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Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 812	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:53:00 - [31] - Quote Chribba wrote: Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: Chribba wrote: As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from. Deny it all you want. How does it feel to have all that blood on your hands you monster. Sticky. This answer deserves at least 10 likes and maybe some lols in addition. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Shepard Wong Ogeko GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 656	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:58:00 - [32] - Quote Chribba wrote: Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: Chribba wrote: As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from. Deny it all you want. How does it feel to have all that blood on your hands you monster. Sticky. As always, I admire you for your honesty.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 767	Posted - 2013.12.30 12:12:00 - [33] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Not supported. HTFU. You have the same access as the griefer corps - add their members to your watchlist and use locator agents to track their movements and stay (reasonably) safe. Yes, everyone can use. Doesn't mean it's good. I don't support eve-who being cut off from API feeds. I do support closing any API feeds whatsoever (safe for those protected, like character info APIs only owner can use). Wanna intel - please jump in your ship, haul your arse there and do it via in-game means.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 9943	Posted - 2013.12.30 12:52:00 - [34] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: You are destroying high sec for those of us have have lived in null n do not want to go back yes evewho is making the game absolutely unplayable in hisec Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2259	Posted - 2013.12.30 12:53:00 - [35] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Kaerakh wrote: Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is) EvE Who is linked to the ccps servers. it is not api related U can find the full roster of any corp, who they are, how many members and use locator agents to track every member of that corp After actually reading what it is the OP is right in the fact it's not api related, but really it's just using publicly available information like eve-kill. Same way Wormhol.es works. The OP's statement about it being linked is unfounded and quite amusingly paranoid. wrong, it lists both my alts who have never fire a shot at anyone nor been killed by anyone So explain that. It's bs and i can assure you, i am not paranoid at all. It uses the API. Here's how it works: To obtain character information, it hands the character name or id to the API server, which return the character info. Now what you are asking is, how do they get the name or ID? It's not through API scraping (which is by going id by id though the API ignoring invalid ones). What they do is they sit characters in popular systems and channels, then they pull all of the names and ids they can out of chat logs, cached portraits, killboards, the forum, pretty much anywhere they can. Once a characters ID is in the list, it will be there forever and will simply update whenever that character changes corp, etc. It's all standard stuff that anyone can do. They don't have access to the server, you are simply assuming incorrectly. Get over it. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 50	Posted - 2013.12.30 13:01:00 - [36] - Quote I actually find EVE-Who to be very useful as an intel source against War Deccing alliances. Now, can you point to hard data and not opinion that backs up your claim that EVE-Who is directly responsible for increasing High Sec war decs? All EVE who does is compile data that is otherwise spread out into one location. Anyone can look up a corps kill board. Anyone can see it. Even you. It takes a lot of work out of researching corporations that war dec'ed my alliance and sure, they can see most of it's members, but I can see most of theirs as well. It evens the playing field. But actually increase war decs? You seriously don't know how the 'pros' work do you? You or some other member of your corp were most likely seen with something of high value either PvE-ing or transporting to a trade hub on many an occasion and they decided hey, they may have some great loot dropping if we war dec them. Or someone you ticked off in the forums decided to hire a merc corp to go after you. They would have done all the research with or without EVE-Who and came up with the same list.
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 50	Posted - 2013.12.30 13:03:00 - [37] - Quote Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: As always, I admire you for your honesty. Clearly a face saving move. ;)
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2740	Posted - 2013.12.30 13:22:00 - [38] - Quote You know, if your corp lived up to its incredibly bombastic corp description (quoted below) I would think you wouldn't have problems with highsec wardecs at all, because you'd be kicking the ** out of them. Talk is cheap, I guess. Quote:** Study Us, Get All Over Us, Look Closely, Look Real Close, Because The Closer You Look, The Less You Will See, We Will Always Be One Step, Three Steps, No, Ten Steps Ahead And When You Think Your Ahead, Bam, We Will be Right Behind You, You Will Never Be Anywhere Other Than Where We Want You To Be..... Enjoy the corp bounty. I'm sure your aggressors will. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Squizz Caphinator Woopatang 144	Posted - 2013.12.30 13:46:00 - [39] - Quote Hi folks, Like Chribba has already said, EveWho isn't his site, its mine. Chribba, take praise in the idea that all eve related websites lead to you! Long live the Veldnaught! Anyhow, the link is http://evewho.com not the http://www.eve-who.com that is mislinked by OP. I don't know or care who owns eve-who.com, props to them if they come up with something useful. In any case, all the concerns that were raised in this thread have already been discussed and answered in other threads. Do your research! Cheers, Squizz Various projects I enjoy putting my time into: http://zkillboard.com \| http://evewho.com \| http://eve-kill.net \| http://evechatter.com \| http://skillq.net

CCP Falcon 5338	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:05:00 - [40] - Quote Are you serious? CCP Falcon -á \|\| -á EVE Community Manager -á \|\| -á EVE Illuminati @CCP_Falcon -á \|\| -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents


Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 13422	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:06:00 - [41] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: Hi Since the EvE site www.eve-who.com went live, griefer war decs have tripled due to a attacking corp able to look up an entire corp members roster and use locator agents to find targets Bottom line is A corps member roster is private Bottom line is: nope, it's public information. 1 Kings 12:11
R U SERIOUS Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:17:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Are you serious? You rang?

CCP Falcon 5338	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:18:00 - [43] - Quote R U SERIOUS wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Are you serious? You rang? omg CCP Falcon -á \|\| -á EVE Community Manager -á \|\| -á EVE Illuminati @CCP_Falcon -á \|\| -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents

Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 590	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:20:00 - [44] - Quote Posting rants about "griefer" war decs...on a main is...one way to go
Zainawa Barviainen Magnetic Scent Of Power 11	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:27:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Are you serious? Grow up Your a dev, act like one
Zainawa Barviainen Magnetic Scent Of Power 11	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:28:00 - [46] - Quote mynnna wrote: You know, if your corp lived up to its incredibly bombastic corp description (quoted below) I would think you wouldn't have problems with highsec wardecs at all, because you'd be kicking the ** out of them. Talk is cheap, I guess. Quote:** Study Us, Get All Over Us, Look Closely, Look Real Close, Because The Closer You Look, The Less You Will See, We Will Always Be One Step, Three Steps, No, Ten Steps Ahead And When You Think Your Ahead, Bam, We Will be Right Behind You, You Will Never Be Anywhere Other Than Where We Want You To Be..... Enjoy the corp bounty. I'm sure your aggressors will. very mature a CSM member placing a 1billion isk bounty on a high sec corp because he disagrees with a forum post outstanding choice for CSM u where

CCP Falcon 5341	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:32:00 - [47] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Are you serious? Grow up Your a dev, act like one Grow up? I'm 29 years old, and 5'6" tall... I don't think there's much hope for me. On a more serious note, the site is built by a third party, using information that comes from the API through other third parties. There's nothing wrong with the service at all, or the intelligence it provides to people who declare war. If you don't want to get your stuff blown up, either learn to fight back, or hire someone to defend your corporation. It really is that simple. CCP Falcon -á \|\| -á EVE Community Manager -á \|\| -á EVE Illuminati @CCP_Falcon -á \|\| -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents

Trebor Daehdoow Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 3251	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:34:00 - [48] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Are you serious? Grow up Your a dev, act like one Speaking as someone who has had daily contact with the devs for almost 4 years now, all I can say is: "Be careful what you wish for" Like any honest politician, "My door is always open, and my hand is always out"
Manssell OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate 208	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:39:00 - [49] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: very mature a CSM member placing a 1billion isk bounty on a high sec corp because he disagrees with a forum post outstanding choice for CSM u where For some damn reason this thread was the first thing my grumpy sober butt read on the internet this morning. So enjoy our wardec i"ll graciously pay for once I get home tonight. And please, please feel free to use Eve Who to look up and find all the members of my crop. None of them are scared of you knowing who they are, and they all are perfectly fine with you using it as an intelligence tool. You could probably find a lot of info on us from it. Good luck, and looking forward to the fun, hopefully this war will not "destroy high sec" if we use Eve Who.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 345	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:46:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Are you serious? this is why I feel for your devs at times. You see 10's of requests to have more of the data in eve accessible for stuff like this. then you get these people who say nope, don't want it. Makes projects hard I know. I just implement programs at work in IT. Only thing I love more than having clients beating me and my boss down to get that update/upgrade/new solution slated for roll outs is when we give it to them. Then they complain it doesn't work like the old one, its doesn't look right, etc. You or someone in charge wanted it...give me a real bug and I happily write tech support. If a personal dislike not affecting business in anyway...adapt and move on (put more tactfully ofc).

Reinforced Metal Scrap Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:48:00 - [51] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: mynnna wrote: You know, if your corp lived up to its incredibly bombastic corp description (quoted below) I would think you wouldn't have problems with highsec wardecs at all, because you'd be kicking the ** out of them. Talk is cheap, I guess. Quote:** Study Us, Get All Over Us, Look Closely, Look Real Close, Because The Closer You Look, The Less You Will See, We Will Always Be One Step, Three Steps, No, Ten Steps Ahead And When You Think Your Ahead, Bam, We Will be Right Behind You, You Will Never Be Anywhere Other Than Where We Want You To Be..... Enjoy the corp bounty. I'm sure your aggressors will. very mature a CSM member placing a 1billion isk bounty on a high sec corp because he disagrees with a forum post outstanding choice for CSM u where I didn't vote for mynnna last time, but with that she's won me over.
NickSuccorso Arcana Imperii Ltd. Surely You're Joking 39	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:52:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Zainawa Barviainen wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Are you serious? Grow up Your a dev, act like one Grow up? I'm 29 years old, and 5'6" tall... I don't think there's much hope for me. On a more serious note, the site is built by a third party, using information that comes from the API through other third parties. There's nothing wrong with the service at all, or the intelligence it provides to people who declare war. If you don't want to get your stuff blown up, either learn to fight back, or hire someone to defend your corporation. It really is that simple. Mercenaries? That is a just a no good dirty thing to do... oh wait...
Sentient Blade Crisis Atmosphere 1134	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:12:00 - [53] - Quote I am a little curious about the methods - no cache scraping aside I find that several of my alts, none of which have ever seen combat, some of whom have never chatted in any public channel ever, and sit in the same station all day long, appear on the list.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1051	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:14:00 - [54] - Quote A persons corp membership is always publicly available. However, unless you know about eve-who or some other site, its less easy to just get a list of members. Its good that eve-who is public, but its unfortunate that many players may not know of this functionality and that it is only available out-of-game (that said, many players miss out on in-game functionality all the time, so its a wash). Dotlan also does some crazy stuff that isn't available in-game, such as tracking 48 hours of activity, as well as monitoring the 24h NPC count, and doing a bit of math to deduce the 1h NPC kill count, which is also not readily available in-game. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris Republic Military Tax Avoiders 635	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:48:00 - [55] - Quote Sentient Blade wrote: I am a little curious about the methods - no cache scraping aside I find that several of my alts, none of which have ever seen combat, some of whom have never chatted in any public channel ever, and sit in the same station all day long, appear on the list. Put an alt in every starter system, and you'll know every new character created. Simple as that. All that is left is to update data once in a while. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Karbowiak 4M-CORP Insidious Empire 177	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:49:00 - [56] - Quote OP is mad, so mad.. I'm sure he wants EVE-KILL / zKillboard to shut down too, since we can tell attackers what ships he/she might fly, where he/she might live, who he/she favours fighting and so forth. Or http://o.smium.org/ for providing popular corporation and alliance fits. Or DOTLAN for providing maps that show jumps pr. hour, indicating which system you probably ran to.. The list continues /o\
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1645	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:51:00 - [57] - Quote Zainawa Barviainen wrote: mynnna wrote: You know, if your corp lived up to its incredibly bombastic corp description (quoted below) I would think you wouldn't have problems with highsec wardecs at all, because you'd be kicking the ** out of them. Talk is cheap, I guess. Quote:** Study Us, Get All Over Us, Look Closely, Look Real Close, Because The Closer You Look, The Less You Will See, We Will Always Be One Step, Three Steps, No, Ten Steps Ahead And When You Think Your Ahead, Bam, We Will be Right Behind You, You Will Never Be Anywhere Other Than Where We Want You To Be..... Enjoy the corp bounty. I'm sure your aggressors will. very mature a CSM member placing a 1billion isk bounty on a high sec corp because he disagrees with a forum post outstanding choice for CSM u where Agreed I would vote again even if he is a grrr goon There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Sentient Blade Crisis Atmosphere 1134	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:57:00 - [58] - Quote Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote: Sentient Blade wrote: I am a little curious about the methods - no cache scraping aside I find that several of my alts, none of which have ever seen combat, some of whom have never chatted in any public channel ever, and sit in the same station all day long, appear on the list. Put an alt in every starter system, and you'll know every new character created. Simple as that. All that is left is to update data once in a while. Fair enough, although I suspect there has to be some automation involved at a client level for that to work. I know when I was trying to build up lists of people to do research on, I used 2 years of chat logs and parsed every unique name from them because I figured that macroing user lists into a spreadsheet would be frowned upon if ever found out. If you do have the data for the signups, any chance you could tell us how many new registrations per month?
Markku Laaksonen EVE University Ivy League 297	Posted - 2013.12.30 16:12:00 - [59] - Quote I want to try to derail the OP to suit my own curiosity. Can CCP Falcon edit the OP to link to my post? So how do people feel about the convenience these tools give us? A lot of times I hear that EVE shouldn't 'hold our hands' etc. when people talk about features that would make things easier. These third party tools make things really easy. Do they hold our hand? If so, is that okay? If you don't think it's okay, what should be done about it, if anything? As an example, let's look at the market. In game, you can only view the market data of the region you're in. It's trivially easy to use your two empty character slots to roll an alt and leave it in two other regions where you do business most. It's even easier to get on eve-central or other market sites and view market data for all of New Eden. In this example, what would you think of simply making all market data viewable in game? Is that hand-holding/dumbing-down-EVE? Is so, is it also hand-holding when we use a 3rd party tool to easily do what could be done in game? (When I very first started EVE, I had (and currently have) no alts to park in a trade hub, so I used to ask for price checks on items, especially in Jita and Amarr. Then I found eve-central and have never interacted with another player ever again to ask about the price of anything.) I use quite a few of these tools and appreciate them. If I could accomplish the same thing as well or better by in game means that these 3rd party tools let me do that would be alright, too. If the ability to use them was taken away, I'd change and adapt. I imagine that adaptation would involve a lot more interaction with other players. That's my stance. What are your thoughts?
Sarah Stallman International Unification 95	Posted - 2013.12.30 16:13:00 - [60] - Quote This thread amuses me greatly. It never ceases to amuse me when someone chooses to play a violently cut-throat game like EVE, only to whine that it's violent and cut-throaty.



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