - 2013.12.29 00:04:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:I expect to be spamming d-scan in low and null but to have to do it in high-sec as well to keep people from being able to **** with you and having to warp and and wait for what could be hours is kind of ridiculous.
It's a high security system, it's not total safety. People can **** with you in hi-sec, just as they can in low-sec, and when there is a reward of +1B you better expect people to do so. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
112
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Posted - 2013.12.29 06:34:00 -
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You can just open a ticket and a GM will restart that mission for you. Taking mission specific objects is considered griefing. Taking mission loot is considered good times. |
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Arec Bardwin
1233
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Posted - 2013.12.29 21:28:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends. You wouldn't happen to have the names of the other participants? Just curious. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1024
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:08:00 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends. You wouldn't happen to have the names of the other participants? Just curious.
King, Queen and Prince Achaja :) I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Shadow Preldent
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
0
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:56:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:So I was doing a Caldari COSMOS mission in Otomainen and suddenly 5 guys are next to me blowing stuff up and I get a message telling me that they are going to steal the item I need to complete my mission. With 5 of them they did manage to loot the mission item before me. I need this item to continue my mission chain. The lowest price is 500 million in contracts for the item so I don't really want to have to buy it.
Is there anyway I could reset my mission or something? Someone suggested I wait till downtime and do the mission again but someone else told me that I couldn't get the item again. Are there missions that won't reset on downtime if someone steals your item? What can I do about this? The mission is Lost love - Wei Todaki
Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
825
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Posted - 2013.12.30 11:40:00 -
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Shadow Preldent wrote: Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.
So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.
That seems fair to you?
I think fair is getting the mission changed so the item is dropped in cargo by the agent (or whatever magical fairy concoction needed to pay the suspension of disbelief) when it completes, either in the field or back at the agents location. If they want to steal loot there are plenty of wrecks left in system, they can have their pick. But mission specific items (particularly Cosmos) should be locked so only the mission accepting pilot can acquire them.
Leave the race for loot in anomalies, and out of standings related mission chains.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2013.12.30 16:02:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Shadow Preldent wrote: Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.
So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain. That seems fair to you? I think fair is getting the mission changed so the item is dropped in cargo by the agent (or whatever magical fairy concoction needed to pay the suspension of disbelief) when it completes, either in the field or back at the agents location. If they want to steal loot there are plenty of wrecks left in system, they can have their pick. But mission specific items (particularly Cosmos) should be locked so only the mission accepting pilot can acquire them. Leave the race for loot in anomalies, and out of standings related mission chains.
It does seem kind of unfair someone can **** on you so easily after all that hard work you have put in, not to mention screw you over for the rest of the chain(s). Honestly, I have been waiting over a year to do that mission because I knew it was hard and I knew I would need high skills to do it. Nobody had ever stole my mission items before, I didn't even know people could do that before now.
If you want names, main perpetrators I saw. These are the ones trying to sell Wei Todaki in contracts. Princess Achaja (alt) Princess Finena NaiX Scandal
Others I saw in my mission trying to steal it. RUSSBOY, MinNet associates: Galigor, Farkoth, Ragnar D IX
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Shadow Preldent
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
0
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Posted - 2013.12.30 18:34:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:
So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.
That seems fair to you?
I think fair is getting the mission changed so the item is dropped in cargo by the agent (or whatever magical fairy concoction needed to pay the suspension of disbelief) when it completes, either in the field or back at the agents location. If they want to steal loot there are plenty of wrecks left in system, they can have their pick. But mission specific items (particularly Cosmos) should be locked so only the mission accepting pilot can acquire them.
Leave the race for loot in anomalies, and out of standings related mission chains.
When I log onto Eve I don't expect anything to be fair. If Princess took Wei from you and just destroyed her then you might have a case for griefing.
As it is, you still make 700 Million out of the mission which still makes it a very profitable mission for you. If you don't want to pay the 500 Million then break out your combat probes and steal someone elses.
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1056
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Posted - 2013.12.30 18:44:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Shadow Preldent wrote: Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.
So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain. That seems fair to you?
Its not about whats fair, its about what action you can take that's in your best interest. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Shadow Preldent
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
0
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:37:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Shadow Preldent wrote: Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.
So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain. That seems fair to you? Its not about whats fair, its about what action you can take that's in your best interest.
I've run this mission 20+ times, I've run into Princess many times (both as a friend and as an enemy).
You have many options . . . 1) Don't let them find you 2) Beat them to the mission goal 3) Pay them off before hand so they leave you alone 4) Pay the ransom that is 40% of your mission reward 5) Steal someone else's 6) Think of another option for yourself
Eve is a multiplayer game. That is what makes it fun. Sometimes that means you have to interact with other people. If they know more/bring more friends, then they are going to have the advantage over you. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2013.12.31 02:57:00 -
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Shadow Preldent wrote:Batelle wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Shadow Preldent wrote: Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.
So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain. That seems fair to you? Its not about whats fair, its about what action you can take that's in your best interest. I've run this mission 20+ times, I've run into Princess many times (both as a friend and as an enemy). You have many options . . . 1) Don't let them find you 2) Beat them to the mission goal 3) Pay them off before hand so they leave you alone 4) Pay the ransom that is 40% of your mission reward 5) Steal someone else's 6) Think of another option for yourself Eve is a multiplayer game. That is what makes it fun. Sometimes that means you have to interact with other people. If they know more/bring more friends, then they are going to have the advantage over you.
Very good, it is a multiplayer game, and multiplayer games are founded on fairness, otherwise no one would play them. Why do you think mining barged got buffed to resist ganking? I know there is a common, knee-jerk reaction to suggest that all problems are not problems and can be solved with in-game solutions, but first ask yourself. How does the ability for alts in npc corporations stealing/blowing up your COSMOS required mission items enchance the game? How would it hurt the game if pirates were unable to screw people over so hard by merely stealing/destroying their required mission items?
If the pirate fails to win this conflict, they might lose a shuttle and the time it took to scan you down on their alt. If you fail to win this conflict, you take massive standing hit, potential enormous time investment out the window from building standing just for this purpose, and discontinuation of your COSMOS chain and loss of profits.
I have done what is in my best interest. I notified a GM and had the mission reset, which was much more reasonable than your 20/20 hindsight suggestions. I am doing what I can and also raising awareness at the same time. Hopefully CCP will make it so people cannot steal your COSMOS mission items in the future. Usually, these poorly thought out design flaws get fixed over time after more people complain about them.
These things are never considered problem until more people start doing it. Look what happened to miner ganking. There were people defending that too with all kind of ridiculous suggestions of what people could do to combat what was child's play on the part of the pirate. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
267
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:43:00 -
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If you really want to get back at these guys, then you will need to fleet up with some guys in PVP ships. Have them sit at a safe until the griefers come on field. Once on field, they warp to you. To keep him from warping out after he takes the loot, stay on him like white on rice and keep bumping him until he turns red and one of your fleetmates can point him. It will take a little skill at manual pilotting to keep him out of warp alignment while bumping him, but it can be done. |
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