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Zainawa Barviainen Magnetic Scent Of Power 8	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:33:00 - [1] - Quote Hi Since the EvE site www.eve-who.com went live, griefer war decs have tripled due to a attacking corp able to look up an entire corp members roster and use locator agents to find targets Bottom line is A corps member roster is private and Chribba should not be allowed access to CCP servers to provide this information to the public of eve. Yes spys can be used, but people don't even bother with it. Look at our war with PIRAT, they know exactly where we all are at anytime. EvE who's access to corp members rosters need to be taken down CCP is making empire war a viable business You are destroying high sec for those of us have have lived in null n do not want to go back
Pilgrim Baldiz Magnetic Scent Of Power 0	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:37:00 - [2] - Quote signed
Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 48	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:51:00 - [3] - Quote if this is true - supported
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 1694	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:55:00 - [4] - Quote Not supported. HTFU. You have the same access as the griefer corps - add their members to your watchlist and use locator agents to track their movements and stay (reasonably) safe. Don't cry that mommy needs to hold your hand and protect you from the evil boogeyman. There's already a game for that, and it's not EVE. It's not even Chribba's server.
Kaerakh Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service. 64	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:56:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah, I don't really see what is wrong. Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Since the EvE site www.eve-who.com went live, griefer war decs have tripled due to a attacking corp able to look up an entire corp members roster and use locator agents to find targets Great! Highsec is too static and safe anyways. Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Yes spys can be used, but people don't even bother with it. Spies are difficult to plant in smaller groups and the only real upsides are the ability to sabotage operations, steal assets, and provide more immediate, and detailed, intelligence than locator agents. I wouldn't say they're useless or unused. A good spy is never detected until the handler decides to burn the agent. Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Look at our war with PIRAT, they know exactly where we all are at anytime. Unfortunately you forfeit a good deal of credibility and your ability to field an objective argument with this bit. Zainawa Barviainen wrote: CCP is making empire war a viable business That's kind of what the point of 2-3 different expansions. It's good that highsec is becoming more dynamic. Zainawa Barviainen wrote: You are destroying high sec for those of us have have lived in null n do not want to go back Well there's w-space, low-sec, and npc-null. That's quite a bit of space for you to try and find something new to do that doesn't involve sov. And to say that highsec is being destroyed is an exaggeration. You just have to play smarter. A very foreign concept in EVE I know.
Zainawa Barviainen Magnetic Scent Of Power 9	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:02:00 - [6] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Not supported. HTFU. You have the same access as the griefer corps - add their members to your watchlist and use locator agents to track their movements and stay (reasonably) safe. Don't cry that mommy needs to hold your hand and protect you from the evil boogeyman. There's already a game for that, and it's not EVE. It's not even Chribba's server. More than that, it doesn't even need server access in order to do its job. Spoken like a true griefer
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 1694	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:06:00 - [7] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Spoken like a true griefer Would it interest you to know that I'm actually not? Amusingly enough, the worst I do is bump Orcas that pick stupid places (like busy undocks) to align. After a minute or two I let them go. Other than that, I'm quite content to let people go about their business without any interest from me. I do not, however, support anything that makes EVE (especially highsec) safer than it already is. Highsec is quite safe enough already. And remember: Always use an insta when undocking your fat, expensive spacewhales!
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2154	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:36:00 - [8] - Quote Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is)
Kaerakh Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service. 64	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:38:00 - [9] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is) Yes, that's all it is. If you shut something like this down then that's basically grounds to shut anything API related down. Slippery slope.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2392	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:41:00 - [10] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: www.eve-who.com went live, griefer war decs have tripled due to a attacking corp able to look up an entire corp members roster and use locator agents to find targets Really? On what do you base this, just curious. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?

Zainawa Barviainen Magnetic Scent Of Power 9	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:43:00 - [11] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is) EvE Who is linked to the ccps servers. it is not api related U can find the full roster of any corp, who they are, how many members and use locator agents to track every member of that corp Making out of the way alts pointless This has lead to a surge in empire griefer corps and alliances, all you have to do is watch the war list in game. it needs to stop. Chribba is human, we have no idea who, or what he is selling hsi personal conenction info to and neither do ccp its as simple as that
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2392	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:48:00 - [12] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is) EvE Who is linked to the ccps servers. it is not api related U can find the full roster of any corp, who they are, how many members and use locator agents to track every member of that corp Making out of the way alts pointless This has lead to a surge in empire griefer corps and alliances, all you have to do is watch the war list in game. it needs to stop. Chribba is human, we have no idea who, or what he is selling hsi personal conenction info to and neither do ccp its as simple as that Eve-who has nothing to do with Chribba. BTW it does not scrap the cache or work off API. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=83539#post83539 Quote: Hi guys, thanks for checking out EveWho. I was asked to come here and clarify a couple of things. 1) I am NOT scraping the API. 2) All information I've retrieved is publicly available somewhere. 3) I am NOT scraping the API. I am well aware of CCP's policies per using the API and I have no intention of abusing them. I built the initial database by getting a character dump from Eve-Kill, scraping some forums, scraping a few hundred other killboards, and from a couple of donations of character name lists. I am NOT scraping the API. I built this site by using resources available to everyone. That includes you. I saw another site similar to EveWho a few months ago and thought I could do a better job. I believe I did. If you think you can do a better job, you just might be able to do so :) I am NOT scraping the API. Once again let me restate that I am not scraping the API. I might cause an error or two every few minutes but no where near enough to get myself Scotty'ed or even banned. I like getting along with Scotty anyway. I am NOT scraping the API. Please continue to enjoy EveWho for good or bad, whichever you prefer. Fly dangerous, Squizz Sounds like EveWho is taking publicly available information and compiling it into one place. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Kaerakh Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service. 64	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:50:00 - [13] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is) EvE Who is linked to the ccps servers. it is not api related U can find the full roster of any corp, who they are, how many members and use locator agents to track every member of that corp After actually reading what it is the OP is right in the fact it's not api related, but really it's just using publicly available information like eve-kill. Same way Wormhol.es works. The OP's statement about it being linked is unfounded and quite amusingly paranoid.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 4615	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:53:00 - [14] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: CCP is making empire war a viable business This made me laugh. I fondly remember it as being viable before any changes were made. Find a POS or a group of ill tempered ratter/miners... declare war... smash some things... scoop the loot... Hmmm... I may need to get my security status back up to 0.0 again. Zainawa Barviainen wrote: You are destroying high sec for those of us have have lived in null n do not want to go back You guys need a new line. Really now... I've been hearing this for YEARS and yet there are more ~~potential targets~~ people than ever. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Zainawa Barviainen Magnetic Scent Of Power 9	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:54:00 - [15] - Quote Kaerakh wrote: Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is) EvE Who is linked to the ccps servers. it is not api related U can find the full roster of any corp, who they are, how many members and use locator agents to track every member of that corp After actually reading what it is the OP is right in the fact it's not api related, but really it's just using publicly available information like eve-kill. Same way Wormhol.es works. The OP's statement about it being linked is unfounded and quite amusingly paranoid. wrong, it lists both my alts who have never fire a shot at anyone nor been killed by anyone So explain that. It's bs and i can assure you, i am not paranoid at all.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 4615	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:56:00 - [16] - Quote How about, "people have manually added characters because they consider them potential targets"? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2393	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:03:00 - [17] - Quote Oh my god! Eve-Kill are bad people: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1793582 OMG /0\ http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=355235 OMFG make it stop!!!! http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=355235&view=pilot_losses&m=12&y=2013 Point being, that people who want to can go ahead and get lots of information on your characters that is already out there. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2393	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:08:00 - [18] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Kaerakh wrote: Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is) EvE Who is linked to the ccps servers. it is not api related U can find the full roster of any corp, who they are, how many members and use locator agents to track every member of that corp After actually reading what it is the OP is right in the fact it's not api related, but really it's just using publicly available information like eve-kill. Same way Wormhol.es works. The OP's statement about it being linked is unfounded and quite amusingly paranoid. wrong, it lists both my alts who have never fire a shot at anyone nor been killed by anyone So explain that. It's bs and i can assure you, i am not paranoid at all. Read the relevant links. For example: Disclaimer: All numbers based on known characters and may differ from in game values. All characters found by scavenging killboards, forums, eve-search, and finding holes in character id sequence data and filling them. Ever posted on any Eve related forum that is publicly accessible with those characters, for example? Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 856	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:23:00 - [19] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Not supported. HTFU. You have the same access as the griefer corps - add their members to your watchlist and use locator agents to track their movements and stay (reasonably) safe. Don't cry that mommy needs to hold your hand and protect you from the evil boogeyman. There's already a game for that, and it's not EVE. It's not even Chribba's server. More than that, it doesn't even need server access in order to do its job. Spoken like a true griefer That's an unfair attack on Alvatore Dimarco, you have just as much access to information as anybody else in eve. You should learn to use the information sources at your disposal to even things out a bit as indicated by others in earlier posts. Good quality information is critical to success in Eve Online. Eve-Kill and sites like Battleclinic will allow you to see how successful your enemy is and what ships, they fly, who they fly with and allow you guess at a likely fit. The answer to high sec wardecs is easy just fly lots of cheap disposable Griffins and screen your ship movements using them. Ewar scares the hell out of wardeccers as it will render their guns and their neutral RR alts useless. During a wardec we once fielded a couple of scorpions and some blackbirds to support our big guns. Our enemy wouldn't even undock. You can also slip over the border to low sec and adjust your playstyle for a week or so as the Highsec War Deccers or so called griefer corps rarely follow people into low as they too become at risk. It evens the odds and all we all know that in Eve if anyone thinks they are in a fair fight or have even odds they do not engage. Capsuleers like overwhelming force. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 343	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:35:00 - [20] - Quote a Chribba is a source of evilness in eve thread.... well I finally got my wish. Something new and original in F&I, thought I'd never see the day.

Sid Crash 11	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:50:00 - [21] - Quote OP seems to be ok with blobbing the living snot out of people but somehow feels intel isn't fair, OP is also wrong on the mechanics behind it and the fact that it's not Chribba's doing at all. Then you read the OP's corp info and you realise we're dealing with someone who likes to talk a lot and is an attention *****. In short: not supported, get out.
Scuzzy Logic Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 111	Posted - 2013.12.30 01:16:00 - [22] - Quote Signed
Markku Laaksonen EVE University Ivy League 297	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:57:00 - [23] - Quote Just a few thoughts on the matter... When we get wardec'ed I find the members of the corp in game and add them manually to my watch list with appropriate standings to keep them sorted in my contacts. I used to do this as I saw them flashing red in local or on other Unista's loss mails. Eventually I wised up to our intel list where diligent Unistas got together the name of every WT in the wardec'ing corp/alliance and I add them to my watch list manually. Now our intel list uses eve-who and it's practically automated. It's very convenient, simple, and easy. To take the phrase of some of the player base, eve-who (and tools like it) 'holds my hand and protects me from the evil boogeyman.' As a side note, eve-central makes playing markets much easier. Why bother placing myself (and alts, because yay alts) where I can view several region's market data when eve-central 'holds my hand' and gives me everything I could ever want with a reasonable level of accuracy? I use these tools. I appreciate them. But if you're going to respond to the OP with the typical "HTFU' bullshit, then you have to consider. All of these 3rd party tools exist to do something that make our lives much easier. At what point are those tools a convenience and when do they cross the line into 'dumbing down EVE' or 'hand holding'? Edit: To clarify my position, I don't know the details of how eve-who works. Don't have much of an opinion on the matter.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 8692	Posted - 2013.12.30 06:45:00 - [24] - Quote Does this thread REALLY belong in F&I? I mean the whole Wardec tears thing makes it smack of C&P. The whole CCP Y U NO STOP GREEEEEFERS BECUZ HIGHSEK SPOSED TO BE 100PURCENT SAFE?!??!111111one111! smacks of GD. The whole talking bad of Chribba..well... that has no place on this forum at all. That man has done more for you then you even realize. Oh...and CCP IS making empire war a viable business...as it should be. High sec isn't 100% safe. Stop bringing your highsec entitlement to F&I. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 10660	Posted - 2013.12.30 06:54:00 - [25] - Quote As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from. But regardless of that, I have a very similar part of eveboard that allows you to check characters over at eb:global. Here's the problem with your request though. While I fully understand that you feel it has become easier for griefers and others pilots to find out all your members (almost all anyway) the problem with taking it away is that suddenly it's no longer accessible by the public, you, me, someone else with the click of a button. Instead, certain griefer corps, alliances, solo pilots, anyone that really wants, will start to gather and compile this type of information themselves and hence having an advantage over you that might not there is such a thing, or have the knowledge or money to create or buy it yourself. How many times haven't people raged about a single entity having the upper hand, be it having private tools, better intel or faster petition times. Go figure how it would look if griefer corp X still were able to keep track of your every member and only them, quite the advantage they got huh? So while you might feel it is a sucky thing that things like this is public, at least this way your playfield is leveled with them, you can see all their members just as they can see yours, not only one side. On the point of "access", there's no special access to CCP's data. You or anyone else could just as easily compile data like this, it's just a matter of know-how. There's no special secret database I use to get the data, tbh it's not even possible to query for a full member list of a corporation. It's just a matter of compiling millions of rows with data and group them properly. So you would see data being out of date for that very reason, because a pilot may not be in the same corporation as when the data was retrieved, that would only change once that specific pilot gets its data updated again. /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2397	Posted - 2013.12.30 06:59:00 - [26] - Quote Markku Laaksonen wrote: Edit: To clarify my position, I don't know the details of how eve-who works. Don't have much of an opinion on the matter. It works pretty much via what you used to do, but some guy went out and wrote a program that does it for him. He then put it on website for people to use...both sides in a war dec can use it. All of the information in eve-who comes from kill boards, eve-search, and other (presumably) Eve related form--i.e. you could get that information too. For example the OP complains that all the members of his corp are known to the alliance that decced them. Well, he can learn the names of all the pilots that decced them too. http://evewho.com/alli/P+I+R+A+T You can add them all to your contacts list and see exactly which of them are on. You can use locator agents to learn where they are too. Also, Eve-Who missed a number corp members in the OPs corp. http://evewho.com/corp/Magnetic+Scent+Of+Power I see 79 players listed. In game the description tells me there are 85 members. So as the creator of Eve-Who notes, it is not perfect. Does it make it easier for Eve players? Yes...all of them. Nobody is prevented from using Eve-who or eve-central. The playing field is level. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 812	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:42:00 - [27] - Quote Regarding that EVE-Who site, this is my favourite statement so far: CCP Navigator wrote: I have spoken with the developers who manage and maintain the EVE API. They have assured me that evewho is not conducting any illegal or underhand method of obtaining API information. All information gathered has been posted publicly in one form or another. We maintain a very close eye on what is happening with the API and will continue to do so./c Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Shepard Wong Ogeko GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 655	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:47:00 - [28] - Quote Chribba wrote: As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from. Deny it all you want. How does it feel to have all that blood on your hands you monster.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 345	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:49:00 - [29] - Quote op...unconfuse me, please. When did AAv3ry leave corp? They are listed is listed on eve who is. But not on this handy dandy corporate list in your very own site. Is eve who is psychic and this person is yet to join or how old is eve who is data if they left? Now why you are complaining about about eve who is when your corps links have your roster on your home page....well wtf is up with that and could you unconfuse me here as well. Want to wear the tinfoil hat you have to join a tin foil corp. Trust me there are many out there. went to a new home, I ask for the location of a jb or safe pos and mr pananoid asks why you asking? Me being a smart ass go because the 20 other pl or goon spies in the alliance may have slacked off, I am just gathering intel on the 1 pos they may have missed. Got some laughs in comms...did not make me friends with mr paranoid though. Oh well.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 10668	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:50:00 - [30] - Quote Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: Chribba wrote: As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from. Deny it all you want. How does it feel to have all that blood on your hands you monster. Sticky. GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba




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