Playing Eve by the rules makes you a sociopath, just as playing chess makes you a murderer. It all makes perfect sense.

The inability to accept this and compensate for it speaks ultimately to a certain level of intellectual bankruptcy; an inability to accept that there are a million and one games out there where such gripes would be welcomed and accepted and even acted upon, whereas here they are seen as challenges to a long-established and well-loved status quo.

s here they are seen as challenges to a long-established and well-loved status quo.

It's pure crazy to me, people jump on me when I tell people like this that the problem isn't EVE it's them, but that's just how I see it.

This game would be dead if it weren't for high-sec.

Everyone is subject to their own perspective, but often these perspectives do not take into account stark realities. As we have seen in this thread, there is a genuine (yes, genuine) section of EVE's player base that are (and have always been) unhappy with what they perceive to be the "exploitability" of this game's most basic principle, which is that there is no such thing as a "safe" environment other than being in a station and doing literally nothing. A friend lost a nice, fat mission ship last night. Did he cry about it? No. He got ganked. **** happens. That's EVE. Piracy, double-crossing, lying, murder, it's all par for the course here. And yet, we still have all these people pretending that they're playing a different game which is somehow broken. Crushing people isn't just made possible by the game's mechanics, rather, it is (to a degree) encouraged. And those who are victimized are likewise encouraged to compensate.


If this is the best you've got, I'd check out now.

Is that the best you've got?

I think what people miss is the fact that Cosmos missions unlike anything else in the game can not be repeated, sure you get your pvp ship blown..get a new one, lost the mining barge to a gank..get a new one, speculated badly on the market..ahh well better luck next week...even corp hanger got stolen by spies and your broke..np a couple of weeks work and your back in the isk.

However Cosmos mission drop stolen...hard luck you never get to repeat that mission and while your at it have a standings hit. No other effect ingame prevents you repeating something except having your mission drop stolen in Cosmos if you can't recover it or get it respawned, not everyone has 500 million isk to buy it from contracts.

They actually think this is a game where sheep are meant to be lined up to slaughter for them at the click of a button.

Being so ridiculous, how could anyone take you seriously? Begone, worm.

These narrow minded clowns can't see any other perspective than their own. They actually think this is a game where disadvantaged sheep are meant to be lined up to slaughter for them at the click of a button.

Oh I agree and was in fact being sarcastic. (In case you missed it.)

I too find it utterly ridiculous that people call those playing a game as it was designed to be played, "sociopaths".
I'm glad you agree.

no, i got what you were trying to do.

try harder next time.

I think what people miss is the fact that Cosmos missions unlike anything else in the game can not be repeated, sure you get your pvp ship blown..get a new one, lost the mining barge to a gank..get a new one, speculated badly on the market..ahh well better luck next week...even corp hanger got stolen by spies and your broke..np a couple of weeks work and your back in the isk.

However Cosmos mission drop stolen...hard luck you never get to repeat that mission and while your at it have a standings hit. No other effect ingame prevents you repeating something except having your mission drop stolen in Cosmos if you can't recover it or get it respawned, not everyone has 500 million isk to buy it from contracts.

Sorry it was and you agreed, thanks.

Saying people are sociopaths in Eve, is as ridiculous as calling chess players murderers. You are quite correct.

Ahh you have to understand them, they are very simple creatures the pew pew brigade.

PVP v PVP, one side gets advantage from clever tactics they call it a Exploit.

PVE v PVP, the PVE side gains an advantage from clever tactics they call for a nerf followed by CCP catering to carebears ect.

PVP v PVE, some guy gains an advantage from clever tactics its a feature and working as intended..look at the carebear tears.

PVP v PVP, one side gets advantage from clever tactics they call it a Exploit

The one time nature of the mission doesn't matter at all. I've had people still my loot from a low sec minmatar COSMOS plex (I saw the probes, I gambled on being able to finish before they got to me, I lost). All a part of the game.

No where does EVE online promise that you won't lose big (and forever). The cost of a potential ONE BILLION isk COSMOS pay out in high sec is and should be the chance of having your loot stolen.

Your lack of understanding is showing.

PvP theorycrafting in EVE is entirely based on the premise that new fleet concepts are constantly being developed, and those new concepts are thereafter challenged by other concepts designed specifically to counter them.

This is how 10 years of PvP has been conducted in EVE.

And please, pray tell, regale me with the vast creativity involved in running missions and hauling.

half this board is made of whine posts by aliiances about pvp and pvp mechanics.

Way to confuse "some eve players are sociopaths" with "playing eve makes you a sociopath".

Thanks for the bumps, I can correct morons all day.

That's just a dodge. I'm not a pvp'r, I shoot red crosses for fun (even if that makes me weird). I 'pvp' by not letting people pvp me lol.

And As an EVE PVE player I accept that realities of the game, unlike some who post here because a better player with a royal name outplayed them.

The reason for the harsh response to the OP isn't pvp vs pve, it's real eve player vs the "I lost at the game so the solution is to cry foul on the forums and get CCP to legislate victory for me" type player.

how is scanning down a deadspace site in high sec outplaying someone?

Your big on this risk versus reward thingy, so your rational is the bigger the reward the bigger the risk. However that does not apply to eve as you can sit in a station and play the market and make billions, whats your solution for that or do you have one?

Also by your own post..low sec cosmos mission..you could at least have shot the looter without repercussions, the mission that's been discussed is a 0.5 system.

Outplayed them..are you for real? how is scanning down a deadspace site in high sec outplaying someone? if thats considered skill then the caliber of players in eve has diminished in recent years.

Outplayed them..are you for real? how is scanning down a deadspace site in high sec outplaying someone? if thats considered skill then the caliber of players in eve has diminished in recent years.

Not really, its mostly just vocal sociopaths and angry teenagers and man-children who are trying to defend the zero risk easy gameplay that they have over the years eventually been attracted to and grown accustomed to. they have no lives and are ever present on the forums. Oh, Hi

I used to play Darkfall, a full loot game with no safety zones and that actually required player skills and tactical use of terrain. EVE is pretty casual in terms of full loot pvp games, and its got the lowest player skill ceiling of any multiplayer game i've ever played, they even limit your character progression to be based on a timer. This game would be nearly dead if it weren't for high-sec.

No solution needed, the station trader is risking isk.



So you don't magically lose sec status for shooting people in low sec anymore? You can do the same in high sec when someone goes suspect.

my rationale isn't just risk/reward, it's good sense, stealing is as much a part of EVE as warping, with out it and the risk of it, we wouldn't have EVE. EVE is supposed to be harsh. I accept that harshness and understand it's not just good for the game, it's good for my game experience. Thwarting someone else's attempt to screw me over is fun.

Seems to me you just have a chip on your shoulder about people making Isk from anything in high sec.