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Death Unleashed	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:34:00 - [31] Chinlee, some free advise. DONT TAKE UP EVE. omg you are either trying not to understand or are a complete dumb a**. you on a trial account. do you have any idea how long it will take you to get into a capital ship. The post above have made good points to your questions. omg what the hell was with the little car talk. If you want to get a Capital ship get one. is it going to be practical? HELL NO. Regards (a very frustrated) Death
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Death Unleashed Chinlee, some free advise. DONT TAKE UP EVE. omg you are either trying not to understand or are a complete dumb a**. you on a trial account. do you have any idea how long it will take you to get into a capital ship. The post above have made good points to your questions. omg what the hell was with the little car talk. If you want to get a Capital ship get one. is it going to be practical? HELL NO. Regards (a very frustrated) Death Being that harsh is probably simply going to alienate him. Most people used to normal MMORPGs need at least a few days, if not weeks or months to adjust to the climate of EVE. Once they understand how the game works, they will know the answers to questions like these. However, flaming them out of the game on the first day is not going to help. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Dark Shikari You didn't read my 3 or 4 posts saying that freighters are great PvE ships? I have one, and its definitely one of the best PvE ships there is. Haul millions of trade goods around, make tons of ISK. Its quite effective. But extremely slow. As in 40 seconds to warp. Ignore him, about the best advice one can give now. He clearly doesn't even know what he wants to ask, since he asked at the start about capital ships for PvE, and then just above yours stated he just wanted to know if some gap was present. Ignoring people who actually know what their talking about FTL. Ignoring people who deserve it FTW http://caldarisurplus.2myip.net
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/03/2006 02:19:39 Originally by: ChinLee Let me slow down for you........ They Should Create PVE content FOR capital ships. That way MAYBE they wouldnt be as "useless" as you yourself stated. And I say they should create PvE content for freighters. I will now proceed to ram my freighter into the NPCs until they die. And they should have PvE content for shuttles too. Right. No. Do you not understand the concept of a ship that exists soley as a tool to do a specific task? You are so blind to reason here that I suspect you're simply trolling for the fun of it. There is no way someone who can spell this well is actually this ignorant. P.S. Stop removing the parts of my post that destroy your argument. Selective quoting is bad, mmkay? Do you NOT understand that PVPing and PVEing are NOT task? they are features of a game. A TASK is something you do in a mission. There is no difference in a npc attacking you or a player BESIDES the AI, thus its the same "TASK" as you put it.
Oombha	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:38:00 - [35] Ladies and gentlemen, we have a troll
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:39:00 - [36] Originally by: ChinLee Do you NOT understand that PVPing and PVEing are NOT task? they are features of a game. A TASK is something you do in a mission. There is no difference in a npc attacking you or a player BESIDES the AI, thus its the same "TASK" as you put it. A task is anything you want it to be. Right now, I have a task of moving over 10,000m3 of trit 12 jumps, then repeating that about 7+ times. And, since I'm doing this, my CEO doesn't have to buy this trit, so I succesfully complete a form of PvP AND PvE, since other players don't get the isk for it, and less if any is purchased from npc orders. http://caldarisurplus.2myip.net
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:39:00 - [37] Originally by: Oombha Ladies and gentlemen, we have a troll Agreed. Mods? [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:39:00 - [38] Originally by: ChinLee Do you NOT understand that PVPing and PVEing are NOT task? they are features of a game. A TASK is something you do in a mission. There is no difference in a npc attacking you or a player BESIDES the AI, thus its the same "TASK" as you put it. In that case, there are plenty of effective PvE capital ships, as I have said 6 FREAKING TIMES NOW. Freighters can do courier missions and NPC trading, both of which are PvE, as you are competing merely against computer entities. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Death Unleashed Chinlee, some free advise. DONT TAKE UP EVE. omg you are either trying not to understand or are a complete dumb a**. you on a trial account. do you have any idea how long it will take you to get into a capital ship. The post above have made good points to your questions. omg what the hell was with the little car talk. If you want to get a Capital ship get one. is it going to be practical? HELL NO. Regards (a very frustrated) Death lmao nice response... very mature. The car talk was for the poster who couldnt understand the difference in giving one group of players something comparable to a ferrai while giving the others something comparable to a corolla to do the SAME thing, PVP AND PVE, again the ONLY difference in the 2 is AI and someone saying in local chat "omg you just got pawNzed" though even that the AI could do. Really is what i'm trying to say such a hard concept? or is it just that you pvpers dont want pvers to have anything anywhere close to what you get? even if it took 10 years to get into a capital combat ship the point is we all would have that goal.
0bsession	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:40:00 - [40] he's right... by the time you get into a capital ship, you'll be 2 years old to effectivly fly it (esitimated)... plus, they'll be many new patches for more stuff. my main is training for an Archon and should have it by May... but the problem will be, where do I use it. I do pvp, but not much... it would help out corp, but then it will also be a huge expense if lost. I guess its just something I can say... "Look at me". But, I'm more a more white collar player... not so much blue collar now, as I've been in game almost 3 years off and on and have experience everything. some capital ships are just for alliances... its not really a solo toy.
Death Unleashed	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:42:00 - [41] Im sorry i realise i was harsh. But it seems he doesnt know what he realy wants to know and is coplaining that no one can answer his questions. I understand eve is hard in the beginning, but when people give you advise you say thank you, you dont start argueing that they arent answering you questions. Remember 'you catch more flys with honey then you do with vinigar' Regards Death
Cylynex	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:44:00 - [42] I am in a very small corp. We don't pvp. I have more isk than I could ever know what to do with, a fleet of capital ships that I fly regularly, and I have quite a bit of fun playing Eve, without ever PVP'ing. There is a lot more than PVP to this game. PVP is just 1 aspect to the game.
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:45:00 - [43] Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: Death Unleashed Chinlee, some free advise. DONT TAKE UP EVE. omg you are either trying not to understand or are a complete dumb a**. you on a trial account. do you have any idea how long it will take you to get into a capital ship. The post above have made good points to your questions. omg what the hell was with the little car talk. If you want to get a Capital ship get one. is it going to be practical? HELL NO. Regards (a very frustrated) Death lmao nice response... very mature. The car talk was for the poster who couldnt understand the difference in giving one group of players something comparable to a ferrai while giving the others something comparable to a corolla to do the SAME thing, PVP AND PVE, again the ONLY difference in the 2 is AI and someone saying in local chat "omg you just got pawNzed" though even that the AI could do. Really is what i'm trying to say such a hard concept? or is it just that you pvpers dont want pvers to have anything anywhere close to what you get? even if it took 10 years to get into a capital combat ship the point is we all would have that goal. Just stop posting, please. Your obviously either trolling or ignoring good posts. http://caldarisurplus.2myip.net
Toboor Carlsch	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:53:00 - [44] Originally by: ChinLee, very strange boy i'm just curious if these great items will never be implemented for pve combat if not no worries I simply will play something else. Me, Toboor, pull out white handkerchief from chest pocket and wave in "toodles" fashion at strange boy who ask many question and yell lots as he sail away in shuttle toward other galaxy. Toboor say BYE BYE and wish young man good time on journey to galaxy of RF Online. BYE BYE!
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:57:00 - [45] Edited by: ChinLee on 14/03/2006 02:59:51 Originally by: JamesTalon Originally by: Dark Shikari You didn't read my 3 or 4 posts saying that freighters are great PvE ships? I have one, and its definitely one of the best PvE ships there is. Haul millions of trade goods around, make tons of ISK. Its quite effective. But extremely slow. As in 40 seconds to warp. Ignore him, about the best advice one can give now. He clearly doesn't even know what he wants to ask, since he asked at the start about capital ships for PvE, and then just above yours stated he just wanted to know if some gap was present. Ignoring people who actually know what their talking about FTL. Ignoring people who deserve it FTW Yet you keep replying hmmm I'll take your advise and make this my last post as I see you pvpers are admant about defending your rights to being the only ones to use capital ships. Question: Would there ever be a reason for a pver to ever aspire to obtaining a combat capital ship for the reason of pve content I'm guessing the answer here is NO. Question: Is this by design or are capital ships relatively new aspects of the game and TRUE pve content for them would be added later. I'm guessing the answer here is NO. Synopsis: give the PVPers REALLY nice tools/features and if your not into that lvl of pvp screw you, you'll never have PRACTICAL use for these ships. Although player VERUS player and player VERUS ENVIORNMENT are basically the SAME THING. How you count transporting goods 35 hops in a capital ship the same as player VS ENVIORMENT I'll never know, unless the packages your hauling have the risk of blowing up and destroying your ship .... Again thnx to the peeps with real responses.
Morgen Kell	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:58:00 - [46] ChinLee, it seems everyone is missing your point and I guess they think it's so... cool to use the word "Carebear", you guys need new material me thinks. ChinLee's point is why can't everyone use ALL ships created by the EVE game and I agree. I would love to pilot the biggest and best ship, everyone wants to no matter what role there playing in EVE-Online. And for the people who think this message is a... what do you call it... thinks... oh thats right "Carebear" reply. You guys are Pridictably Pathetic.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:59:00 - [47] Originally by: Toboor Carlsch Originally by: ChinLee, very strange boy i'm just curious if these great items will never be implemented for pve combat if not no worries I simply will play something else. Me, Toboor, pull out white handkerchief from chest pocket and wave in "toodles" fashion at strange boy who ask many question and yell lots as he sail away in shuttle toward other galaxy. Toboor say BYE BYE and wish young man good time on journey to galaxy of RF Online. BYE BYE!
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Dark Shikari Huh? Battleships are a requirement for level 4 missions... You're forgetting HACs and command ships. And, of course, teamwork. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:01:00 - [49] Dreadnaughts are meant for large Fleet-On-Fleet action. Battleships seem to have gone mainstream though.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Morgen Kell I would love to pilot the biggest and best ship, everyone wants to no matter what role there playing in EVE-Online. And for the people who think this message is a... what do you call it... thinks... oh thats right "Carebear" reply. You guys are Pridictably Pathetic. I have the ISK and SP to be in a capital ship should I have chosen to train for one. I didnt. Therefore your statement above is not valid.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:03:00 - [51] Originally by: Morgen Kell ChinLee, it seems everyone is missing your point and I guess they think it's so... cool to use the word "Carebear", you guys need new material me thinks. ChinLee's point is why can't everyone use ALL ships created by the EVE game and I agree. I would love to pilot the biggest and best ship, everyone wants to no matter what role there playing in EVE-Online. And for the people who think this message is a... what do you call it... thinks... oh thats right "Carebear" reply. You guys are Pridictably Pathetic. THE END....
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:07:00 - [52] Originally by: ChinLee I see you pvpers are admant about defending your rights to being the only ones to use capital ships. I'm not a PvPer. I've fought a player in combat twice. First was self defence, the second was with my corp. If you want to see what I do, go out to an asteroid belt and find a retriever mining a belt. That is what I do. I'm a carebear miner. I don't like fighting personally, and I'd avoid it if possible. Quote: Question: Would there ever be a reason for a pver to ever aspire to obtaining a combat capital ship for the reason of pve content I'm guessing the answer here is NO. Since there is hardly any capital ships, for the moment, then there is no real reason to get one if your just running missions or doing complexes. Quote: Question: Is this by design or are capital ships relatively new aspects of the game and TRUE pve content for them would be added later. I'm guessing the answer here is NO. Titans, Carriers, and Motherships. All new to Eve, and only 3 months old or so. They were released with Red Moon Rising, which came out late november, early december. If a PvE application can be found for them, then someone will find it, but as it stands, using Capital ships, as I said before, is too costly for just PvEing. Quote: Synopsis: give the PVPers REALLY nice tools/features and if your not into that lvl or pvp screw you, you'll never have practical use for these ships. Although player VERUS player and player VERUS ENVIORNMENT are basically the SAME THING. How you count transporting goods 35 hops in a capital ship the same as pve I'll never know, unless the packages your hauling have the risk of blowing up and destroying your ship .... I'm not 100% sure on freighters being great PvE ships, as I'm not one to run trades, but DS is someone that I would trust on that stuff. Quote: Again thnx to the peeps with real responses. So basically your saying thanks to people you ignored? http://caldarisurplus.2myip.net
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:15:00 - [53] Chinlee. the one thing you seem to be confuseing everyone about is what you mean by PvE. In THIS Game PvE is a few things. the MAIN one is Player vs NPC controlled ship. Commonly known as Rats. Will a Capital ship help you in doing this. Sure. But it's overkill. PvP is MAINLY combat between player controlled ships. Will a capital ship help you here. Yes. There is also PvP Mineing. Miners who by them selves, or with friends, defend a roid belt from others. It doesn't matter if the "Others" are NPC or Player controlled. They still have to be defended against. Will a Capital ship help here. Sure. But again it'll be overkill. PvE/P is also the market. Tradeing. It's "War" (read Combat) in that the traders vie for control of certain markets. this is their form of PvP. but because in Most cases there is no actual fireing of weapons, this is ALSO concidered PvE. will a capital ship help here, YES. BUT the capital ship in question are the largest of the large haulers. They are NOT combat ships, but just for Hauling large cargo's. in all these cases a "capital ship" will help in some cases, and not in others. You can use a baseball bat to kill a fly, but it's easier and cheaper with a flyswatter. This is why most combat is not with Capital ships. Are capital ships as usefull for PvEers as PvPers, yes and no. it depends on if you mean the fighters, or the haulers. they are both capital ships, but each has it's role. Is the game aimed at PvPers. Yes. But in the 2 months I've been here, I've only encountered PvP maybe 5 times, and that's it. The rest has been PvE. Make of it as you will. A capital ship is a Big ship with either big guns, or a big cargo hold. Which one you use will depend on what you want to do. - - "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." H.L. Mencken.
Grigori Sokolov	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:23:00 - [54] ChinLee, as you may have found out, capital ships (freighters excluded) are restricted mostly to PvP at the moment. However, it does not appear that this will stay this way forever. Level 5 agents are coming. I don't know when or where, but I have seen them around. I'd be willing to bet you'll find a PVE use for a dread in that situation. Until then, if you do decide to play EVE, enjoy your stay, and please, don't smacktalk in local.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I hope this helps. OK, this guy puts it better than me. :D. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
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ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:36:00 - [57] Thanks Nyphur and Telemicus, I believe you two have answered my question.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:39:00 - [58] Originally by: Grigori Sokolov ChinLee, as you may have found out, capital ships (freighters excluded) are restricted mostly to PvP at the moment. However, it does not appear that this will stay this way forever. Level 5 agents are coming. I don't know when or where, but I have seen them around. I'd be willing to bet you'll find a PVE use for a dread in that situation. Until then, if you do decide to play EVE, enjoy your stay, and please, don't smacktalk in local. THATS what i wanted to know....... if there was a POSSIBILITY for these ships to have real player verus NPC COMBAT purposes in the future
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I hope this helps. OK, this guy puts it better than me. :D. Thanks. I think we sometimes get so jaded by the whiners we often get on the forums calling for nerfs we forget that every once in a while there comes along a new guy who just don't get it yet. It's easy to jump down his throat but if you try and forget everything you know about Eve for a moment and consider he may be trying to understand it as WoW in space you can understand his confusion. When I joined I was lucky enough to have a native guide so to speak. Before I even logged in I had the low down on suicide ganks and gate camps so none of it ever came as an unlpeasant suprise after I'd parted with my cash. I really enjoyed your tanking guide in EON2, very informative. I have been polishing up my armour tank ever since. >> RECRUITING <<
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.14 03:52:00 - [60] Originally by: ChinLee THATS what i wanted to know....... if there was a POSSIBILITY for these ships to have real player verus NPC COMBAT purposes in the future I think your problem is the "in the future" part. You should just assume that once things are in-game, that they will not change in any major way. It's a general rule that works most of the time. They aren't going to change capital ships to be more profitable to fly for mission-runners because that's not their role. Ships all fill a specific role. Dreads are for taking out BS and POS, carriers/motherships are for logistical support (healing) and heavy fighter support fire and motherships/titans are specifically for inter-alliance warfare staging. Of all of these, the carrier has the most potential for pve that I can see with the dread coming close second as a tank. However, they are expensive, slow, unwieldy (as mentioned before) and it will probably slow down mission running to use a dread compared to using a battleship. I find it's a good idea to try to work out how to use a ship to the best of its ability and also use a ship which I think is best for the job I'm doing. What's not a good idea is wasting time posting on a forum about how you want a ship changed so it'll be better for what you use it for. If it's the best there is to use, good. If it's not, you're using the wrong thing. Should I complain that my Moa doesn't get a bonus to mining lasers just because I use it for mining? No, I should go get a ship that's better suited for the job, the Osprey. It's a case fo using the right tool for the right job. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.

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