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Sypher313	Posted - 2006.03.14 17:53:00 - [61] Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 14/03/2006 16:33:19 .5 has to be the dumbest alliance going. Sure PA sucked militarily but reading this its clear that .5 has absolutely no class. I hope .5 remembers their smug attitude as G/Iron crush them. If Gimp Iron could crash (or even dent) the [5] it is a mystery why they did not do that in the long months when PA was their ally and it was being powned by the [5]... or does the fact that they decided to officially backstab PA when it was allready a corpse absolve these gentlemen from the shame of covertly backstabing it also in the previous months... hmmm... In any event if you want to attack the [5] I will buy some more junk food and watch with interest in my breaks from red killing well for the "un-informed" toons out there , IRON declared PA persona non grata June 27th 2005, ie 0.0 standings and ignored them going forward. mayhaps you tell me how this is a Backstab? When was it you launched your attack/War on PA? Linkage
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.03.14 17:53:00 - [62] Edited by: thoth foc on 14/03/2006 17:54:58 Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 14/03/2006 16:33:19 .5 has to be the dumbest alliance going. Sure PA sucked militarily but reading this its clear that .5 has absolutely no class. I like the irony in your post, reminds me so much of early PA posts. Your lesson for today is, when your a sidekick alliance, dont get upset when ppl dont take much notice of you jumping up and down.. --thoth (aka orbs) [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing...
Aegis Osiris	Posted - 2006.03.14 17:55:00 - [63] LW, While I'm not a member of the leadership for FE (yay for bein' a grunt ;)), I think your best bet for your corp and those that would follow you is: 1. Disband PA (I believe you stated that as your intention, correct me if I am wrong). 2. Once PA is gone, either a. have the CEO's of the individual corps contact the leadership of .5. and FE (KAOS and Dominion Empire would be a good move as well) and secure rights and timelines for moving material, OR b. form your new IGA and, as its leader, contact the groups above (standings settings much easier this way) 3. Leave Venal, and perhaps the North as a whole. If you want a fresh start, don't stick around. I know its hard, but it is very liberating to leave behind the ties of the past. Whether you find a new 0.0 home right away, or hit Empire and rebuild, you'll be much better off. Do these, and I am reasonably sure that the leadership of the northern powers will at least hear you out. But every time you mention PA, even to say that you are NOT GOING TO BE PA, it rankles, and any message you try to have heard will be buried. We all agree. PA is dead, and the north can now move on without the weight of the past holding it down. We are all better for it. Time to move on. ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.14 17:56:00 - [64] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 14/03/2006 16:33:19 .5 has to be the dumbest alliance going. Sure PA sucked militarily but reading this its clear that .5 has absolutely no class. I hope .5 remembers their smug attitude as G/Iron crush them. Still as delusional as ever I see Kalened. Blacklight - .5's smug childish forum whoring is only surpassed by your legendary skills at it. The point of this thread was that an honorable person who stepped up to try and lead his alliance in a fight in its dying days has decided to start over building a new alliance. I see no reason for the flames. PA is dead let it rest already. .5 with the help of FE has won that war now they want to come on the forums and continue via flaming about a dead alliance. These people need to move on. .5 and FE have much bigger things to worry about on the horizon.
ZedLey	Posted - 2006.03.14 17:59:00 - [65] Pretty damn hilarous gettin called dumb by kalened
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.03.14 18:01:00 - [66] Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 14/03/2006 16:33:19 .5 has to be the dumbest alliance going. Sure PA sucked militarily but reading this its clear that .5 has absolutely no class. I hope .5 remembers their smug attitude as G/Iron crush them. Still as delusional as ever I see Kalened. Blacklight - .5's smug childish forum whoring is only surpassed by your legendary skills at it. The point of this thread was that an honorable person who stepped up to try and lead his alliance in a fight in its dying days has decided to start over building a new alliance. I see no reason for the flames. PA is dead let it rest already. .5 with the help of FE has won that war now they want to come on the forums and continue via flaming about a dead alliance. These people need to move on. .5 and FE have much bigger things to worry about on the horizon. Unecessary dig, as usual making yourself look like a prat. I believe you introduced a new angle of smack/idiocy to this thread yourself captain hypocrit. If you engaged your brain for once instead of just spouting your usual nonsense you'd be able to read up and see that Wimbishi and I just exchanged a perfectly civil and reasonable couple of 'on topic' posts that were far from flaming. Something you could learn from. Eve Blacklight Style

Vanamonde	Posted - 2006.03.14 18:28:00 - [67] Trolling and Flaming removed. Please keep on topic and try (I know it's hard) read and follow the Forum Rules when posting. [Read the Rules!] \| [[email protected]] Vanamonde: by Arthur C. Clarke

Boonaki	Posted - 2006.03.14 18:46:00 - [68] I can talk to my boss and see if he'll sell ya stain. It's slightly used and comes as is. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Benny Hill	Posted - 2006.03.14 18:51:00 - [69] Edited by: Benny Hill on 14/03/2006 18:53:34 Edited by: Benny Hill on 14/03/2006 18:52:00 Originally by: Sarmaul Thirdly, for an alliance that has been buried I am still seeing people with PA under their name I see people that do not have enough friends to be in a corp with - let alone an alliance. Does that describe your membership in a noob corp?
CKOZUK	Posted - 2006.03.14 18:52:00 - [70] LW maybe all you PA ex PA or whatever you are should be like Earl People might leave you in peace then
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.14 19:00:00 - [71] Edited by: Kalened on 14/03/2006 19:00:30 Originally by: Vanamonde Trolling and Flaming removed. Please keep on topic and try (I know it's hard) read and follow the Forum Rules when posting. My comment was on topic. As for flames this whole topic has been a flame by .5 year olds with 6th grade reading comprehension. I suspect yours is right at about 7th grade.
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.03.14 20:40:00 - [72] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 14/03/2006 15:43:04 ~shakes his head and waves it off~ Sincerely, ill-timed it maybe, the ones that have been disrepectiful of the ones that continue to berate and flame on this thread. I get frustrated in trying to talk sense with people who don't wish to retain it. PA is no more dude. Right now the values that I wish to create a new foundation with will stand. People seem to like to get patted on the back all the time for some margin of victory they get. Kudos to em, move on with professionalism. I've started to grow some respect for the five for being able to control the smack talk till today. Low and behold without even trying to read into the post, just starts to flame. Why? If you want to publically proclaim your "new" alliance, you should be prepared to receive opinions both good and bad. Just because you dont agree or like others opinions, doesnt make them wrong or flames. Your phrasing, is very open for interuption, so you shouldnt be surprised when ppl use previous experience to gain (possibly) different meanings from what you intended your statements to mean. Given, past history what would you think if some said:- -This alliance is dead -Quick lets form another alliance, from the same ppl as the last 1 -We'll use the same "honour, loyality" etc etc speeches we used for the last 1, dispite the last alliance not holding to them. -We'll live in the same area, dispite not being welcome there -We'll not mention the fact we already did this all a matter of months ago (except for bothering to change name) If you want to start talking sense to ppl, and you cant see why ppl are saying "OMG here we go again".. try the mirror.. --thoth (aka orbs) [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing...
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.14 20:55:00 - [73] Originally by: rastoman Originally by: Sarmaul for the love of god stop dragging the name of PA even further along the ground. the name PA will always evoke hostility or friendship - if you want to start anew then cough up the one billion isk and try again PROPERLY. gotta respect you for posting with the alt if you took the time to read the post you are flaming, you would see it pointed out numerous times that we are starting afresh with a new alliance, name and all. Erm... I can assure you that he is a forum warrior. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Lord Wimbishi	Posted - 2006.03.14 22:05:00 - [74] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 14/03/2006 22:16:32 Was it my fault? I don't believe it was. I remember quite well what I said and can quote I voiced in to the point that I wish to rebuild it at the time I thought was merit in my own mind to do so. Now what it was being seen as to stand for at that time despite what I wanted to remake it into was a different matter all together. It matters not anymore of it honestly. I still carry the values forward into this new organization as I had wanted to with PA in the short time that was tried in effort to implace in what was left of it. It was a time to late coming in at the tail end of something that should have been put to rest long ago as it is being said now. I see a better chance to succeed now then before. But not as another PA though so please for all, drop it and stop thinking we are trying to remake a PA to inhabit Venal again. We aren't. What we look forward to is becoming a force in a new name and light. Many corporations have done the same thing, creating and disbanding alliances repeatedly throughout EVE's history and quite often inhabiting the same exact area with little grief. I am sure somehow the corporations that are gonna to rally together will play a part in EVE's history somewhere in time no matter where we go or decide to get involved with.
Nobues	Posted - 2006.03.14 22:56:00 - [75] Edited by: Nobues on 14/03/2006 23:00:22 I only been around for a little less than a year in this game and I know there is alot of things I'll prob never see for some years to come, I learned alot in my time with my alliance and my corp. I do how ever know how hard it is to leave something you worked so hard spent hrs on hrs of your time every day to get to work at the start. It is time how ever to take a step back and think about the good times you had and start thinking about how things went worng. It may even be a good time to, and I'm not trying to say this in a bad way, but stop posting in eve-online forums, as more and more people will start to give you and tell you ways you should go. I say this not being mean but as a way for you to think on your own and what your heart tells you to do. Its up to you the way you act and the way you play the game, I've played the role as a leader in almost every other game I've played and only the good ones keep things going. Maybe its time to pull out find a nice empire system for a few weeks and do nothing. You, yourself, the old PA. Take the time to think about what has happened, and why every one did what they did. When that time has past then start up the contacts and eve-mailing people or start up a new alliance becouse by then your be thinking more clearer and stright. Your know how your post did you in and how you can stop it. So in all respects please stop posting in eve-online and sit back and just think. I'm not trying to be mean but sometimes you just need a brake from what everyone els thinks. Respectfully Nobues.
Spartan III	Posted - 2006.03.15 00:02:00 - [76] Originally by: Nobues It may even be a good time to, and I'm not trying to say this in a bad way, but stop posting in eve-online forums, as more and more people will start to give you and tell you ways you should go. I say this not being mean but as a way for you to think on your own and what your heart tells you to do. Its up to you the way you act and the way you play the game, I've played the role as a leader in almost every other game I've played and only the good ones keep things going. Maybe its time to pull out find a nice empire system for a few weeks and do nothing. You, yourself, the old PA. Take the time to think about what has happened, and why every one did what they did. When that time has past then start up the contacts and eve-mailing people or start up a new alliance becouse by then your be thinking more clearer and stright. Your know how your post did you in and how you can stop it. So in all respects please stop posting in eve-online and sit back and just think. I'm not trying to be mean but sometimes you just need a brake from what everyone els thinks. Respectfully Nobues. Thanks for the tip. We realize this fact, and try not to post much on these forums as all we normally get is smack and flame. Some things need to be said to the eve public and this is the best way to do so. ******************** Wolven Elite Guard is recruiting - join and lets kick some BoB and .5. butt! OMFWTFYarrBQPwn3d!!!11eleventy-one
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.03.15 00:07:00 - [77] with a sig like yours you wonder why we might have a hard time to "forgive" and reset standings ?
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.03.15 01:00:00 - [78] tbh i would pay for your old alliance and buy you a new one just to see the pa name burried ----------------------------------------------- "Quick, bring me a beaker of wine,that I may wet my mind and say something clever." ~Aristophane
Sara Vestity	Posted - 2006.03.15 01:50:00 - [79] Edited by: Sara Vestity on 15/03/2006 01:50:27 edit: bleeding alts
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.03.15 01:52:00 - [80] Good luck Wimbishi! Oh my god the .5. smack!
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:09:00 - [81] Just to echo what's been said and possibly clarify: There's no sense in doing the same things with a different name. PA sucked for a long time because it had no direction and a bunch of mooching lamers. You need to trim the fat and come up with a new plan of action that isn't based on speechifying. Less talkie more doie. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:17:00 - [82] Well, i got to hand it to some of you guys, you never quit. In order for it to work though, you need to have some flexibility and quit the obsession with the northern territories like Venal, unless you want to be the lapdogs of those that drove you out. General undercurrents in this thread and what i make of them after a quick read: 1) Good choice on changing the name 2) Atuk wants you (as in the majority of you) to come out and openly say "we lost". They are known to decide a lot of their politics according to who openly voices disagreements with them and often have an obsession with banners and not the actual people who initially pss them off. I think Stizum said something along the lines of "we don't care about corps, we want the name dead". Just like the Xetic vs 5 war: CLS opened fire on them and placed ridiculous demands on them in regards to travel rights etc...after some time CLS formed ASCN (napped with [5]) and they were still fixated on the Xetic banner instead of Cyvok Fair game to them, it's their subscription money, just pointing out the obvious. Which leads us to the important conclusion...get ready for much more flak coming your way if a) you don't completely sever ties to the past and b) still admit defeat to an enemy after extended periods of living in denial in the alliance that was said past for you. 3) Get used to moving around a little bit. People who can't bother moving, often end up making spineless decisions, changing sides etc just to hold on to space they have gotten used to. This makes for even more tarnished reputations along the way. I suggest you forget about Venal and Branch (better be an expatriate than a conquered civilian if you ask me), and start anew. There's a lot of 0.0 space out there, arrange some standings and move in as a sponsored resident, make some money and then make a move for some space of your own if you want to. Lastly, sincere good luck wishes on your new endeavours and take special note of your political structure. Voting councils don't work and getting bossed around by 1-2 people in a game isn't much fun. Maybe you should opt for the golden middle ground scenario, a small oligarchy of people you can trust to do the job, who will also be people your member base can connect to and trust as well, thus bridging the gap between a cumbersome democracy and a virtual fascism. Originally by:* Black Lotus I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
Sentille	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:45:00 - [83] As an ex-PA pilot I've read some of the recent posts with interest about the death of PA, the recent HAOS post in my eyes really was the end imo. RIP PA. I flew with some great people in my time there and I hope those that are moving on find a new home. I didn't know you LW, you left PA shortly after I joined and came back after I'd gone, while I wish you the best of luck in your new endeavours I'd stop responding to this thread its not helping your future plans. With respect it does read like a re-badged PA and thats only going to get you grief. Never before have two little words evoked such emotion and hostility, its a lightning rod and always will be. I'd head back to empire with those who wish to try something new, carebear like crazy for a while to get some assets behind you and then look at your options. GL
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.15 19:22:00 - [84] Originally by: Benny Hill Edited by: Benny Hill on 14/03/2006 18:53:34 Edited by: Benny Hill on 14/03/2006 18:52:00 Originally by: Sarmaul Thirdly, for an alliance that has been buried I am still seeing people with PA under their name I see people that do not have enough friends to be in a corp with - let alone an alliance. Does that describe your membership in a noob corp? If you really want to get into it, a the noob corp would be the Republic Military School. Brutor Tribe is the NPC corporation where characters who have been in at least one corporation and have left it are placed until they join another. As I don't really have the time to play at the moment, there didn't seem much point in joining a new corporation and not being able to help out, defend space and go AFK when impromptu mining ops/freighter escorts are announced. It's a shame that your biggest defence against my statements is the fact that I am currently in an NPC corporation. Either I'm right, or you're all idiots. k? PS: I'm still seeing people with Phoenix Alliance under their name/corp.
nickycakes	Posted - 2006.03.16 11:23:00 - [85] Originally by: Vince Draken These are the twelve steps of PA Anonymous. 1. We admitted we were powerless over our enemies; that our lives had become unmanageable. 2. Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of [5] as we understood it. 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. 5. Admitted to [5], to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. 6. Were entirely ready to have [5] remove all these defects of character. 7. Humbly asked them to remove our shortcomings. 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. 10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. 11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with [5], as we understood them, praying only for knowledge of their will for us and the power to carry that out. 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to FA, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. KCB

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