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Machiavelli7	Posted - 2006.03.15 19:47:00 - [61] Originally by: Clipped Wings I remember reading about CFS turning to UFS, and later the resulting FIX. To clarify, FIX grew out of the independent Querious corps that existed from Genesis & Castor patches. The in-game alliance was formed very quickly after game mechanics allowed it, but we were already organised through the QDF for several months before that. This was always wholly seperate to CFS, and long before they changed their name to UFS (which incorporated other alliances such as Star and DSMA under that ill-fated banner). I wouldn't say FIX is the oldest alliance, but as I said, we've been co-operating down here 'in the FIX' (Querious used to be called JK-FIX, fact fiends) for well over 2 years now.
qrac	Posted - 2006.03.16 06:30:00 - [62] Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 If that is said in this thread then.. well they lied. SA IS the the oldest. This is not something I belive is true, I know it to be true. ok ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.03.16 06:41:00 - [63] As I said before, Stain Alliance != Stain- Alliance or STAIN ALLAINCE Unnerf Amarr!! "Save yourselves........sell out and NAP the 5" ¬ gfasobek
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:21:00 - [64] Originally by: Grissem Edited by: Grissem on 15/03/2006 10:54:05 This is an old map a corp mate found whilst clearing up his pc. I think before Josh used to do the maps Old Map Wow, how things have changed and yet some are still the same.....it might help you with some of your questions That map looks so much better with the handshakes and all.
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:31:00 - [65] BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA. I think the oldest alliance are those that in the main have stayed under ppl radar or have been tactical smart about the NAPs they have arranged NORAD and 3fa have been around much longer that BoB the Five, Imp and so on... SA have been allaince for a long time... but the new SA is not the same as the SA that became SE so for my 5 isk worth I'd say you gotta be looking at 3fa/NORAD and maybe FIX also FA have been around forever i think some PA guys would say they have a claim to that title... but PA currently are not really an allaince as such (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:35:00 - [66] Originally by: qrac Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 If that is said in this thread then.. well they lied. SA IS the the oldest. This is not something I belive is true, I know it to be true. ok the current SA is a splinter faction of SE that grew from the old SA after allainces were rattified after exodus 3fa have been around much much longer than that... (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:38:00 - [67] Edited by: eddie valvetino on 16/03/2006 13:39:11 Originally by: Clipped Wings Just to chime in, and to clarify a few things in regards of the uncertainty of 3rd Front Alliance. 3FA was concieved in january/february 2004, went live late february/early march 2004. I remember reading about CFS turning to UFS, and later the resulting FIX. Not to steal any thunder from FIX, but we existed before you guys :) That we've done so in relative quiet, and held our 2 year'ish birthday recently, without pretty much anyone noticing is another matter. One difference is, between 3FA and most of the other old alliances, that we've never completely restructured, reformed, renamed or similar. We have been called dead a few times, of course...but then again, who haven't. And hand on the heart, apart form the now long-gone Catch22 alliance, we've never really been on the brink of death ;) gotta say think clipped is right on that... 3fa have been around forever guys and as clipped pointed out also... have retained the same basic structure (to my knowledge) and retained the same piece of 0.0 though out that time. something nearly none of the "large" allainces have managed in fact it says alot about the unity and leadership of 3fa that they have managed this ps sorry about three posts back to back - prolly coulda done them all in one hit Eddie (lord n00binton of chester) valvetino (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
ZedLey	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:39:00 - [68] Originally by: eddie valvetino BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA.
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:42:00 - [69] Edited by: eddie valvetino on 16/03/2006 13:44:22 Originally by: ZedLey Originally by: eddie valvetino BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA. could have got that wrong... but weren't the five spawned of BoB and BoB spawned of CA? IMP certainly were and ATUK were BoB as Supr were ca as were Sinra... if i have my history wrong... i'm sorry. also.. but these little half ass allaince such as Five and BoB tend to drop below my radar (j/k got nothing but love for ya) anyway - time loses it's meaning throw all of this smoke (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
BlackRain	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:48:00 - [70] Originally by: eddie valvetino BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA. No. [5] was gradually born from the remnants of CA, after Supremacy's trip to Syndicate and JQA space with the early stage of Imperium Alliance ( VotF, RONA-KIA / -Vortex etc ). BoB, however, had nothing to do with CA. It was formed way before the formal IGA system, during the big brawl also known as the GNW. The main corporations fighting against PA first banded together under the name of CCP Alliance ( Cookies, Cake and Pie Alliance ), and after a slight hassle were forced to change the name into something else - Band of Brothers. BoB as an entity is actually quite old now. ------------------- -
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:50:00 - [71] Originally by: eddie valvetino the current SA is a splinter faction of SE that grew from the old SA after allainces were rattified after exodus 3fa have been around much much longer than that... The Stain Alliance (how ever the name has changed) has always been the Stain Alliance. I've been around it since I joined eve (over two years now) and at that time they had been operating for some time. The name has changed a couple of times and some corps have had disagreements but the Alliance never disbaned. And if I am not very much mistaken the same corps who lead SA in the begining are still leading them. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe
Kryztal	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:15:00 - [72] Originally by: Solwolf Originally by: Dark Shikari I think that FIX is the oldest of the 0.0 alliances that still exist. Curse Alliance and Fountain would have beaten it, but both are gone now. ... I may be wrong, but its amazing the, uh, turnover rate of alliances What do you mean Fountain Alliance is gone? Gone to empire ? I mean your existence isnt much tbh. But you try ill give you that. Black Nova Corp Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:21:00 - [73] Originally by: BlackRain Originally by: eddie valvetino BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA. No. [5] was gradually born from the remnants of CA, after Supremacy's trip to Syndicate and JQA space with the early stage of Imperium Alliance ( VotF, RONA-KIA / -Vortex etc ). BoB, however, had nothing to do with CA. It was formed way before the formal IGA system, during the big brawl also known as the GNW. The main corporations fighting against PA first banded together under the name of CCP Alliance ( Cookies, Cake and Pie Alliance ), and after a slight hassle were forced to change the name into something else - Band of Brothers. BoB as an entity is actually quite old now. i stand corrected - also on the SA issue too... but it is fact that the SA became the SE and then SA spilt from SE... i was there and saw it. Still imho we still have a clear winner.... 3fa as they were here to watch all of this happen (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:30:00 - [74] Originally by: eddie valvetino i stand corrected - also on the SA issue too... but it is fact that the SA became the SE and then SA spilt from SE... i was there and saw it. Still imho we still have a clear winner.... 3fa as they were here to watch all of this happen I wouldnt say SA split from SE, I alwasy thought of it the other way. Tho I understand why youd say that. And by the dates given on these here forums about the begining of 3fa (jun/feb 2004 I read somwhere) I must dissagree. I joined eve around that time and imitiedly joined SA, who then had been the SA for a while. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe
KIAHicks	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:47:00 - [75] Edited by: KIAHicks on 16/03/2006 14:52:19 Speaking from my experience of been in the VA/NVA/PA1 (not PA2 :P) VA was formed very early on in the game, KIA Joined the VA a few months into the game as our first real step into 0.0. Lots happened (see any venal history for the TTI/Space Invaders/Evolution saga which was really good fun :) a few corps left and a few new corps joined, in sufficient numbers that it was really a new alliance and thus became known as the NVA. The change from NVA -> PA however was pretty much nothing more than a name change, very few changes to the core alliance corps occurred. Lots more happened, the PA started to lose its way. Even more stuff happened, see videos/history on the Great northern war. As the northern war ended, even more corps moved on, after seeing how the PA was changing. The PA slowly changed into an abomonation and lost most if not all the core alliance corps which spread far and wide to many different alliances. Leaving what is now the PA2 and really its a travasty that they're allowed to continue using the name. The original PA were proud to be a new alliance and seperated themselves from the original VA with a new name, it seems though that the current PA are incapable of making a name for themselves and have to carry on living off the legacy of the former alliance. So to summerise VA old alliance lasted quite a while but eventually broke up and was reformed into the NVA. NVA renamed to PA but still same alliance. PA lost its way and became the PA we now know (PA2? :) which is the original PA in name alone, they're no where near the same alliance as the original PA (eg the renamed NVA). Follow? Clear as mud? Ok good :) Flame away Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2006.03.16 15:23:00 - [76] Stain Alliance, how it came to be as it is: SA was formed very soon after retail by MASS & co Known as Stain Alliance for 1.5 years or so untill CCP allowed in-game alliances in december of 2004, SA renamed to Stain Empire, much to the displeasure of many, not so to others. MASS left SE with the message "going on a roadtrip, keep my seat warm while I'm away" This was agreed to by all in SE. Other SE corps followed MASS to find new adventures. SE asked these travellers to come home and help put things right again. Some agreed, some decided to stay out just a little longer. ALOT of new corps had been accepted into SE during this time, many of which I simply cannot remember the name of. After a good roadtrip and carebear session, many old SA corps wanted to go back home, resurrect the old name clean up Stan region and make SA what it used to be. Unfortunatly, this transition wasn't handled the best way, so some felt theyr toes where being stepped on. SA and SE start a civil war. So basically, Stain Alliance & Empire are the same entity, it just so happens we don't seem to get along. I was in Stain Alliance in 2004, and I am still in Stain Alliance in 2006. And to be perfectly honest, arguing about what it has been called during the years, isn't going to change that fact.
Garia666	Posted - 2006.03.16 15:26:00 - [77] stain was formed before the rest even got the skilz. It was the first alliance ADGA Website
Moncada	Posted - 2006.03.16 15:37:00 - [78] Nothing to add on the topic except that the alliances of eve rule :p I played as a soldier for SA for a very long time and saw the best/worst of the alliances at that time but the alliances that havent been assaulted and killed are the ones that are worthy to remain. With the introduction of the tech2 monopoly of some of the alliances in game I doubt very much that there will be any more "great" collapses in the near future as all the alliances are nearly self substaining. It was a blast to be part of a alliance and I recommend it all to everyone that isnt. The alliances are the greatest that eve have to offer at the moment because of the huge tasks that they have to undertake to ensure survival. The military part that gets spammed so often here really isnt the pinnacle of the alliances as the willpower and planning sides of them are the greatest. It just culminates in the conflicts that we see today and the consquences of them tend to be earth shattering to many of the 0.0 inhabitans. The logistical side of a alliance tend to be the most impressive from my viewpoint. All thoose people ready to risk millions of isk by busting through gate camps and transporting through hostile space are heroes aswell as the gun totting maniacs that all alliances love and cherish :p Keep up the good work all you veld loving, gate hugging, complex running and murderous bastards I will hopefully move to a place with a more internet friendly connection soon and rejoin the 0.0 of eve again. Just don't go turning dull on me now Oh how I wish that the moral wars and political agitators where back on the forums and spewing out propaganda. Even though we all hated them, we all loved them in some way. This part of the forums has become a bit dull now that everyone just points their gun at someone and says "Nice land, we¦ll take it" instead of the intrigues that we used to have on this part of the board before. Anyway, Im ranting. Time to go look for some evil Piwates to kill Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.03.16 17:10:00 - [79] map from the the days of old FE (corp) were wacking fade, and CA/C4 had SA on its knees
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.16 17:38:00 - [80] Originally by: Spartan239 map from the the days of old FE (corp) were wacking fade, and CA/C4 had SA on its knees Not really. But they were close to achieve exactly what G/IRON did (the split into SA<->Tribal). Because the SA had exactly the same issues back then, and that tribal split off to a new alliance was really a good thing. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
TornSoul	Posted - 2006.03.16 17:57:00 - [81] Quote: Session Start: Fri Aug 01 22:00:19 2003 Session Ident: #FA-Council [21:59] * Now talking in #FA-Council Thats the beginning of the first FA-Council meeting log on IRC. It's the oldest log I have anyhow Needless to say the alliance had been operating a bit before getting 'organized' enough to actually have a council meeting. So sometime middle of july-2003 would be the birth date of the FA. BIG Lottery [u
Revolution	Posted - 2006.03.16 18:34:00 - [82] sa were formed the day after the ore relocation from empire to 0.0, va was formed shortly after this, followed by FA, followed by CA a few months later. this is how i remember events being hevily involved with the game at that stage
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.16 18:38:00 - [83] Originally by: Spartan239 map from the the days of old FE (corp) were wacking fade, and CA/C4 had SA on its knees that were the moments before the GNW started
Lorth	Posted - 2006.03.16 19:02:00 - [84] Well this is a hard question to answer, but i'll try my best to explian the situation of some commonly mentioned alliences. NORAD: Well I personally wouldn't count them. There was a time when they were honestly good and dead. 1 corp, with 60 member who controll no space isn't an allience. Though CHON are great people and fought tooth and nail, I wouldn't put NORAD on the list because of this. FA: Well personally I view this allience as nothing more then a group of players who share a chat channel. No oranized reistance to a group living in space they formally controlled. And its been this way for a long time. An allience who can not organize enough to defend or contest space, and who lives in empire is a dead allience. Yes they have members, and some people roaming foutain, but gank squads are not evidence of a living organized allience. STAIN: Well I to tell you the truth I'm not sure where to put these guys. So I'll say this... Even though they have reformed, and hav had a few differant names over the last few years they may be the 'oldest allience.' That is assuming the same corps have stuck aound, and that its generally under the same leadership. Assuming that, and considering they were the first allience, then there's your winner. 3FA: And old allience. One that has remained about the same since it was formed. Same space, same corps, and same leaders, in general. If you don't count stain, then these guys are the oldest allience around thats still here.
Solwolf	Posted - 2006.03.16 19:21:00 - [85] Originally by: Lorth ... FA: Well personally I view this allience as nothing more then a group of players who share a chat channel. No oranized reistance to a group living in space they formally controlled. And its been this way for a long time. An allience who can not organize enough to defend or contest space, and who lives in empire is a dead allience. Yes they have members, and some people roaming foutain, but gank squads are not evidence of a living organized allience... I can understand why you believe this. However, we're in Fountain fighting against BOB and Xelas. Before that we were fighting against The Five. BOB and The Five are some of the best PVPer's in the game. Why don't you fight them and try to claim some of their space, then come back and tell me that we're not an alliance? Try to walk a mile in our shoes before you say stuff like this. The original poster asked who the oldest alliance is that hasn't reformed. Stain Alliance was around before FA, but they've reformed a few times. FA hasn't reformed, though most of the original corps have long left for greener pastures.
Borg017	Posted - 2006.03.17 03:59:00 - [86] Originally by: Kryztal Gone to empire ? I mean your existence isnt much tbh. But you try ill give you that. Naw, we still alive and in fountains.
Sextus Licinius	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:01:00 - [87] Cut it with SA, since it disbanded, became SE and back to SA its lost all is old alliance priviledges. To give u an example; if BoB would rename themselves to CA, that will win them the-never-die-old-alliance-crap? i think not... SA transformed in SE than some dude reverted it back to SA, so old SA is very much dead while the new SA are former SE. That makes SA one of the newest alliances on the scene. NORAD has always been there, the rest i don't know "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:38:00 - [88] Forsaken empire... the torch has just been passed alot BM-C is recruiting!
Shivaja	Posted - 2006.03.17 13:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Lorth Well this is a hard question to answer, but i'll try my best to explian the situation of some commonly mentioned alliences. NORAD: Well I personally wouldn't count them. There was a time when they were honestly good and dead. 1 corp, with 60 member who controll no space isn't an allience. Though CHON are great people and fought tooth and nail, I wouldn't put NORAD on the list because of this. FA: Well personally I view this allience as nothing more then a group of players who share a chat channel. No oranized reistance to a group living in space they formally controlled. And its been this way for a long time. An allience who can not organize enough to defend or contest space, and who lives in empire is a dead allience. Yes they have members, and some people roaming foutain, but gank squads are not evidence of a living organized allience. STAIN: Well I to tell you the truth I'm not sure where to put these guys. So I'll say this... Even though they have reformed, and hav had a few differant names over the last few years they may be the 'oldest allience.' That is assuming the same corps have stuck aound, and that its generally under the same leadership. Assuming that, and considering they were the first allience, then there's your winner. 3FA: And old allience. One that has remained about the same since it was formed. Same space, same corps, and same leaders, in general. If you don't count stain, then these guys are the oldest allience around thats still here. well as i stated abowe: Thats not true and u wrong there. NORAD these days got atlest 1/4 of original corporations some of them even the original founders like CHON, WAFFLES Inc. and JOSTDA Enterprises witch together with other Former corps returned shortly after rgrouping and regaining strenght in diferent pats of eve while CHON was holding our Ligh House against enemy forces so u can see we prety much same as before stronger yes, smarter yes, more experienced yes, but still NORAD with the same principles of fredom and democracy on whereat our Strenght is build. so u can se that alowing other alliance members to rearm and regain strenght nont mean that alliance is death and as for the control of teritory whnewer i log on i that time only think i can see on local vas "ah f**k Shivaja is here run ewerybody" and they were engaging me only if they outnumber me 6:1 and more so u can coun that as kinda controling teritory and if i were u i wudlt watch ur mouth we at that time gank people for much leser insults tahn calling us dead alliance. we newer died we just strategicaly shrink rearm our members and strike down thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. Shivaja CHON ceo NORAD Military Commander NORAD Kill Board
Zzazzt	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:05:00 - [90] It's clearly 3FA. Their member corps are roughly the same as when they started, and they inhabit the same space as when they started. Every other alliance in the game was either formed after of is unrecognisable in their current form other than the name. Hopefully, their ships have gotten bigger though Props to you guys /claps ____________________________________________

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