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bundy bear	Posted - 2006.03.15 05:55:00 - [1] Looking at the alliance map and all the changes i have seen over the last few months, which are the oldest living alliances today? Exluding alliances that have reformed or have changed drastically.
Delthus	Posted - 2006.03.15 05:58:00 - [2] first and i have no idea i would say umm i don't know :o maybe the five or ya thats it :o
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.03.15 05:59:00 - [3] Give us a call when it's time to talk about the sexiest alliances. Ehh! -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Xanta	Posted - 2006.03.15 05:59:00 - [4] 3fa?
twit brent	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:05:00 - [5] I was arround when FIX started. I cant remember to many alliances that are still arround from then.
Crzycnck2	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:08:00 - [6] I would have to say FIX and here is why: - SA disbanded and reformed into SE then SE split and SA was born again. - Curse alliance disbanded and Five was born as well as ASCN (at least I think ASCN came from the ashes of the Curse Alliance) - BoB formed after FIX as well as G, Iron and the rest of the northern alliances. FIX is the only alliance (other than BoB) that have not disbanded since before RMR, cold war ect.
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:09:00 - [7] norad
Kirex	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:13:00 - [8] Stain (no matter what form it was in) and alliances like 3fa norad ect
Angelus X	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Crzycnck2 - - Curse alliance disbanded and Five was born as well as ASCN (at least I think ASCN came from the ashes of the Curse Alliance) ---
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:16:00 - [10] Gotta be either 3fa or FIX at this point. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Leno	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Crzycnck2 I would have to say FIX and here is why: - SA disbanded and reformed into SE then SE split and SA was born again. - Curse alliance disbanded and Five was born as well as ASCN (at least I think ASCN came from the ashes of the Curse Alliance) - BoB formed after FIX as well as G, Iron and the rest of the northern alliances. FIX is the only alliance (other than BoB) that have not disbanded since before RMR, cold war ect. afriad you have a number of errors there: 1) ascn was formed out of xetic falling 2) BoB is the reason there is an IRON and not still a CoD. Also FIX came well after BoB (not the official IGA that is) The first alliance in the game was the original Stain Alliance though this is not the same as the current form (even if it has technically the same leader). The oldest of the in-game alliance to not overgo any major change could very well be 3fa (as was mentioned earlier). That or perhaps The phoenix alliance (if we pretend it did not die). Kind of hard without looking at the list and determining if anything major happened to a certain alliance and in what order. That's why i said 3fa as theya were around when the forming of IGA began and they have never really had a major change (helps when they live in a really undesirable part of the map) --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Nebba Kenezzer	Posted - 2006.03.15 06:29:00 - [12] Good luck pronouncing my alliance's name. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.03.15 07:07:00 - [13] Fountain Alliance is oldest still working IGA. Stain Alliance was oldest non-IGA alliance but it's no longer (STAIN ALLAINCE or Stain- Alliance != Stain Alliance ) Unnerf Amarr!! "Save yourselves........sell out and NAP the 5" ¬ gfasobek
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.03.15 07:12:00 - [14] yu could easily argue its still stain...same corps, same space, founded by the same man...its just the name which changes. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
TIO 101	Posted - 2006.03.15 07:41:00 - [15] Originally by: dantes inferno yu could easily argue its still stain...same corps, same space, founded by the same man...its just the name which changes. then you could say xetic(ascn) or ca(5/ra) still remains, or even the nva(pa) shock fa is still just kicking around somewhere, more of an industrial alliance nowadays.
Golan Trevize	Posted - 2006.03.15 08:09:00 - [16] CVA was formed aprox 2 days into retail by PIE-Inc. and Imperial dreams, 1st PG later joined. The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
qrac	Posted - 2006.03.15 08:26:00 - [17] Originally by: TIO 101 Originally by: dantes inferno yu could easily argue its still stain...same corps, same space, founded by the same man...its just the name which changes. then you could say xetic(ascn) or ca(5/ra) still remains, or even the nva(pa) shock fa is still just kicking around somewhere, more of an industrial alliance nowadays. know-how = 0. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
qrac	Posted - 2006.03.15 08:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Golan Trevize CVA was formed aprox 2 days into retail by PIE-Inc. and Imperial dreams, 1st PG later joined. ...and we have a winner. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
SpaceDrake Storyteller	Posted - 2006.03.15 08:40:00 - [19] Yeah, CVA and Ushra'khan would be by far the oldest, I think. They just never had really major 0.0 territorial ambitions. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward? Player of the character "Andre Ricard".
Randay	Posted - 2006.03.15 08:44:00 - [20] What were the corporations that made up CVA when they formed? ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!"
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.03.15 09:27:00 - [21] Edited by: LWMaverick on 15/03/2006 09:28:11 nvm
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2006.03.15 09:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Crzycnck2 - Curse alliance disbanded and Five was born as well as ASCN (at least I think ASCN came from the ashes of the Curse Alliance) I forgive your ignorance
Andromedus	Posted - 2006.03.15 10:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Crzycnck2 I would have to say FIX and here is why: - SA disbanded and reformed into SE then SE split and SA was born again. SA disbanded ? - To each his own truth.
Shivaja	Posted - 2006.03.15 10:46:00 - [24] Ok guys the first ever created alliance in game even without the suport of game mechanics was Foutain Alliance i know for sure was living down there when it all hapends so if u considere them alive that wudlt be them if not i wudlt say taht NORAD is the oldest living kicking and doing very well Alliance in the game few monyhs back we celabrated our 2nd birth day true bit quietly but who cares about celebrations important is we survive that long and we prosper Shivaja CHON ceo NORAD Military Commander NORAD Kill Board
Grissem	Posted - 2006.03.15 10:54:00 - [25] Edited by: Grissem on 15/03/2006 10:54:05 This is an old map a corp mate found whilst clearing up his pc. I think before Josh used to do the maps Old Map Wow, how things have changed and yet some are still the same.....it might help you with some of your questions ------ This is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself.
Hardin	Posted - 2006.03.15 10:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Randay What were the corporations that made up CVA when they formed? iirc It was Imperial Dreams, PIE Inc & Dark Seraph... Imperial Dreams is the only founder corp remaining in CVA although we do maintain close ties and working relationship with PIE... As Golan has pointed out CVA has existed almost since retail and was also one of the first 'official' alliances. The alliance has always been 'smallish' because of our strict Amarrian only recruitment policy. As someone else has pointed out we do not have any territorial ambitions other than bringing Amarrian law and order to Southern Domain and the section of North Western Providence which borders the glorious Amarrian Empire. We hope that one day our efforts there will be recognised and that this formerly lawless section of 0.0 is officially claimed for the Empire. The Ushra'Khan's heritage and many of its pilots do also date back to early post retail although it was known as the 'People's Republic of Minmatar' before the advent of official alliances... Stain Alliance was the first alliance that claimed a chunk of 0.0 again in the very early days of retail after fighting a war with M3G4 corporation I belive. Fountain Alliance was created soon after (I think). --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2006.03.15 10:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Randay What were the corporations that made up CVA when they formed? iirc It was Imperial Dreams, PIE Inc & Dark Seraph... Imperial Dreams is the only founder corp remaining in CVA although we do maintain close ties and working relationship with PIE... As Golan has pointed out CVA has existed almost since retail and was also one of the first 'official' alliances. The alliance has always been 'smallish' because of our strict Amarrian only recruitment policy. As someone else has pointed out we do not have any territorial ambitions other than bringing Amarrian law and order to Southern Domain and the section of North Western Providence which borders the glorious Amarrian Empire. We hope that one day our efforts there will be recognised and that this formerly lawless section of 0.0 is officially claimed for the Empire. The Ushra'Khan's heritage and many of its pilots do also date back to early post retail although it was known as the 'People's Republic of Minmatar' before the advent of official alliances... Stain Alliance was the first alliance that claimed a chunk of 0.0 again in the very early days of retail after fighting a war with M3G4 corporation I belive. Fountain Alliance was created soon after (I think). Old disco balls is right...nice to see you again hardin
Cmi Labudovi	Posted - 2006.03.15 11:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Crzycnck2 ASCN (at least I think ASCN came from the ashes of the Curse Alliance) Hehehe what was it Goebbels once said? "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." ASCN was formed from the remnants of Xetic after they ran off with Xetic's piggy bank money
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.15 11:18:00 - [29] I think that FIX is the oldest of the 0.0 alliances that still exist. Curse Alliance and Fountain would have beaten it, but both are gone now. ASCN came well after, and Stain has reformed so many times that I doubt you could call it the same alliance. PA/NBSI are basically dead, and PA wasn't the original to begin with. I may be wrong, but its amazing the, uh, turnover rate of alliances [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Skelator	Posted - 2006.03.15 11:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Leno Originally by: Crzycnck2 I would have to say FIX and here is why: - SA disbanded and reformed into SE then SE split and SA was born again. - Curse alliance disbanded and Five was born as well as ASCN (at least I think ASCN came from the ashes of the Curse Alliance) - BoB formed after FIX as well as G, Iron and the rest of the northern alliances. FIX is the only alliance (other than BoB) that have not disbanded since before RMR, cold war ect. afriad you have a number of errors there: 1) ascn was formed out of xetic falling 2) BoB is the reason there is an IRON and not still a CoD. Also FIX came well after BoB (not the official IGA that is) The first alliance in the game was the original Stain Alliance though this is not the same as the current form (even if it has technically the same leader). The oldest of the in-game alliance to not overgo any major change could very well be 3fa (as was mentioned earlier). That or perhaps The phoenix alliance (if we pretend it did not die). Kind of hard without looking at the list and determining if anything major happened to a certain alliance and in what order. That's why i said 3fa as theya were around when the forming of IGA began and they have never really had a major change (helps when they live in a really undesirable part of the map) Leno dont forget N.O.R.A.D. They never disbanded nor died They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Ray McCormack	Posted - 2006.03.15 11:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Dark Shikari Curse Alliance and Fountain would have beaten it, but both are gone now. Don't wanna change this thread into a debate on my Alliance's survival, just wanted to mention we're still around. The answer is Stain Empire. Stain Alliance was one of the first to grab a piece of the 0.0 pie soon after retail. When the in-game alliance support was added to the game, Stain Empire was born. It was the old SA, just done under a different name. We know how they love their names down there. Now it's undergone some radical changes, but it's still theoretically that same old alliance. \| The BIG Lottery \| BIG Sales \| 851369 \|
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.15 11:47:00 - [32] Edited by: Grimpak on 15/03/2006 11:47:36 only alliance that remains the same since his inception (that I know of) is 3FA (waaay back when there was still a CFS and even an NVA afaik). NORAD, altho CHON remains there, it's not the same like it was in the begining. SA is not the same that it was before. don't know of any other "ancient" alliance that survived till this day (xcept UK and CVA). ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Kunming	Posted - 2006.03.15 11:55:00 - [33] I was about to say SA, but then again someone reminded us of CVA. SO I would say CVA was first then SA after that FA and CA was founded. Who's still on the scene? CVA definetly is; SA is still there same region, same people, slight change in name and politics; FA are still around and building their T2 stuff, but they are merely a shadow of what used to be FA and lived in Fountain region.. It's all a game in the end, alliances come and go, older doesnt mean stronger, we see young alliances achive great things, so no one can claim to be the best cause they are the oldest still around. Website Kaos Empire Killboard
Jonathan Davis	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Randay What were the corporations that made up CVA when they formed? iirc It was Imperial Dreams, PIE Inc & Dark Seraph... Imperial Dreams is the only founder corp remaining in CVA although we do maintain close ties and working relationship with PIE... Pie left the CVA??? Why'd they go and do a thing like that?
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Jonathan Davis Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Randay What were the corporations that made up CVA when they formed? iirc It was Imperial Dreams, PIE Inc & Dark Seraph... Imperial Dreams is the only founder corp remaining in CVA although we do maintain close ties and working relationship with PIE... Pie left the CVA??? Why'd they go and do a thing like that? PIE has no interest in 0.0. CVA does.
Le Cardinal	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 15/03/2006 11:47:36 only alliance that remains the same since his inception (that I know of) is 3FA (waaay back when there was still a CFS and even an NVA afaik). NORAD, altho CHON remains there, it's not the same like it was in the begining. SA is not the same that it was before. don't know of any other "ancient" alliance that survived till this day (xcept UK and CVA). Gotta agree with you there. 3FA is definately amongst the oldest living alliances out there. With LFC still as executors. I think its fair to say that every "old" alliance in the game has gone through drastic changes. So none of them are its old self. SA, NORAD, 3FA etc. Afaik all of them are still in their old playground.
Shivaja	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 15/03/2006 11:47:36 only alliance that remains the same since his inception NORAD, altho CHON remains there, it's not the same like it was in the begining. survived till this day (xcept UK and CVA). Thats not true and u wrong there. NORAD these days got atlest 1/4 of original corporations some of them even the original founders like CHON, WAFFLES Inc. and JOSTDA Enterprises witch together with other Former corps returned shortly after rgrouping and regaining strenght in diferent pats of eve while CHON was holding our Ligh House against enemy forces so u can see we prety much same as before stronger yes, smarter yes, more experienced yes, but still NORAD with the same principles of fredom and democracy on whereat our Strenght is build Shivaja CHON ceo NORAD Military Commander NORAD Kill Board
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.15 12:59:00 - [38] I'll leave it to others to judge whether alliances qualify after re-structuring. But MASS have had the same HQ all the time since the start. As said, CVA was prolly the first alliance, but there might have been other 'empire alliances' as well. As for 0.0 alliances, this kinda started after the first ore-relocation. The order for them to form was (iirc): * Stain Alliance * Fountain Alliance <- kinda fun someone from FA said they were first when they kinda used SA as a model. * Venal Alliance * Confederation of Free Stars * Curse Alliance <- kinda fun that ppl think they're much older, when in fact VA had already fallen and reformed as NVA (and later New New Venal Alliance (Or PA as some prefer to call it)) Though, on the other hand there were 3 very small alliances in the Curse region; Curse Coalition, Curse Alliance and a 3:rd (and these 3 didn't claim any space), but generally ppl referr to CA as the big alliance that was created much later. There were also various small entities in the north (Empyrean Federation for example), but I'm very unsure about their names and if they actually tried to claim any 0.0 space. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.03.15 13:06:00 - [39] Edited by: DB Preacher on 15/03/2006 13:06:24 Originally by: dalman I'll leave it to others to judge whether alliances qualify after re-structuring. But MASS have had the same HQ all the time since the start. As said, CVA was prolly the first alliance, but there might have been other 'empire alliances' as well. As for 0.0 alliances, this kinda started after the first ore-relocation. The order for them to form was (iirc): * Stain Alliance * Fountain Alliance <- kinda fun someone from FA said they were first when they kinda used SA as a model. * Venal Alliance * Confederation of Free Stars * Curse Alliance <- kinda fun that ppl think they're much older, when in fact VA had already fallen and reformed as NVA (and later New New Venal Alliance (Or PA as some prefer to call it)) Though, on the other hand there were 3 very small alliances in the Curse region; Curse Coalition, Curse Alliance and a 3:rd (and these 3 didn't claim any space), but generally ppl referr to CA as the big alliance that was created much later. There were also various small entities in the north (Empyrean Federation for example), but I'm very unsure about their names and if they actually tried to claim any 0.0 space. Wasn't really much in the north at all around that time. Venal > NVA as stated. Biomass where owning most of the North East but they were a massive corp rather than an alliance (albiet they were an alliance of other pierat corps brought together in one corp). The rest of the space was just filled with randoms. Everyone else appeared after the introduction of the player controlled stations. I agree with Dalman as to the order of the creation of the alliances. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2006.03.15 13:30:00 - [40] Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 15/03/2006 13:32:25 People change their names all the time, does that mean they are different ppl? Stain has never died/disbanded, therefore they are the oldest. EDIT: Btw Stain Alliance was the first alliance, no matter what you might think of the current situation. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe
qrac	Posted - 2006.03.15 13:37:00 - [41] Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 15/03/2006 13:32:25 People change their names all the time, does that mean they are different ppl? Stain has never died/disbanded, therefore they are the oldest. EDIT: Btw Stain Alliance was the first alliance, no matter what you might think of the current situation. why don't you read the thread first? cva was the first alliance. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
monkiboi	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:29:00 - [42] Originally by: dalman To CFS on the other hand, this was their doom. Not only did the stations cause internal troubles, but more importantly the new jump gates opened up their space for the expansionistic FA. IIRC FA owned the stations in Querious, Delve and Period Basis. A refining tax was in place at the stations used by CFS which was supposed go towards FA protecting CFS. CA had loads of fun provoking the CFS leadership calling them FA lapdogs. There was one memorable saturday night when a CA gang of dual MWD ravens came down to TPAR-G and only left when they ran out of ammo. This caused the CFS leadership to attempt to take the stations themselves on the basis that why pay FA for protection if CFS wasn't being protected. This started the FA/CFS war. The rest as they say is history. Didn't FIX start during the war claiming Querious as some of the founder corps were living there already? I'm sure I have most of the details right but I've also succeded in draging the thraed off topic. Don't mind being corrected on any details I have wrong. Just because I was there when it all went wrong doesn't mean I was party to everything going on.
Raid	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Raid on 15/03/2006 14:41:36 SA is by far the oldest alliance. They never disbanded to make SE, the name was simply changed (without consulting anyone) when official alliances were allowed, then MASS remade SA and everyone from SE joined SA. Currently the original members of SA are still in the alliance. In terms of oldest alliances by name theres (current existing alliances): Stain Alliance Fountain Alliance Curse Coalition (around before CA but merged into Tyrell to join SA) Xetic (no ones left in the alliance though) Pheonix (formerly VA and then NVA) CVA (PIE was originally part of FA wasnt it?).
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R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:50:00 - [45] Originally by: qrac Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 15/03/2006 13:32:25 People change their names all the time, does that mean they are different ppl? Stain has never died/disbanded, therefore they are the oldest. EDIT: Btw Stain Alliance was the first alliance, no matter what you might think of the current situation. why don't you read the thread first? cva was the first alliance. If that is said in this thread then.. well they lied. SA IS the the oldest. This is not something I belive is true, I know it to be true. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:52:00 - [46] I think MC (and maybe BOB) is the only alliance that can claim it still has the exact same corp membership now as it did when it was first created (IGA i mean) Thats gotta count for sommat right? My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
Raid	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Eyeshadow I think MC (and maybe BOB) is the only alliance that can claim it still has the exact same corp membership now as it did when it was first created (IGA i mean) Thats gotta count for sommat right? Neither alliance has been around as long as the ones mentioned above (nor have they have the number of member corporations). A lot can change in almost 3 years. A lot of the corps in SA were there in the beginning so i think they still qualify as the oldest to still exist.
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:56:00 - [48] Im pretty sure most Nations have had a change in leadership at some point during theyr history. Doesnt mean they'r not the same Nation. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe
Lacrimae	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:29:00 - [49] I can't remember exactly when 3rd Front was formed, but I seem to recall our corp getting their first office in our home space around mid February 2004, so I am guessing it was early Feb 2004. I do however still remember why it was formed :) Might have been earlier though as I just checked my first post on the 3FA forums - it's dated March 3rd 2004 and states 'you guys have been screaming for a forum for ages...' so uhm... Someone give me a memory implant irl please? :P Dead Stars Still Burn
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Crzycnck2 I would have to say FIX and here is why: - SA disbanded and reformed into SE then SE split and SA was born again. - Curse alliance disbanded and Five was born as well as ASCN (at least I think ASCN came from the ashes of the Curse Alliance) - BoB formed after FIX as well as G, Iron and the rest of the northern alliances. FIX is the only alliance (other than BoB) that have not disbanded since before RMR, cold war ect. You got any clue about alliance history at all?
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:00:00 - [51] Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 15/03/2006 17:00:30 Have to agree with Lacrimae about 3FA. Might not technicly be the oldest alliance but it has stayed put in the same place and still has the same values and rules it started out with. Which to my mind is unlike any of the the other alliances past or present.
Pylse	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:04:00 - [52] CVA as the first alliance. Stain Alliance as the first to claim 0.0 space. Guess you should rule Stain Alliance and Stain Empire under the same thing in this case, as quite frankly Stain Alliance turned into Stain Empire before people started leaving it. (If my memory serves me well)
Trakh Shardan	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Eyeshadow I think MC (and maybe BOB) is the only alliance that can claim it still has the exact same corp membership now as it did when it was first created (IGA i mean) Thats gotta count for sommat right? not rly true as m0o is no longer in bob as its gone and yes MC never got any new corps have to agree whit U tho if U look at stain now we still have MASS R-I storm guard colective etc etc etc all corps where there from the start
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:21:00 - [54] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 15/03/2006 17:26:47 Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 15/03/2006 17:22:30 Originally by: Pylse CVA as the first alliance. Stain Alliance as the first to claim 0.0 space. Guess you should rule Stain Alliance and Stain Empire under the same thing in this case, as quite frankly Stain Alliance turned into Stain Empire before people started leaving it. (If my memory serves me well) Not true, CVA was not there before FA and SA, since i fought both FA and SA in the first year, but did first fight CVA with Oracle after our first amarr enemy corp, joined[merged) with PIE INC. At that time Oracle fought SA fleets in the Rogue Jovian genral accident(event) where general Ouria, engaged a SA fleet, with 15 stabbers from Oracle as wingmen. And i remember i had allready traded blows with FA at that time, since i would not pay for a pass into fountain. 14 days after the game went gold i remember i was ninja mining ark in venal, and meet alot of the corps that would later make the north their home, I instead went south with Oracle and helped found CA.
Hardin	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Raid CVA (PIE was originally part of FA wasnt it?). PIE was never part of the FA although some of our pilots did NPC there until FA was formed and the border went up. I still have a Bestower and some other stuff rotting in a hanger in YZ-LQL for over 2 two and a half years - just never got round to collecting it. I can still remember the forum rumpus when Xanadu and (I think Evolution) made the announcement of the formation of FA and listed all the corps who were included - leaving out many who then vented their outrage at being forced out but couldnt do a damn thing about it... --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Raid CVA (PIE was originally part of FA wasnt it?). PIE was never part of the FA although some of our pilots did NPC there until FA was formed and the border went up. I still have a Bestower and some other stuff rotting in a hanger in YZ-LQL for over 2 two and a half years - just never got round to collecting it. I can still remember the forum rumpus when Xanadu and (I think Evolution) made the announcement of the formation of FA and listed all the corps who were included - leaving out many who then vented their outrage at being forced out but couldnt do a damn thing about it... Yeahh Remember that too, some did not pay up, but shot back
Zubenelgenubi	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:37:00 - [57] Cool thread. makes me proud to have called Stain my home for over a year and counting
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:53:00 - [58] I think FIX did come slightly after 3FA although I wasn't playing eve at the time but still forum whoring out of nostalgia.. memory is a bit fuzzy though. Since its creation 3FA hasn't had any major changes at all, LFC is still the executor corp and we still kick major ass . While FA might be the oldest alliance in-game still, I would say that having their territory invaded and having most of the corps leave would count as a major change. Same with the CVA, didn't the executor corp PIE leave the alliance? -\|- Join LFC, become someone, become family.
Hardin	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:58:00 - [59] PIE left the alliance but it was by mutual consent and not as a result of any war action. Also a number of PIE members (like me) stayed within the CVA - so it didn't have any major impact on CVA abilities. --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:42:00 - [60] Just to chime in, and to clarify a few things in regards of the uncertainty of 3rd Front Alliance. 3FA was concieved in january/february 2004, went live late february/early march 2004. I remember reading about CFS turning to UFS, and later the resulting FIX. Not to steal any thunder from FIX, but we existed before you guys :) That we've done so in relative quiet, and held our 2 year'ish birthday recently, without pretty much anyone noticing is another matter. One difference is, between 3FA and most of the other old alliances, that we've never completely restructured, reformed, renamed or similar. We have been called dead a few times, of course...but then again, who haven't. And hand on the heart, apart form the now long-gone Catch22 alliance, we've never really been on the brink of death ;) -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~Willi
Machiavelli7	Posted - 2006.03.15 19:47:00 - [61] Originally by: Clipped Wings I remember reading about CFS turning to UFS, and later the resulting FIX. To clarify, FIX grew out of the independent Querious corps that existed from Genesis & Castor patches. The in-game alliance was formed very quickly after game mechanics allowed it, but we were already organised through the QDF for several months before that. This was always wholly seperate to CFS, and long before they changed their name to UFS (which incorporated other alliances such as Star and DSMA under that ill-fated banner). I wouldn't say FIX is the oldest alliance, but as I said, we've been co-operating down here 'in the FIX' (Querious used to be called JK-FIX, fact fiends) for well over 2 years now.
qrac	Posted - 2006.03.16 06:30:00 - [62] Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 If that is said in this thread then.. well they lied. SA IS the the oldest. This is not something I belive is true, I know it to be true. ok ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.03.16 06:41:00 - [63] As I said before, Stain Alliance != Stain- Alliance or STAIN ALLAINCE Unnerf Amarr!! "Save yourselves........sell out and NAP the 5" ¬ gfasobek
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:21:00 - [64] Originally by: Grissem Edited by: Grissem on 15/03/2006 10:54:05 This is an old map a corp mate found whilst clearing up his pc. I think before Josh used to do the maps Old Map Wow, how things have changed and yet some are still the same.....it might help you with some of your questions That map looks so much better with the handshakes and all.
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:31:00 - [65] BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA. I think the oldest alliance are those that in the main have stayed under ppl radar or have been tactical smart about the NAPs they have arranged NORAD and 3fa have been around much longer that BoB the Five, Imp and so on... SA have been allaince for a long time... but the new SA is not the same as the SA that became SE so for my 5 isk worth I'd say you gotta be looking at 3fa/NORAD and maybe FIX also FA have been around forever i think some PA guys would say they have a claim to that title... but PA currently are not really an allaince as such (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:35:00 - [66] Originally by: qrac Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 If that is said in this thread then.. well they lied. SA IS the the oldest. This is not something I belive is true, I know it to be true. ok the current SA is a splinter faction of SE that grew from the old SA after allainces were rattified after exodus 3fa have been around much much longer than that... (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:38:00 - [67] Edited by: eddie valvetino on 16/03/2006 13:39:11 Originally by: Clipped Wings Just to chime in, and to clarify a few things in regards of the uncertainty of 3rd Front Alliance. 3FA was concieved in january/february 2004, went live late february/early march 2004. I remember reading about CFS turning to UFS, and later the resulting FIX. Not to steal any thunder from FIX, but we existed before you guys :) That we've done so in relative quiet, and held our 2 year'ish birthday recently, without pretty much anyone noticing is another matter. One difference is, between 3FA and most of the other old alliances, that we've never completely restructured, reformed, renamed or similar. We have been called dead a few times, of course...but then again, who haven't. And hand on the heart, apart form the now long-gone Catch22 alliance, we've never really been on the brink of death ;) gotta say think clipped is right on that... 3fa have been around forever guys and as clipped pointed out also... have retained the same basic structure (to my knowledge) and retained the same piece of 0.0 though out that time. something nearly none of the "large" allainces have managed in fact it says alot about the unity and leadership of 3fa that they have managed this ps sorry about three posts back to back - prolly coulda done them all in one hit Eddie (lord n00binton of chester) valvetino (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
ZedLey	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:39:00 - [68] Originally by: eddie valvetino BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA.
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:42:00 - [69] Edited by: eddie valvetino on 16/03/2006 13:44:22 Originally by: ZedLey Originally by: eddie valvetino BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA. could have got that wrong... but weren't the five spawned of BoB and BoB spawned of CA? IMP certainly were and ATUK were BoB as Supr were ca as were Sinra... if i have my history wrong... i'm sorry. also.. but these little half ass allaince such as Five and BoB tend to drop below my radar (j/k got nothing but love for ya) anyway - time loses it's meaning throw all of this smoke (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
BlackRain	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:48:00 - [70] Originally by: eddie valvetino BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA. No. [5] was gradually born from the remnants of CA, after Supremacy's trip to Syndicate and JQA space with the early stage of Imperium Alliance ( VotF, RONA-KIA / -Vortex etc ). BoB, however, had nothing to do with CA. It was formed way before the formal IGA system, during the big brawl also known as the GNW. The main corporations fighting against PA first banded together under the name of CCP Alliance ( Cookies, Cake and Pie Alliance ), and after a slight hassle were forced to change the name into something else - Band of Brothers. BoB as an entity is actually quite old now. ------------------- -
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:50:00 - [71] Originally by: eddie valvetino the current SA is a splinter faction of SE that grew from the old SA after allainces were rattified after exodus 3fa have been around much much longer than that... The Stain Alliance (how ever the name has changed) has always been the Stain Alliance. I've been around it since I joined eve (over two years now) and at that time they had been operating for some time. The name has changed a couple of times and some corps have had disagreements but the Alliance never disbaned. And if I am not very much mistaken the same corps who lead SA in the begining are still leading them. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe
Kryztal	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:15:00 - [72] Originally by: Solwolf Originally by: Dark Shikari I think that FIX is the oldest of the 0.0 alliances that still exist. Curse Alliance and Fountain would have beaten it, but both are gone now. ... I may be wrong, but its amazing the, uh, turnover rate of alliances What do you mean Fountain Alliance is gone? Gone to empire ? I mean your existence isnt much tbh. But you try ill give you that. Black Nova Corp Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:21:00 - [73] Originally by: BlackRain Originally by: eddie valvetino BoB and the Five were formed after the collaspe of CA. No. [5] was gradually born from the remnants of CA, after Supremacy's trip to Syndicate and JQA space with the early stage of Imperium Alliance ( VotF, RONA-KIA / -Vortex etc ). BoB, however, had nothing to do with CA. It was formed way before the formal IGA system, during the big brawl also known as the GNW. The main corporations fighting against PA first banded together under the name of CCP Alliance ( Cookies, Cake and Pie Alliance ), and after a slight hassle were forced to change the name into something else - Band of Brothers. BoB as an entity is actually quite old now. i stand corrected - also on the SA issue too... but it is fact that the SA became the SE and then SA spilt from SE... i was there and saw it. Still imho we still have a clear winner.... 3fa as they were here to watch all of this happen (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:30:00 - [74] Originally by: eddie valvetino i stand corrected - also on the SA issue too... but it is fact that the SA became the SE and then SA spilt from SE... i was there and saw it. Still imho we still have a clear winner.... 3fa as they were here to watch all of this happen I wouldnt say SA split from SE, I alwasy thought of it the other way. Tho I understand why youd say that. And by the dates given on these here forums about the begining of 3fa (jun/feb 2004 I read somwhere) I must dissagree. I joined eve around that time and imitiedly joined SA, who then had been the SA for a while. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe
KIAHicks	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:47:00 - [75] Edited by: KIAHicks on 16/03/2006 14:52:19 Speaking from my experience of been in the VA/NVA/PA1 (not PA2 :P) VA was formed very early on in the game, KIA Joined the VA a few months into the game as our first real step into 0.0. Lots happened (see any venal history for the TTI/Space Invaders/Evolution saga which was really good fun :) a few corps left and a few new corps joined, in sufficient numbers that it was really a new alliance and thus became known as the NVA. The change from NVA -> PA however was pretty much nothing more than a name change, very few changes to the core alliance corps occurred. Lots more happened, the PA started to lose its way. Even more stuff happened, see videos/history on the Great northern war. As the northern war ended, even more corps moved on, after seeing how the PA was changing. The PA slowly changed into an abomonation and lost most if not all the core alliance corps which spread far and wide to many different alliances. Leaving what is now the PA2 and really its a travasty that they're allowed to continue using the name. The original PA were proud to be a new alliance and seperated themselves from the original VA with a new name, it seems though that the current PA are incapable of making a name for themselves and have to carry on living off the legacy of the former alliance. So to summerise VA old alliance lasted quite a while but eventually broke up and was reformed into the NVA. NVA renamed to PA but still same alliance. PA lost its way and became the PA we now know (PA2? :) which is the original PA in name alone, they're no where near the same alliance as the original PA (eg the renamed NVA). Follow? Clear as mud? Ok good :) Flame away Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2006.03.16 15:23:00 - [76] Stain Alliance, how it came to be as it is: SA was formed very soon after retail by MASS & co Known as Stain Alliance for 1.5 years or so untill CCP allowed in-game alliances in december of 2004, SA renamed to Stain Empire, much to the displeasure of many, not so to others. MASS left SE with the message "going on a roadtrip, keep my seat warm while I'm away" This was agreed to by all in SE. Other SE corps followed MASS to find new adventures. SE asked these travellers to come home and help put things right again. Some agreed, some decided to stay out just a little longer. ALOT of new corps had been accepted into SE during this time, many of which I simply cannot remember the name of. After a good roadtrip and carebear session, many old SA corps wanted to go back home, resurrect the old name clean up Stan region and make SA what it used to be. Unfortunatly, this transition wasn't handled the best way, so some felt theyr toes where being stepped on. SA and SE start a civil war. So basically, Stain Alliance & Empire are the same entity, it just so happens we don't seem to get along. I was in Stain Alliance in 2004, and I am still in Stain Alliance in 2006. And to be perfectly honest, arguing about what it has been called during the years, isn't going to change that fact.
Garia666	Posted - 2006.03.16 15:26:00 - [77] stain was formed before the rest even got the skilz. It was the first alliance ADGA Website
Moncada	Posted - 2006.03.16 15:37:00 - [78] Nothing to add on the topic except that the alliances of eve rule :p I played as a soldier for SA for a very long time and saw the best/worst of the alliances at that time but the alliances that havent been assaulted and killed are the ones that are worthy to remain. With the introduction of the tech2 monopoly of some of the alliances in game I doubt very much that there will be any more "great" collapses in the near future as all the alliances are nearly self substaining. It was a blast to be part of a alliance and I recommend it all to everyone that isnt. The alliances are the greatest that eve have to offer at the moment because of the huge tasks that they have to undertake to ensure survival. The military part that gets spammed so often here really isnt the pinnacle of the alliances as the willpower and planning sides of them are the greatest. It just culminates in the conflicts that we see today and the consquences of them tend to be earth shattering to many of the 0.0 inhabitans. The logistical side of a alliance tend to be the most impressive from my viewpoint. All thoose people ready to risk millions of isk by busting through gate camps and transporting through hostile space are heroes aswell as the gun totting maniacs that all alliances love and cherish :p Keep up the good work all you veld loving, gate hugging, complex running and murderous bastards I will hopefully move to a place with a more internet friendly connection soon and rejoin the 0.0 of eve again. Just don't go turning dull on me now Oh how I wish that the moral wars and political agitators where back on the forums and spewing out propaganda. Even though we all hated them, we all loved them in some way. This part of the forums has become a bit dull now that everyone just points their gun at someone and says "Nice land, we¦ll take it" instead of the intrigues that we used to have on this part of the board before. Anyway, Im ranting. Time to go look for some evil Piwates to kill Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.03.16 17:10:00 - [79] map from the the days of old FE (corp) were wacking fade, and CA/C4 had SA on its knees
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.16 17:38:00 - [80] Originally by: Spartan239 map from the the days of old FE (corp) were wacking fade, and CA/C4 had SA on its knees Not really. But they were close to achieve exactly what G/IRON did (the split into SA<->Tribal). Because the SA had exactly the same issues back then, and that tribal split off to a new alliance was really a good thing. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
TornSoul	Posted - 2006.03.16 17:57:00 - [81] Quote: Session Start: Fri Aug 01 22:00:19 2003 Session Ident: #FA-Council [21:59] * Now talking in #FA-Council Thats the beginning of the first FA-Council meeting log on IRC. It's the oldest log I have anyhow Needless to say the alliance had been operating a bit before getting 'organized' enough to actually have a council meeting. So sometime middle of july-2003 would be the birth date of the FA. BIG Lottery [u
Revolution	Posted - 2006.03.16 18:34:00 - [82] sa were formed the day after the ore relocation from empire to 0.0, va was formed shortly after this, followed by FA, followed by CA a few months later. this is how i remember events being hevily involved with the game at that stage
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.16 18:38:00 - [83] Originally by: Spartan239 map from the the days of old FE (corp) were wacking fade, and CA/C4 had SA on its knees that were the moments before the GNW started
Lorth	Posted - 2006.03.16 19:02:00 - [84] Well this is a hard question to answer, but i'll try my best to explian the situation of some commonly mentioned alliences. NORAD: Well I personally wouldn't count them. There was a time when they were honestly good and dead. 1 corp, with 60 member who controll no space isn't an allience. Though CHON are great people and fought tooth and nail, I wouldn't put NORAD on the list because of this. FA: Well personally I view this allience as nothing more then a group of players who share a chat channel. No oranized reistance to a group living in space they formally controlled. And its been this way for a long time. An allience who can not organize enough to defend or contest space, and who lives in empire is a dead allience. Yes they have members, and some people roaming foutain, but gank squads are not evidence of a living organized allience. STAIN: Well I to tell you the truth I'm not sure where to put these guys. So I'll say this... Even though they have reformed, and hav had a few differant names over the last few years they may be the 'oldest allience.' That is assuming the same corps have stuck aound, and that its generally under the same leadership. Assuming that, and considering they were the first allience, then there's your winner. 3FA: And old allience. One that has remained about the same since it was formed. Same space, same corps, and same leaders, in general. If you don't count stain, then these guys are the oldest allience around thats still here.
Solwolf	Posted - 2006.03.16 19:21:00 - [85] Originally by: Lorth ... FA: Well personally I view this allience as nothing more then a group of players who share a chat channel. No oranized reistance to a group living in space they formally controlled. And its been this way for a long time. An allience who can not organize enough to defend or contest space, and who lives in empire is a dead allience. Yes they have members, and some people roaming foutain, but gank squads are not evidence of a living organized allience... I can understand why you believe this. However, we're in Fountain fighting against BOB and Xelas. Before that we were fighting against The Five. BOB and The Five are some of the best PVPer's in the game. Why don't you fight them and try to claim some of their space, then come back and tell me that we're not an alliance? Try to walk a mile in our shoes before you say stuff like this. The original poster asked who the oldest alliance is that hasn't reformed. Stain Alliance was around before FA, but they've reformed a few times. FA hasn't reformed, though most of the original corps have long left for greener pastures.
Borg017	Posted - 2006.03.17 03:59:00 - [86] Originally by: Kryztal Gone to empire ? I mean your existence isnt much tbh. But you try ill give you that. Naw, we still alive and in fountains.
Sextus Licinius	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:01:00 - [87] Cut it with SA, since it disbanded, became SE and back to SA its lost all is old alliance priviledges. To give u an example; if BoB would rename themselves to CA, that will win them the-never-die-old-alliance-crap? i think not... SA transformed in SE than some dude reverted it back to SA, so old SA is very much dead while the new SA are former SE. That makes SA one of the newest alliances on the scene. NORAD has always been there, the rest i don't know "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:38:00 - [88] Forsaken empire... the torch has just been passed alot BM-C is recruiting!
Shivaja	Posted - 2006.03.17 13:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Lorth Well this is a hard question to answer, but i'll try my best to explian the situation of some commonly mentioned alliences. NORAD: Well I personally wouldn't count them. There was a time when they were honestly good and dead. 1 corp, with 60 member who controll no space isn't an allience. Though CHON are great people and fought tooth and nail, I wouldn't put NORAD on the list because of this. FA: Well personally I view this allience as nothing more then a group of players who share a chat channel. No oranized reistance to a group living in space they formally controlled. And its been this way for a long time. An allience who can not organize enough to defend or contest space, and who lives in empire is a dead allience. Yes they have members, and some people roaming foutain, but gank squads are not evidence of a living organized allience. STAIN: Well I to tell you the truth I'm not sure where to put these guys. So I'll say this... Even though they have reformed, and hav had a few differant names over the last few years they may be the 'oldest allience.' That is assuming the same corps have stuck aound, and that its generally under the same leadership. Assuming that, and considering they were the first allience, then there's your winner. 3FA: And old allience. One that has remained about the same since it was formed. Same space, same corps, and same leaders, in general. If you don't count stain, then these guys are the oldest allience around thats still here. well as i stated abowe: Thats not true and u wrong there. NORAD these days got atlest 1/4 of original corporations some of them even the original founders like CHON, WAFFLES Inc. and JOSTDA Enterprises witch together with other Former corps returned shortly after rgrouping and regaining strenght in diferent pats of eve while CHON was holding our Ligh House against enemy forces so u can see we prety much same as before stronger yes, smarter yes, more experienced yes, but still NORAD with the same principles of fredom and democracy on whereat our Strenght is build. so u can se that alowing other alliance members to rearm and regain strenght nont mean that alliance is death and as for the control of teritory whnewer i log on i that time only think i can see on local vas "ah f**k Shivaja is here run ewerybody" and they were engaging me only if they outnumber me 6:1 and more so u can coun that as kinda controling teritory and if i were u i wudlt watch ur mouth we at that time gank people for much leser insults tahn calling us dead alliance. we newer died we just strategicaly shrink rearm our members and strike down thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. Shivaja CHON ceo NORAD Military Commander NORAD Kill Board
Zzazzt	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:05:00 - [90] It's clearly 3FA. Their member corps are roughly the same as when they started, and they inhabit the same space as when they started. Every other alliance in the game was either formed after of is unrecognisable in their current form other than the name. Hopefully, their ships have gotten bigger though Props to you guys /claps ____________________________________________
Jita Market	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:11:00 - [91] The original SA changed it's name to Stain Empire (some idiot mispelled Stain Allaince originally ) Stain Allaince = Stain Empire. Stain Empire does not equal Stain- Alliance though. Trigger came back from his road trip and created Stain- Alliance as a new alliance and forced his way back into Stain. Stain Empire still exists and is currently still living in the Stain region. SE never disanded. Originally by: Sextus Licinius Cut it with SA, since it disbanded, became SE and back to SA its lost all is old alliance priviledges. To give u an example; if BoB would rename themselves to CA, that will win them the-never-die-old-alliance-crap? i think not... SA transformed in SE than some dude reverted it back to SA, so old SA is very much dead while the new SA are former SE. That makes SA one of the newest alliances on the scene. NORAD has always been there, the rest i don't know
Koronos	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:45:00 - [92] Edited by: Koronos on 17/03/2006 15:45:29 nevermind
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:40:00 - [93] Edited by: eddie valvetino on 17/03/2006 17:40:30 Originally by: Zzazzt It's clearly 3FA. Their member corps are roughly the same as when they started, and they inhabit the same space as when they started. Every other alliance in the game was either formed after of is unrecognisable in their current form other than the name. Hopefully, their ships have gotten bigger though Props to you guys /claps signed... regardless what the SA/SE (whatever) guys like to think... they have hugh changes over the years. 3fa have retained the same space, members and core leadership since day one, something no other allaince can claim, small and off the radar they maybe.. but they have been around forever, slowly growing in number and strength. Whatever your personal veiws, 3fa have certainly shown unity and stood the test if time. kudos for that if nothing else (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Secret Messenger	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:43:00 - [94] and now, the big question. Who really gives a damn?
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.03.17 18:14:00 - [95] Originally by: Secret Messenger and now, the big question. Who really gives a damn? Uhm, anyone wanting to know why the current political scene is the way it is? Do you think people just spin the bottle and kiss/ally the person it points to? Seriously, history is good to know. Everything leads to something, and some of the biggest wars that have existed were the result of past grudges - some extended past Beta. Stain Alliance were the first true 0.0 alliance, CVA don't count because of being in empire and not playing a vital part in any alliance politics. VA came shortly after, and died quickly. FA came after that and had a really really long run. Stain is the only one remotely active in alliance politics, but until MASS/Trigger returned to the area and Collective returned from inactivity they were entirely different. So I don't think you can claim continuity there. FE was reformed like fifty billion times, FIX is like the fourth incarnation of a Querious-based alliance, NORAD was 4 people living in empire at one point. Answer? There really isn't an alliance left in the game from early retail, with mostly original membership, and that has been active in alliance politics without pause. If you want individual corporations, Evol comes to mind, MASS and ATUK also come to mind. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Kamel	Posted - 2006.03.17 21:24:00 - [96] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Stain Alliance were the first true 0.0 alliance, CVA don't count because of being in empire and not playing a vital part in any alliance politics. VA came shortly after, and died quickly. FA came after that and had a really really long run. Stain is the only one remotely active in alliance politics Im must agree on that, i remember SA to being the first Aliance i heard off afther retail. As an old memory i have about SA the first time we had an encounter with them cruisers werent that comon and most of ppl used to fly frigates.
Skif Alef	Posted - 2006.03.17 22:23:00 - [97] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Seriously, history is good to know. Everything leads to something Words of gold, actually. Thumbs up! --- "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." Hubert H. Humphrey
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.17 22:40:00 - [98] Originally by: Secret Messenger and now, the big question. Who really gives a damn? If you don't care about the political history of EVE; who you are fighting against, who's fighting alongside you, and why you are fighting/co-operating, then I'll seriously recommend you to quit EVE and start up BF/UT or something and join a random public server. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Turin	Posted - 2006.03.18 00:29:00 - [99] Just to clarify things for the records. I am the oldest alliance, and I have been here since day 1 of game. ________________________________________________________
M'buku	Posted - 2006.03.18 02:29:00 - [100] Hmmm interesting thread we have here, lots of half truths, and opinions. Some facts, and alot of fable here. There are indeed some very old alliances within EvE. How many were created back in Beta though, before EvE had even been released to the public at large. I know if one for sure, because a long time ago I was a member. Who? I hear you asking. XETIC, that's who. Ok granted they're now a dead alliance, but I'm pretty sure they were the first.
Edhel	Posted - 2006.03.18 03:04:00 - [101] SA NEVER disbanded. And the core corps are still there thank you very nice. and i think they are the oldest alliance as well, IGA or not
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.18 15:37:00 - [102] Originally by: M'buku Hmmm interesting thread we have here, lots of half truths, and opinions. Some facts, and alot of fable here. There are indeed some very old alliances within EvE. How many were created back in Beta though, before EvE had even been released to the public at large. I know if one for sure, because a long time ago I was a member. Who? I hear you asking. XETIC, that's who. Ok granted they're now a dead alliance, but I'm pretty sure they were the first. There were many alliances in beta (which I didn't play) but they didn't survive into the real game. On the history of Xetic... Afaik, the one named XETIC in beta had nothing at all to do with the one named Xetic on the real server. And afaik X-trading company was instrumental in the forming of Xetic. At that point they had already been in SA ;) Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Chib	Posted - 2006.03.19 00:44:00 - [103] Edited by: Chib on 19/03/2006 00:48:01 Stain alliance is the oldest 0.0 alliance afaik, when IGA were formed and we were all still there we were named Stain Empire and most of us were like WTF?!? but i believe that happened because of a corp that was created called stain alliance hence now we are called stain- alliance but the core members have been the same occupying the same area of space wasnt stain formed in beta? edit: at least i started playing about 3 months or so out of beta and stain was the first alliance i remember getting a login page news mention due to the jove invasion ---------------------------------------------
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.03.19 15:11:00 - [104] Edited by: Reiisha on 19/03/2006 15:13:12 Originally by: bundy bear Looking at the alliance map and all the changes i have seen over the last few months, which are the oldest living alliances today? Exluding alliances that have reformed or have changed drastically. The Entente is the oldest alliance. It formed quite early in Beta. In retail. the first semi-official alliance was Stain Alliance (the original one, not the current one). If someone remembers differently, let me know in this thread.
M'buku	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:49:00 - [105] Edited by: M''buku on 20/03/2006 03:50:55 Edited by: M''buku on 20/03/2006 03:50:33 Originally by: dalman Originally by: M'buku Hmmm interesting thread we have here, lots of half truths, and opinions. Some facts, and alot of fable here. There are indeed some very old alliances within EvE. How many were created back in Beta though, before EvE had even been released to the public at large. I know if one for sure, because a long time ago I was a member. Who? I hear you asking. XETIC, that's who. Ok granted they're now a dead alliance, but I'm pretty sure they were the first. There were many alliances in beta (which I didn't play) but they didn't survive into the real game. On the history of Xetic... Afaik, the one named XETIC in beta had nothing at all to do with the one named Xetic on the real server. And afaik X-trading company was instrumental in the forming of Xetic. At that point they had already been in SA ;) Yes XT did spend some time in SA. The original XETIC name came from the 3 founding members. They were X Traders, Hegemonic Core, and another corp that never made it into release. Sure there were other alliances in beta, but I really can't think of any others that made it into release. The Xetic that made it into release was largely brought about by XT, and HC, the two corps from beta, along with Exceed Inc [IXC] and Black Hole Industries [ZOO] (of which I was CEO)

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