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Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro. 10	Posted - 2011.11.07 15:35:00 - [1] - Quote Fuel costs for towers is going up with the winter expansion. Increases vary from no change on Robotics through to 4x on liquid ozone/heavy water/coolant. Racial topes are approximately 3.5x Get to it minions.
enterprisePSI Unimatrix 0.1 35	Posted - 2011.11.07 15:39:00 - [2] - Quote Fuel prices up. Ice mining up. Suicide gank up. $_ $ good days ^_^ The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. -«enterprise-psi
Gatan Hahran Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION 2	Posted - 2011.11.07 15:42:00 - [3] - Quote panic buy NOW! then calm down, relax... and.. panic buy MUCH MORE!
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro. 10	Posted - 2011.11.07 15:57:00 - [4] - Quote Relevant part of the dev blog pasted below: 8x Coolant 4x Enriched Uranium 400x relevant racial Isotope 4x Mechanical Parts 20x Oxygen 1x Robotics 150x Heavy Water 150x Liquid Ozone Towers will use 1 block/hour for small, 2 blocks/hour for medium and 4 blocks/hour for large. The CPU and Power load will no longer have any impact on your fuel needs - all towers now need the same amount of fuel, regardless of configuration. Compare the above with the current usage amounts.
Katareena Starfire Black Lion Brigade Velocitas Eradico 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 16:45:00 - [5] - Quote Maybe I am using that southern U.S. math again, but it looks to me like fuel costs are lower (except maybe HW and LO depending on your setup). Larges now take 5 less oxygen, 1 less mech part, and 50 less isotopes per hour. I give this a thumbs up! Also, smalls and mediums use 1/4 and 1/2 a robotic per hour, respectively, which will significantly reduce the fuel costs on running them. Kat
Serial Chi Dust Bunnies 514 14	Posted - 2011.11.07 16:53:00 - [6] - Quote faction tower prices go down. no longer has the "Save you money over time" appeal to them anymore. with the extra storage, would be more useful in WH space though.
Bel Arvardan GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 16:54:00 - [7] - Quote Hahahah bought all heavy water in Jita, relisted it at 39 ISK and sold it instantly !
Max Flipper Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2011.11.07 16:57:00 - [8] - Quote Lauren Hellfury wrote: Fuel costs for towers is going up with the winter expansion. Increases vary from no change on Robotics through to 4x on liquid ozone/heavy water/coolant. Racial topes are approximately 3.5x Get to it minions. You are aware that the Materials listed are required to build four Pallets? The really noteworthy increases will be in LO/Heavy Water since they based the cost on a fully utilized Tower.
Claire Voyant 13	Posted - 2011.11.07 17:58:00 - [9] - Quote OP's math sucks and who in hell doesn't use all their grid and CPU? What has happened to MD? I swear when they moved the forum they took all your brains and gave them to zombies. Edit: Excuse me, I need to go sell to some idiots.
Cyniac Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance 34	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:21:00 - [10] - Quote Claire Voyant wrote: OP's math sucks and who in hell doesn't use all their grid and CPU? What has happened to MD? I swear when they moved the forum they took all your brains and gave them to zombies. This has popped up everywhere it's hilarious... The eagerness to manipulate markets gets the better of some of us sometimes EDIT: Lauren, you should go back to the dark haired look you know... would stop you from having blonde moments like this one!
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro. 11	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:25:00 - [11] - Quote What? You can still read it? But I used tippex and everything!
Claire Voyant 13	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:40:00 - [12] - Quote Lauren Hellfury wrote: What? You can still read it? But I used tippex and everything! LOL, Whiteout on the screen for all us Americans.
Brock Nelson 36	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:43:00 - [13] - Quote Katareena Starfire wrote: Maybe I am using that southern U.S. math again, but it looks to me like fuel costs are lower (except maybe HW and LO depending on your setup). Larges now take 5 less oxygen, 1 less mech part, and 50 less isotopes per hour. I give this a thumbs up! Also, smalls and mediums use 1/4 and 1/2 a robotic per hour, respectively, which will significantly reduce the fuel costs on running them. Kat Not everyone uses up all of their CPU and Powergrid Also, someone in SCC Lounge suggested that there's no point in trying to conserve your CPU/Power, might as well max it out once the new system kicks in
Claire Voyant 13	Posted - 2011.11.07 19:10:00 - [14] - Quote Brock Nelson wrote: Not everyone uses up all of their CPU and Powergrid Also, someone in SCC Lounge suggested that there's no point in trying to conserve your CPU/Power, might as well max it out once the new system kicks in But on Signatures we pointed out that you would be stupid not to max out your CPU for EWAR under the old system given the cheapness of heavy water, if only to deter random wardecs. Why can't we all just get along? Why do we have to have two different chats?
Brock Nelson 36	Posted - 2011.11.07 19:14:00 - [15] - Quote Claire Voyant wrote: Brock Nelson wrote: Not everyone uses up all of their CPU and Powergrid Also, someone in SCC Lounge suggested that there's no point in trying to conserve your CPU/Power, might as well max it out once the new system kicks in But on Signatures we pointed out that you would be stupid not to max out your CPU for EWAR under the old system given the cheapness of heavy water, if only to deter random wardecs. Why can't we all just get along? Why do we have to have two different chats? Because as Qube have pointed out many times, it's hard enough for Canadians to keep up with 2 things (chat) at a time
flakeys The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition 35	Posted - 2011.11.07 19:20:00 - [16] - Quote Claire Voyant wrote: Why can't we all just get along? Why do we have to have two different chats? Not like 99.99% of signature hangs in scc. If kithran opened scc it would be a full 100% :)
Rek Esket GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 19:50:00 - [17] - Quote The requirements to operate most towers goes DOWN by quite a bit. POS Fuel Changes (OLD -> NEW) [NO SOV] Coolant:8 -> 8 Mech Parts: 5 -> 4 Oxygen: 25 -> 20 Robotics: 1 -> 1 Enr. Uranium: 4 -> 4 Isotopes: 450 -> 400 POS Fuel Changes (OLD -> NEW) [SOV] Coolant: 6 -> 6 Mech Parts: 4 -> 3 Oxygen: 19 -> 15 Robotics: 1 -> 0.75 Enr. Uranium: 3 -> 3 Isotopes: 338 -> 300 Basically people are dumb and can't read.
Brock Nelson 36	Posted - 2011.11.07 19:56:00 - [18] - Quote How about Ozone and Water? Basically goons are dumb and can't read.
Rek Esket GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 20:01:00 - [19] - Quote Brock Nelson wrote: How about Ozone and Water? The poster of this thread wasn't talking about liquid ozone or heavy water, but to speculate it wouldn't be bad to invest in either at this point.
Tasko Pal Spallated Garniferous Schist 14	Posted - 2011.11.07 20:04:00 - [20] - Quote Claire Voyant wrote: OP's math sucks and who in hell doesn't use all their grid and CPU? What has happened to MD? I swear when they moved the forum they took all your brains and gave them to zombies. Edit: Excuse me, I need to go sell to some idiots. You mean there's a market manipulator using impure math in my MD? And the way that math just happens to suck generates profit for them? OH THE HUMANITY!! As an aside, I think the new fuel block system is probably the single biggest change in the expansion. It effectively increases the cost of running a faction POS by a considerable amount. I foresee these dropping a lot in price as a result. Also, I see yet more increase in the cost of R&D stuff (copying, BPO research, invention), because that's more often done in high sec and faction towers are more prevalent.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro. 12	Posted - 2011.11.07 20:07:00 - [21] - Quote Yes, nowhere in the OP did I mention Heavy Water or Liquid Ozone. Also, no-one likes Easter eggs?
Brock Nelson 36	Posted - 2011.11.07 20:13:00 - [22] - Quote Because Ozone and Water isn't POS Fuel
Claire Voyant 13	Posted - 2011.11.07 20:29:00 - [23] - Quote Brock Nelson wrote: Because Ozone and Water isn't POS Fuel If I ever have some nits to pick, I will definitely call on you.
Zarak1 Kenpach1 Aperture Harmonics K162 7	Posted - 2011.11.07 22:31:00 - [24] - Quote ozone and water are in fact going to to go up because now every tower in game will consume somewhere near its maximum possible intake per cycle no matter what you run on it so, if you had a tower that has just an SMA, corp hangar and a **** ton of guns, you are now using somewhere from 30x to 1000x more heavy water. vice versa for indy towers that run heavy cpu loads and light PG. prices on these ice products are going to skyrocket due to the exponential growth in demand for them and a supply that will not be able to keep up.
Claire Voyant 13	Posted - 2011.11.07 22:40:00 - [25] - Quote Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote: prices on these ice products are going to skyrocket due to the exponential growth in demand for them and a supply that will not be able to keep up. To the moon, Alice, to the moon! BTW, I have about a billion units of heavy water I would like to unload.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 303	Posted - 2011.11.07 23:04:00 - [26] - Quote There was already a surplus of heavy water on the market (otherwise it wouldn't have been around 20 ISK/u). A bit less Liquid Ozone. But for a large tower, both of those combined was only 10% of the running cost of a tower per month (about 36M in total for a full PG/CPU load). So even if prices on them double, the cost of a tower only goes up 10%. Overall, POS fuel costs are going to go down slightly (about 8% down for a large tower that previously used all of its CPU/PG). Small towers gained the most with a 20-30% reduction in operating costs. So again, even if fuel costs go up slightly, it ends up as a wash except that small towers will still end up cheaper. (My bet for Jan 2011 is that a large tower will run about 400M/mo for fuel, maybe 450M/mo - which would be up from the traditional 300-350M/mo cost.)
Zarak1 Kenpach1 Aperture Harmonics K162 7	Posted - 2011.11.07 23:09:00 - [27] - Quote lol, there WAS a surplus in heavy water. look at the markets in most regions right now.
Claire Voyant 16	Posted - 2011.11.08 00:20:00 - [28] - Quote Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote: lol, there WAS a surplus in heavy water. look at the markets in most regions right now. It will be back in spades. It will take more than fuel blocks to rebalance heavy water. There is twice as much in ice than liquid ozone yet liquid ozone is also used for cynos. Heavy water has been the waste product of ice processing for so long that nothing short of a huge new demand will give it enough love to flush out all those stocks. People always jump on the heavy water bandwagon thinking the downside is minimal, but it will be 20 isk per unit again soon.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 136	Posted - 2011.11.08 03:36:00 - [29] - Quote You guys are forgetting that faction towers just got a 25% increase in fuel usage. Additional increase in demand. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 308	Posted - 2011.11.08 03:43:00 - [30] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: You guys are forgetting that faction towers just got a 25% increase in fuel usage. Additional increase in demand. I don't see that change sticking. If they switch to a more granular fuel pellet (1/100th the proposed size, change consumption to match) then they can easily give back the fuel savings of Faction/Sov.

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