Princess someone stole your item i assume?

Anyhow wait for downtime, if it doesn't respawn file a petition and state in a very nice and polite manner that your mission didn't respawn at downtime.

Meaning if you wait till the next day and warp to the location and nothing is there it hasn't respawned.


So you'd say something like:

Hello,

Yesterday 12/27/2013 I did not complete my mission. When I warp there today nothing is present. Could you please reset it for me please?

Thank you.


If it doesn't work you are out of luck. Last I checked they were in 100k ehp ships in newbie corps making any sort of defense impossible.

Oh and don't talk to / argue with them in local, it won't help and if you say something while riled up it could have negative consequences.

yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends.


thanks for the suggestion.

If you don't want to go after him yourself, hire someone like Noir. to b!tchslap him and his alts a few dozen times.

So I was doing a Caldari COSMOS mission in Otomainen and suddenly 5 guys are next to me blowing stuff up and I get a message telling me that they are going to steal the item I need to complete my mission. With 5 of them they did manage to loot the mission item before me. I need this item to continue my mission chain. The lowest price is 500 million in contracts for the item so I don't really want to have to buy it.

Is there anyway I could reset my mission or something? Someone suggested I wait till downtime and do the mission again but someone else told me that I couldn't get the item again. Are there missions that won't reset on downtime if someone steals your item? What can I do about this? The mission is Lost love - Wei Todaki

what is it you need? i have a few items left over from the cosmos missions, i got bored with doing them

Does he not go suspect doing this?

There really isn't a defense.

Don't do the mission with combat probes on d-scan

It doesn't matter, it takes 45+ mins

I expect to be spamming d-scan in low and null but to have to do it in high-sec as well to keep people from being able to **** with you and having to warp and and wait for what could be hours is kind of ridiculous.

yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends.

You wouldn't happen to have the names of the other participants? Just curious.

So I was doing a Caldari COSMOS mission in Otomainen and suddenly 5 guys are next to me blowing stuff up and I get a message telling me that they are going to steal the item I need to complete my mission. With 5 of them they did manage to loot the mission item before me. I need this item to continue my mission chain. The lowest price is 500 million in contracts for the item so I don't really want to have to buy it.

Is there anyway I could reset my mission or something? Someone suggested I wait till downtime and do the mission again but someone else told me that I couldn't get the item again. Are there missions that won't reset on downtime if someone steals your item? What can I do about this? The mission is Lost love - Wei Todaki

Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.

So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?

I think fair is getting the mission changed so the item is dropped in cargo by the agent (or whatever magical fairy concoction needed to pay the suspension of disbelief) when it completes, either in the field or back at the agents location. If they want to steal loot there are plenty of wrecks left in system, they can have their pick. But mission specific items (particularly Cosmos) should be locked so only the mission accepting pilot can acquire them.

Leave the race for loot in anomalies, and out of standings related mission chains.

So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?

I think fair is getting the mission changed so the item is dropped in cargo by the agent (or whatever magical fairy concoction needed to pay the suspension of disbelief) when it completes, either in the field or back at the agents location. If they want to steal loot there are plenty of wrecks left in system, they can have their pick. But mission specific items (particularly Cosmos) should be locked so only the mission accepting pilot can acquire them.

Leave the race for loot in anomalies, and out of standings related mission chains.

So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?

Its not about whats fair, its about what action you can take that's in your best interest.

I've run this mission 20+ times, I've run into Princess many times (both as a friend and as an enemy).

You have many options . . .
1) Don't let them find you
2) Beat them to the mission goal
3) Pay them off before hand so they leave you alone
4) Pay the ransom that is 40% of your mission reward
5) Steal someone else's
6) Think of another option for yourself

Eve is a multiplayer game. That is what makes it fun. Sometimes that means you have to interact with other people. If they know more/bring more friends, then they are going to have the advantage over you.

Very good, it is a multiplayer game, and multiplayer games are founded on fairness, otherwise no one would play them.

EvE is not like other multiplayer games, and it's not fair. When you playing like a foolish careless carebear, who think nothing bad can happen because you are in hi-sec, you are going to be punished by players smarter then you.

, you are going to be punished by players smarter then you.

If you really want to get back at these guys, then you will need to fleet up with some guys in PVP ships. Have them sit at a safe until the griefers come on field. Once on field, they warp to you. To keep him from warping out after he takes the loot, stay on him like white on rice and keep bumping him until he turns red and one of your fleetmates can point him. It will take a little skill at manual pilotting to keep him out of warp alignment while bumping him, but it can be done.

I can say with confidence that stealing the loot and ransoming it is not a measure of intelligence, but a measure of laziness greater than I am willing to reach.

EvE is not like other multiplayer games, and it's not fair. When you playing like a foolish careless carebear, who think nothing bad can happen because you are in hi-sec, you are going to be punished by players smarter then you.

Does he not go suspect doing this?

You can just open a ticket and a GM will restart that mission for you. Taking mission specific objects is considered griefing. Taking mission loot is considered good times.

And, before anyone goes derpy and tries to say "this is space, there is no such thing as trespassing", EVE is a game not reality. If there can be 50k or more Ralie Ardanne or Wei Todaki in existence at one time in the EVE universe, I don't think that making mission sites the "property" of the mission runner is going to blow up anyone's gaming experience.

I mean, really, when does anyone warp to another person's hisec mission site other than to steal salvage/mission items or to grief?

To help them run the site. Or when I dual box a site.

I have to believe that you are not stupid.

Therefore, I have to believe that you understand the point and are a troll.

1/10 for the attempt, you can do better.

I'd like to believe that you're not stupid, but if you don't take the time or make the effort to understand what it would take to implement what you're proposing or what the various types of fallout might be, I can't. Perhaps you should consider engaging in dialgoue rather than insulting people.

You're proposing a suspect flag for warping to a mission site. Please explain how you envision that working, its limitations, and how it will handle the sorts of situations I illustrated in my initial response. Who, exactly, would qualify for the suspect flag and how will CCP code the mechanics to deal with all the possibilites. While you're at it, perhaps you'll also explain how that new mechanic will fit in with the ability to scan down a ship whose mission site is invisible to probes and warp to it. Will I be penalized with a suspect flag while trying to probe down a valid war target? Will the war target be able to hide out in mission spaces indefinitely? Does being in a fleet with the mission runner affect whether you get the flag? And while you're doing that, you might also take the time to explain, or at least reflect upon, whether these sorts of limitations should be placed on missions run in losec and nosec, where the mission runner is well aware of the dangers. Were you aware that incursion sites and anomalies would be affected by what you're proposing? How do you propose that be handled? How do you propose that CCP implement a system in which pilots "own" a piece of space? How will that ownership be established? How does the game know where the edge of your space is and the rest of public space is? Are you going to propose instanced content?

Or I could save you the time by pointing out that the OP got the mission reset and the likely reason that it got reset is that CCP is well aware of this issue and, rather than implementing half-baked, knee-jerk "solutions," has opted to handle the problem through customer service. In "the old days," CCP would never have reset missions if the objective got stolen. So, cheer up, CCP has got your back.

You asked a question. I answered. If what you meant to say was "no one who isn't working with the mission runner should be warping to the mission site," then that is what you should say. But you're not going to get anywhere with that, as should be obvious if you've spent any time at all reading up on EVE development. Just because someone replies to your ill-conceived and poorly worded statement, it doesn't mean you're being trolled. If you can't handle push back, maybe the EVE-O forums are not for you.

At least give us some counter-play options to mission theft.

Make someone go criminal immediately when warping to another person's site, at the very least.

I mean, really, when does anyone warp to another person's hisec mission site other than to steal salvage/mission items or to grief?

Trespassing is a crime in every place that I have ever been.

And, before anyone goes derpy and tries to say "this is space, there is no such thing as trespassing", EVE is a game not reality. If there can be 50k or more Ralie Ardanne or Wei Todaki in existence at one time in the EVE universe, I don't think that making mission sites the "property" of the mission runner is going to blow up anyone's gaming experience.

Please do this.



The newest awox tactic is going to be getting people to warp to your missions so you can pop them. Also everything in the mission sites IS your property. The fact you aren't defending it is not anyone's problem but yours.

It's a high security system, it's not total safety. People can **** with you in hi-sec, just as they can in low-sec, and when there is a reward of +1B you better expect people to do so.

It has nothing to do with being smarter. It is about taking advantage of a lack of knowledge about mundane game mechanics and catching players unaware. This game has the lowest skill ceiling of any pvp mmorpg i've ever played, don't give pirates too much credit. I suspect EVE is full of angst-filled teens and dim-witted man-children who have gotten **** on in more skill demanding pvp games and have ended up playing EVE because abusing lack of knowledge mechanics is the easiest way they can get their grief jollies off and share a little of their own frustration.

The only parts about EVE that aren't fair are the parts that haven't gotten fixed yet. To suggest EVE is supposed to be unfair is completely moronic. Why do you think we have this thing called "balance"?

But i do not think the slight tilt in the balance is due to game design. I think it is in fact due to the criminals being much more enterprising and generally more adaptable than the carebears are.

I can imagine there were a lot of failed attempts and changes the criminals have made before they found a ship/fit/tactic that works. If the carebears took some time to think of ways to change and adapt what they do. then they could prevent a lot of these criminal activities before they begin.

If you were legitimately trying to advance the conversation with your comment, it didn't. Let's move on and not be mad.

As far as putting in a criminal flag when warping to a mission site, you do understand (I hope) that ALL criminal and suspect flags were just recently introduced into the game, right?

I believe that if CCP can develop the criminal flagging system as it is now, with all of the current triggers, that they can modify it to make warping to another person's mission site without permission a trigger as well.

The bottom line is:

1) warp origin and destination are already calculated in game

2) mission pockets are already identified as a destination for any ship warping to them

3) there is already a system in place that triggers an event based on warp destination (you have seen the mission text pop-ups when warping to pockets, right? how do you think that they are triggered?)

4) current mechanics already have overrides in place for what would otherwise be a criminal action (opening a fleet members' can without their permission is not criminal, right? Things done to a valid WT are not criminal, right?). Obviously, these overrides would not change.

Would generating another event, a criminal flag in this case based on choosing to warp to a space the game already identifies as a mission pocket not owned by you or your fleet, be so hard to add to already existing game mechanics?

I believe that in-between your speculations, you are saying basically that this is a bad idea or that it cannot work. If you have specific knowledge of coding limitations in EVE and why this cannot be done, you need to share this with us.

Otherwise, I am sorry, but your objections are speculative, sensational and frankly not that helpful.

It would be better for you to simply say "I think it's a bad idea" rather than to try to justify that opinion on imaginary reasons why you think it wouldn't work. If you know something specifically as to why it won't work, please, do tell us all.

If griefers, "pirates" and thieves actually had to assume a balanced amount of risk for their actions... how tragic. They may have to farm their own tears there.

The risk is that for the effort put in, there's a good chance that you could fail due to the intended victim being aware of his surroundings. That equals time wasted & time is not free.

A couple of things:

1. Crimewatch has been around for a very long time. It got a "recent" update and that update was specifically done to the benefit of non-pirates/gankers. It introduced all sorts of goodies, including the safety feature and global suspect flags for what used to be corp/individual-only flags (I stole from you, I got flagged to you, but no one else). In the old days, there were a lot of different ways to screw with mission runners. There are far, far fewer these days.

2. You don't understand the mechanics of mission invasions. Mission invasions have one of 3 forms: tripping aggression from the mission runner unexpectedly (e.g., shooting the MTU and getting aggression from drones set to aggressive) and then killing him; tripping aggression by goading a mission runner into action (e.g., looting a wreck and hoping he shoots at you) and then killing him; or stealing an item and running (because you donGÇÖt want to fight). In the first two cases, your solution gives them what they want without having to take any actions. They want the mission runner to shoot at them. They want the flag!! So youGÇÖd be helping them! In the third case, even if he had a flag, it wouldnGÇÖt stop him from stealing. YouGÇÖd have the clearance to shoot him, but the moment you did, the limited engagement flag would be tripped. Then he reships and comes back to kill your pimp fit mission ship, which will not be able to properly tank a PvP fit ship. In the actual case of the OP, they came with a small fleet for exactly that reason. If he had offered any resistance, he would have lost the mission item AND his ship. Unless your plan is to fight off gankers, the flag does you no good. If your plan IS to fight off gankers, good luck, because theyGÇÖll be coming for you on a regular basis from that moment forward. People who donGÇÖt want to fight in the first place will be perpetually at a disadvantage in this game.

3. You donGÇÖt understand probing mechanics. I'm at war with Corp A. I see several Corp A members in my system. They aren't in the station and they aren't at a celestial, so they must be somewhere in space. I launch probes and start scanning. It's a heavily trafficked system and I have no way of knowing which ship results are theirs. I have no way of knowing who is missioning. The only thing I can do is warp to my results. So, I start warping to my results. Oh no! I warped to some dude's mission site. Now I'm flagged suspect for the next 15 mins and everyone in EVE gets a free shot at me.

4. It isnGÇÖt enough to say itGÇÖs a bad idea or wonGÇÖt work, because someone will come along and ask GÇ£Why?GÇ¥ I presented my concerns in the question format, because thatGÇÖs what one does in a dialogue. I provided you with an opportunity to address my concerns and change my mind. YouGÇÖve opted for the GÇ£I know better than anyoneGÇ¥ approach, even when itGÇÖs clear that you have no clue what youGÇÖre talking about. But who am I to suggest that you shouldnGÇÖt tilt at windmills? You should take your idea over to the Features and Ideas subforum and give it a go.

You are still being an alarmist here.

- PvP baiting: yeah it's going to happen, as it happens already. Non-issue. Getting flagged at warp-in or after the theft only changes the timeline. If they are going to bait you, they just come back after the theft anyway. But, I would personally take the opportunity to counter prior to the theft over being forced to wait until it is actually completed. As it is now, if they choose to steal and run, there are no options for the missioner to counter.

- WTs are already exempt from actions against other WTs

- Pop-up warning before criminal actions already exist = if you start a warp to a non-valid target (non-WT in your case) unintentionally, you get a warning before the action is completed.

Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.

A lot of wrong here. You want to introduce a legal penalty for 'just looking.' That's not ok. You want to rely on popup warnings (that many disable) and the safety to let people magically know if the deadspace they're warping to is the property of a WT or not. That's terrible design. Also, maybe the WT is there but its not the WT's mission? You want to make non-consensual salvaging a suspect level offense. This has been adamantly refused by CCP since salvage was introduced to the game.

Gaining a suspect/criminal flag through warping somewhere in space is a completely unworkable idea. It doesn't counter mission-griefing at all, it punishes legal activities that are not mission-griefing, and it there is no reasonable means to know if warping somewhere will result in a crime. Plus this whole mission-ownership-tresspassing nonsense.

Yes, I want to make "just looking" a criminal act. In real life your "just looking" is called "prowling" and is criminal.

Hah, no it isn't. Unless you live in a really really backward country.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/prowling/

In my backward country of the United States, people Google before they post so as to not look the fool.

I was going to suggest that said backward country was the US, but I didn't want to assume. Thanks for proving my point though.

Nice back peddling sir. gg wp.

This whole problem would have been solved if you had been smart enough to have not popped the mission loot rat until you were within distance to scoop loot just as you finish him off.

Stop whining because you don't know how to EVE.

The only thing that you would really need to change is to make the drop chance of the mission item 100%
that way you could kill the ninjha looter without having to shoot a 50% craps game

ISK faucets are bad, right? Maybe it's time to start turning off the criminal ISK faucets?

Criminal actions aren't an isk faucet, so there's nothing to turn off.

I believe they are, sir... I believe they are.

All that CCP needs to do is look at a few wallets to verify this. And I really hope that they do.

I believe that it all comes down to the old ISK/hour equation.

In the case of the OP, the mission thief gets 700 mil per successful theft. They can do it with a low SP alt with little to no effort or game interaction. That is an ISK faucet, as much as AFK missioning was or more so.

CCP rightfully adjusted game mechanics to require more interaction from missioners.

I suspect that people like this Princess Achaja are making a whole lot more ISK for a whole lot less effort than any AFK missioner ever did.

I wonder how much time an AFK missioner would have to put in to make 700 mil...

And here we have people doing it multiple times with less effort/time spent....


Little to no SP required... cheap ship... little to no effort/time/skill required... big payoff....


Yeah, it's an ISK faucet. And every ganker and mission thief knows it.


Name one other way in EVE that you can PLEX an account with as little investment in training, equipment and time spent as this particular mission theft scenario.

You are still being an alarmist here.

- PvP baiting: yeah it's going to happen, as it happens already. Non-issue. Getting flagged at warp-in or after the theft only changes the timeline. If they are going to bait you, they just come back after the theft anyway. But, I would personally take the opportunity to counter prior to the theft over being forced to wait until it is actually completed. As it is now, if they choose to steal and run, there are no options for the missioner to counter.

- WTs are already exempt from actions against other WTs

- Pop-up warning before criminal actions already exist = if you start a warp to a non-valid target (non-WT in your case) unintentionally, you get a warning before the action is completed.


As to your suggestion to post the idea in Features & Ideas, 100% solid and on point.

Yes, I want to make "just looking" a criminal act. In real life your "just looking" is called "prowling" and is criminal. And, yeah, it is really ok.

Yes, pop-ups are enough to keep those who truly have no criminal intent safe.

Some more things:

Your first comment is pretty good evidence that you haven't thought this through. Let's examine the OP's situation using your mechanics.

He's bopping along in the Cosmos site, kicking NPC butt. Oh no! Mission Invaders! They're flashing yellow! Now what? First, he hasn't finished the mission or killed the ship that drops the item. Second, they are now killing ships and are about to kill the ship that drops the item. If he fires on them, they turn on him (though one guy will probably still go after the mission item). Lock, point, webs, painted. Ewar engaged. Then they start neuting your typical active PvE tank. Once the hardeners and reps go off, you're done. You've lost your ship. You may or may not also lose your pod and all of those pretty, pretty implants. As you warp away, you see your mission item get scooped. The likely cost of paying ransom for the item is half the total reward of the mission chain. Your ship and fittings likely cost more than the total rewards anyway. In other words, you lose.

So. What did the flag get you? Killed. In fact, unless you're baiting mission invaders in a properly fit ship, this will be the inevitable result of any and all attempts to engage PvP ships in a PvE ship. And if you're baiting them, you can do it just as well when they flag themselves, and they're definitely going to flag themselves.

If what you want is to prevent people from stealing Wei Todaki or some similar mission item, the solution is infinitely simpler. Just update missions so that the cans they're in are locked. You get the key with the mission acceptance. No need for contorted, convoluted, half-baked, poorly conceived total changes to game mechanics and philosophy.

If you really believe that this is an isk faucet, then you don't know what a isk faucet is. Tell me, how often does a criminal action inject isk in to the game that did not exist before?

As for naming another way, scamming comes to mind, but that isn't a faucet either.

Ahh, ok, yes... maybe I should have said.... "ISK fountain?"

And I am 100% happy that you equated this to scamming. That is really a pretty accurate assessment.

Edit: Except for the fact that the missioner has time constraints, no realistic way to prevent/avoid/counter the theft and gets locked out of content upon failure***

How much isk the fountain spews out is directly related to how stupid &/or lazy the potential victim is.

For all of your time spent writing that, you are totally overlooking two things:

1) the flag makes the criminal a valid target to everyone, not just the missioner

2) it does it immediately not after the theft is completed

The largest part of the problem is that there is no way to counter the theft , especially in the OP's case. If the mission cannot be reset after DT, the missioner must complete before then.

Right now, the only semi-legitimate "defense" is to warp out every time scanner probes come up on d-scan. But, the missioner cannot do this indefinitely, because of the time constraint.

The risk/reward needs to be balanced out. As it is now, the missioner has considerably more risk for the same reward, as has been stated earlier in this thread (the reward in this case being the mission item).

The problem isn't solely the risk of theft; it is more that the missioner has no ability to counter until after the item is stolen and even then only if the thief chooses to PvP.

Again, if it is ok that the missioner assume a level of risk because of the potential reward, then it is also ok to have the mission thief/griefer also assume a proportionate level of risk.

At the very least, flagging them before the actual item is stolen raises the risk of the action and gives the missioner more options.

A long time ago there was a mechanic in place that made it impossible to probe down ships in sites. They removed this mechanic but perhaps you should post they re-introduce it in private Story-Line, Epic-Arc, and Cosmos missions to avoid this situation.

You're funny man.

You kind of ignore the whole mechanic currently in place that creates a pop-up before a criminal act is committed asking if you really want to do it.

So, yeah, BE SCARED! Someone is going to make you warp to a mission site and kill you if this change is made!

lol.

And, as to your equally foolish comment about "defending" a mission site, what exactly is it that you think can be done to a person inside your pocket right now, unless they are a WT or you have pre-existing Kill rights on them?


They are not a valid target 99.99999% of the time until AFTER they steal from your site, you know this right?

Yeah, stupidity or troll....

3/10 because I actually responded.

Mission theft/griefing is 100% a game balance issue.


If it is ok that the missioner assume risks because the "reward is so high", then it is equally ok that the griefer/thief be made to have a measure of risk proportionate to their potential "reward" in stealing the item.


If griefers, "pirates" and thieves actually had to assume a balanced amount of risk for their actions... how tragic. They may have to farm their own tears there.

The only thing CCP need to fix is the completion trigger. If you can pick up the item and have the mission NOT be finished then everything would be good. If you dont get it it today, try again tomorrow.

I hear you say: " But then the completion item would be farmable!" To that I say: "Yes! But at least the farmers would have to put in real work to get it, and CCP customer service would have one less worry."

Measure of risk ----> Opportunity cost and suspect flags. They steal from you because it's easy. Michi's has a huge reward for the time spent, and you're no risk because you're incompetent. It's a very simple equation. Stop holding your money out in front of you on a busy street and people are less likely to take it.

Then the bottom falls out of the market as every person and their FW alt can dump a 1b implant on the market. Within 24 hours, they won't be worth 1b. And then you won't want to do this COSMOS mission. And then you'll ***** because CCP devalued your precious rewards with something you asked for.

Then the bottom falls out of the market as every person and their FW alt can dump a 1b implant on the market. Within 24 hours, they won't be worth 1b. And then you won't want to do this COSMOS mission. And then you'll ***** because CCP devalued your precious rewards with something you asked for.

Even if they did go suspect when they warped into your mission site, missioners still would not shoot the pirate. The pirates would just sit in your mission site all blinky (waiting for you to shoot), then you would pop the rat that drops the loot and they would scoop it and warp out.

And why would you not shoot them? Because for the simple fact the missioner would be in a mission ship and the pirate is in a PVP ship; and you know if you engage, you will die.

If you think the simple fact that them going suspect will make them think twice about going into your mission, you are dead wrong.

This whole problem would have been solved if you had been smart enough to have not popped the mission loot rat until you were within distance to scoop loot just as you finish him off.

Stop whining because you don't know how to EVE.

I'm a new player. What you're saying, in essence, is that anything that happens to me until I have complete understanding of all of EVE's mechanics is my fault. Until that happens it's all just me being "stupid". Nice...

I'm a new player. What you're saying, in essence, is that anything that happens to me until I have complete understanding of all of EVE's mechanics is my fault. Until that happens it's all just me being "stupid". Nice...

I'm a new player. What you're saying, in essence, is that anything that happens to me until I have complete understanding of all of EVE's mechanics is my fault. Until that happens it's all just me being "stupid". Nice...

All that said, there are lots of precautions that the OP could have taken or methods he could have used to mitigate risk. When I run any mission with mission critical loot, I have a cloaky alt with a tractor beam on grid. There are also hard-to-probe T3 fits to buy yourself time to either complete the mission if you can or warp out before the site is probed down. Doing general research on Cosmos missions would have revealed that stealing mission critical items is an ancient, relatively common occurrence. Given that everything IS riding on a single item and knowing that EVE is full of crafty bastards, scouting the system over a period of days would probably have been wise. If you see lots of combat probes on scan in hisec, you can be pretty certain they're looking for a mission runner.

BTW, this is an L4 Cosmos mission, and L4 Cosmos missions are on par with L4 epic arcs. They are not intended for noobs.

When people I know play the game, the advice I give them is read, read, read. It's a shame that EVE requires so much research, but if you want to succeed, there's no getting around it.

There is a suggestion in Features & Ideas that will give all missioners the ability to better counter mission thieves and any other mission invaders.

If the suggestion is put in, the trespasser would be a legal target to everyone who wants to help defend the missioner's space.

All that the missioner would have to do is 1) find anyone in local that wants to help and 2) fleet them.

Feel free to read it.

If you are a missioner, it will help.

I think maybe you've switched into bot mode. Since I'm the person who sent you there in the first place. You can stop spamming now. Your "solution" is going nowhere.

You know what? This is a great idea!

This idea will let gankers actually fly into your mission in real PVP ships, with logi and ewar and totally ruin you're mission experience without having to worry about CONCORD.

I retract my earlier statements and wholeheartedly endorse Abul's idea!

Hisec pirates and mercs rejoice!

Yes, but it won't change the fact that they will still be able to come in to your mission and steal your loot. All it means is that they will change up their tactics.

If you really want this fixed, then you need to request that CCP make it so the COSMOS mission be spawned randomly, and not in the same system. The fact that the mission spawns in the same system every time is what makes it so easy for them to do this.

Bwahaha! PVPers fitting expensive mods in hisec? Not likely. And if they do, it means they will have some serious backup.

Bwahaha! PVPers fitting expensive mods in hisec? Not likely.

Considering that in hisec the number of people willing to come kill you is low, and that there are not evil bubbles to lose your slave clone in, and that there are stations and station games everywhere, I think hisec pvpers are the most likely of pvpers to fit expensive mods. Its the perfect low-risk, controllable situation in which to bust out your billion isk faction cruisers and play station games with your vindicator.

Also, if anyone things a missioner is actually going to team up with another missioner in two PVE battleships to fight off evil griefers... well. that isn't going to happen.

There's already interest from "vigilante" and merc groups who would love the chance to counter-gank mission invaders.

They look specifically for valid targets everywhere.

Realistically, all that a missioner may have to do (if they don't get help in advance and set a counter-gank trap) is to fleet anyone in local who wants to help.

Oh really? Who? Name these vigilantes and merc groups.

You are so fail, and this idea of yours is fail. Now you are calling me an alt just to discredit the flaw i found.

Oh sorry the players posting may just be posting their own interest, but the point has been argued that a whole Vigilante profession could be created.

Why don't we just put this to the test? Tell us where you mission and someone will show up in one of your missions with a suspect flag (they will just steal from a neutral alt). Then we'll see what's what, won't we?

Deal?

Others I remember seeing in my mission trying to steal it. RUSSBOY, MinNet
associates: Galigor, Farkoth, Ragnar D IX. possibly Anotherla(alt in system)

Me and a corporation in which I am not cooperate with the Princess of Achaja or with other thieves.
I honestly do not like.

We do trade cosmos kit.

If someone you're interested cosmos kits we have a steady supply of the whole package.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4484625

Other alt Achaji:
- Christina Stark
- Princess Keira
- Princess Finena
- Princess CorrieLynn

I advise you to also watch out for: Cemetery Blues

Good luck!

Seems simple to me.

Either have the mission complete when the target ship is destroyed, or have the mission auto-reset at downtime.

Who cares if that makes the items farmable and lowers their value? That's not the purpose of a COSMOS mission, so it shouldn't impact the design.

you need to keep scanning for probes and warp out if you see any.