Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Ray McCormack
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 11:38:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Dark Shikari Curse Alliance and Fountain would have beaten it, but both are gone now.
Don't wanna change this thread into a debate on my Alliance's survival, just wanted to mention we're still around.
The answer is Stain Empire.
Stain Alliance was one of the first to grab a piece of the 0.0 pie soon after retail. When the in-game alliance support was added to the game, Stain Empire was born. It was the old SA, just done under a different name. We know how they love their names down there. Now it's undergone some radical changes, but it's still theoretically that same old alliance.
| The BIG Lottery | BIG Sales | 851369 | |
Grimpak
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 11:47:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Grimpak on 15/03/2006 11:47:36 only alliance that remains the same since his inception (that I know of) is 3FA (waaay back when there was still a CFS and even an NVA afaik).
NORAD, altho CHON remains there, it's not the same like it was in the begining.
SA is not the same that it was before.
don't know of any other "ancient" alliance that survived till this day (xcept UK and CVA). ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
|
Kunming
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 11:55:00 -
[33]
I was about to say SA, but then again someone reminded us of CVA. SO I would say CVA was first then SA after that FA and CA was founded.
Who's still on the scene? CVA definetly is; SA is still there same region, same people, slight change in name and politics; FA are still around and building their T2 stuff, but they are merely a shadow of what used to be FA and lived in Fountain region..
It's all a game in the end, alliances come and go, older doesnt mean stronger, we see young alliances achive great things, so no one can claim to be the best cause they are the oldest still around.
|
Jonathan Davis
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 12:00:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Randay What were the corporations that made up CVA when they formed?
iirc It was Imperial Dreams, PIE Inc & Dark Seraph...
Imperial Dreams is the only founder corp remaining in CVA although we do maintain close ties and working relationship with PIE...
Pie left the CVA??? Why'd they go and do a thing like that?
|
Majaraw Awalabas
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 12:25:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Jonathan Davis
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Randay What were the corporations that made up CVA when they formed?
iirc It was Imperial Dreams, PIE Inc & Dark Seraph...
Imperial Dreams is the only founder corp remaining in CVA although we do maintain close ties and working relationship with PIE...
Pie left the CVA??? Why'd they go and do a thing like that?
PIE has no interest in 0.0. CVA does.
|
Le Cardinal
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 12:32:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 15/03/2006 11:47:36 only alliance that remains the same since his inception (that I know of) is 3FA (waaay back when there was still a CFS and even an NVA afaik).
NORAD, altho CHON remains there, it's not the same like it was in the begining.
SA is not the same that it was before.
don't know of any other "ancient" alliance that survived till this day (xcept UK and CVA).
Gotta agree with you there. 3FA is definately amongst the oldest living alliances out there. With LFC still as executors.
I think its fair to say that every "old" alliance in the game has gone through drastic changes. So none of them are its old self. SA, NORAD, 3FA etc. Afaik all of them are still in their old playground. |
Shivaja
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 12:51:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 15/03/2006 11:47:36 only alliance that remains the same since his inception
NORAD, altho CHON remains there, it's not the same like it was in the begining.
survived till this day (xcept UK and CVA).
Thats not true and u wrong there. NORAD these days got atlest 1/4 of original corporations some of them even the original founders like CHON, WAFFLES Inc. and JOSTDA Enterprises witch together with other Former corps returned shortly after rgrouping and regaining strenght in diferent pats of eve while CHON was holding our Ligh House against enemy forces so u can see we prety much same as before stronger yes, smarter yes, more experienced yes, but still NORAD with the same principles of fredom and democracy on whereat our Strenght is build
Shivaja CHON ceo NORAD Military Commander NORAD Kill Board
|
dalman
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 12:59:00 -
[38]
I'll leave it to others to judge whether alliances qualify after re-structuring. But MASS have had the same HQ all the time since the start.
As said, CVA was prolly the first alliance, but there might have been other 'empire alliances' as well.
As for 0.0 alliances, this kinda started after the first ore-relocation. The order for them to form was (iirc): * Stain Alliance * Fountain Alliance <- kinda fun someone from FA said they were first when they kinda used SA as a model. * Venal Alliance * Confederation of Free Stars * Curse Alliance <- kinda fun that ppl think they're much older, when in fact VA had already fallen and reformed as NVA (and later New New Venal Alliance (Or PA as some prefer to call it)) Though, on the other hand there were 3 very small alliances in the Curse region; Curse Coalition, Curse Alliance and a 3:rd (and these 3 didn't claim any space), but generally ppl referr to CA as the big alliance that was created much later.
There were also various small entities in the north (Empyrean Federation for example), but I'm very unsure about their names and if they actually tried to claim any 0.0 space.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
DB Preacher
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 13:06:00 -
[39]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 15/03/2006 13:06:24
Originally by: dalman I'll leave it to others to judge whether alliances qualify after re-structuring. But MASS have had the same HQ all the time since the start.
As said, CVA was prolly the first alliance, but there might have been other 'empire alliances' as well.
As for 0.0 alliances, this kinda started after the first ore-relocation. The order for them to form was (iirc): * Stain Alliance * Fountain Alliance <- kinda fun someone from FA said they were first when they kinda used SA as a model. * Venal Alliance * Confederation of Free Stars * Curse Alliance <- kinda fun that ppl think they're much older, when in fact VA had already fallen and reformed as NVA (and later New New Venal Alliance (Or PA as some prefer to call it)) Though, on the other hand there were 3 very small alliances in the Curse region; Curse Coalition, Curse Alliance and a 3:rd (and these 3 didn't claim any space), but generally ppl referr to CA as the big alliance that was created much later.
There were also various small entities in the north (Empyrean Federation for example), but I'm very unsure about their names and if they actually tried to claim any 0.0 space.
Wasn't really much in the north at all around that time.
Venal > NVA as stated. Biomass where owning most of the North East but they were a massive corp rather than an alliance (albiet they were an alliance of other pierat corps brought together in one corp).
The rest of the space was just filled with randoms. Everyone else appeared after the introduction of the player controlled stations.
I agree with Dalman as to the order of the creation of the alliances.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
|
R4d1o4ct1v3
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 13:30:00 -
[40]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 15/03/2006 13:32:25 People change their names all the time, does that mean they are different ppl?
Stain has never died/disbanded, therefore they are the oldest.
EDIT: Btw Stain Alliance was the first alliance, no matter what you might think of the current situation. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
|
qrac
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 13:37:00 -
[41]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 15/03/2006 13:32:25 People change their names all the time, does that mean they are different ppl?
Stain has never died/disbanded, therefore they are the oldest.
EDIT: Btw Stain Alliance was the first alliance, no matter what you might think of the current situation.
why don't you read the thread first? cva was the first alliance. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur! |
monkiboi
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 14:29:00 -
[42]
Originally by: dalman
To CFS on the other hand, this was their doom. Not only did the stations cause internal troubles, but more importantly the new jump gates opened up their space for the expansionistic FA.
IIRC FA owned the stations in Querious, Delve and Period Basis. A refining tax was in place at the stations used by CFS which was supposed go towards FA protecting CFS.
CA had loads of fun provoking the CFS leadership calling them FA lapdogs. There was one memorable saturday night when a CA gang of dual MWD ravens came down to TPAR-G and only left when they ran out of ammo.
This caused the CFS leadership to attempt to take the stations themselves on the basis that why pay FA for protection if CFS wasn't being protected. This started the FA/CFS war. The rest as they say is history. Didn't FIX start during the war claiming Querious as some of the founder corps were living there already?
I'm sure I have most of the details right but I've also succeded in draging the thraed off topic. Don't mind being corrected on any details I have wrong. Just because I was there when it all went wrong doesn't mean I was party to everything going on.
|
Raid
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 14:40:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Raid on 15/03/2006 14:41:36 SA is by far the oldest alliance. They never disbanded to make SE, the name was simply changed (without consulting anyone) when official alliances were allowed, then MASS remade SA and everyone from SE joined SA. Currently the original members of SA are still in the alliance.
In terms of oldest alliances by name theres (current existing alliances):
Stain Alliance Fountain Alliance Curse Coalition (around before CA but merged into Tyrell to join SA) Xetic (no ones left in the alliance though) Pheonix (formerly VA and then NVA) CVA (PIE was originally part of FA wasnt it?).
|
Gorthalion
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 14:47:00 -
[44]
FA ------------------------- Gorthalion [F-E] Forsaken Fleet Admiral [F-E]
|
R4d1o4ct1v3
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 14:50:00 -
[45]
Originally by: qrac
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 15/03/2006 13:32:25 People change their names all the time, does that mean they are different ppl?
Stain has never died/disbanded, therefore they are the oldest.
EDIT: Btw Stain Alliance was the first alliance, no matter what you might think of the current situation.
why don't you read the thread first? cva was the first alliance.
If that is said in this thread then.. well they lied.
SA IS the the oldest. This is not something I belive is true, I know it to be true. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
Eyeshadow
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 14:52:00 -
[46]
I think MC (and maybe BOB) is the only alliance that can claim it still has the exact same corp membership now as it did when it was first created (IGA i mean)
Thats gotta count for sommat right?
My Latest Vid (16/02/06) |
Raid
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 14:56:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Eyeshadow I think MC (and maybe BOB) is the only alliance that can claim it still has the exact same corp membership now as it did when it was first created (IGA i mean)
Thats gotta count for sommat right?
Neither alliance has been around as long as the ones mentioned above (nor have they have the number of member corporations). A lot can change in almost 3 years. A lot of the corps in SA were there in the beginning so i think they still qualify as the oldest to still exist.
|
R4d1o4ct1v3
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 14:56:00 -
[48]
Im pretty sure most Nations have had a change in leadership at some point during theyr history. Doesnt mean they'r not the same Nation. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
Lacrimae
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 16:29:00 -
[49]
I can't remember exactly when 3rd Front was formed, but I seem to recall our corp getting their first office in our home space around mid February 2004, so I am guessing it was early Feb 2004. I do however still remember *why* it was formed :)
Might have been earlier though as I just checked my first post on the 3FA forums - it's dated March 3rd 2004 and states 'you guys have been screaming for a forum for ages...' so uhm...
Someone give me a memory implant irl please? :P
Dead Stars Still Burn
|
Taz Devlin
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 16:31:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Crzycnck2 I would have to say FIX and here is why:
- SA disbanded and reformed into SE then SE split and SA was born again. - Curse alliance disbanded and Five was born as well as ASCN (at least I think ASCN came from the ashes of the Curse Alliance) - BoB formed after FIX as well as G, Iron and the rest of the northern alliances.
FIX is the only alliance (other than BoB) that have not disbanded since before RMR, cold war ect.
You got any clue about alliance history at all?
|
|
Shaemell Buttleson
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:00:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 15/03/2006 17:00:30 Have to agree with Lacrimae about 3FA. Might not technicly be the oldest alliance but it has stayed put in the same place and still has the same values and rules it started out with. Which to my mind is unlike any of the the other alliances past or present.
|
Pylse
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:04:00 -
[52]
CVA as the first alliance. Stain Alliance as the first to claim 0.0 space.
Guess you should rule Stain Alliance and Stain Empire under the same thing in this case, as quite frankly Stain Alliance turned into Stain Empire before people started leaving it. (If my memory serves me well)
|
Trakh Shardan
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:11:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Eyeshadow I think MC (and maybe BOB) is the only alliance that can claim it still has the exact same corp membership now as it did when it was first created (IGA i mean)
Thats gotta count for sommat right?
not rly true as m0o is no longer in bob as its gone
and yes MC never got any new corps have to agree whit U tho if U look at stain now we still have MASS R-I storm guard colective etc etc etc all corps where there from the start
|
Einheriar Ulrich
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:21:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 15/03/2006 17:26:47 Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 15/03/2006 17:22:30
Originally by: Pylse CVA as the first alliance. Stain Alliance as the first to claim 0.0 space.
Guess you should rule Stain Alliance and Stain Empire under the same thing in this case, as quite frankly Stain Alliance turned into Stain Empire before people started leaving it. (If my memory serves me well)
Not true, CVA was not there before FA and SA, since i fought both FA and SA in the first year, but did first fight CVA with Oracle after our first amarr enemy corp, joined[merged) with PIE INC.
At that time Oracle fought SA fleets in the Rogue Jovian genral accident(event) where general Ouria, engaged a SA fleet, with 15 stabbers from Oracle as wingmen. And i remember i had allready traded blows with FA at that time, since i would not pay for a pass into fountain. 14 days after the game went gold i remember i was ninja mining ark in venal, and meet alot of the corps that would later make the north their home, I instead went south with Oracle and helped found CA.
|
Hardin
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Raid
CVA (PIE was originally part of FA wasnt it?).
PIE was never part of the FA although some of our pilots did NPC there until FA was formed and the border went up.
I still have a Bestower and some other stuff rotting in a hanger in YZ-LQL for over 2 two and a half years - just never got round to collecting it.
I can still remember the forum rumpus when Xanadu and (I think Evolution) made the announcement of the formation of FA and listed all the corps who were included - leaving out many who then vented their outrage at being forced out but couldnt do a damn thing about it... --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
|
Einheriar Ulrich
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:25:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Raid
CVA (PIE was originally part of FA wasnt it?).
PIE was never part of the FA although some of our pilots did NPC there until FA was formed and the border went up.
I still have a Bestower and some other stuff rotting in a hanger in YZ-LQL for over 2 two and a half years - just never got round to collecting it.
I can still remember the forum rumpus when Xanadu and (I think Evolution) made the announcement of the formation of FA and listed all the corps who were included - leaving out many who then vented their outrage at being forced out but couldnt do a damn thing about it...
Yeahh Remember that too, some did not pay up, but shot back
|
Zubenelgenubi
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:37:00 -
[57]
Cool thread.
makes me proud to have called Stain my home for over a year and counting
|
Kyguard
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:53:00 -
[58]
I think FIX did come slightly after 3FA although I wasn't playing eve at the time but still forum whoring out of nostalgia.. memory is a bit fuzzy though.
Since its creation 3FA hasn't had any major changes at all, LFC is still the executor corp and we still kick major ass . While FA might be the oldest alliance in-game still, I would say that having their territory invaded and having most of the corps leave would count as a major change.
Same with the CVA, didn't the executor corp PIE leave the alliance?
-|-
Join LFC, become someone, become family. |
Hardin
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:58:00 -
[59]
PIE left the alliance but it was by mutual consent and not as a result of any war action. Also a number of PIE members (like me) stayed within the CVA - so it didn't have any major impact on CVA abilities. --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
|
Clipped Wings
|
Posted - 2006.03.15 18:42:00 -
[60]
Just to chime in, and to clarify a few things in regards of the uncertainty of 3rd Front Alliance.
3FA was concieved in january/february 2004, went live late february/early march 2004. I remember reading about CFS turning to UFS, and later the resulting FIX.
Not to steal any thunder from FIX, but we existed before you guys :)
That we've done so in relative quiet, and held our 2 year'ish birthday recently, without pretty much anyone noticing is another matter.
One difference is, between 3FA and most of the other old alliances, that we've never completely restructured, reformed, renamed or similar. We have been called dead a few times, of course...but then again, who haven't. And hand on the heart, apart form the now long-gone Catch22 alliance, we've never really been on the brink of death ;)
-Clipped Wings of LFC
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man."
~Willi |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |