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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.14 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 14/03/2006 23:59:23
Edited by: Sevarus James on 14/03/2006 23:56:08
Edited by: Sevarus James on 14/03/2006 23:55:54
Edited by: Sevarus James on 14/03/2006 23:54:36
Press release from Cedega:
Cedega 5.1.1 Released
Issued on Tuesday March 14, 2006
Available as of March 14, 2006 Cedega 5.1.1 brings a bundle of fixes to users. In World of Warcraft«, server messages will now be visible thanks to a patch submitted by Brian G. A number of fixes providing greater stability in EVE-Online« means it no longer crashes going to the menus. New installations of Star Wars GalaxiesÖ will once again startup correctly. This and more are now available in TransGaming's latest release.
Read the full Release Notes to find out everything that Cedega 5.1.1 contains.
Get Cedega 5.1.1 now and let the games begin!
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I've been testing this for the last couple hours, and................IT WORKS! It seems very stable at this point, and FINALLY the menus are working, the minnie gates and stations ARE NOT CRASHING the game. My fps has been VERY comparable to the windows side even in 60+ player systems.
This isn't to start a windows vs. linux thing, its just information that will help those who want it.
I'm sitting here with a big grin, feels like someone just gave me the perfect christmas present!
Cedega site
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.03.14 23:57:00 -
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Cool...I can't wait to be free from windows. Eve is the only reason I run it.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.03.15 00:34:00 -
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woot thats ace
havent been over there in a couple of weeks but will run over as fast as i can :)
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.15 00:46:00 -
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have they fixed all the graphical glitches with the fonts and stuff?
when i tried it, i couldn't read anything cause all the fonts were ****** up. Plus, both gentoo & ubuntu seem to hate my graphics card for some reason.
no skills, just luck.
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Evod
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:03:00 -
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Now if I can just get Eve to run on OSX, all will be right with the world.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Usul Faust
have they fixed all the graphical glitches with the fonts and stuff?
when i tried it, i couldn't read anything cause all the fonts were ****** up. Plus, both gentoo & ubuntu seem to hate my graphics card for some reason.
I'm running ubuntu 5.10 and took the DEFAULT settings for the new version, and it looked clean as a whistle to me. I am using an nvidia card. will be testing ATI and a laptop for updating tech forum below later this evening.
The fact that minmatar gates/stations and such no longer are crashing means that people behind the scenes really changed up some stuff. Its working without issues at the moment. 3 days off coming up, so I'll be able to really hammer on it.
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:40:00 -
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cool program, pitty i dont run linux
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries*
this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris
Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr!  ~kieron
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:41:00 -
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/me swoons and runs to get her slackware CDs
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:42:00 -
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hmm... on suse 10 it still crashes when the esc button is touched 
ill drop eve into the machine with mandriva in it and see
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:43:00 -
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It isn't about switching the linux flavor  It's about the readjustment of your settings, possible your kernel modules. Better to find out why escape is breaking than hoping another GUI in a similar linux kernel will fix it.
Default settings ftl
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Airpizza II
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:47:00 -
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Cool, except have you found a way to do something like fraps for eve in linux?
Thats the only thing holding me back now.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
hmm... on suse 10 it still crashes when the esc button is touched
ill drop eve into the machine with mandriva in it and see
Just make sure to change the EVE 'properties' to use 5.1.1
I too had that problem after the upgrade, as Cedega allows different version of winex to be used. After changing the eve icon to use the 5.1.1, it worked.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.15 02:14:00 -
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\o/
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.03.15 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: Malken
hmm... on suse 10 it still crashes when the esc button is touched
ill drop eve into the machine with mandriva in it and see
Just make sure to change the EVE 'properties' to use 5.1.1
I too had that problem after the upgrade, as Cedega allows different version of winex to be used. After changing the eve icon to use the 5.1.1, it worked.
that could be why.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.03.15 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
It isn't about switching the linux flavor It's about the readjustment of your settings, possible your kernel modules. Better to find out why escape is breaking than hoping another GUI in a similar linux kernel will fix it.
Default settings ftl
and i do have several machines that will run eve under linux, and i was merely taking a short route to see if there was a difference in behaviour between them as it has been in the past with other versions of Cedega.
and either way i was going to have to install the new version on those machines also
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.03.15 02:32:00 -
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now who has a warezed copy of cedega I can get. 
evemail me paying 5mill isk for warzed copy of cedega 
That 1% was enough - Wrangler |
Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.03.15 04:37:00 -
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update It Kinda works I give it a 70%
1 FPS in windowed mode blows big time but only a small fps drop in fullscreen mode compared to my windows machine.
2 dont press ESC you crash
3 cant change between fullscreen and windowed mode wihle in game, but you can at the character selection screen.
4 some protraits dont render properly
5 mouse flickers occasionally.
This leaves me very hopeful that in a few versions cedega will have eve running 100%
PS the memory leak doesnt appear to be effecting my linux machine
That 1% was enough - Wrangler |
Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rasitiln
update It Kinda works I give it a 70%
1 FPS in windowed mode blows big time but only a small fps drop in fullscreen mode compared to my windows machine.
2 dont press ESC you crash
3 cant change between fullscreen and windowed mode wihle in game, but you can at the character selection screen.
4 some protraits dont render properly
5 mouse flickers occasionally.
This leaves me very hopeful that in a few versions cedega will have eve running 100%
PS the memory leak doesnt appear to be effecting my linux machine
Are you SURE you got 5.1.1? the 5.1 had the 'escape' crash. 5.1.1 fixes all of that.
Just curious, as I'm not having any escape key crashes whatsoever, and other than choppy fps in windowed mode, not seeing those issues now.
"No power in the 'verse can stop us now!" |
Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.03.15 04:53:00 -
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hmm ill check later
That 1% was enough - Wrangler |
Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2006.03.15 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Evod
Now if I can just get Eve to run on OSX, all will be right with the world.
Yes, please . . .
Waiting patiently for my Vista running new PowerBook (for EVE purposes only).
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.15 06:02:00 -
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I wouldnt want to pvp with a non windows installation for safety reasons, but its good if we can go away from windows, especially internet cafe's who pay a lot for Windows lisences.
Selling: Absolution - Curse - Gleam S - BPC's - check my bio
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.03.15 06:32:00 -
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It makes me chuckle each time I see someone saying that they will leave windows for good because of program X is now on linux.
I still belive that linux is good for lowcost and lowend server enviroment but it will NEVER be a good replacement for joe-avarages desktop os.
Unnerf Amarr!!
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DJManas
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Posted - 2006.03.15 06:37:00 -
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wow, I still cant find out why everybody got eve-online running under cedega :( I tried it myself under cedega 5.1 and it wasnt working. I am wondering what am I doing wrong ;(
Ran cedega, launched installation of eve online, it took something about 2 hours to complete and then the launch of the game exe through their "new integrated point2play" thingy only resolved into system hung up after splash screen. I know there can by something wrong with the system :( but I dunno what.
I am using Gentoo with 2.6.15-nitro3 kernel. Ati drivers, the newest stable I think (not sure atm cause dunno if I am not using testing version cause havent been in my linux box for a while thanks to eve :/) All tests in cedega are green so even 3D support works correctly.
My system configuration (AMD 2000+, 512MB ram, ati radeon 9500 pro)
Can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong? Thanks
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2006.03.15 06:58:00 -
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Very interested in this... but, while I can work my way around a linux box DECENTLY, i don't trust myself to wipe my winblows box and try linux for eve...
can anybody supply a step by step walkthru of how to go about getting eve to run?
WTS Ishkurs | WTB T2 BPOs |
Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Niaski Zalani
Very interested in this... but, while I can work my way around a linux box DECENTLY, i don't trust myself to wipe my winblows box and try linux for eve...
can anybody supply a step by step walkthru of how to go about getting eve to run?
Best place for good info/start would be down in the tech forum. I didn't start this thread as a 'how-to', rather a pointer for those interested. If you put up a question down in tech forum under the linux thread we have, I'd be happy to give you a hand.
"No power in the 'verse can stop us now!" |
Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
It makes me chuckle each time I see someone saying that they will leave windows for good because of program X is now on linux.
I still belive that linux is good for lowcost and lowend server enviroment but it will NEVER be a good replacement for joe-avarages desktop os.
Your sig sayeth it all methinks. (clueless) I HAVE left windows for everything. I run linux (ubuntu 5.10 to be specific) on my laptop and my primary machines. I have no reason to run windows at all.
If this proves stable during my next three 'playing' days, then I will have no need for that small windows partition set up specifically for EVE.
Finally, and AGAIN, this thread isn't about starting a war, its just INFO for those of us who DO want to use the product. kthxbye.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Da Death
I wouldnt want to pvp with a non windows installation for safety reasons, but its good if we can go away from windows, especially internet cafe's who pay a lot for Windows lisences.
I'm not being facecious, so bear with me, but why on earth would running on a non-windows platform be a 'safety' issue in pvp?
no skills, just luck.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
It makes me chuckle each time I see someone saying that they will leave windows for good because of program X is now on linux.
I still belive that linux is good for lowcost and lowend server enviroment but it will NEVER be a good replacement for joe-avarages desktop os.
In fairness, average-joe will be running office, a browser and a few games.
Linux will run openoffice, a multitude of browsers and a few games (throught cedega, granted...)
Most of the latest distros are slick enough that average-joe won't need to ever touch the console, and similar enough to Windows/OSX from an ergonomics point of view to avoid confusing idiots.
no skills, just luck.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
It makes me chuckle each time I see someone saying that they will leave windows for good because of program X is now on linux.
I still belive that linux is good for lowcost and lowend server enviroment but it will NEVER be a good replacement for joe-avarages desktop os.
Your comment is ironic, as the best thing Linux does is work as an "average joe machine", as a good distro can be installed and setup without any knowledge of Linux whatsoever, and will never crash most likely.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kuolematon
It makes me chuckle each time I see someone saying that they will leave windows for good because of program X is now on linux.
I still belive that linux is good for lowcost and lowend server enviroment but it will NEVER be a good replacement for joe-avarages desktop os.
Your comment is ironic, as the best thing Linux does is work as an "average joe machine", as a good distro can be installed and setup without any knowledge of Linux whatsoever, and will never crash most likely.
There have been initiatives to change the ability of average-joe to use Linux as a desktop, and while I find them quite interesting, I still don't feel they're quite there yet. I'm confident it will happen, the initiatives will become more coherent and consistent.
Incidentally, I think their best way to succeed is imitate Windows as much as they can (the good parts of course) because that way the transition from Windows becomes more feasible. See Lindows for example (Which btw are partnering with Transgaming for a smoother Cedega experience and game download/installation process).
Senior Producer
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:37:00 -
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so no native linux version any time soon, then? ;)
no skills, just luck.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:46:00 -
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As I see you're up and about Oveur, I have to agree to a degree. On the gaming side, Linux has roadblocks, partly due to Microsoft's DX standards vs. the OpenGL standard on "nix".
ID software has made a stand about making sure to write for the platform, as have a few other game companies, but you are correct in the 'acceptance' side of things.
I DO disagree with you on the desktop side in general. Lindows is a good example, but an even better one is Ubuntu. Mark Shuttleworth is really on a mission to 'enable' an alternative to the MS monopoly, and is doing so by making SURE that the distro is freely accessible AND FREE as well as being fully supported by his Canonical Corporation. Mandriva, Fedora Core also come to mind as very VERY good 'joe-user' desktops.
Finally, SUSE 10+ being developed by Novell is now really taking the industry by storm due to the XGL initiative which is bringing some serious horsepower to the desktop and opengl. This has given us linux 'gamers' high hopes as it raises the bar AND awareness of the platform as an alternative to the closed source offerings.
I also must add that this newest release of Cedega has really helped EVE for those of us who DO chose the alternative, and if you folks gave advice/help to the Transgaming folks, I am giving you a big BRAVO and thankyou!
If not......neverrr mind. (emily litella voice).
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kuolematon
It makes me chuckle each time I see someone saying that they will leave windows for good because of program X is now on linux.
I still belive that linux is good for lowcost and lowend server enviroment but it will NEVER be a good replacement for joe-avarages desktop os.
Your comment is ironic, as the best thing Linux does is work as an "average joe machine", as a good distro can be installed and setup without any knowledge of Linux whatsoever, and will never crash most likely.
There have been initiatives to change the ability of average-joe to use Linux as a desktop, and while I find them quite interesting, I still don't feel they're quite there yet. I'm confident it will happen, the initiatives will become more coherent and consistent.
Incidentally, I think their best way to succeed is imitate Windows as much as they can (the good parts of course) because that way the transition from Windows becomes more feasible. See Lindows for example (Which btw are partnering with Transgaming for a smoother Cedega experience and game download/installation process).
Oveur is on a rampage today, he's posting in every thread 
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
See Lindows for example (Which btw are partnering with Transgaming for a smoother Cedega experience and game download/installation process).
Except its not lindows, and hasnt been for a few years now.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:53:00 -
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that's soo true wormy. lmao. I don't know why but even though it IS linspire......for some reason that "lindows" name sticks in the head.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
that's soo true wormy. lmao. I don't know why but even though it IS linspire......for some reason that "lindows" name sticks in the head.
It should be called, "Stupified Debian"
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Oveur
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Oveur
See Lindows for example (Which btw are partnering with Transgaming for a smoother Cedega experience and game download/installation process).
Except its not lindows, and hasnt been for a few years now.
It's always going to be Lindows for me
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Sevarus James
that's soo true wormy. lmao. I don't know why but even though it IS linspire......for some reason that "lindows" name sticks in the head.
It should be called, "Stupified Debian"
No, that's Mepis
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Oveur
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
As I see you're up and about Oveur, I have to agree to a degree. On the gaming side, Linux has roadblocks, partly due to Microsoft's DX standards vs. the OpenGL standard on "nix".
ID software has made a stand about making sure to write for the platform, as have a few other game companies, but you are correct in the 'acceptance' side of things.
I DO disagree with you on the desktop side in general. Lindows is a good example, but an even better one is Ubuntu. Mark Shuttleworth is really on a mission to 'enable' an alternative to the MS monopoly, and is doing so by making SURE that the distro is freely accessible AND FREE as well as being fully supported by his Canonical Corporation. Mandriva, Fedora Core also come to mind as very VERY good 'joe-user' desktops.
Finally, SUSE 10+ being developed by Novell is now really taking the industry by storm due to the XGL initiative which is bringing some serious horsepower to the desktop and opengl. This has given us linux 'gamers' high hopes as it raises the bar AND awareness of the platform as an alternative to the closed source offerings.
I also must add that this newest release of Cedega has really helped EVE for those of us who DO chose the alternative, and if you folks gave advice/help to the Transgaming folks, I am giving you a big BRAVO and thankyou!
If not......neverrr mind. (emily litella voice).
Like I said, not quite there yet. Ubuntu is getting there, SUSE might get there etc. So we do actually agree, but I still feel they have a way to go in minimizing the transition from windows.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 15/03/2006 11:22:38
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Oveur
See Lindows for example (Which btw are partnering with Transgaming for a smoother Cedega experience and game download/installation process).
Except its not lindows, and hasnt been for a few years now.
It's always going to be Lindows for me
Linspire Five-0 CNR Edition
WTF!
CNR Edition?
What's that, a free Caldari Navy Raven with every install?
/me buys 10 copies.
Oh, poo. 
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Swethren
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:27:00 -
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Any debian users and results from that?
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Sevarus James
As I see you're up and about Oveur, I have to agree to a degree. On the gaming side, Linux has roadblocks, partly due to Microsoft's DX standards vs. the OpenGL standard on "nix".
ID software has made a stand about making sure to write for the platform, as have a few other game companies, but you are correct in the 'acceptance' side of things.
I DO disagree with you on the desktop side in general. Lindows is a good example, but an even better one is Ubuntu. Mark Shuttleworth is really on a mission to 'enable' an alternative to the MS monopoly, and is doing so by making SURE that the distro is freely accessible AND FREE as well as being fully supported by his Canonical Corporation. Mandriva, Fedora Core also come to mind as very VERY good 'joe-user' desktops.
Finally, SUSE 10+ being developed by Novell is now really taking the industry by storm due to the XGL initiative which is bringing some serious horsepower to the desktop and opengl. This has given us linux 'gamers' high hopes as it raises the bar AND awareness of the platform as an alternative to the closed source offerings.
I also must add that this newest release of Cedega has really helped EVE for those of us who DO chose the alternative, and if you folks gave advice/help to the Transgaming folks, I am giving you a big BRAVO and thankyou!
If not......neverrr mind. (emily litella voice).
Like I said, not quite there yet. Ubuntu is getting there, SUSE might get there etc. So we do actually agree, but I still feel they have a way to go in minimizing the transition from windows.
Oops...I forgot...I'm talking to a game developer. lol. My 'it is there' is referring to joe user who needs to safely browse, email, listen to tunes, etc.
On the game side, it 'would' be there, if more developers had stayed with openGL vs. the siren song that microsoft played a few years ago, but that, as they say, is hindsight. We have what we have.
I'm not completely sure, philosophically that the transition needs to be so transparent. As windows does quite a few things in a mangled/bad way, having the transition be fairly painless, yet different in usability look and feel, etc., is not a bad thing. User security rules being at the top of my mind in this regard.
It would be best if it were applications only, and who cares what engine is under the hood. Then something like EVE would be "plug it in and drive" without forcing the potential customer be left out in the cold because their computer wasn't under Redmond's thumb. -I can dream. In the meantime we do the best that we can.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Swethren
Any debian users and results from that?
Although not 'strictly' debian, I'm using ubuntu 5.10 which is using the sid branch.
I'll be posting in tech forum thread about more results the next few days, but so far it has been rock solid.
This is, of course, with the latest NVIDIA drivers. ATI drivers are, imho, sadly behind on their Nix support in comparison, but users have reported very good results with other Cedega emulated games.
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: Swethren
Any debian users and results from that?
Although not 'strictly' debian, I'm using ubuntu 5.10 which is using the sid branch.
I'll be posting in tech forum thread about more results the next few days, but so far it has been rock solid.
This is, of course, with the latest NVIDIA drivers. ATI drivers are, imho, sadly behind on their Nix support in comparison, but users have reported very good results with other Cedega emulated games.
being a South African, I should probably use Ubuntu...
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:43:00 -
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I thought Mark had 'redmond-tized' South Africa already.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.03.15 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kuolematon on 15/03/2006 12:46:49
Originally by: Oveur
There have been initiatives to change the ability of average-joe to use Linux as a desktop, and while I find them quite interesting, I still don't feel they're quite there yet. I'm confident it will happen, the initiatives will become more coherent and consistent.
Why thank you for seeing my point of view rather than seeing me as a big bad clueless troll. I work in midsized school as a system admin (aka. BOFH - can I apply to CCP, plz? ;)) and I can say that avarage joe is really, REALLY dumb.
Perhaps people talking here dosen't know what I mean by avarage joe or has wrong picture of people using windows. Linux is good for servers, that I won't deny but I would not install one as a desktop because Windows simply rule there.
And to add irony, I even use Internet Explorer because it's actually quite safe when you know how to surf. If you say to me that FireFox is better and secure -- have you noticed how many security holes there was found after masses started using it? Or fact that it has no default AD protection what-so-ever.
Keep calling be stupid or troll and flaming me but fact remains that Linux is NOT ready for mainstream. What future holds, I will keep my hopes up but not today nor tomorrow.
Unnerf Amarr!!
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Rose Kolodny
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
There have been initiatives to change the ability of average-joe to use Linux as a desktop, and while I find them quite interesting, I still don't feel they're quite there yet. I'm confident it will happen, the initiatives will become more coherent and consistent.
Incidentally, I think their best way to succeed is imitate Windows as much as they can (the good parts of course) because that way the transition from Windows becomes more feasible. See Lindows for example (Which btw are partnering with Transgaming for a smoother Cedega experience and game download/installation process).
Why should someone want to imitate Windows? I really don't get it. What best parts shall Linux inherit? I use XP myself, but what you are asking for has been there like 6 years ago. Linux works.
A port of EVE to it and a good documentation for the "average-joe" would do it. One could think with 100k subscribers CCP would finally have the money to pay someone for a port and maintaince of a Linux/OSX client :P.
I am not dogmatic, everyone should run what he likes to run, but please stop using Linux as an excuse for a Windows only game client while multi-OS programming and software exists.
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Rose Kolodny
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:12:00 -
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And don't say there is no money in a Linux client, just look at your involvement in China and see how much they like Linux there :P.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Your comment is ironic, as the best thing Linux does is work as an "average joe machine", as a good distro can be installed and setup without any knowledge of Linux whatsoever, and will never crash most likely.
To some extent. But that sugar-coated paragraph always stops dead in its tracks the second your average joe user scratches his head and asks which one of the thousand text editors he should use.
I'm not saying Linux isn't capable of being what you describe, I just think that no distro out there has got the usability and consistency thing down pat. It always feels cobbled together from the vision and effort of thousands of folks, because it is. Apple seems to be the only bunch of guys that's realized this, and this is why OS X's simplicity, while still retaining every ounce of power inherent in its makings, attractive to novices and experts alike.
That's just my opinion though. :) Back on topic, I think this is a great thing, and can only serve to make EVE available to be played by even more cynical unshaven pudgy sysadmin types (insert picture: The Comic Guy). :)
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oveur is on a rampage today, he's posting in every thread
*heads to the hardware store to pick up a new Irony Meter*
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Your comment is ironic, as the best thing Linux does is work as an "average joe machine", as a good distro can be installed and setup without any knowledge of Linux whatsoever, and will never crash most likely.
To some extent. But that sugar-coated paragraph always stops dead in its tracks the second your average joe user scratches his head and asks which one of the thousand text editors he should use.
That's why a good Linux distro for an "average joe" is Openoffice + Firefox.
That's it.
Nothing else.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Back on topic, I think this is a great thing, and can only serve to make EVE available to be played by even more cynical unshaven pudgy sysadmin types (insert picture: The Comic Guy). :)
Are you watching me?
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Evod
Now if I can just get Eve to run on OSX, all will be right with the world.
QFT, is anything going on for that ? :)
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 15/03/2006 13:51:54
My only problem with linux is I don't know what to expect. I hear about so many different verisons of linux that I'm quite happy enough to actually stay with Win XP and 98 since I know them.
Guess you could draw me up as equivilant to an "Old" dog.
Sure you could write a big long line of text and tell me commands and what not but I like purdy pictures and soemthing I can click rather than trying to remember where I filed things...
edit: Although the way Vista is going I might just abandon computers forever... 
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:51:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kahor
Originally by: Evod
Now if I can just get Eve to run on OSX, all will be right with the world.
QFT, is anything going on for that ? :)
No, and it's been asked for many, many times, so please don't start it up again. :)
And Avon: no. :)
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Asane on 15/03/2006 14:00:32
**..**
Sweeee-eeet.. Revelation
Sweet surrendering..
**..**
*runs for his CDs
Btw Oveur, yer a Linuxnerd (halfway) why aren't You hooking us up with a Linux version? *hinthint*
(Above was said mainly cuz I forgot why )
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Pascal DeSacre
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Sevarus James
As I see you're up and about Oveur, I have to agree to a degree. On the gaming side, Linux has roadblocks, partly due to Microsoft's DX standards vs. the OpenGL standard on "nix".
ID software has made a stand about making sure to write for the platform, as have a few other game companies, but you are correct in the 'acceptance' side of things.
I DO disagree with you on the desktop side in general. Lindows is a good example, but an even better one is Ubuntu. Mark Shuttleworth is really on a mission to 'enable' an alternative to the MS monopoly, and is doing so by making SURE that the distro is freely accessible AND FREE as well as being fully supported by his Canonical Corporation. Mandriva, Fedora Core also come to mind as very VERY good 'joe-user' desktops.
Finally, SUSE 10+ being developed by Novell is now really taking the industry by storm due to the XGL initiative which is bringing some serious horsepower to the desktop and opengl. This has given us linux 'gamers' high hopes as it raises the bar AND awareness of the platform as an alternative to the closed source offerings.
I also must add that this newest release of Cedega has really helped EVE for those of us who DO chose the alternative, and if you folks gave advice/help to the Transgaming folks, I am giving you a big BRAVO and thankyou!
If not......neverrr mind. (emily litella voice).
Like I said, not quite there yet. Ubuntu is getting there, SUSE might get there etc. So we do actually agree, but I still feel they have a way to go in minimizing the transition from windows.
And yet I hardly ever see that argument against Macs. The transition is perfectly easy; most Linux GUIs these days are as similar in appearance to Windows as MacOS, many are more similar to MacOS, which many people think offers an easier experiance than Windows for the generic PEBKAC user.
The only reason I dont run Linux alone at the moment is college; my HD doesnt have the room for an extra partition, and all my college work is dependant on Microsoft software. And I know sod-all about command line or any of that malarky, I just want a more stable computing experiance that wont cost me a couple of grand(bloody Vista  ).
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:47:00 -
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Basically, the cost of redeveloping the source for *nix is more than the number of subs CCP have calculated they'll gain. They are a business, after all.
no skills, just luck.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Uther Doull on 15/03/2006 14:54:44
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kuolematon
It makes me chuckle each time I see someone saying that they will leave windows for good because of program X is now on linux.
I still belive that linux is good for lowcost and lowend server enviroment but it will NEVER be a good replacement for joe-avarages desktop os.
Your comment is ironic, as the best thing Linux does is work as an "average joe machine", as a good distro can be installed and setup without any knowledge of Linux whatsoever, and will never crash most likely.
Linux will never be an 'average joe os' unless the majority of all average joes uses linux... simple as that.
the same goes for any os, average joes don't use what's best or even what's easiest, they use whatever every1 else uses and right now, and i think in the forseeable future, that's windows.
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Max Tesla
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:54:00 -
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Xandros is a linux version that handles eve great and cedega just makes it better Go linux all the way and death to windows may it burn forever
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 15/03/2006 15:22:00
I could write a page and a half about this 'average joe' and linux usage, I really could, but sometimes being to the point and brief is better. The reason people have the opinion, (Oveur included) that linux isn't ready for Joe Average User is summed up in the following two sentences:
1. Perception is EVERYTHING.
2. Marketing Trumps Technical superiority.
IBM found this out years ago with OS/2 much to their chagrin. Microsoft helped build that OS, and then buried it under an avalanche of marketing and FUD. (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.)
Linux will not have mainstream acceptance until more and more businesses adopt it for daily use. Business adoption has always fueled the home users environment.
In Europe and the Pan Pacific Rim, this is happening to a much larger degree now as the costs associated with Microsoft's licensing restrictions and business practices are FORCING a look at the alternatives.
Linux doesn't have the marketing muscle as it is a community effort. It doesn't have the "numbers" as its free (for the most part) to download and install, therefore accurate assesment of its penetration in the 'home' is damn difficult to glean.
What IS known is that more and more the demand for this alternative solution is cropping up in the news (I.T and otherwise).
This thread once again, begins to drift to the windows vs. linux wars. I started the thread as a 'news/information' piece letting our linux user contingent know we had progress in being able to use our operating system to play EVE.
I personally am NOT an anti-microsoft bigot. I firmly believe in the "right tool for the job". I also believe that if one tool begins to become cumbersome, expensive, clunky, bug ridden, viral prone unsecure AND expensive, I will look for an alternative. In this case, Linux wins for me on the desktop. Now, with the Cedega folks getting the polish on their "windows on linux" interface, it becomes even more capable for me to run the applications I want to run without being forced into a particular product against my wishes.
I'm just happy that I'm not alone here, and that the Transgaming folks have the same ambitions and goals. I get to play what I want on the operating system I CHOOSE. Simple enough for being 'ready' to me.
this post written on Open Office Write 2.0 using Firefox 1.5, listening to streaming radio (shoutcast) via XMMS plug-in, being viewed at 1900x1200 resolution with multiple virtual desktops to organize the various programs running to avoid clutter. Using Linux (Ubuntu 5.10)....and not one command line in sight at the moment. Eve running in a window in the background under cedega. OH, and this pc hasn't been rebooted in..........37 days.
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Derran
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Posted - 2006.03.15 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Evod
Now if I can just get Eve to run on OSX, all will be right with the world.
I hear ya. I'll settle for running it in Linux for now.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.15 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
IBM found this out years ago with OS/2 much to their chagrin. Microsoft helped build that OS, and then buried it under an avalanche of marketing and FUD. (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.)
Surely it was more to do with OS/2 being really really bad.
no skills, just luck.
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David Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.03.15 15:47:00 -
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Rather than join the windows vs. linux flamewar here, I'll actually ask a question on topic:
To those of you running Eve under Cedega 5.1.1, how do you deal with the mouse issue? In full screen mode, I still get the mouse pointer being rendered an inch and a half away from where the actual pointer is pointing.
In previous versions, I was able to alt-enter to windowed mode and back again to solve this, but with 5.1.1, there is some strange resolution issue and it just frells the whole thing up.
Should I delve into the resolutions, or have people found a better solution to the eve mouse-issue?
As an aside, anyone know what causes it? None of the other games I've ever run under Cedega has had that issue...
(As to Linux for the average user, everyone is arguing the wrong thing. How many "Joe Averages" installed windows? None. It's all about OEM support. If Dell put a quarter the effort they put into Windows into selling pre-installed mainstream Linux boxes, "Joe Average" wouldn't have a problem with it.)
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: David Sinclair
Rather than join the windows vs. linux flamewar here, I'll actually ask a question on topic:
To those of you running Eve under Cedega 5.1.1, how do you deal with the mouse issue? In full screen mode, I still get the mouse pointer being rendered an inch and a half away from where the actual pointer is pointing.
In previous versions, I was able to alt-enter to windowed mode and back again to solve this, but with 5.1.1, there is some strange resolution issue and it just frells the whole thing up.
Should I delve into the resolutions, or have people found a better solution to the eve mouse-issue?
As an aside, anyone know what causes it? None of the other games I've ever run under Cedega has had that issue...
(As to Linux for the average user, everyone is arguing the wrong thing. How many "Joe Averages" installed windows? None. It's all about OEM support. If Dell put a quarter the effort they put into Windows into selling pre-installed mainstream Linux boxes, "Joe Average" wouldn't have a problem with it.)
Agreed on the OEM side of the coin.
As to the mouse.......I'm not having any issues with it being off either in a window, or full screen. :O
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:35:00 -
[66]
Originally by: David Sinclair
Rather than join the windows vs. linux flamewar here, I'll actually ask a question on topic:
To those of you running Eve under Cedega 5.1.1, how do you deal with the mouse issue? In full screen mode, I still get the mouse pointer being rendered an inch and a half away from where the actual pointer is pointing.
In previous versions, I was able to alt-enter to windowed mode and back again to solve this, but with 5.1.1, there is some strange resolution issue and it just frells the whole thing up.
Should I delve into the resolutions, or have people found a better solution to the eve mouse-issue?
As an aside, anyone know what causes it? None of the other games I've ever run under Cedega has had that issue...
(As to Linux for the average user, everyone is arguing the wrong thing. How many "Joe Averages" installed windows? None. It's all about OEM support. If Dell put a quarter the effort they put into Windows into selling pre-installed mainstream Linux boxes, "Joe Average" wouldn't have a problem with it.)
This problem use to happen in previous version all you had to do was go to windowed mode and then back to full screen and it fixed itself.
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David Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
As to the mouse.......I'm not having any issues with it being off either in a window, or full screen. :O
I figured it out. Eve apparently doesn't like being corralled into a desktop window. Running it in true full-screen (or normal windowed mode) solved the issue.
The only issue now is the flickering pointer. I remember I had the same issue a while back when I played WoW under Linux. The pointer would flicker when the mouse was set to Hardware control, but was smooth as silk when I just changed it to "Software Mouse". I don't see any similar option under Eve though...
One other thing, since we have a dev cruising this forum. I ran across this article this morning about a WoW user who got summarilly banned from the game for running it under Linux with a Logitech keyboard. It's not entirely clear whether it was the keyboard or the Linux or some combination thereof (It's also suggested that Blizzard spyware^H^H^H^H^H^H anti-cheat software through up a red flag for not being able to see the normal windows environment.
Can we get a definitive statement from CCP that running Eve under Linux is not a bannable offense? Obviously, I don't expect CCP to support linux (though, it'd be really nice), actively banning it is another thing entirely...
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:59:00 -
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I got 5.1.1 and it works \o/ and I mean it works good no bugs no crashing
/emote throws windows box in the trash
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.03.15 18:18:00 -
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screenshot of my gentoo system runing eve
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.15 18:20:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Rasitiln
screenshot of my gentoo system runing eve
Nice!
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Trek
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Posted - 2006.03.15 18:37:00 -
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Well, appears there is work in progres to use Cedega on FreeBSD! Unfortunatley it is moving very slow so I guess I'll be stuck with windows for a while more. I definetley prefer *BSD over Linux so I'll have to consider it a few times before switching to an OS I don't really like even if switching from an OS I like even less! 
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.15 18:37:00 -
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I want to report the guy named "Gud" in there right away, for obvious reasons...
(Assuming that isn't actually Oveur..)
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.15 18:48:00 -
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Prefer windows before Linux...?
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Trek
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Posted - 2006.03.15 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Asane
Prefer windows before Linux...?
Not really, but I am not that fond of Linux either, so.. However I would prefer Free/OpenBSD over Linux and Windows any day!
In my oppinion Free/Net/OpenBSD feels a lot more mature and not as much of a hack putting things together with ducttape and glue like Linux does (which I actually should like since I am Minmatar ). Anyhow, does anyone know if there is any linux distribution that follows the BSD style instead of SysV? If so that would be a bit more interesting!
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Nightblade
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: David Sinclair
To those of you running Eve under Cedega 5.1.1, how do you deal with the mouse issue? In full screen mode, I still get the mouse pointer being rendered an inch and a half away from where the actual pointer is pointing.
In previous versions, I was able to alt-enter to windowed mode and back again to solve this, but with 5.1.1, there is some strange resolution issue and it just frells the whole thing up.
For the mouse cursor, I still use the very old work around of moving the log in window from the center of the screen/desktop window to the top left.
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Filuren
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:30:00 -
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Thank you, thank you, thank you..
The only reason I have not switched to Linux has been that I like to play games.
I have never heard about this product but as soon as I get home from work I will try and install it.
And if it does the trick, I will switch my dual boot from booting Windows as Default, to boot Ubuntu instead.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:02:00 -
[77]
are they actually allowed to sell lindows without providing a free download?
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F4ze
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:46:00 -
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This is all very nice and all, but I don't feel like shelling out for Cedega just to be able to play under linux...
...however, if I could somehow find a free version of Cedega (or at least a trial) I might give it a try.
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Samantha Dar'Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:48:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Evod
Now if I can just get Eve to run on OSX, all will be right with the world.
Amen
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: F4ze
This is all very nice and all, but I don't feel like shelling out for Cedega just to be able to play under linux...
...however, if I could somehow find a free version of Cedega (or at least a trial) I might give it a try.
Try the CVS version of Cedega/WineX--its free.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.03.15 23:11:00 -
[81]
The thing I don't like about Linux is trying to find drivers for my hardware. Takes a few hours to actually get the thing working, and thats with someone who knows what they are doing working on it. I think until they make getting drivers easier, I'm going to be sticking to windows.
Oh, and Linspire was nice actually, just had some issues with getting MUSHclient to run, so I reinstalled windows since thats all I used that junk-heap laptop for.
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David Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.03.15 23:33:00 -
[82]
Originally by: JamesTalon
The thing I don't like about Linux is trying to find drivers for my hardware. Takes a few hours to actually get the thing working, and thats with someone who knows what they are doing working on it. I think until they make getting drivers easier, I'm going to be sticking to windows.
You know, I don't think I've had to search for a Linux driver in years... the only driver I've had to actually install is the nVidia drivers, but that's no different than windows (and the system will still run X without the specific nv drivers)... and I run Linux on laptops, servers, and desktops...
This seems to be one of the problems with Linux adoption... someone tried it a long time ago, and for whatever reason, some odd piece of hardware doesn't work, so they bad mouth Linux forever... Linux is evolving much faster than windows. To base assumptions of Linux on even just a few years ago would be like dis'ing XP because of Windows 95...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.15 23:39:00 -
[83]
Originally by: JamesTalon
The thing I don't like about Linux is trying to find drivers for my hardware. Takes a few hours to actually get the thing working, and thats with someone who knows what they are doing working on it. I think until they make getting drivers easier, I'm going to be sticking to windows.
I'd say the opposite--Windows almost never has drivers, and you have to search the internet all over to find them (and they often don't work).
Linux almost always works perfectly without any tweaking, however, there are a few very notable exceptions, like Broadcom Wireless chipsets.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.16 00:32:00 -
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The driver question has always been more of perception rather than reality. With linux, you can download a "live" image of most distributions (called distros) to actually try out the system before installing anything. The live cd of the OS boots and sets up in ram as a complete OS. If you have 'issues', this is an easy way to discover them.
As for drivers, most modern linux distros are more complete than XP is. An example of that would be the time test I did on an XP instsall vs. a Ubuntu install on a dual boot system I built recently.
100% working with all driver support, the ubuntu linux system took 1.5 hours. The same install of XP on the SAME system required over three hours. I have to add that the ubuntu system also updated (fixes and such) ALL of the applications as well as the operating system.
There will ALWAYS be driver issues with some PC's. This isn't a windows OR linux issue, this is a component and vendor support issue.
Oh, and here's a quick cap of my "not ready for prime time" desktop running EVE in a 1280x1076 window with other applications running. (My native resolution is 1900x 1200 with an acer 24" widescreen monitor.)
Eve Desktop
That's a streaming radio station running upper right. Lower right notice multiple virtual desktop capability. Also mplayer is running 'Eve Never fades'.
This prior to the new 5.1.1 release of Cedega wasn't possible.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.16 02:25:00 -
[85]
Originally by: David Sinclair
Originally by: Sevarus James
As to the mouse.......I'm not having any issues with it being off either in a window, or full screen. :O
I figured it out. Eve apparently doesn't like being corralled into a desktop window. Running it in true full-screen (or normal windowed mode) solved the issue.
The only issue now is the flickering pointer. I remember I had the same issue a while back when I played WoW under Linux. The pointer would flicker when the mouse was set to Hardware control, but was smooth as silk when I just changed it to "Software Mouse". I don't see any similar option under Eve though...
One other thing, since we have a dev cruising this forum. I ran across this article this morning about a WoW user who got summarilly banned from the game for running it under Linux with a Logitech keyboard. It's not entirely clear whether it was the keyboard or the Linux or some combination thereof (It's also suggested that Blizzard spyware^H^H^H^H^H^H anti-cheat software through up a red flag for not being able to see the normal windows environment.
Can we get a definitive statement from CCP that running Eve under Linux is not a bannable offense? Obviously, I don't expect CCP to support linux (though, it'd be really nice), actively banning it is another thing entirely...
Oveur who is the LEAD developer for CCP posted here with thoughts on linux, etc. If they had a problem with Cedega, I would think it would have happened right there. As it is, I've been testing EVE via cedega for several months, and along with the 'gang' down in the tech forum, we have been posting results and assisting each other with problems and have had no issues....well other than crashes right and left. lol.
Capsicum (gm) has even cleaned a couple linux threads and posted useful bits.
Now with 5.1.1 the only crashes are the ones I'm inducing on purpose with funky rez changes and such to stress test. EVE is running beautifully* under cedega at this point. I will also point out that at the fanfest the devs were asked about transgaming, and at that point they indicated they would be talking with them about getting eve working better.
The real gotcha regarding 3rd party stuff and getting banned is macroing. Cedega is just using another OS to play. bigggggg difference.
*by "beautifully" I mean stable. There still needs to be some rez change work done, as well as perhaps some tweaking with the windowed mode which loses more fps than it should (imho).
Another bug that hasn't been squashed is the invalid corp employment times, as well as the agression timer which indicate huge and incorrect numbers.......although the agression timer does work as it should. Its just not dispalying correctly. --these aren't show stoppers though, merely minor annoyances at this point.
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Fringey
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Fringey on 16/03/2006 11:07:56
After reaching the 'IE is more secure' comments I'm now assuming he's on MS's payroll, rather than being a troll.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:56:00 -
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Oveur's title is actually 'Producer', and Capsicum is a volunteer (not GM).
I've personally had bad experiences in the past (yes, several years ago) with a linux distro, and I can't see myself investing the effort to try it out again any time soon (especially given the bewildering array of choices and advocates for every distro) with the investment of software, experience and convenience I have in Windows, but if it's what you like to use, and Eve works for you, then I can't see that as anything other than positive (it's not like it affects my use of Windows negatively...).
I can't see that it's worth flaming *anyone* about their choice in operating system. You have to respect that there's plenty of issues with room for different views, and plenty of situations and preferences that differ from your own. There's also some good reasons why developers choose Windows and DirectX.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.03.16 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Fringey
Edited by: Fringey on 16/03/2006 11:07:56
After reaching the 'IE is more secure' comments I'm now assuming he's on MS's payroll, rather than being a troll.
You talking to me? Remmeber, friendly fire DOES happen (Joking!).
I'm not on ms payroll but I do wish I could be. I like MS software but you must understand that they cannot do everything but in admins point of view, centralized control is far more better in windows world than in linux world.
Unnerf Amarr!!
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Rose Kolodny
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Posted - 2006.03.16 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy
There's also some good reasons why developers choose Windows and DirectX.
As many good reasons why developers should provide a Linux client.
Give me the code, I'll do it for you for free... :P.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.03.16 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rose Kolodny
Originally by: Redundancy
There's also some good reasons why developers choose Windows and DirectX.
As many good reasons why developers should provide a Linux client.
actually, no
this has nothing to do with wich OS is best, it's just statistics plain and simple.
if you are a game developer that wants his product to be used by as many ppl as possible while still being cost effective, and 1 OS has a market share of like +90%, then developing for any OS other then the biggest will automatically be a lower priority
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.03.16 21:20:00 -
[91]
Ive got a few bugs in mine. like I cant move the window once I put eve in windowed mode and I can minimize it
That 1% was enough - Wrangler |
Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:45:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Rasitiln
Ive got a few bugs in mine. like I cant move the window once I put eve in windowed mode and I can minimize it
Easy fix. If you are running from the gui, you need to go properties and uncheck "DXGRAB". That is what is forcing the mouse to stay within the dx window boundary.
From the command line I'm not sure, but the cedega wiki should have the command line options available.
"No power in the 'verse can stop us now!" |
Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:52:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Redundancy
Oveur's title is actually 'Senior Producer', and Capsicum is a volunteer (not GM).
I've personally had bad experiences in the past (yes, several years ago) with a linux distro, and I can't see myself investing the effort to try it out again any time soon (especially given the bewildering array of choices and advocates for every distro) with the investment of software, experience and convenience I have in Windows, but if it's what you like to use, and Eve works for you, then I can't see that as anything other than positive (it's not like it affects my use of Windows negatively...).
I can't see that it's worth flaming *anyone* about their choice in operating system. You have to respect that there's plenty of issues with room for different views, and plenty of situations and preferences that differ from your own. There's also some good reasons why developers choose Windows and DirectX.
You know how these things go.......hurrying to finish post and run out the door...........I thank you for the corrections regarding "titles".
As for investing............you really need to check out linux's coolest feature....its called the "live disk". You download and burn the iso to a cd. Then you boot it. It loads the entire OS (fully operation, not just a demo) just as if it were on the hard drive, and you can use it, play to your heart's content, and NEVER touch your existing setup. There are live discs for just about all of the distros out there, so I'll point to:
Distrowatch
This is the best place to start when checking out information on any of the distributions currently out in the wild.
Linux also now has quite a following in the usb- keychain drive area as well. The OS is loaded on the portable drive, and then you can take it (including your personalized settings, files, etc.) anywhere.
You tried several years ago........you're missin' out Redundancy. ;)
"No power in the 'verse can stop us now!" |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:55:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Redundancy
(especially given the bewildering array of choices and advocates for every distro
Debian.
Enough said. You can thank me later.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:11:00 -
[95]
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Redundancy
(especially given the bewildering array of choices and advocates for every distro
Gentoo.
Enough said. You can thank me later.
There I fixed it for you w0rmy you accidently put debian
That 1% was enough - Wrangler |
Kool Milds
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:18:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: Redundancy
Oveur's title is actually 'Senior Producer', and Capsicum is a volunteer (not GM).
I've personally had bad experiences in the past (yes, several years ago) with a linux distro, and I can't see myself investing the effort to try it out again any time soon (especially given the bewildering array of choices and advocates for every distro) with the investment of software, experience and convenience I have in Windows, but if it's what you like to use, and Eve works for you, then I can't see that as anything other than positive (it's not like it affects my use of Windows negatively...).
I can't see that it's worth flaming *anyone* about their choice in operating system. You have to respect that there's plenty of issues with room for different views, and plenty of situations and preferences that differ from your own. There's also some good reasons why developers choose Windows and DirectX.
You know how these things go.......hurrying to finish post and run out the door...........I thank you for the corrections regarding "titles".
As for investing............you really need to check out linux's coolest feature....its called the "live disk". You download and burn the iso to a cd. Then you boot it. It loads the entire OS (fully operation, not just a demo) just as if it were on the hard drive, and you can use it, play to your heart's content, and NEVER touch your existing setup. There are live discs for just about all of the distros out there, so I'll point to:
Distrowatch
This is the best place to start when checking out information on any of the distributions currently out in the wild.
Linux also now has quite a following in the usb- keychain drive area as well. The OS is loaded on the portable drive, and then you can take it (including your personalized settings, files, etc.) anywhere.
You tried several years ago........you're missin' out Redundancy. ;)
USB>Pendrive>mozilla>Files>life
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:31:00 -
[97]
Linkage fixed.
USB Pen drive link
"No power in the 'verse can stop us now!" |
David Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:39:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Kuolematon
I'm not on ms payroll but I do wish I could be. I like MS software but you must understand that they cannot do everything but in admins point of view, centralized control is far more better in windows world than in linux world.
I take it you've never admin'd a linux cluster... The range of things you can do in Linux is quite impressive. Because of that bewildering array of choices that so many people don't seem to like, the system is incredibly flexible...
However, by far, the coolest central control system was a Sun system I ran once awhile back. Central server with thin X-clients. Used smart cards to authenticate. Plug your smart card in and there's your desktop session, running the same apps, anything, no matter which box you plugged your smartcard into... take your card out, it vanishes, plug it in somewhere else and everything is there...
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David Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:45:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Sevarus James
As for investing............you really need to check out linux's coolest feature....its called the "live disk". You download and burn the iso to a cd. Then you boot it. It loads the entire OS (fully operational, not just a demo) just as if it were on the hard drive, and you can use it, play to your heart's content, and NEVER touch your existing setup. There are live discs for just about all of the distros out there, so I'll point to:
Distrowatch
This is the best place to start when checking out information on any of the distributions currently out in the wild.
Indeed, live cd's are really nice. I always keep a Knoppix CD handy. It's just a great systems swiss army knife.
The only downside is speed. Systems that run off a CD-ROM are SLOW.... because, well, CD-ROMs are SLOW... Just be sure to understand the speed isn't like that on a normal install...
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:03:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Kahor
Originally by: Evod
Now if I can just get Eve to run on OSX, all will be right with the world.
QFT, is anything going on for that ? :)
No, and it's been asked for many, many times, so please don't start it up again. :)
And Avon: no. :)
Hmm, can I then run linux on my dual core with intel ship mac, then run Eve from there ?
If yes, how ? :)
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:56:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Sevarus James on 20/03/2006 10:59:39
Edited by: Sevarus James on 20/03/2006 10:57:10
Not sure, but did you mean "Mac" as in apple???? If not:
Check this site for linux high end hardware testing and review:
Phoronix
As for running linux, hell yes. As for EVE inside. You want a distro that has a recent kernel, and hardware, the concensus for linux is that Nvidia right now has the decided advantage with their driver support.
Cedega (either CVS for free, or Cedega (non-free) for the application interface to run EVE.
Cedega Web Site
As a side note, I'm currently building out an x2 3800 rig with dual (SLI) 7800GTX Nvidia, 2 gig ram (corsair), dual sata drives. This will run linux (ubuntu 6.04 Dapper Drake), cedega, and EVE. I'll be posting info in the Tech forum as this gets rolling.
If you did mean "mac", there will be hoops, but if you're going to load linx on it, then it should work with some tweaking. (There are initial reports that linux is successfully running on the macintel platform).
"Ubuntu 5.10 cedega 5.1.1 and EVE= happy camper" |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:40:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Rasitiln
There I fixed it for you w0rmy you accidently put debian
apt > emerge
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:45:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/03/2006 11:46:06
We have two main computer systems at my school--a Linux system run by the students, and a Windows system run by the paid sysadmins.
The Windows machines constantly have problems, quite often are missing the programs needed (as under Linux, you can have a 25-license program accessible on every machine through AFS and limit the number of clients to 25, but on Windows, you just can only install it on 25 machines to begin with...). They're slow, they take 4 minutes to boot up, yet they're exactly the same machines as used in the Linux system. They're unreliable, and the whole system seems like it was tossed together... even though its a top-end Novell setup.
The Linux system actually was tossed together, but works like a charm. Time from login to ready-to-work is about 3 seconds, and it has basically every program imaginable one could need. And it has 50 times the disk space per account
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.20 14:07:00 -
[104]
I work at IBM in support of some monster clients. Guess which platforms we have to deal with issues on the most? We support Linux, AIX, Solaris, Windows (server flavors from NT thru 2003).
It ain't the first three choices that are 90% of the issues. On the desktop, IBM's licensing agreement with Microsoft has ended, and IBM has unofficially indicated that it will be Red Hat with IBM workplace solution instead of Vista for company use. (wooooot!)
A lot of businesses are going to really have some decisions to make when it comes time to upgrade again, as Vista's hardware requirements are going to force a lot of IT admin's hands. The requiements, at this point are just to steep to justify an upgrade.
Most gamer's are going to be in a similar predicament as well. DX10 will NOT work with the current generation of video cards. They are putting dx9 compatibility into Vista, but in order to play ANYTHING on DX10, you're gonna have to fork over for yet another upgrade on the hardware side...and for those of us who just recently shelled out the big bucks for the latest nvidia/ati cards....ouch.
"Ubuntu 5.10 cedega 5.1.1 and EVE= happy camper" |
adhoc
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Posted - 2006.03.20 14:11:00 -
[105]
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1247584/0/nouser_1247/T0_-1_1247584.jpg ;) |
rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.20 15:15:00 -
[106]
Take the windows/linux discussion elsewhere, mkay ? Doesn't belong here.
I have issues getting EVE to run in cedega, one thing is I can't move/minimize the EVE window. Turning off dxgrab didn't help. Any good pointers to websites/forums that have some more info on EVE and cedega ? The transgaming site is very unclear when it comes to this imo :(
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Cadadon
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Posted - 2006.03.20 15:28:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Cadadon on 20/03/2006 15:28:36
Originally by: rig0r
Take the windows/linux discussion elsewhere, mkay ? Doesn't belong here.
I have issues getting EVE to run in cedega, one thing is I can't move/minimize the EVE window. Turning off dxgrab didn't help. Any good pointers to websites/forums that have some more info on EVE and cedega ? The transgaming site is very unclear when it comes to this imo :(
I just booted up EVE and put it in windowed mode. Can't test moving the window because this monitor only goes up to 1024*768, i'll test that in a bit. As far as minimising goes, it works fine, minimises, and restores fine.
Cedega Profile:
General
Graphics
Hope this helps :)
Cad
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Aeon Valerii
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Posted - 2006.03.20 15:42:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Evod
Now if I can just get Eve to run on OSX, all will be right with the world.
The day this happens my PC is flying out.
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar. |
Zeno Kang
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Posted - 2006.03.20 15:53:00 -
[109]
Hello.
I'm Joe User. I formerly used Macs from System 6 and System 7, but I made the switch to Windows 95 when I wanted to use my computer for gaming.
As a hobbyist and builder of AMD & Windows machines, life's been good for me. Windows XP is "good enough" (despite its bugs and security flaws) for most of us Joe User types, but I believe that the gotchas coming in Windows Vista will be severe enough for me to switch to another OS.
OSX looks dead sexy, and the Macintel machines have thier siren's call.
I installed Ubuntu "Breezy Badger" on a friend's laptop, and I'm impressed by the results. I may do the same to my own desktop machine, or at least set up a dual booting machine with Win XP.
I know that XP's days are numbered. I'm just at the bottom of the learning curve when it comes to Linux right now. Most of my time in front of the computer at home is in front of Eve, so the OS really isn't important to me as long as it's stable, at this time.
I'm all for Eve working under Linux. I'd even pay CCP another $20 for a dedicated Linux client, although I know they've said over and over that they're not doing one.
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.20 16:02:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Cadadon
Edited by: Cadadon on 20/03/2006 15:28:36
Originally by: rig0r
Take the windows/linux discussion elsewhere, mkay ? Doesn't belong here.
I have issues getting EVE to run in cedega, one thing is I can't move/minimize the EVE window. Turning off dxgrab didn't help. Any good pointers to websites/forums that have some more info on EVE and cedega ? The transgaming site is very unclear when it comes to this imo :(
I just booted up EVE and put it in windowed mode. Can't test moving the window because this monitor only goes up to 1024*768, i'll test that in a bit. As far as minimising goes, it works fine, minimises, and restores fine.
Cedega Profile:
General
Graphics
Hope this helps :)
Cad
Thanks m8, I'll have another go at it tonight.
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.03.20 18:13:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Sevarus James
Edited by: Sevarus James on 20/03/2006 10:59:39
Edited by: Sevarus James on 20/03/2006 10:57:10
Not sure, but did you mean "Mac" as in apple???? If not:
Check this site for linux high end hardware testing and review:
Phoronix
As for running linux, hell yes. As for EVE inside. You want a distro that has a recent kernel, and hardware, the concensus for linux is that Nvidia right now has the decided advantage with their driver support.
Cedega (either CVS for free, or Cedega (non-free) for the application interface to run EVE.
Cedega Web Site
As a side note, I'm currently building out an x2 3800 rig with dual (SLI) 7800GTX Nvidia, 2 gig ram (corsair), dual sata drives. This will run linux (ubuntu 6.04 Dapper Drake), cedega, and EVE. I'll be posting info in the Tech forum as this gets rolling.
If you did mean "mac", there will be hoops, but if you're going to load linx on it, then it should work with some tweaking. (There are initial reports that linux is successfully running on the macintel platform).
I meant mac as in MacIntel, the new apple computer with an intel ship (http://www.apple.com/imac/) (dual core etc...)
I was thinking of emuling linux (or running it on another partition) then playing eve online on it, but I am not THAT good with computer to do that without a guide or something.
I await your income :)
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Trek
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:09:00 -
[112]
Well, I've been working on getting the CVS version of cedega to work on my system for a couple of days now but still no go... I get the splash-screen which dissapears after a few seconds meanwhile the console spits out loads of direct draw debug info... If someone has any hints I would gladly appriciate the help!
However I downloaded the time limited trial of transgamings cedega version and that works ok-ish. However it is an old version and still has problems with crashing at Minmatar gates, witch kind of sucks since I mostly hang in minmatar space.
I am considering paying for it, since it is not very expensive really, but I do have a question to anyone who already pays for it; If I pay the $15 for three months, can I continue to use the program after that, or is there some kind of licence system where I have to keep on paying monthly to be able to use cedega? I don't seem to be able to find any real info about that on the web page...
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My other ship is a Reaper
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:55:00 -
[113]
No, you can unsubscribe whenever you want, cedega will continue working. You won't be able to download new versions though.
EVE runs ok for me now in full screen mode, in windowed mode I am still unable to move or minimize. Maybe this has something to do with twinview. One issue that remains is that the mousecursor seems a little 'flashy'.
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Cadadon
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:18:00 -
[114]
Yeah, my mouse flickers a little bit on both linux machines here. Slight annoyance, but nothing that'll make me boot up windows to play EVE. Not sure about the twinview thing, maybe try disabling it for a bit?
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:48:00 -
[115]
Edited by: rig0r on 20/03/2006 20:51:36
Just tried, no difference. /emote scratches head.
I am able to resize the window, but minimizing or moving doesn't work. I have EVE set to 1024x768 windowed mode. Using gnome/metacity @ 1600x1200. Xorg with nvidia driver.
Edit: on the logon screen, do you see the windowmanagers window around it ? Or just the plain EVE logon screen ?
I also tried setting the config to 'unmanaged'. I am able to move the window then, but cannot type anything as if EVE doesn't have focus.
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Cadadon
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:02:00 -
[116]
Yeah, I have the windowmanagers window around it at all times (unless fullscreen obviously). Sounds strange, what distro and desktop are you using?
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Trek
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:06:00 -
[117]
Thanks rig0r for the info about the subscription, I think I will buy it then!
I also have the same problems with moving the windows, also using nvidia and twinview. Unable to move if managed and no input if unmanaged. No frame around any of the windows here. But I can move the windows by using bbpager (I run blackbox) and I can also move it by assigning keyboard shortcuts to move window left/right etc.
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My other ship is a Reaper
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:23:00 -
[118]
If this is true... I will surely be home again. I just hope it doesn't have random crashes in 0.0 or it gets the hose again.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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thesulei
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Posted - 2006.03.21 00:17:00 -
[119]
I installed Ubuntu this week and just now took out a subscription for Cedega, installed EVE and got playing...
The only thing I had to do out of the ordinary was disable vertex shading in cedega config. Apart from that it's awesome!
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Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2006.03.21 00:42:00 -
[120]
I think I'm doing something wrong. I get Cedega 5.1.1 up and running. I hit install, select EVE_3900.exe and hit install. I get through the user agreement, ect and into the staller. It starts installing and dies 74% through FaceRes.stuff (Face something file). I've downloaded the installer twice and it dies int eh same exact place each time.
For those of you that have eve working how did you install it? :)
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Cadadon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 00:55:00 -
[121]
Not sure if this is a way to fix that, but there is an option (when you're selecting the file to install) called 'Big EXE'. Try checking that and installing.
Other than that, it sounds like you're doing exactly what I did.
Cad
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Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2006.03.21 01:32:00 -
[122]
Tried that.. didn't work. I ended up installing it on my windows machine to a fresh directory then copying it over via samba to my linux box.
Runs fine now.. except one thing. When I run it in windowed mode I have no window boarder. If I toggle the windowed feature in the cedega prefs I can't get focus and typing my password into the login screen is impossible.
Wierd.
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Airpizza II
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Posted - 2006.03.21 01:46:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Larshus Magrus
I think I'm doing something wrong. I get Cedega 5.1.1 up and running. I hit install, select EVE_3900.exe and hit install. I get through the user agreement, ect and into the staller. It starts installing and dies 74% through FaceRes.stuff (Face something file). I've downloaded the installer twice and it dies int eh same exact place each time.
For those of you that have eve working how did you install it? :)
I find installers work much better using Wine instead of Cedega. Might wana check it out.
http://winehq.org
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.21 02:01:00 -
[124]
I personally have installed EVE with wine .9.8, .9.9, and 9.10, and they all install the game flawlessly....they just can't run the game. lol.
I also installed EVE with cedega's installer and it slugged out during resface stuff, but I let it rip, and it eventually finished. If you use an older version of EVE, please bear in mind that although patching appears to hang at the end......it did/does complete successfully.
One thing to keep in mind is that there are still a few issues with EVE under Cedega, but at this point no show stoppers. I've run EVE for 5+ hours on multiple occasions now with travel, gates, chat, market, and npc hunting during the session, and had absolutely no out of the ordinary issues. Lag is still there in high traffic areas (not as much as pre yarrrrrdware), but no different than what is experienced on the native windows side.The graphics and response is no different at this point to the windows installed counterpart from my benchmarking.
If any of you are running into cedega issues, and aren't paying customers, please hit our tech forum thread down below, and I'll make sure to pass those issues along to the transgaming bug submittal section.
Transgaming is more than just aware of EVE. Gavriel States, who is one of the lead Transgaming folks, personally responded to me in the forums regarding EVE, and the recent fixes they implemented. Our thread is one of the largest in the transgaming forums outstripping many other complete subsections, and visible support from Transgaming is a good indicator of continued support going forward.
"Ubuntu 5.10 cedega 5.1.1 and EVE= happy camper" |
rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.21 09:57:00 -
[125]
Edited by: rig0r on 21/03/2006 09:58:47
I had issues with the EVE installer under Cedega as well. Got an error while extracting resMusic.stuff. I ended up copying my windows EVE dir, and fixing permissions. That worked.
At the moment I can get it to run. I can move/resize the window by using keyboard shortcuts.
Remaining issues:
- in window mode, performance is not that good. I get around 30fps in space (no station or other object around), while in windows I get twice the fps. I have an nvidia 7800GTX. Any ideas to tweak this ?
- fullscreen works OK, but I prefer to play in windowed mode so I can have a browser and some other stuff open at the same time. I get very decent FPS, a little less compared to windows.
- switching from fullscreen to windowed mode using alt+enter causes a CTD
- the mouse cursor is sometimes difficult to see if you move it around
- i can't seem to find a way to enable V-sync
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Trek
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:43:00 -
[126]
To those of you having problems installing Eve using Cedega, I had some difficulties too but found out why. For some reason cedega (unlike wine) installs everything to /tmp first and then copies it to the install directory. If you like me have a /tmp partition sized like 1GB or a root partition about the same size you will run into problem somewhere around the place I read others were having problems.
An easy qick-fix is to make a directory on an other partition where you have plenty of space and run:
mount --bind /other/dir /tmp
install the game and then umount /tmp again.
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My other ship is a Reaper
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:10:00 -
[127]
Oh that's excellent! Thanks for that info. I'm going to post that over in the transgaming forums. Excellent catch Trek!
"Ubuntu 5.10 cedega 5.1.1 and EVE= happy camper" |
rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:37:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Sevarus James
Oh that's excellent! Thanks for that info. I'm going to post that over in the transgaming forums. Excellent catch Trek!
Do you have a link to this forum ? I'm a paying customer but am having a hard time finding info on EVE on the transgaming forums.
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Cadadon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:09:00 -
[129]
Trangaming Forum - EVE Thread
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Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:07:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Trek
To those of you having problems installing Eve using Cedega, I had some difficulties too but found out why. For some reason cedega (unlike wine) installs everything to /tmp first and then copies it to the install directory. If you like me have a /tmp partition sized like 1GB or a root partition about the same size you will run into problem somewhere around the place I read others were having problems.
An easy qick-fix is to make a directory on an other partition where you have plenty of space and run:
mount --bind /other/dir /tmp
install the game and then umount /tmp again.
That would explain it. I have tmp mounted as a tmpfs in ram as a regrowable fs so it automagically gets wiped between sessions (Its also auto-encrypted). I was wondering why the hell mem useage was shooting up astronomically high on the install.
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Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:14:00 -
[131]
Ok I only have 2 real issues now.
1) Windowed performance is MUCH slower than full screen. I have an old nv 4600 ti in my linux box and at 1600x1200 i get 50+ fps in fullscreen and sucky (10-20) in a windowed 1024x768. What gives?
2) In xfce I can't get any window boarder. In Gnome If I select managed window I get a window boarder but I can't click and drag the window around. If I select non managed window in Gnome I can click and drag around the login screen (where you type password) via eve's native top bar on the login window but I cant get focus on that window so I cant type my password. I see the password appearing on any window thats beneath the eve window if that makes any sense :)
I, like others, really would like to use eve in windowed mode. Most appealing is switching training while at work (All linux/unix here.. no windows machines for security reasons) and for trading/chatting. ?If I was npcing or somethingI'd switch to full screen.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:15:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Larshus Magrus
1) Windowed performance is MUCH slower than full screen.
surely that's expected behaviour, upto a point?
no skills, just luck.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:22:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Sevarus James on 21/03/2006 14:23:09
Originally by: rig0r
Originally by: Sevarus James
Oh that's excellent! Thanks for that info. I'm going to post that over in the transgaming forums. Excellent catch Trek!
Do you have a link to this forum ? I'm a paying customer but am having a hard time finding info on EVE on the transgaming forums.
Here is the main transgaming EVE thread:
EVE thread - Transgaming
23+ pages long. good info throughout, but the last several pages are more pertinent to the installation 'now'.
edit- sorry Cadadon, didn't see you link it earlier.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:00:00 -
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I read something in that thread that they were going to make a seperate EVE-Online forum.
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Taevin
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
The driver question has always been more of perception rather than reality. With linux, you can download a "live" image of most distributions (called distros) to actually try out the system before installing anything. The live cd of the OS boots and sets up in ram as a complete OS. If you have 'issues', this is an easy way to discover them.
As for drivers, most modern linux distros are more complete than XP is. An example of that would be the time test I did on an XP instsall vs. a Ubuntu install on a dual boot system I built recently.
100% working with all driver support, the ubuntu linux system took 1.5 hours. The same install of XP on the SAME system required over three hours. I have to add that the ubuntu system also updated (fixes and such) ALL of the applications as well as the operating system.
There will ALWAYS be driver issues with some PC's. This isn't a windows OR linux issue, this is a component and vendor support issue.
Oh, and here's a quick cap of my "not ready for prime time" desktop running EVE in a 1280x1076 window with other applications running. (My native resolution is 1900x 1200 with an acer 24" widescreen monitor.)
Eve Desktop
That's a streaming radio station running upper right. Lower right notice multiple virtual desktop capability. Also mplayer is running 'Eve Never fades'.
This prior to the new 5.1.1 release of Cedega wasn't possible.
I'm still waiting for the EVE client to download on my Gentoo box and I'm looking for things to do... I have a Dell 24" widescreen monitor and I've never been able to get it to run at anything higher than 1600x1200 in Linux (native resolution is 1920x1200). How did you get yours to work? If it just worked for you, what distro are you using? Otherwise could you point me to some resources that might help me figure it out?
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.21 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Taevin
I'm still waiting for the EVE client to download on my Gentoo box and I'm looking for things to do... I have a Dell 24" widescreen monitor and I've never been able to get it to run at anything higher than 1600x1200 in Linux (native resolution is 1920x1200). How did you get yours to work? If it just worked for you, what distro are you using? Otherwise could you point me to some resources that might help me figure it out?
Taevin, to get 1900x1200, your video card/system should be able to support it. The best place to get info on how to get that rez should be in the gentoo forums. Look for a subsection with your video card and then find the 'stickies'. Also, depending on brand of video, the NVNEWS (for nvidia cards) forum:
NV News
Rage3d (for ATI):
RAGE 3d
If your card supports that rez (and I suspect it does), the place to enable the settings necessary to get 1900x1200 will be in your xorg.conf file which is located in the /etc/X11 directory.
There ARE some issues for users with twinview getting things to display properly, but as I'm using the ACER 24" widescreen, I have my twinview commented out as I don't need it currently.
My distro of choice is ubuntu 5.10, but gentoo users have been reporting good success as well. I know there a few gentoo-heads here as well. Also the tech forum down below may have some info/links for you.
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Posted - 2006.03.22 15:01:00 -
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I got it to work with no problems at all... just had to use the modeline from 'gtf 1920 1200 60'  I had done this before but it didn't work. Moving to 64-bit Linux seems to have solved a lot of my other problems (*MASSIVE* CPU timing issues with the cores on my Opteron 175). This is why I love Linux. Just a couple months ago 64-bit Linux was somewhat unstable and unpolished. Now it works better than plain ol' 32-bit x86
'Course the only problem is I'm using Gentoo so moving to a new architecture means recompiling *everything*. Almost done though (posting from it right now) and hopefully the move will also fix my Cedega/EVE problems (probably caused by the timing issue).
Thanks Sevarus!
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