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Estoramus
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Posted - 2006.03.14 13:57:00 -
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So the other day i'm in a 1.0 system and i see a couple of people dropping cans for people to pick up, unknowning that they will them be KOS to the owner of the can.
Swiftly the can owner locks and ganks the noobie.
Many of you would of heard about this little "trick" but i'm wondering if its actually a legal move.
Does CCP allow people to trick others into being tagged and ganked?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.14 13:58:00 -
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To be honest, if people don't read the very obvious warning when they try to take loot from the can, they can consider it a lesson learnt when they get blown up.
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Posted - 2006.03.14 14:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Butter Dog
To be honest, if people don't read the very obvious warning when they try to take loot from the can, they can consider it a lesson learnt when they get blown up.
My thoughts exactly.
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Valdir Mustafar
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Posted - 2006.03.14 15:09:00 -
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I think people need to understand that CCP wont take you under your wing when youre ganked in alternative ways that you couldnt think of yourself...
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Estoramus
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Posted - 2006.03.14 15:21:00 -
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So is that a yes or a no?
will ccp act upon these kind of actions since its in a high sec system?
personally i think they wont but i just want to be clear on it.
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Sharkey
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Posted - 2006.03.14 15:39:00 -
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Thing is, it's not a trick. A big warning sign pops up saying "don't nick this stuff or you'll be flagged a criminal". It couldn't be anymore obvious really. So no, I doubt very much CCP are going to do anything about it.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.03.14 15:42:00 -
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Estoramus
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Posted - 2006.03.14 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sharkey
Thing is, it's not a trick. A big warning sign pops up saying "don't nick this stuff or you'll be flagged a criminal". It couldn't be anymore obvious really. So no, I doubt very much CCP are going to do anything about it.
Can't you turn that message off after the first time tho? iirc
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.14 16:01:00 -
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do you usually need to be told things several of times to understand?
no skills, just luck.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.03.14 16:14:00 -
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I got a laugh out of seeing the can theft popup in 0.0. For empire wars I had it turned on, but quickly turned it off.
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Posted - 2006.03.14 16:18:00 -
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CCP won't do anything about that... that is boring though. The other way around is fun.
Get in an AF and go around looking for miners with alot of ore. Put it in one of your cans and immediatly blow it up. Sit there patiently for a few minutes well they get over the shock and forumlate some brilliant "I am going to kill him" plan. If they convo you or call you a thief in local respond: "Thief would imply that I kept the ore, what was I supposed to do with it?"
They will jump out of the belt, give them some time to get their combat ship set up. About 30% of the time they will come back into the belt with it looking to teach you a lesson. :)
I solo killed a Tempest with my Ishkur this way. That was an awesome fight. This strategy is great for killing time well waiting for war targets in high sec.
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DarkAlpha
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:50:00 -
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This system was made my CCP to protect people. Noone is going to change it. If you are noob and dont know that ganging with anyone who askes for a gang is not right and / or picking at other persons [can] will get you in trouble than...... go read god damn forum !!! or manual!!!! or ask someone!!!! but dont crawl here crying about it here.
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Kane Jacobs
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Posted - 2006.03.14 19:22:00 -
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CCP cant protect people from stupidety. Read the god damn warning.
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Ktak Ente
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Posted - 2006.03.14 19:56:00 -
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The original op was new asking a noob question and got the answer but why the hostile aggressive attitude from somepeople.
If the op ignorance irritates you move on to a more interesting post, if you want to help politeness cost nothing.
Just being nasty for nastiness sake, well its not big and its not clever.
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Nnam Pir
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Posted - 2006.03.14 20:22:00 -
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Reminds me of when I was mining and some dude in a Cruiser putts over to my can. A jet can belonging to him appears a couple seconds after, and then my can blows from being emptied.
He did not become flagged. I putt over to his can and lo' and behold the exact amounts of ore I had mined were in his can.
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Suladriel
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Posted - 2006.03.14 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Estoramus
So the other day i'm in a 1.0 system and i see a couple of people dropping cans for people to pick up, unknowning that they will them be KOS to the owner of the can.
Swiftly the can owner locks and ganks the noobie.
Many of you would of heard about this little "trick" but i'm wondering if its actually a legal move.
Does CCP allow people to trick others into being tagged and ganked?
What you may have seen was people trying to kill macrominers.
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.15 00:11:00 -
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The people that launch cans in newbie systems to purposfuly target and gank noobs are lame, real damm lame. CCP should start to pick em off and ban em imo.
Most of the people that fall for it are newbs, they dont read the warning box because they are excited and in a rush to play and then lose their first frigate that they have spent all day trying to earn.
I think its too harsh a lesson and is just an abuse of a game mechanic
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Dynast
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zafriel
Most of the people that fall for it are newbs, they dont read the warning box because they are excited and in a rush to play and then lose their first frigate that they have spent all day trying to earn.
I think its too harsh a lesson and is just an abuse of a game mechanic
How is it too harsh a lesson that one should read warning messages? It's not as if they pop up all over the place randomly; they're shown for a reason.
This is similar to someone complaining that their face was blown off when they threw an aerosol can in a campfire, and that they couldn't have known better because the do not expose to heat or flames warning wasn't big enough.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.03.15 02:39:00 -
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So is that a yes or a no?
will ccp act upon these kind of actions since its in a high sec system?
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no
maybe, you should read how the security system works in eve. and better yet, use your head.
you get a warning when you grab anyone elses can.
pick it up, pay the price.
just because your new doesnt mean you have to be a noob.
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if you dont like it you can always go back to the real carebear games.
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Estoramus
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Posted - 2006.03.15 09:37:00 -
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This makes me laugh.
All i ask is if CCP will act upon people using the way to gank newbie's and i get flamed.
You people love going off topic and flaming about stuff that has nothing to do with what i asked.
I'm not complaining about getting killed as i'm not dumb enough to fall for this, and i agree with you all that if someone doesn't listen to the warnings then its their own problem.
Its a simple enough question and i got my answer.
I swear if you guys aren't flaming someone your not happy.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.15 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Estoramus
So the other day i'm in a 1.0 system and i see a couple of people dropping cans for people to pick up, unknowning that they will them be KOS to the owner of the can.
Swiftly the can owner locks and ganks the noobie.
Many of you would of heard about this little "trick" but i'm wondering if its actually a legal move.
Does CCP allow people to trick others into being tagged and ganked?
Get in an ibis, loot a can, get popped. Dock, grab your BS/HAC, undock, pwn *******(s), repeat as needed.
The bottomline is that almost all the people doing that are griefers and/or spineless Care-rats (Carebear pirates who want to gank players as easily as their mission NPCs). I can't see what the point is in popping noobs who don't know any better. It can't be for killboard scores, because anyone who looks and sees you've popped a bunch of news in frigs is just going to embarass you the first time you try to show off your 'kills'.
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This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Constantine Arcanum
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Posted - 2006.03.15 09:51:00 -
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I saw a 2 month old noob in a Raven ganking newbs in frigs in Kisogo, at the noob complex. I got my Prophecy out, scanned him, and found he was using some civilian shield boosters, and large structure reps in the medslots. Chuckling to myself, I stole his can and watched after many many volleys of light missiles bounced harmlessly off my armour, as broadside after broadside of pulse lasers ripped him to pieces. He switched to rockets, and I orbited him at 8km. The rockets were out of range, so that's another Raven for my killboard. Died within 1 minute.
The smacktalk he gave me later was IMMENSE.
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Estoramus
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Posted - 2006.03.15 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
I saw a 2 month old noob in a Raven ganking newbs in frigs in Kisogo, at the noob complex. I got my Prophecy out, scanned him, and found he was using some civilian shield boosters, and large structure reps in the medslots. Chuckling to myself, I stole his can and watched after many many volleys of light missiles bounced harmlessly off my armour, as broadside after broadside of pulse lasers ripped him to pieces. He switched to rockets, and I orbited him at 8km. The rockets were out of range, so that's another Raven for my killboard. Died within 1 minute.
The smacktalk he gave me later was IMMENSE.
HAHA i saw that Raven.
He was calling everyone in local to try to kill him at first.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
I saw a 2 month old noob in a Raven ganking newbs in frigs in Kisogo, at the noob complex. I got my Prophecy out, scanned him, and found he was using some civilian shield boosters, and large structure reps in the medslots. Chuckling to myself, I stole his can and watched after many many volleys of light missiles bounced harmlessly off my armour, as broadside after broadside of pulse lasers ripped him to pieces. He switched to rockets, and I orbited him at 8km. The rockets were out of range, so that's another Raven for my killboard. Died within 1 minute.
The smacktalk he gave me later was IMMENSE.
omg... thats some funny crap.
I really do feel sorry for him though, I mean thats just SO sad. imagine how frustrating it would be to be throwing all you've got at someone and it not even dent them!
what I've considered doing, but not bothered with yet, is having an alt in a kessie, going around and switching ore into new cans, from noobs. then when they take it back, (if) attack them down to like half armor or something. ... then stop and lecture them about being careful ect, and leave them be. (enough damage, without destroying them, to prove the point)
I also considered with the "scheme" to have that alt carrying a bunch of small armor and hull reps, and give 1 of each out to each "victim" as part of the lesson.
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: DarkAlpha
This system was made my CCP to protect people.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Estoramus
All i ask is if CCP will act upon people using the way to gank newbie's and i get flamed.
It may shock you but we don't got a single line of flaming in this thread so far. The general tone here on the forum may seam a bit rough at the beginning but it only reflects the game habits of most writers -- We are rough. :)
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dynast
Originally by: Zafriel
Most of the people that fall for it are newbs, they dont read the warning box because they are excited and in a rush to play and then lose their first frigate that they have spent all day trying to earn.
I think its too harsh a lesson and is just an abuse of a game mechanic
How is it too harsh a lesson that one should read warning messages? It's not as if they pop up all over the place randomly; they're shown for a reason.
This is similar to someone complaining that their face was blown off when they threw an aerosol can in a campfire, and that they couldn't have known better because the do not expose to heat or flames warning wasn't big enough.
Pretend your a clueless noob, then read the msg.
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LCIceo
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:16:00 -
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I didnt steal any cans when i was a noob. That message is clear and explains what will happen if you steal the loot. If you still cant keep your hands off the can, you deserve to die. I dont know whats so hard in following the instructions.
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Estoramus
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: Estoramus
All i ask is if CCP will act upon people using the way to gank newbie's and i get flamed.
It may shock you but we don't got a single line of flaming in this thread so far. The general tone here on the forum may seam a bit rough at the beginning but it only reflects the game habits of most writers -- We are rough. :)
OK my bad.
The word "Flame" was a little too harsh, i'm sorry.
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Azlana
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:42:00 -
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Well I would call it flaming really. He asked a pretty simple question, "Does CCP allow people to trick others into being tagged and ganked?".
The replys have mostly been thinly veiled personal insults, with an implication that the OP is stupid or a noob. Here is my attempt at a constructive answer:
No CPP were aware that this trick would happen when they implemented the changes. The can ganking trick was seen as the lesser of two evils, as under the old system ore theives could steal cans without repercussions. The dialogue box pops up warning people not to take from the can, if they have chosen to disable this box then that is their choice.
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