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Malken
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:17:00 -
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the problems as i see it with freighters in general is...
Enemies uses them to shift their warmachine without any danger at all. someone stealing your profitable trades, wardec him... cant he is in a n00b corp. freighters logging off in cloak at gate=safe, fix this hole now CCP. freighters drop no loot, fix now CCP
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:45:00 -
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Bleh stop whining already you guys are pathetic gamers. Like it has been said sooo many times on empire pirate jacking scams there is no such thing as totaly secure space in eve.
Grow a pair and just kill said frieghter if you beleive you really need ton and just like on those same empire pirate scaming threads It's your own fault if you don;t bring enough friends to ensure the job gets done.
Frieghters are killable you just lack the guts and conviction to do it, no fault of the game, I mean please you noobie carebear pvp'ers didnt think you were gonna be able to do everything and anything you want in eve with 1 stinking insured raven did you?
time to man up and put your ISK wallet where your mouth is as no space is secure so kill the friehter with your mighty corp.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:18:00 -
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I am suprised that this senseless thread is still active
ANY n00b can open a corp and if declared war on him he can change his corp.
Enough said about this
Selling: Absolution - Curse - Gleam S - BPC's - check my bio
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Da Death I am suprised that this senseless thread is still active
ANY n00b can open a corp and if declared war on him he can change his corp.
Enough said about this
belive me, this thread will still live on and on.. i am not the only one that want something to be changed regarding this!
"We brake for nobody"
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Redeol
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Redeol on 17/03/2006 11:30:34
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Originally by: Da Death I am suprised that this senseless thread is still active
ANY n00b can open a corp and if declared war on him he can change his corp.
Enough said about this
belive me, this thread will still live on and on.. i am not the only one that want something to be changed regarding this!
your thread/intentions are turning more and more of those of a rant-troll the way you bump it with your fanatical texts, you should try to listen to other peoples arguments and accept the fact that what you are trying to accomplish is never going to happen having the current wardec system.
In this light i hope modsquad will lock this thread as it has run its course, and is now becoming your personal hatred fueling furness of utter stupidity.
good day.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 17/03/2006 11:46:38
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Originally by: Da Death I am suprised that this senseless thread is still active
ANY n00b can open a corp and if declared war on him he can change his corp.
Enough said about this
belive me, this thread will still live on and on.. i am not the only one that want something to be changed regarding this!
There are a lot of things in this game that are quasi-broken.
Your gripe is with one of the minor ones. However, these issues require more complex solutions than simply denying players certain "rights" based on how they want to play the game. This just creates a never ending sea-saw battle of NPC corp rights justification. If CCP truly meant that NPC corps were for noobs only for a few months, they would have made that abundantly clear from the get-go, and would have had game mechanics to boot you out of the NPC corp after a certain time period or skill point count... My impression when I first started playing in Beta was that if you wanted to live in secure space, and avoid PVP, an NPC corp was the place.
EVE intricacies are not linear, you can't just pull out one thread and expect the entire fabric not to be changed...
I think if CCP could start all over again, there would be some fundamental things they would like to change. For now, there are things we perceive to be broken on both sides of the Isle...
Your complaint honestly does not concern a major game breaking issue. FUBAR resource acquisition, insta's, the War Dec system on a whole are much bigger problems than this issue...
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:47:00 -
[277]
Any ISD please close this rant thread
Selling: Absolution - Curse - Gleam S - BPC's - check my bio
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:07:00 -
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Ive been following this thread since it was first posted:
The whole thing here to me seems to be this:
If you can gank an indy in high sec for the cost of ONE Raven then has it not occured to you that a much BIGGER vessel might be required to take that freighter, shield tank and all.
Why does it have to be Ravens at all? By my logic:
If you are in a corp big enough to war dec a corp that can afford a freighter surely you can provide a bit more firepower for the gank? not 10 ravens, BIGGER!!
I am not interested in the any thread oneupmanship I merely wanted to point out what to me seems an obvious logical train of thought.
<--- for these guys and also corps at war needing to finance the freighter gank ideally freighters need to drop cans. This is the only change i can honestly see as necessary.
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2006.03.17 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: xeom UH-OH! its time to deduce the obvious with captian Xeom! {above line all credit goes to maddox)
You state that sence you "out smarted" us by join a NPC corp you get to be free and play the way you like.Its the part that you think it takes intelligence to figure that out that worries me.But besides that you are only wan't to play you're side of the game.Lets forget the fact that everyone else has to deal with both sides.
Thats right as a PVP'er i have to deal with both logistics and pvp.So why do you get to only play the part you like?Why can't i insta spawn ships in my item bay?And not have to worry about making isk or market price when buying them?So while we are vunerable to you're form of PVP you shouldn't be to ours?
Hmmm doesn't look very fair,Also you claim that "You just can't stand to see someone making a lot more ISK than you because he is smarter, and not because he has a bigger gun..."
How exactly is he even outsmarting me????! He ran into a hole where its impossible to reach here are some things that i would consider 'outsmarting'. -A proper convoy Yep,you can stop that little gank if everyone on you're convoy has a large remote repper.By the time the enemy figures out that you are being tanked big time it will be to late you fleet should have eaten most of em. -Decoys and spys Sending false information to my corp so i think you're going to do something then do the oposite.
Also the the idea that people who trade are smarter and have to deal with more then 0.0 pvpers is laughable.
Agian the problem is everyone is vunerable to you're form of PVP and yet you dont wan't to partake in ours?! Fine just let me spawn any ships and weapons i wan't then i wouldn't have a problem.
w0rd
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Redeol Edited by: Redeol on 17/03/2006 11:30:34
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Originally by: Da Death I am suprised that this senseless thread is still active
ANY n00b can open a corp and if declared war on him he can change his corp.
Enough said about this
belive me, this thread will still live on and on.. i am not the only one that want something to be changed regarding this!
your thread/intentions are turning more and more of those of a rant-troll the way you bump it with your fanatical texts, you should try to listen to other peoples arguments and accept the fact that what you are trying to accomplish is never going to happen having the current wardec system.
I am, and so should you instead of trying to attack where I say this is an issue.
Originally by: Redeol
In this light i hope modsquad will lock this thread as it has run its course, and is now becoming your personal hatred fueling furness of utter stupidity.
good day.
Why? Becouse your afraid of what might be discovered?
Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Originally by: Da Death I am suprised that this senseless thread is still active
ANY n00b can open a corp and if declared war on him he can change his corp.
Enough said about this
belive me, this thread will still live on and on.. i am not the only one that want something to be changed regarding this!
There are a lot of things in this game that are quasi-broken.
Your gripe is with one of the minor ones. However, these issues require more complex solutions than simply denying players certain "rights" based on how they want to play the game. This just creates a never ending sea-saw battle of NPC corp rights justification. If CCP truly meant that NPC corps were for noobs only for a few months, they would have made that abundantly clear from the get-go, and would have had game mechanics to boot you out of the NPC corp after a certain time period or skill point count... My impression when I first started playing in Beta was that if you wanted to live in secure space, and avoid PVP, an NPC corp was the place.
EVE intricacies are not linear, you can't just pull out one thread and expect the entire fabric not to be changed...
I think if CCP could start all over again, there would be some fundamental things they would like to change. For now, there are things we perceive to be broken on both sides of the Isle...
Your complaint honestly does not concern a major game breaking issue. FUBAR resource acquisition, insta's, the War Dec system on a whole are much bigger problems than this issue...
This is an issue just like anything else. You might not find it a big issue, but I do. You say instas are a bigger issue, well I disagree, so what makes you more right then I am concerning that?
If CCP TRULY meant that NPC Corps was a free heaven they would have said so no? There is no avoiding of PvP in a PvP Game. ISK and Combat is mutual, you have to have the one to do the other and visa versa. Saying that Trading is a PvP of its own is just wrong, as it goes under the catagory of ISK.
Originally by: Da Death Any ISD please close this rant thread
Why? We're having a discussion.. Go away!
What I dont get is why in hell do I have to defend myself the whole ******* time? People are throwing **** like I was beating them up personnaly. You call this thread stupid, well it is as stupid as most other threads so please, if you have nothing else to give to this thread then just shut the **** up and cry to mommi...
There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers, now go figure!
"We brake for nobody"
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:11:00 -
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Quote: This is an issue just like anything else. You might not find it a big issue, but I do. You say instas are a bigger issue, well I disagree, so what makes you more right then I am concerning that?
If CCP TRULY meant that NPC Corps was a free heaven they would have said so no? There is no avoiding of PvP in a PvP Game. ISK and Combat is mutual, you have to have the one to do the other and visa versa. Saying that Trading is a PvP of its own is just wrong, as it goes under the catagory of ISK.
It is of your opinion that two traders vying for the same route is not PVP because it does not involve combat.
On this point, I disagree, and believe you are wrong.
PVP does not = Combat Only
Nor does all PVP require combat to be considered PVP.
EVE is a PVP game, which is player vs. player, not simply players killing players.
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: xeom Thats right as a PVP'er i have to deal with both logistics and pvp.So why do you get to only play the part you like?Why can't i insta spawn ships in my item bay?And not have to worry about making isk or market price when buying them?So while we are vunerable to you're form of PVP you shouldn't be to ours?
That's a mistaken assumption on your part, and now it's starting to look like you are intentionally ignoring responses to you.
Freighter pilots are NOT, read NOT, immune to "your form of PvP". You simply don't have the balls or the friends to work up a fleet large enough to tackle one.
Perhaps when you try, and the sign comes up on your screen saying "Freighter pilot X is invulnerable and cannot be targeted" you can come back here and complain some more. Until then, you're simply a whining liar.
CB
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:23:00 -
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you can allways wage economic pvp on the freighter with your own freighter, follow him around do frequent cargo scans and figure his trade routes and start a price war. if your a corp and hes solo then you can afford to sell cheaper as your resources are greater. pull a Walmart on his ass.
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dajjal Edited by: Dajjal on 16/03/2006 15:39:25
Originally by: Carter Burke
never mind.
you had a chance to post in a constructive and civil manner.
you failed.
/me shivers at the Queen of Netiquette.
Get over yourself.
CB
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Papatudo
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:21:00 -
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Closes this thread plz mods, its a flame post n havent any future this discussion!!! |
JagdWulfe
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker you can allways wage economic pvp on the freighter with your own freighter, follow him around do frequent cargo scans and figure his trade routes and start a price war. if your a corp and hes solo then you can afford to sell cheaper as your resources are greater. pull a Walmart on his ass.
LOL Viktor, you are trying to teach knuckledragging neanderthals who think PVP is purely combat only a different concept. It won't work trust me. They fail to understand such concepts such as Trade Wars that happen in the real world. You are right however completely.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:38:00 -
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Signed ! Same goes for any Capital ship. |
Dajjal
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:47:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Carter Burke
Originally by: Dajjal Edited by: Dajjal on 16/03/2006 15:39:25
Originally by: Carter Burke
never mind.
you had a chance to post in a constructive and civil manner.
you failed.
/me shivers at the Queen of Netiquette.
Get over yourself.
CB
Can't resist flaming can you?
opposing views should be discussed that way a common ground can be explored
shoving the blinkers on and resorting to insults help how?
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2006.03.17 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dajjal
Originally by: Carter Burke
Originally by: Dajjal Edited by: Dajjal on 16/03/2006 15:39:25
Originally by: Carter Burke
never mind.
you had a chance to post in a constructive and civil manner.
you failed.
/me shivers at the Queen of Netiquette.
Get over yourself.
CB
Can't resist flaming can you?
Pot, meet kettle. Look directly above, at your own post - and you might want to reel your tongue in off the floor first.
Originally by: Dajjal opposing views should be discussed that way a common ground can be explored
Quite right - but you have yet to look at an opposing view. So far all I've seen is you pretending that PvP is gun on gun only, and from the look of things, most of the other posters here agree with that assessment of you.
Originally by: Dajjal shoving the blinkers on and resorting to insults help how?
I don't know - perhaps you can tell me how they feel? I ask only because I have yet to see you address a single point I've previously made. Instead, you adopt an unearned high-horse attitude (are you perhaps in high school? I recall seeing that same attitude from a pack of know-nothings who considered themselves "above" learning actual knowledge).
Tell you what - you go educate yourself on this issue, show me that you understand and can cogently argue for your stance, and I'll debate you fair-handedly. Until then, blow that craptitude of yours out your ear.
CB
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Kashkavien
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Posted - 2006.03.17 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 13/03/2006 19:09:49 Make freighters unable to be driven when player is in NPC Corp!
Please be constructive like "Ardent Rellik".
If any mods see this please help me to have a clean thread.
I've always been against any means to "push" people out of NPC corps and such. I just don't believe it's up to us to enforce that.
However, I do somehow agree to the notion that Capital ships shouldn't be available to NPC corp members. Not fully convinced though.
Yea well if you ever do get fully convinced be ready to find a fair few closed accounts.
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.17 20:59:00 -
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Can I just ask a few questions.
So you ban freighters, then what?
I'm sure that if you succeed, there will be a rush of requests. Wanting the ban of many other ships, for, what the posters will believe to be, valid reasons.
Where will it end?
I'm not sure that you could ever get CCP to act on this, just because of the hugh can of worms it opens up. Not to mention the loss of game-play/time, by the affected pilots.
I'm not sure there is any way this could be applied tbh.
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Dajjal
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Carter Burke
Originally by: Dajjal
Originally by: Carter Burke
Originally by: Dajjal Edited by: Dajjal on 16/03/2006 15:39:25
Originally by: Carter Burke
never mind.
you had a chance to post in a constructive and civil manner.
you failed.
/me shivers at the Queen of Netiquette.
Get over yourself.
CB
Can't resist flaming can you?
Pot, meet kettle. Look directly above, at your own post - and you might want to reel your tongue in off the floor first.
Originally by: Dajjal opposing views should be discussed that way a common ground can be explored
Quite right - but you have yet to look at an opposing view. So far all I've seen is you pretending that PvP is gun on gun only, and from the look of things, most of the other posters here agree with that assessment of you.
Originally by: Dajjal shoving the blinkers on and resorting to insults help how?
I don't know - perhaps you can tell me how they feel? I ask only because I have yet to see you address a single point I've previously made. Instead, you adopt an unearned high-horse attitude (are you perhaps in high school? I recall seeing that same attitude from a pack of know-nothings who considered themselves "above" learning actual knowledge).
Tell you what - you go educate yourself on this issue, show me that you understand and can cogently argue for your stance, and I'll debate you fair-handedly. Until then, blow that craptitude of yours out your ear.
CB
wow
you have done it again.
i truly am in awe.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:41:00 -
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NPC corps need a general re-think, not just for one ship type.
Allowing players to basically opt-out of all risk in EVE shouldn't ever be an choice for experienced high-SP players.
Whatever excuses they come up with, it basically boils down to "Let me flood the game economy in peace you dirty ganker!"
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:47:00 -
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I can't believe this petition isn't about freighters not dropping loot.
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Aramova
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I can't believe this petition isn't about freighters not dropping loot.
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I can, he's not about loot, he's just a griefer. Just look at the way he conducts auctions
*sigh* ---
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.03.18 01:12:00 -
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Being in a noob corp makes you invulnerable to wars if you remain in high sec.
This should come at a price. The price should be that you are limited in your ship choices, just as trial accounts are limited in what they can train.
To use a RL analogy, a US citizen can not own a destroyer ship, jet plane, or tank with full functional weaponry. It's too powerful for them to allow a civilian to use. In the same way, the Caldari state would not allow a civilian (NPC corp, its why they give out civilian lasers) access to specialized, capital ships.
No piloting capital ships in an NPC corp. There should be restrictions in accordance with the benefits that being in an NPC corp provides.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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Spark fire
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Posted - 2006.03.18 02:17:00 -
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Geez, leave the NPC corp people alone, CCP will never change what a char can fly in an NPC corp, a Statement made by a Dev a few weeks ago in a interview, points that even Market players r PvPers, by the competition in the market, Pvp isnt limited to combat, u griefers got CCP to change the 10 hour rule to 24 hours to be able to leave or even kick a player from corp, i feel freighters should be even tougher then they r, u have ur 0.1-0.4 sec systems u can hunt freighters in....
thats good enough for all i care, they pay as much as us who live in 0.0 so y should they be penalized for playing where they want, or feel comfortable.....
We should be asking u y are u hunting in empire when u should be in 0.0 supporting ur corp or alliance rather then greifing NPC corps and their players
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DarkMatter
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Posted - 2006.03.18 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus Being in a noob corp makes you invulnerable to wars if you remain in high sec.
This should come at a price. The price should be that you are limited in your ship choices, just as trial accounts are limited in what they can train.
To use a RL analogy, a US citizen can not own a destroyer ship, jet plane, or tank with full functional weaponry. It's too powerful for them to allow a civilian to use. In the same way, the Caldari state would not allow a civilian (NPC corp, its why they give out civilian lasers) access to specialized, capital ships.
No piloting capital ships in an NPC corp. There should be restrictions in accordance with the benefits that being in an NPC corp provides.
Nyxus
In the US you may not be able to own and operate a tank (you can if you want, there are tank collectors, but for the sake of argument) but you can own and operate very large trucks. Trucks as big, or bigger than the military uses...
You can own just about any boat or plane as well.
If you have enough money, you can own it.
There are ppl in the US who own their own military jet aircraft...
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Mike Moss
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:13:00 -
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"EvE is based on heavy PvP, and PvP consists mainly out of combat and industry." wrote Astarte Nosferatu. From an ingame perspective you are right.
But the larger perspective is CCP corporate profit. So from the larger perspective we would say, "EVE is based on maximizing CCP corporate profit, and maximizing CCP's profits consists mainly of keeping the majority of players happy." What do the majority of players want? That is the question for CCP.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:28:00 -
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Out of all the classes of players, I don't think industrialists are the ones you want to force out of NPC corps. Making dreads not availible to NPC corps, if they aren't already, makes sense because they're combat ships and if you can afford one, you should be able to defend yourself in a corp war. It also means they can't avoid accountability when they get a bunch of NPC-corp dreads to siege a POS. Freighters, on the other hand, have no offensive capability aside from playing market wars. Who declares war on a corp because they're outhauling them? Nobody. Who declares war ona corp because they want to pop their haulers for loot and pop their freighters to grief them? Plenty of people.
There seem to be more poignant reasons against it than for.
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