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Lopti Grey Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.30 23:00:00 - [1] - Quote New player here, I already read tons of forums/articls on Exploration but have not been able to find the info I need so thought I would ask the vets. Here is my problem, I want to explore low/null sec but am trying to figure out how to do so without just dieing haha which I have done a few times now... I watch local and warp out when I see someone that looks hostile but doing this never gives me enough time to scan stuff down. My current plan is to study Cloaking and save up enough isk (or just noob out and buy a plex) to get the Sisters of Eve exploration frigate (forget the name) and then warp in, launch probes then cloak while I scan... Does this work? and if not what is the best way to solo explore low sec without dieing and/or running away all the time? Thanks in advance for any useful info. Also this is just a sidenote question, I have warped into wormholes 4 times, each time there has been a guy waiting on the other side to kill me... is this normal or do I just have really bad luck?
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1028	Posted - 2013.12.30 23:44:00 - [2] - Quote Are you planing on doing hacking sites, or combat sites? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Lopti Grey Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.30 23:49:00 - [3] - Quote Hacking/Relic. Would not mind doing combat sites later on once I get enough skills and isk to do so but until then just Hacking/Relic.
Paranoid Loyd University of Caille Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2013.12.31 00:35:00 - [4] - Quote Don't buy a plex, if you want to learn the game, buying a plex will hurt not help. Train into a cov ops frigate of your choice. Learn how to make a safe spot. Learn how to use D-scan. Most importantly find others who are doing what you are trying to accomplish and make friends, your learning will improve exponentially compared to going at it alone.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1028	Posted - 2013.12.31 00:35:00 - [5] - Quote Then start with flying a T1 exploration frigs, with t1/meta modules. You will die, but it will teach you the basics of low-sec, dealing with gate camps, saving you pod etc. You should not buy the faction frig before you have lost a few t1 frigs. You can fit a normal cloak on the t1 frig, you just can't warp around while cloaked. Once you are in a system, warp to a celestial at range and cloak up while you scan down the signatures. If you click warp, and right after that release you probes you should be ready to cloak right as you exit warp. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Lopti Grey Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:11:00 - [6] - Quote Cool, thanks for the tips guys.
Khadrea Shakor Shakor Freight and Mining Service 15	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:08:00 - [7] - Quote 1) Pirate pre-scans Relic/Data Site(s) 2) Pirate leaves positive sec status alt cloaked in system. 3) You jump in, scan down RelicData site(s), start hacking/analyzing 4) Pirate jumps in, uses +£berCeptor of choice to insta warp to your location. 5) You die. Just saying, count with this. Quite a handful to hack/dirscan/loot/stay aligned all at once...
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1029	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:24:00 - [8] - Quote Khadrea Shakor wrote: 5) You die. Don't go into low-sec unless you understand the rules of the game. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Urthu G'en-Yia School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:05:00 - [9] - Quote Jumping in because I'm almost in the same boat. What are we talking as low-sec? 0.5?
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1973	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:11:00 - [10] - Quote Urthu G'en-Yia wrote: Jumping in because I'm almost in the same boat. What are we talking as low-sec? 0.5? .1-.4. Places where CONCORD won't intervene but empires still hold sov. I'm too swamped for a proper response right now, but here's something: you will lose ships. The best way to get over that is to... lose ships. The best way to learn not to lose ships is, again, to lose ships. Get out there and lose a few you can easily afford before committing to anything more expensive.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1076	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:35:00 - [11] - Quote Lopti Grey wrote: My current plan is to study Cloaking and save up enough isk (or just noob out and buy a plex) to get the Sisters of Eve exploration frigate (forget the name) and then warp in, launch probes then cloak while I scan... Does this work? and if not what is the best way to solo explore low sec without dieing and/or running away all the time? Thanks in advance for any useful info. My advice is that if you should use a prototype cloak on a t1 scanning frigate, and learn how to scan that way. They are good ships and you can buy and use them right now, without buying a rather expensive ship to learn in. You can enter a system, warp to a planet/moon/sun and make a safespot, then cloak, and scan while you cloak. You can do data/relic sites with the ship and even do lowsec or nullsec data/relics, simply because the ship is very cheap to replace. Then you can train for a t2 covops frig, giving you the ability to also warp cloaked. Don't worry about the Astero, you can start doing what to do now, and you'll end up in a t2 frig that is pretty much better than the Astero. And best of all, you won't have to save up 100m isk and put it into a single ship that is going to explode sooner or later. You can train for the Astero later, and by then you'll probably have enough isk to buy one, because you've learned how to make a killing, relatively speaking, doing exploration. Do not buy a plex. It is not necessary for what you want to do. Do not mess around mining or missioning if you want to do exploration. Just go do exploration and start training for it now. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 609	Posted - 2014.01.02 05:03:00 - [12] - Quote In a couple of years in lowsec I only lost one ship to other players, and that was because I started believing I wouldn't lose any ships. Had I believed I was going to lose it trying to warp to an undock insta I would have undocked after DT instead of before. IMO one good week of exploration should allow you to buy 5 fully fitted covops, which is more covops than I've lost in 5 years. It only cost me 1 covops to make travel bm's and some undock instas for syndicate, which is ultimately a more dangerous thing to do than moving about in lowsec. Also you can be very cheeky with a covops. During a standoff over content in my system last night I tap-despawned cans under the nose of a bomber. He eventually tried bombing me. it takes a while to lock and scram a covops after uncloaking and it will warp away long before a bomb explodes from its timer.
Urthu G'en-Yia School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.01.02 15:08:00 - [13] - Quote Lot's of talk of losing ships, or using a "cheap scanning frigate" with prototype cloak. I don't know if exploration is above my ability or not, but I cannot afford to "lose" my scanning frigate. Nor can I afford to purchase the cloaking skill. I don't mind losing ships when I can afford to, and from what I read it sounds like I can be happy and useful in frigates for a long time, but right now I cannot afford to "lose" anything. It would be nice to at least experience a successful scanning outing, at least once. Let alone being worried about losing my only scanning vessel.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1081	Posted - 2014.01.02 15:55:00 - [14] - Quote Urthu G'en-Yia wrote: Lot's of talk of losing ships, or using a "cheap scanning frigate" with prototype cloak. I don't know if exploration is above my ability or not, but I cannot afford to "lose" my scanning frigate. Nor can I afford to purchase the cloaking skill. I don't mind losing ships when I can afford to, and from what I read it sounds like I can be happy and useful in frigates for a long time, but right now I cannot afford to "lose" anything. It would be nice to at least experience a successful scanning outing, at least once. Let alone being worried about losing my only scanning vessel. a t1 scanning frigate with a complete fit, rigs, and t1 prototype cloak is under 5m isk (maybe 10m isk if you're using faction probes, which is a good idea, or 15m-20m if its full t2 fit). An explorer can make enough money to replace such a ship with 1-2 data/relic sites in hisec or lowsec. It is for this reason that I would say its reasonable to take a t1 frig to lowsec. If this is a lot of money for you, you should definitely stay in hisec for a bit longer, until such point as you can replace the ship a few times should you lose it. There is some risk involved, but the penalties of losing your ship are not so high as to make it not worth it (and getting experience moving around lowsec is invaluable). Once you train into a t2 covops frig, the risk is further reduced, although the value of the ship gets up to around 40-50m, which is again recoverable after a handful of sites. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Lopti Grey Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:50:00 - [15] - Quote I am happy that this conversation has taken off a little bit more as it has given me some more information. Currently I have been splitting my time between mission running and exploration. From what I have read in this forum I am going to put mission running on the sideburner for now and just focus on my frigate skills (I mission run with cruisers) that way I can get to the point where I can explore low sec faster. For now I think I need to stick to high sec a little bit longer and get a few different exploration frigates built that way when I venture into the unknown if I lose one it will just be a learning experience rather then a maddening/depressing experience. By all means if anyone has any further tips or questions etc... keep the conversation going.
Snaggletooth Slackjaw Banana Moon Industries Rim Worlds Protectorate 80	Posted - 2014.01.03 13:14:00 - [16] - Quote Also, there is a whole slew of lowsec that is completely unpopulated - you just need to make a few jumps through lowsec away from hi-sec, and avoid the FW areas. I often travel through long stretches of lowsec in Derelik or Khanid without seeing another person in local for 3 or 4 systems at a time - these are the sort of systems where you want to be running sites. If someone does pop up in local, just cloak up and slowboat away if you are in a site. CEO, Banana Moon Industries. Alliance Diplomat, Rim Worlds Protectorate
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 633	Posted - 2014.01.05 21:02:00 - [17] - Quote Lopti Grey wrote: I am happy that this conversation has taken off a little bit more as it has given me some more information. Currently I have been splitting my time between mission running and exploration. From what I have read in this forum I am going to put mission running on the sideburner for now and just focus on my frigate skills (I mission run with cruisers) that way I can get to the point where I can explore low sec faster. For now I think I need to stick to high sec a little bit longer and get a few different exploration frigates built that way when I venture into the unknown if I lose one it will just be a learning experience rather then a maddening/depressing experience. By all means if anyone has any further tips or questions etc... keep the conversation going. Ok couple of pointers, hi sec exploration can give you a reasonable return to give you a buffer before going to losec. On average data sites pay better than relic in hisec but there are exceptions. Use a cargo scanner to look at the drop before hacking, on data sites blueprints are in data and decriptors are in parts cans. The others contain mainly ballast. Sisters probes are worthwhile but the launcher is quite expensive wait for that. Scan boost probe rigs are cheap you can fit 2 Each race has a scanning frigate with boosts to virus strengh, well worthwhile. And cheap. You want one with 4 mid slots, prop mod , cargo scanner , relic and data analysers.. Train scanning skills everything 4 or 5 before doing null sec sites scan speed not so important. Skills at 5 and t2 analysers will help massively in low and null. And at this point you will be flying a covert ops, I rate the helios. Wh relic and data sites are killers. Avoid for now. Do not take an exploration frigate into a ghost site. They hurt. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Atog Uz Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.01.05 23:38:00 - [18] - Quote Urthu G'en-Yia wrote: Lot's of talk of losing ships, or using a "cheap scanning frigate" with prototype cloak. I don't know if exploration is above my ability or not, but I cannot afford to "lose" my scanning frigate. Nor can I afford to purchase the cloaking skill. I don't mind losing ships when I can afford to, and from what I read it sounds like I can be happy and useful in frigates for a long time, but right now I cannot afford to "lose" anything. It would be nice to at least experience a successful scanning outing, at least once. Let alone being worried about losing my only scanning vessel. I am not sure what you have been doing and I am not trying to be mean here. The SOE arc, newbie version, would give you enough money to buy several T1 scanning ships. I have been in low sec since my second week and have lost some ships, but I have already bought 2 plex and have been thinking about the Astero. Seriously, 1 or 2 relic sites in low sec (.4-.1) will net you between 5 and 15 million ISK. That is a lot of frigs. I am flying the Probe, all T1. High Prototype cloak Probe launcher Mid Relic analyzer Data analyzer MWD Cargo scanner Lows DC Nanofiber x2 Rigs Scanning rig x2 (60k a piece) This is a super cheap fit, cheaper without the cloak, and is all you need to get out there and hack some cans. I don't even arm these things anymore because I don't fight, I run. Dump your loot in a station every couple of systems so you don't lose it all when you die.
Atog Uz Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.01.05 23:41:00 - [19] - Quote Khadrea Shakor wrote: 1) Pirate pre-scans Relic/Data Site(s) 2) Pirate leaves positive sec status alt cloaked in system. 3) You jump in, scan down RelicData site(s), start hacking/analyzing 4) Pirate jumps in, uses +£berCeptor of choice to insta warp to your location. 5) You die. Just saying, count with this. Quite a handful to hack/dirscan/loot/stay aligned all at once... Honestly this is a lot of work for someone to pop a T1 ship. I just haven't seen it. People that have killed me mostly did it because I wasn't paying attention. I even hack the sites with 7 or 8 people in local (as long as there is a station) and haven't had a ton of trouble. Drop you loot off often, and you will be ok. I relic site buys me 5 frigs so who cares if I lose a few.
Khadrea Shakor Shakor Freight and Mining Service 18	Posted - 2014.01.06 05:48:00 - [20] - Quote Atog Uz wrote: Khadrea Shakor wrote: 1) Pirate pre-scans Relic/Data Site(s) 2) Pirate leaves positive sec status alt cloaked in system. 3) You jump in, scan down RelicData site(s), start hacking/analyzing 4) Pirate jumps in, uses +£berCeptor of choice to insta warp to your location. 5) You die. Just saying, count with this. Quite a handful to hack/dirscan/loot/stay aligned all at once... Honestly this is a lot of work for someone to pop a T1 ship. I just haven't seen it. People that have killed me mostly did it because I wasn't paying attention. I even hack the sites with 7 or 8 people in local (as long as there is a station) and haven't had a ton of trouble. Drop you loot off often, and you will be ok. I relic site buys me 5 frigs so who cares if I lose a few. Was on top of me within seconds after appearing in Local. You can not do that without having the site pre-scanned. I am not mad, I am just saying this happens.
Treborr MintingtonJr Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai 126	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:03:00 - [21] - Quote Concerning the wormhole thing, thats definitely bad luck
Rand Allesteir EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:10:00 - [22] - Quote Khadrea Shakor wrote: Was on top of me within seconds after appearing in Local. You can not do that without having the site pre-scanned. I am not mad, I am just saying this happens. Sure, it happens, but how often? To a newbie what you lost might seem like a lot, but exploration pulls in enough isk to make it a "meh" loss. Furthermore, you don't actually need a sister's scanner, or even sister's probes - I've been scanning down sites just fine without them. A t1 frig with cheap t1 mods costs less than 3mil and most of that is the cloak. The best investment is the T2 data/relic analyzers which up your chances of completing the highest difficulty minigames, which is also another mil. Even the worst sites are likely to give you a couple of mil in lowsec. Warping out as soon as you see someone doesn't really teach you anything. Try using dscan to figure out what they're doing, and whether they can find you. You can spam a short-range dscan to look for incoming ships and warp away if you see one incoming. There's lots of ways to mitigate the risk, but if you're expecting no risk(== no ships lost), then you're not going to find that, even in hisec.
Gimme more Cynos Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 114	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:20:00 - [23] - Quote maybe this helps: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467&p=2
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1035	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:41:00 - [24] - Quote Rand Allesteir wrote: A t1 frig with cheap t1 mods costs less than 3mil and most of that is the cloak. Is there any reason to fit a cloak on the T1 frigs in low-sec?, can't really see where it would make a difference. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1982	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:53:00 - [25] - Quote dexington wrote: Rand Allesteir wrote: A t1 frig with cheap t1 mods costs less than 3mil and most of that is the cloak. Is there any reason to fit a cloak on the T1 frigs in low-sec?, can't really see where it would make a difference. Low skills, taking forever to pin a site, no safes, forgetting to hit dscan because you're jiggling probes instead.... As soon as someone lands on grid, you're dead. That's all I can think of.
Khadrea Shakor Shakor Freight and Mining Service 18	Posted - 2014.01.06 20:22:00 - [26] - Quote Rand Allesteir wrote: Khadrea Shakor wrote: Was on top of me within seconds after appearing in Local. You can not do that without having the site pre-scanned. I am not mad, I am just saying this happens. Sure, it happens, but how often? To a newbie what you lost might seem like a lot, but exploration pulls in enough isk to make it a "meh" loss. Furthermore, you don't actually need a sister's scanner, or even sister's probes - I've been scanning down sites just fine without them. A t1 frig with cheap t1 mods costs less than 3mil and most of that is the cloak. The best investment is the T2 data/relic analyzers which up your chances of completing the highest difficulty minigames, which is also another mil. Even the worst sites are likely to give you a couple of mil in lowsec. Warping out as soon as you see someone doesn't really teach you anything. Try using dscan to figure out what they're doing, and whether they can find you. You can spam a short-range dscan to look for incoming ships and warp away if you see one incoming. There's lots of ways to mitigate the risk, but if you're expecting no risk(== no ships lost), then you're not going to find that, even in hisec. Look Rand, I am not disputing any of this :) I'm just saying this happens and it's nigh impossible to properly do the d-scan+play the minigame+etc. btw I've had that covops for..i don't know..four years? It finally died, yay. Jita was close by.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1035	Posted - 2014.01.06 20:54:00 - [27] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: dexington wrote: Rand Allesteir wrote: A t1 frig with cheap t1 mods costs less than 3mil and most of that is the cloak. Is there any reason to fit a cloak on the T1 frigs in low-sec?, can't really see where it would make a difference. Low skills, taking forever to pin a site, no safes, forgetting to hit dscan because you're jiggling probes instead.... As soon as someone lands on grid, you're dead. That's all I can think of. Guess it can be handy, if you don't have safes to hide in while scanning. If you have a safe to warp to, you can just mwd in any direction and you should be safe. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Atog Uz Help Desk Please Hold 0	Posted - 2014.01.07 00:36:00 - [28] - Quote dexington wrote: Rand Allesteir wrote: A t1 frig with cheap t1 mods costs less than 3mil and most of that is the cloak. Is there any reason to fit a cloak on the T1 frigs in low-sec?, can't really see where it would make a difference. I like it, kind of like a security blanket, but I did a lot of scanning without it. It has saved me twice so far so it has paid for itself. I also use it if I need to go afk. Saves me the warp to station and keeps the active scans up (going in the station resets them). It really is a convenience item. I just use the cheap one though.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1035	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:58:00 - [29] - Quote I can see how the cloak makes life a little easier, but for the 3 high frigs i think 2 guns and a probe launcher opens up a lot more options. The magnate and heron both can do between 100 and 150 dps depending on fitting and skills, it's more then enough to bully other explores you came across. The downside is that it's hard to fit both the cargo scanner, analyzers, prop mods and scram... I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

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