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ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:39:00 - [1] Hi, I'm new to this game but i learn quick. I like some levels of pvp but i'm not hardcore into it. This brings me to my question, looking at all the ships/mods in the game I cant help but notice how many ships/mods are strictly for pvping. For my main focus here is on capital ships (combat not haulers) I cant find a single reason why someone whoes not hardcore into Pvping would EVER put the effort (uh immense effort) to building/buying one. So I was wondering (before buying the game) are the developers here only concerned on rewarding pvpers with such nice toys? or is it that these are relatively new features of the game and pve content will be added to where combat captial ships will be something someone like myself will ever have a need for them. I hope no childish flamers get on this thread and tell me capital ships arent for "carebears" or whatever, i'm just curious if these great items will never be implemented for pve combat if not no worries I simply will play something else. I just dont see it fair to award one group of players just nice items/prestige when we all pay the same amount every month.
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:42:00 - [2] well im not a childish flamer, but Dreadnaughts arnt for carebears. The game is focused around the player interaction yes.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:44:00 - [3] Edited by: ChinLee on 14/03/2006 01:50:34 Uh, I think theres PLENTY of player inaction within pve... ever heard of a party? Why do people here count pvp as the only form of player interaction? ... next? AND btw i'm not asking that these ships be flown in empire space (THUS even if i was a carebear with a Dread i could STILL get blown up in -5 space with it), what I am asking is will there ever be a reason BEYOND pvp to put the effort into making/buying/flying capital ships.
Jason Kildaro	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:48:00 - [4] There are some pretty big rewards for PvE players as well. Outposts, Stations and Tech2 barges.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:50:00 - [5] To be honest it does not look like EvE is the game for you.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Deja Thoris To be honest it does not look like EvE is the game for you. Oh i see.. so if i'm not a pvper I shouldnt play thnx for the info.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:53:00 - [7] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/03/2006 01:53:31 Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: Deja Thoris To be honest it does not look like EvE is the game for you. Oh i see.. so if i'm not a pvper I shouldnt play thnx for the info. What are you talking about? And what do you mean by PvP? Do you mean just combat? There's PvP through the market and politics, too. But no, capital ships are certainly not for PvE. Just like warp scramblers aren't. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Jason Kildaro There are some pretty big rewards for PvE players as well. Outposts, Stations and Tech2 barges. Author I agree with these, but there are reasons why a pver would put the effort into making/getting these items, any reason for a pver to get a capital ship?
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:54:00 - [9] Well, I know the Battleships arn't the biggest, ships, but I see a LOT of miners useing them. As for The BIG ships for non-PvP.. Well. how about guarding miners in 0.0 space? they'll have to be defended against pirates, both the NPC and the human kind. - - "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." H.L. Mencken.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:55:00 - [10] Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: Jason Kildaro There are some pretty big rewards for PvE players as well. Outposts, Stations and Tech2 barges. Author I agree with these, but there are reasons why a pver would put the effort into making/getting these items, any reason for a pver to get a capital ship? Because every alliance needs its carebears. An outpost is a great place to mine out of--you can put it in an arkanor system and just mine billions of ISK [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Jason Kildaro	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:55:00 - [11] Originally by: ChinLee Edited by: ChinLee on 14/03/2006 01:50:34 Uh, I think theres PLENTY of player inaction within pve... ever heard of a party? Why do people here count pvp as the only form of player interaction? ... next? AND btw i'm not asking that these ships be flown in empire space (THUS even if i was a carebear with a Dread i could STILL get blown up in -5 space with it), what I am asking is will there ever be a reason BEYOND pvp to put the effort into making/buying/flying capital ships. Well why would you want a dread then? I guess you could solo a complex with a dread but other than that there is no reason to build a capital ship for PvE.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Eternal Fury Well, I know the Battleships arn't the biggest, ships, but I see a LOT of miners useing them. As for The BIG ships for non-PvP.. Well. how about guarding miners in 0.0 space? they'll have to be defended against pirates, both the NPC and the human kind. I see your point here Aurther but if the only reason a pver would get these ships are for gaurd duty dunno about you but that doesnt sound like much fun.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:59:00 - [13] Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: Eternal Fury Well, I know the Battleships arn't the biggest, ships, but I see a LOT of miners useing them. As for The BIG ships for non-PvP.. Well. how about guarding miners in 0.0 space? they'll have to be defended against pirates, both the NPC and the human kind. I see your point here Aurther but if the only reason a pver would get these ships are for gaurd duty dunno about you but that doesnt sound like much fun. Huh? Battleships are a requirement for level 4 missions... [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Jason Kildaro	Posted - 2006.03.14 01:59:00 - [14] Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: Eternal Fury Well, I know the Battleships arn't the biggest, ships, but I see a LOT of miners useing them. As for The BIG ships for non-PvP.. Well. how about guarding miners in 0.0 space? they'll have to be defended against pirates, both the NPC and the human kind. I see your point here Aurther but if the only reason a pver would get these ships are for gaurd duty dunno about you but that doesnt sound like much fun. Well Battleships are used for level 4 missions as well.
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:00:00 - [15] The thing is, you ask about big ships and who they reward. Well, there are big combat ships, and big cargo ships. Which suits your game play. - - "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." H.L. Mencken.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Jason Kildaro Originally by: ChinLee Edited by: ChinLee on 14/03/2006 01:50:34 Uh, I think theres PLENTY of player inaction within pve... ever heard of a party? Why do people here count pvp as the only form of player interaction? ... next? AND btw i'm not asking that these ships be flown in empire space (THUS even if i was a carebear with a Dread i could STILL get blown up in -5 space with it), what I am asking is will there ever be a reason BEYOND pvp to put the effort into making/buying/flying capital ships. Well why would you want a dread then? I guess you could solo a complex with a dread but other than that there is no reason to build a capital ship for PvE. Gotcha, thats basically all I was asking, was hoping the devs of this game put some thought/consideration for the differnt player types of eve, but I see they are really only concerned about the pvpers, which isnt a problem hey its their game, just sad to see a game with such great potentional limit itself to one aspect of mmoing. I saw a thread about why there arent any random npc "POSs" that we could attack that would be nice pveing and for the pvper whiners.. they could always ambush the corp trying to take down the POS, but ah well.. thanks for the replys.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:03:00 - [17] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/03/2006 02:03:30 Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: Jason Kildaro Originally by: ChinLee Edited by: ChinLee on 14/03/2006 01:50:34 Uh, I think theres PLENTY of player inaction within pve... ever heard of a party? Why do people here count pvp as the only form of player interaction? ... next? AND btw i'm not asking that these ships be flown in empire space (THUS even if i was a carebear with a Dread i could STILL get blown up in -5 space with it), what I am asking is will there ever be a reason BEYOND pvp to put the effort into making/buying/flying capital ships. Well why would you want a dread then? I guess you could solo a complex with a dread but other than that there is no reason to build a capital ship for PvE. Gotcha, thats basically all I was asking, was hoping the devs of this game put some thought/consideration for the differnt player types of eve, but I see they are really only concerned about the pvpers, which isnt a problem hey its their game, just sad to see a game with such great potentional limit itself to one aspect of mmoing. I saw a thread about why there arent any random npc "POSs" that we could attack that would be nice pveing and for the pvper whiners.. they could always ambush the corp trying to take down the POS, but ah well.. thanks for the replys. Are you purposefully ignoring all the posts in this thread saying otherwise? Or are you just blind? And what is your definition of "PvE" anyways? Is crafting PvE? Is running a starbase PvE? Are missions PvE? Are COSMOS missions PvE? These are all MASSIVE portions of the game designed specifically for PvE. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:04:00 - [18] If your not into the combat PvP, then you will find little use in the Capital ships. And just for PvE, since most Capital ships (only one I can think of that this doesn't apply to is the freighter) have jump drives, and can't use gates, so they would be extremly costly, and you would never make any isk if your buying fuel all the time. http://caldarisurplus.2myip.net
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:05:00 - [19] And I don't get why its a bad thing that Capital Ships aren't for PvE. Freighters don't help you in PvP, but we're not complaining about them being useless. We aren't asking for guns to be equippable on freighters. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/03/2006 02:03:30 Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: Jason Kildaro Originally by: ChinLee Edited by: ChinLee on 14/03/2006 01:50:34 Uh, I think theres PLENTY of player inaction within pve... ever heard of a party? Why do people here count pvp as the only form of player interaction? ... next? AND btw i'm not asking that these ships be flown in empire space (THUS even if i was a carebear with a Dread i could STILL get blown up in -5 space with it), what I am asking is will there ever be a reason BEYOND pvp to put the effort into making/buying/flying capital ships. Well why would you want a dread then? I guess you could solo a complex with a dread but other than that there is no reason to build a capital ship for PvE. Gotcha, thats basically all I was asking, was hoping the devs of this game put some thought/consideration for the differnt player types of eve, but I see they are really only concerned about the pvpers, which isnt a problem hey its their game, just sad to see a game with such great potentional limit itself to one aspect of mmoing. I saw a thread about why there arent any random npc "POSs" that we could attack that would be nice pveing and for the pvper whiners.. they could always ambush the corp trying to take down the POS, but ah well.. thanks for the replys. Are you purposefully ignoring all the posts in this thread saying otherwise? Or are you just blind? And what is your definition of "PvE" anyways? Is crafting PvE? Is running a starbase PvE? Are missions PvE? Are COSMOS missions PvE? These are all MASSIVE portions of the game designed specifically for PvE. 1. No replys have stated any reason for a pver to ever dream of getting a capital ship (notice the word capital) 2. Do not compare the "reward" of flying a BS to flying a capital ship. 3. How is running a starbase "pve" Pve = Player VERUS environment. 4. YOU need to read the question before calling anyone blind.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:09:00 - [21] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/03/2006 02:11:17 Originally by: ChinLee 1. No replys have stated any reason for a pver to ever dream of getting a capital ship (notice the word capital) You ignored another post of mine, again. Capital ships aren't for PvE, while Freighters aren't for PvP, just like Warp Disruptors aren't for PvE. Originally by: ChinLee 2. Do not compare the "reward" of flying a BS to flying a capital ship. What are you talking about? You're not making much sense. Originally by: ChinLee 3. How is running a starbase "pve" Pve = Player VERUS environment. Because there's no players that are trying to stop you from doing it. Originally by: ChinLee 4. YOU need to read the question before calling anyone blind. So answer my question: what is your definition of PvE? You seem to think that the only form of PvE in the game is killing NPCs. Which it isn't. I'd say a good 80% of the game content is completely unrelated to PvP, if not more. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:10:00 - [22] Originally by: ChinLee was hoping the devs of this game put some thought/consideration for the differnt player types of eve, Whining before purchase. You may just fit in. EvE is about the journey, not the destination. It's a massive universe full of surprises and intracies worth discovering. You havent even purchased the game and you are looking at "end game" ships. What happened with enjoying the ride? When I said EvE probably isnt the game for you, I meant it in terms of the above paragraph, not in terms of "there is no PvE content" Theres plenty of PvE content. The dev's have done extensive work on that part of the game. Theres always room for improvement ofc but your quoted statement makes you sound like an ill-informed 12 year old WoW brat. Dreads and other capital ships are not useful PvE ships at the moment. But in 18 months when you may be able to fly one perhaps they will be. Who knows?
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:10:00 - [23] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/03/2006 02:11:33 Oh great, this thread again. At any rate there is plenty of content for non pvpers, ever tried COSMOS agents? Edit: Seconding post below mine.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Dark Shikari And I don't get why its a bad thing that Capital Ships aren't for PvE. Freighters don't help you in PvP, but we're not complaining about them being useless. We aren't asking for guns to be equippable on freighters. Well lets see... you have 2 kids, one you give the keys to a 2006 ferrai the other you have the keys to a 1982 corolla and tell them to take their new toys out for a test drive. This is the same effect of how its setup atm. So yea the one driving the ferrai goes "duh... whats wrong with what your driving?" to the one in the corolla, I wonder why. What the hell would be wrong in comming up with Pve content for capital ships in .0 space? Then again I dont think the kid with the ferrai would lend the keys over to the other for a test drive either.
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/03/2006 02:11:17 Originally by: ChinLee 1. No replys have stated any reason for a pver to ever dream of getting a capital ship (notice the word capital) You ignored another post of mine, again. Capital ships aren't for PvE, while Freighters aren't for PvP, just like Warp Disruptors aren't for PvE. Originally by: ChinLee 2. Do not compare the "reward" of flying a BS to flying a capital ship. What are you talking about? You're not making much sense. Originally by: ChinLee 3. How is running a starbase "pve" Pve = Player VERUS environment. Because there's no players that are trying to stop you from doing it. Originally by: ChinLee 4. YOU need to read the question before calling anyone blind. So answer my question: what is your definition of PvE? You seem to think that the only form of PvE in the game is killing NPCs. Which it isn't. I'd say a good 80% of the game content is completely unrelated to PvP, if not more. The definiton of VERUS relates to against.. so again runnign a star base could never be pve because the STARBASE isnt attacking you. If you dont understand what I mean by the term "Do not compare the "reward" of flying a BS to flying a capital ship." Then theres no further need for you to reply. Thnx
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:15:00 - [26] Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: Dark Shikari And I don't get why its a bad thing that Capital Ships aren't for PvE. Freighters don't help you in PvP, but we're not complaining about them being useless. We aren't asking for guns to be equippable on freighters. Well lets see... you have 2 kids, one you give the keys to a 2006 ferrai the other you have the keys to a 1982 corolla and tell them to take their new toys out for a test drive. This is the same effect of how its setup atm. So yea the one driving the ferrai goes "duh... whats wrong with what your driving?" to the one in the corolla, I wonder why. What the hell would be wrong in comming up with Pve content for capital ships in .0 space? Then again I dont think the kid with the ferrai would lend the keys over to the other for a test drive either. What are you talking about here? You seem to completely misunderstand EVE. Dreadnoughts and carriers are not "end game ships." In fact, compared to most other ships in EVE, they are basically useless. Dreadnoughts are ONLY effective for taking down starbases, and carriers are ONLY effective in small fleet combat, and even then aren't too effective due to their very weak tanks. I'd far rather fly a battleship or even a cruiser than a dreadnought. In PvE, a Harpy (T2 frigate) can complete level 3 missions considerably fast (=more ISK) than a much larger Ferox, or even a battleship. In PvE, a Deimos (T2 cruiser) can complete level 4 missions and kill 0.0 NPCs and loot them much faster than most battleships. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
0bsession	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:22:00 - [27] freighters are capital ships... and good for PvE. It does seem there is getting to be a bigger gap between the PvPers and the PvEers... honest truth is, if you are mulling around anywhere in low sec with a carrier or dread, you'll have a big red X on you. PvPers will be drolling to pop your billion dollar investment and laughing as they do it. PvP has become gank the small guy... But to be honest, there's plenty of action in Empire... a capital ship is nice, but not a needed toy to have fun.
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:22:00 - [28] I'd venture the guess that Carriers are pretty awesome for PvE. At least coop pve. Assault Missile Launcher Improvement
ChinLee	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:30:00 - [29] Originally by: 0bsession freighters are capital ships... and good for PvE. It does seem there is getting to be a bigger gap between the PvPers and the PvEers... honest truth is, if you are mulling around anywhere in low sec with a carrier or dread, you'll have a big red X on you. PvPers will be drolling to pop your billion dollar investment and laughing as they do it. PvP has become gank the small guy... But to be honest, there's plenty of action in Empire... a capital ship is nice, but not a needed toy to have fun. Finally a reply that makes sense! (Aurther you been awesome too!) I just wanted to see if the gap I notice (between pvping and pveing) was actually there or if i was missing something. Yea, I also agree with theres lots more fun things to do with pve (in empire or low sec) again thnx for the replys just helped a new player out And although I'm only one i'm SURE plenty have noticed the trend of this game.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.14 02:31:00 - [30] Originally by: ChinLee Originally by: 0bsession freighters are capital ships... and good for PvE. It does seem there is getting to be a bigger gap between the PvPers and the PvEers... honest truth is, if you are mulling around anywhere in low sec with a carrier or dread, you'll have a big red X on you. PvPers will be drolling to pop your billion dollar investment and laughing as they do it. PvP has become gank the small guy... But to be honest, there's plenty of action in Empire... a capital ship is nice, but not a needed toy to have fun. Finally a reply that makes sense! (Aurther you been awesome too!) I just wanted to see if the gap I notice (between pvping and pveing) was actually there or if i was missing something. Yea, I also agree with theres lots more fun things to do with pve (in empire or low sec) again thnx for the replys just helped a new player out And although I'm only one i'm SURE plenty have noticed the trend of this game. You didn't read my 3 or 4 posts saying that freighters are great PvE ships? I have one, and its definitely one of the best PvE ships there is. Haul millions of trade goods around, make tons of ISK. Its quite effective. But extremely slow. As in 40 seconds to warp. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.

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