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Dark Eulogy	Posted - 2006.03.15 11:50:00 - [31] Edited by: Dark Eulogy on 15/03/2006 11:56:48 CCP can only stop things that violate the terms of service of the game: Macroing Duping "Cheating" in some other way Intentionally harassing a particular player (gate blocking is kindof thrown in here) Also please stop posting can luring techniques, keep them to yourself or to your friends.
Constantine Arcanum	Posted - 2006.03.15 11:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Estoramus HAHA i saw that Raven. He was calling everyone in local to try to kill him at first. I felt sorry for him as well, but due to the smacktalk I don't anymore Smack is baaaad mmkay ----------------------------------------------- Guys, we win some and we lose some, but please, can we win this one? THIS SIG R UNHACKABLE
Azlana	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:00:00 - [33] It is at first difficult to determine what sort of behaviour is considered an exploit by CPP and is therefore worth petitioning. The most notable examples of exploits involving jetcans I can think of are: Using jetcans to block the passage of a ship. For example you may not dump jetcans infront of a feighter to stop it from traveling. Using secure cans to 'reserve' a moon. GMs will remove such cans. Using a haze of jetcans to attempt to cause lag to other players, ie pirates cannot purposely jettision 50 bookmars in seperate cans around their gatecamp. The difference between an exploit and legitimate use of game mechanics is a fine line sometimes. If in doubt it is always best to post on the forums and ask, exactly like the original poster did, since I'm pretty sure the GMs get sick of exploit petitions being filed all day when a simple enquiry could have avoided it. Anyway, the can flagging trick is definately not an exploit, it is used hundreds of times a day on tranquility. It can also be devestatingly effective against macro mining operations Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'noob' at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred.
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Sharkey Thing is, it's not a trick. A big warning sign pops up saying "don't nick this stuff or you'll be flagged a criminal". It couldn't be anymore obvious really. So no, I doubt very much CCP are going to do anything about it. actually it could be much more obvious... it doesnt explain anywhere that criminal flagging allows the involved parties to open fire on you when i read the message the first time i didnt know it and had to use the search site to find out what criminal flagging actually does it is a "trick" because some people name their cans "Free stuff"
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:07:00 - [35] Doing this to blow up noobs is griefing as the person doing it has nothing to gain, they are using a game mechanic in a way that was not really intended so hypotheticaly it is an exploit, any real gamer wouldnt do it. On my other char I sometimes drop a can called cruiser or friagte 1v1, it can be fun, but doing it intentionally to catch out noobs is wrong. Doesnt the msg box just say, that you will be flagged as a criminal and doesnt mention being shot at, alot of new players were told before they joined that they cannot be shot at in safe space and are completly ignorant of game mechanics, it doesnt make them stupid, nobody started the game with full knowledge. I think its a very cheap and nasty way to kill people, regardless of how many people say that ccp allows it.
Dark Eulogy	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:09:00 - [36] Zaf you're a carebear. Stop talking about what a "real gamer" is when you have no idea.
CRUSH3R	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:11:00 - [37] kill the thieves
Estoramus	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:13:00 - [38] Originally by: Azlana It is at first difficult to determine what sort of behaviour is considered an exploit by CPP and is therefore worth petitioning. The most notable examples of exploits involving jetcans I can think of are: Using jetcans to block the passage of a ship. For example you may not dump jetcans infront of a feighter to stop it from traveling. Using secure cans to 'reserve' a moon. GMs will remove such cans. Using a haze of jetcans to attempt to cause lag to other players, ie pirates cannot purposely jettision 50 bookmars in seperate cans around their gatecamp. The difference between an exploit and legitimate use of game mechanics is a fine line sometimes. If in doubt it is always best to post on the forums and ask, exactly like the original poster did, since I'm pretty sure the GMs get sick of exploit petitions being filed all day when a simple enquiry could have avoided it. Anyway, the can flagging trick is definately not an exploit, it is used hundreds of times a day on tranquility. It can also be devestatingly effective against macro mining operations Thank you Azlana, its nice to see a mature responce to a post once and a while. I am by far a noob for all those that seem to think i am, and before you go and check my stats...this is an alt. I've never actually wasted my time with tricks like this one and thought i would just clarify the matter as it may be useful at some point. Once again Azlana, thanks.
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Cpt Placeholder Originally by: Sharkey Thing is, it's not a trick. A big warning sign pops up saying "don't nick this stuff or you'll be flagged a criminal". It couldn't be anymore obvious really. So no, I doubt very much CCP are going to do anything about it. actually it could be much more obvious... it doesnt explain anywhere that criminal flagging allows the involved parties to open fire on you when i read the message the first time i didnt know it and had to use the search site to find out what criminal flagging actually does it is a "trick" because some people name their cans "Free stuff" The msg to go into unsecure space is pretty clear and still nebies jump in there, ccp should know to make the msgs much clearer, I know that you cant hold their hands through every step, but from a rp perspective people will know all the ins and outs before finishing flight school. As we are on to warnings, when you set autopilot to low sec or a route that goes through low sec you should get a warning then that you can get killed there. A small percentage of new chars traveling through low sec are alts carrying valubale loot, its hardly fair on real newbies that they get ganked because older players are too afraid to travel with their main because their alliance is at war.
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Dark Eulogy Zaf you're a carebear. Stop talking about what a "real gamer" is when you have no idea. Carebear? Get a clue who your talking to noob
Fanden	Posted - 2006.03.15 13:01:00 - [41] Jis' goes ta show there's nay cure fer stupidity. [center][center]null[center]http://img482.images
TylerJames	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Estoramus This makes me laugh. All i ask is if CCP will act upon people using the way to gank newbie's and i get flamed. You people love going off topic and flaming about stuff that has nothing to do with what i asked. I'm not complaining about getting killed as i'm not dumb enough to fall for this, and i agree with you all that if someone doesn't listen to the warnings then its their own problem. Its a simple enough question and i got my answer. I swear if you guys aren't flaming someone your not happy. It has become the "cool thing" to make the funniest, wise-ass remark that one can think of. My theory on this is, they think they will gain notoriety and fill some sense of being popular. Most likely cause they cant do it in game. My Dad can beat up all your Dad's..... And to quote the Human Torch, "Flame on!"
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.15 15:08:00 - [43] Originally by: TylerJames Originally by: Estoramus This makes me laugh. All i ask is if CCP will act upon people using the way to gank newbie's and i get flamed. You people love going off topic and flaming about stuff that has nothing to do with what i asked. I'm not complaining about getting killed as i'm not dumb enough to fall for this, and i agree with you all that if someone doesn't listen to the warnings then its their own problem. Its a simple enough question and i got my answer. I swear if you guys aren't flaming someone your not happy. It has become the "cool thing" to make the funniest, wise-ass remark that one can think of. My theory on this is, they think they will gain notoriety and fill some sense of being popular. Most likely cause they cant do it in game. My Dad can beat up all your Dad's..... And to quote the Human Torch, "Flame on!" Dont be silly, my Dad is bigger than your Dad, he would kick your Dads ass
Angelic Resolution	Posted - 2006.03.15 15:10:00 - [44] Well it just happened to me. I had SRKS (It's a corp) steal from my can. was flying geddon so plenty of drones not much armor, setup to mine (Sad I know but the 0.0 life just isn't for me, I like it slow paced and well.. mind numbing ;)). So there I am, full can of pyro and another on the way. Tristan and BC comes along, steals em both. I go after the tristan, they leave. 5 mins later take back what's mine to have a megathron and a tanked maller come at me at once, bye bye geddon. Got away in my pod. So here it is CCP: Is this exploiting of a game mechanic? No. Why? Because if you take back what is RIGHTFULLY yours, you get swarmed. Personally I think it's complete bull, but hey. Play the game. Here's my 2 cents on the situtation: Make it so that anything inside a can is flagged to whomever put it there, if it is taken back then there is no retaliation. Because as it stands: This is an exploit from several point of views.
TylerJames	Posted - 2006.03.15 15:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Zafriel Originally by: TylerJames Originally by: Estoramus This makes me laugh. All i ask is if CCP will act upon people using the way to gank newbie's and i get flamed. You people love going off topic and flaming about stuff that has nothing to do with what i asked. I'm not complaining about getting killed as i'm not dumb enough to fall for this, and i agree with you all that if someone doesn't listen to the warnings then its their own problem. Its a simple enough question and i got my answer. I swear if you guys aren't flaming someone your not happy. It has become the "cool thing" to make the funniest, wise-ass remark that one can think of. My theory on this is, they think they will gain notoriety and fill some sense of being popular. Most likely cause they cant do it in game. My Dad can beat up all your Dad's..... And to quote the Human Torch, "Flame on!" Dont be silly, my Dad is bigger than your Dad, he would kick your Dads ass sooo... how big a boy is your dad?
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:31:00 - [46] Originally by: TylerJames sooo... how big a boy is your dad?
Xenophilia	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Kane Jacobs CCP cant protect people from stupidety. Read the god damn warning. It seems not.
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.03.15 20:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Zafriel Originally by: Dark Eulogy Zaf you're a carebear. Stop talking about what a "real gamer" is when you have no idea. Carebear? Get a clue who your talking to noob lol priceless
Venomous Angel	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:04:00 - [49] Well the way I see it is if they see a can and take it even after getting the big pop up warning then they deserve what they get. unless they message the owner for permission then thats not really a guarantee that he won't gank the lil fella... What I think is just wrong is the guys dropping cans & re-naming them "Free Loot" & "This Spawn Pirates" then sitting back and collecting Noobs :P Poor lil guys...
Commander Nikolas	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:05:00 - [50] Why do people say RTFM with eve? The closest thing to a manual is the forums... which is kind of scary. Yeah they have that little begginer section of pages but that dosen't explain much or list alot of the major exceptions to the "rules".
Karl Shade	Posted - 2006.03.15 22:50:00 - [51] It¦s not a trick and never will be regardless of can-name or luring as long as the warningmessage exists. Saying that new players won¦t understand a clearly worded message seems more than a bit demeaning to noobs, I mean they¦re not noobs because they¦re stupid theyre noobs because they¦re new. If they turn off or ignore the warning then they either know the consequenses or should have read the bloody message. -
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.15 23:22:00 - [52] Edited by: Zafriel on 15/03/2006 23:23:04 Originally by: "About to Steal Msg" You are about to steal items from Amarr Geddon. If you continue, Amarr Geddon and Amarr Geddon's corporation will be free to attack you! Are you sure you want to continue? On second thought it as actually quiet obviouse Tbh, I thought it said, doing this will cause you ro be criminaly flagged to X player and his corperation, didnt realise it actually said attack.

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