It will be back in spades. It will take more than fuel blocks to rebalance heavy water. There is twice as much in ice than liquid ozone yet liquid ozone is also used for cynos. Heavy water has been the waste product of ice processing for so long that nothing short of a huge new demand will give it enough love to flush out all those stocks. People always jump on the heavy water bandwagon thinking the downside is minimal, but it will be 20 isk per unit again soon.

Fuel costs for towers is going up with the winter expansion.

Increases vary from no change on Robotics through to 4x on liquid ozone/heavy water/coolant.

Racial topes are approximately 3.5x


Get to it minions.

Hey in the mean time, lets blow our stock and help it back to 20 :)

You first! Then I'll put mine on and undercut you a bit, and we can have a 0.01 ISK war all the way back down to 20.

(The main reason that there's so much 5x / 10x / 20x price increases at the moment is because HW was only 20 ISK/u, you could easily buy up a few million units for not much capital outlay, then relist it. For the same reason, nobody has bothered to do the same to Liquid Ozone, where demand really is likely to go up in hi-sec...)

Did i hear someone say "Buy my LO!"

HW was pretty much priced at the "Barely worth to haul it" level. Only if the Patch causes a substantial change in the ratio between Topes/LO/HW needed we will see a big increase in Price there (at least thats my Bet).

But don't let that stop you from profiting from the "OMG THEY ARE CHANGING SOMETHING" Panic

~For the unbelievers~

• Highsec Ice Contains about twice as much LO as it does HW.
• The fuel Pallets will use the Same amount of LO as they do HW.
• LO is also used for Cyno Fields
• HW is used for the Industrial Mode of Rorquals iirc
• LO is used in Jumpbridges

HW should still be available in abundance with Topes/LO beeing the Bottlenecks unless Rorquals start popping up everywhere or other Changes are made which we are not aware of yet.

Highsec Ice Contains about twice as much LO as it does HW.

Oh well, I suppose I can sit on it and hope prices go up again....

Well, I got way too excited. Bought up some 2 mil in heavy water, but my enthusiasm started a run; now there's sell orders just slightly above what I bought it for.

Oh well, I suppose I can sit on it and hope prices go up again....

Im predicting we can get LO above 480 within the next 2/3 weeks

its allready over 480 lol - was at 550 spike yesterday
1200 gonna be the target when winter expasion hits eve and all start produce pellets ^^

Unlikely, unless every ice belt in all of EVE gets interdicted for 3+ months (500-600 probably).

Heavy water is already heading down below 180 in Sinq Laison and as low as 60-65 in Jita.

You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW. However the vast majority of LO is consumed by Cynos, jump bridges and bridging fleets in using BlOps and Titans. That is why LO is so much more expensive in comparison.

Yes, there will be an upswing when the pellet BPOs are released as it more than doubles the amount of LO being consumed for POS operation (maybe trippled) but that is only a small fraction of the market for LO in the first place. This upswing will then correct itself as soon as the fuel changeover occurs as the need for LO to fuel current towers as well as supply the new pellets will be removed.

You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW. However the vast majority of LO is consumed by Cynos, jump bridges and bridging fleets in using BlOps and Titans. That is why LO is so much more expensive in comparison.

Wrong. Hisec ice doesn't produce enough ozone to meet demand even for towers, let alone cynos. 25 ozone per 300 topes is 8.33%. Current fuel requirements are somewhere between 16.6% (at half power) to 33.3%. The new fuel reqs will be 37.5%.

Therefore, the current market price of ozone has always been set and will continue to be set by lowsec and nullsec (glare crust) ice mining. Higher demand will certainly mean higher prices, but trying to tie the price of ozone to heavy water or whatever argument you were making is heading down the wrong path.

[quote=Lauren Hellfury]

Because the new Pallets don't need LO

Wrong. Hisec ice doesn't produce enough ozone to meet demand even for towers, let alone cynos. 25 ozone per 300 topes is 8.33%. Current fuel requirements are somewhere between 16.6% (at half power) to 33.3%. The new fuel reqs will be 37.5%.

Therefore, the current market price of ozone has always been set and will continue to be set by lowsec and nullsec (glare crust) ice mining. Higher demand will certainly mean higher prices, but trying to tie the price of ozone to heavy water or whatever argument you were making is heading down the wrong path.

You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW.